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[–]Endorsed Contributor3030303030303040 points41 points42 points 10 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Heh, good play with "undelete'ing" deleted sms's. Before it was only a kiss, after she confessed they fucked.
Let it be a lesson to you guys. If you don't have a hard evidence at hand woman will bullshit to the end, she will hit you, call you insecure looser, she will cry but she will stick to tame version of what happened. Now you show her the evidence, e-mail, sms or just bluff like OP and suddenly, ok, we fucked. Lovely fiancee, kudos to him, dodged a huge bullet.
Just remember, they will lie until proven guilty. In my experience it's always like that.
[–]JohnPeel11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What I've learned is that they're not actually lying for the purposes of fooling you... but they're lying to themselves. If they actually had to admit they were a terrible person, the guilt would consume them.
In that regards it makes more sense as to why they do it. They will do anything to make you appear to be the bad guy. In the case that they do actually accept they are wrong, they'll then try and make out that your worse in some superficial way.
I think it's a societal problem in all honesty. My sister was very much like that but after my mother and father instilled some confidence in her and made her own up to her own mistakes she became a much better person and it's really helping her get started in life.
[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
yup. better to be the guy fucking the fiance than the fiance watching his girl get fucked.
don't ever trust a woman with anything. ever.
[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Indeed. People will call us "bitter men" but guess what? The real case is just that I'm not playing along and deluding myself. Now that I've been in an "alpha fucks, beta bucks" situation as the "alpha", a couple times, there's nothing to be bitter about. You can claim there's some unicorn woman around and best of luck trying to find her - but most women can and will cheat if they evaluate a better man as an option.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
we taste bitter, that's for sure. no one likes hearing truth
[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good point. Didn't realize there was another way to look at those words until you said it.
[–]braveathee0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
most women can and will cheat if they evaluate a better man as an option
Do that bother you ? It doesn't bother me at all. This is a very rational behaviour no matter the gender.
[–]luxury_banana1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Of course it doesn't bother him because he doesn't put himself in the position where it can cause any real damage to him.
[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup. I'm not bothered at all.
[–]chowder1383 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty harsh but I'm having a hard time disagreeing with you.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I do. Still hasn't been a problem.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I trust them to be women, and I have not been let down. So there's that.
[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro[S] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
good play
The bells were literally tolling for this sukka; more like a hail-mary touchdown.
[–]Hormander18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She claimed they just made out...on his bed...I called BS...and eventually she admitted to having sex with the guy.
When almost found guilty, women will always soften the truth. If she said she just exchanged emails with a guy, she probably made out with him. If she said she just kissed him, she probably fucked him. If she directly admits she fucked him... you don't even want to know what she did.
Their hamster spins really fast. Never forget that.
[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When almost found guilty, women will always soften the truth.
NOt necessarily women. My roommate had been fucking girls on the side of his marriage for a while now. We're overseas and she finally flew home to see him (after he cleaned the shit out of his room and such). Well she found condoms. The truth is that he'd been fucking 3-4 girls in a true plate-spinning fashion. What did he tell her? It was one girl.
It's completely logical to only accept guilt for as little as what's proved and be done with it. Why get yourself in more shit if you don't have to?
[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Not all women are like that! Just find a good girl!
Until that good girl pulls the same shit as the last one. Then the next does the same.
You have no clue what her hypergamy circuit will make her do, but typically it involves deceit. Not only that, but it's worse. Once you are evaluated lower to her new partner, she will likely try to use you in some fashion. You have no mating value you to her - new guy is alpha, you are beta (relative evaluation).
So not only does she have no feelings for you and cheated on you, she would have continued this ruse to extract resources, attention, and validation while also trying to make sure this new guy is locked in. She might try to use you as a fall back after the point of break up, as it is a gamble to swing branches, especially the less time she's had in securing the new partner.
This is what passes as a relationship, but it's only serving the feminine imperative.
Therefore, see multiple women. Serve your imperative. It doesn't detract from you in any way, shape, or form. Your masculine circuit is not hypergamy - commitment is something women should be trying to secure from you, not the other way around.
Culture successfully convinced men to cater right toward female desires and look at what happens. Women get their form of the relationship and, since they are the selective gender, they can and will switch out, often in a clearly selfish and deceptive manner.
There's an easy fix. Stop giving women everything they demand and start going after what you want for yourself. Don't invest in just one woman. See more! What's stopping you? It's against the rules? Whose? Which gender honestly struggles with having multiple partners (on average)?
Women do. They only want one, the best they can get. Sex is just a bargaining chip/trade/bait otherwse. But if she wants to secure genes, her real desires are going to be for a particular guy at a given period of time.
Men are just not like that, but we've been told the feminine way is the way of doing things.
To that, I say: No thanks.
[–]TehGinjaNinja3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
This wasn't a product of hypergamy. She didn't cheat on him because the new guy was more alpha than he was. She cheated on him because she wasn't getting enough attention (long distance relationship). That's more akin to branch swinging.
[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'd still say it's related to hypergamy. I've had girls pay for my plane ticket to see them, as well as another drive through a horrible snow storm to pick me up - if you're really high enough value to her, she'll do anything to see you and get fucked senseless.
This guy wasn't terribly valuable to her and she saw enough valuable men around her to go for them. She saw use in keeping him around so she tried manipulation but he called her bluff.
[–]Sword115 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me too, twice infact. Also had a girl I met in an airport fly out to see me on her dime.
This was hypergamy
[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
LDR-boyfriend = computer and smartphone telling you how sexy you are and how much he misses you. NOt much different than any other beta orbiter on facebook.
A well-dressed flesh-and-blood guy with decent game will trump that anyday.
[–]braveathee1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Which gender honestly struggles with having multiple partners (on average)? Women do. They only want one
Which gender honestly struggles with having multiple partners (on average)?
Women do. They only want one
What is TRP's evidence for that ?
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As if there were any doubt.
[–]TehGinjaNinja-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
From the glossary:
Blue Pill – From The Matrix and its sequels. The path of conformity with Society’s expectations; the state of being unaware of the problems engendered by society.
In what way was this an example of Blue Pill behavior or thought? Yes, it's an example of a woman behaving badly, but the Blue Pill is about conformity and accepting the illusions society throws at us to encourage conformity. How does that apply in this case?
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