Saw a skinny short guy make me reconsider my whole mindset on game

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I work with this guy and girl. The girl is just fawned at all day. See some pathetic shit go down when guys try going after her, they literally follow her around talking to her while she looks like she doesn't give a fuck. But what surprised me was this other coworker who is significantly shorter and skinnier than most guys there just totally showed me how it's done. The dude truly did not give a fuck about her or what she thought. I observed his interactions with her. He lead her around, telling her what to do, wasn't seeking her approval, generally didn't give a shit, wasn't being the nice guy, and wasn't acting like the genders are equal but he was being funny. Fuckin blew my mind how this short skinny guy could do all that, and she just went along with it. There are dudes that I work with that are 200+ 6'5" that couldn't do what this guy did. They'd treat'em all nice and sweet and give so many fucks. Really made me re-think my whole approach. It aint all about looks/height, but really just the way you talk and carry yourself. The guy was brimming with confidence. I just don't get how he makes it seem so effortless while I could never say or do the things he did.

Why the hell are people so different like this? One can be short/skinny but be masculine, be leading while the other can be big/tall but be feminine, can't lead or look a girl in the eyes. Seems like it should be the opposite but some people just aren't social and it kills game.

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Title Saw a skinny short guy make me reconsider my whole mindset on game
Author resnine
Upvotes 59
Comments 114
Date 25 April 2019 02:12 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]olKoozii61 points62 points  (23 children) | Copy

Sounds like the skinny short guy woke up while the majority of others haven’t.

I’ve seen dozens of guys get put down by shorter, physically weaker men. Just like I’ve seen these dudes pull more chicks than the guys who “look chad”.

This is reality everywhere, your looks do not define your inner game.

[–]resnine[S] 13 points14 points  (22 children) | Copy

What I've noticed many times is that Chad doesn't always look like Chad. He isn't always tall and muscular. Chad can be a short skinny dude whose game and social skills set him far past the other guys.

[–]SOLODOLOGUY21 points22 points  (13 children) | Copy

You have definition of Chad wrong.

Chad is mostly a guy that is handsome, taller then average male(6 foot or taller) and muscular.

The guy you are describing isn’t a chad, he’s just W O K E. However, being a Chad doesn’t always mean you’ll fuck girls. Inner game is important and that dude knows what he’s doing.

[–]resnine[S] 13 points14 points  (9 children) | Copy

Chad is an essence quality. It's not an actual human being. It's like a character. I think anyone can invoke it. You can look like your stereotypical Chad and be an incel. And you can look like this short skinny guy and be slaying because you have the Game down. Being Chad isn't looks or height just like the alpha isn't the strongest or most good looking, he was the one that good garner the most social following, the leader.

[–]asktrp443312 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

To get all weird and philosophical here, Chad is basically the masculine divine.

He's not a man but a form. Some men can embody him to the point it's almost indistinguishable from the form (think the tall, good looking guy with a DGAF attitude who's also ripped as fuck and drives a sports car). However, none can embody this form perfectly, and learning this can cause some kind of psychological break in guys who have trouble getting laid - they turn to shit like MGTOW, lookism, incel forums, and other autistic shit to justify the fact that not everyone - especially not them - can ever perfectly embody Chad. Post-industrial society has made this even harder since it enables men who are not strong to have monetary success and outsource their survival needs. Before you either needed to be strong(hunter), smart(farmer), or a combination of the two to even live.

In short, we're all Chad and at the same time nobody is. The people who obsess over Chad just drive themselves crazy.

[–]resnine[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The ones who are actually Chad I doubt spend time thinking about Chad. It's just their natural state. Then again, I know there are Chads who had to create it within themselves, generally what these forums are all about. Understanding and cultivating Chad within ourselves.

[–]TheZippy491 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Looks still play a massive role. A good looking man with game will beat all others.

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah if he's good looking and has game, he will beat an average looking guy with game.

[–]Atheist_Utopia1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

No, it's both looking dominant and being dominant. 6'4, muscular, and with game.

[–]Idontgetitboyz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most here do not understand that and they wonder why just looks won't compensate for their lack of escalation.

[–]blackswan2whiteswan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So, invoke the Gods of chadom, not the Gods of inceldom in everything you do

[–]SOLODOLOGUY-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don’t know man? I just thought chad was a handsome, tall, and muscular guy lol 😂

[–]resnine[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've known Chads in various shapes, colors, and sizes. Chad doesn't fit into a neat box. It's a whole lot of social qualities. I think the physically goes with it generally because, the taller, more muscular, and more good looking a guy is the better his social skills will be because he gets so much positive reinforcement everywhere he goes. So gaming is set to easy mode. But that's not always the case.

[–]1redhawkes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


Chad is an archetype of masculine traits, not the incel wet dream you want to believe.

[–]GirlsAreReallyFeline1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The way I see it, Chad is the looks and Thundercock is the mindset. Chad and thundercock are both, highly effective on their own; but they compliment each other when combined.

That guy you described seems Thundercock.

[–]resnine[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Totally agree with this 100%.

There is the physical aspect of Chad and the mental aspect of Chad. The guy who has both is what we often see in our minds. But the guy who has (like you said) the Thundercock mindset can be short/skinny and still slay.

Someone else here called it Big Dick Energy.

[–]xoxuv0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Chad is an incel term.

Male personality is 90% of what women want. And the rest is not really looks.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Male personality is 90% of what women want.

If only the rest of the sub understood this.

[–]bigboxguy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This is textbook blue pill thinking

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What I said or OP?

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So masculinity

[–]bigboxguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can’t even get a women engaging in you if you aren’t decent looking in her eyes

[–]Vikingcel23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy

But did he fuck her

[–]iwviw4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy


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[–]GratificationDelayed16 points17 points  (8 children) | Copy

He prolly thinks she wouldn't be into him no matter what he did so no fucks given. Still impressive tho

[–]resnine[S] 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

It's a possibility. But she was following his every order. "Do this" "Do that", and she just followed him everywhere he went. Fucking bizarre, when the picture you have of Chad is just demolished. Meanwhile the guy a hundred feet over is 6'5" 200+ and is shy and unconfident af.

[–]null_isomers4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm confused. Isn't she at work? So I'm assuming if he's telling her what to do, then it is her job to do what he says. Am I mistaken?

[–]resnine[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

They were working together on the same project, but he just took the lead in the situation.

[–]GratificationDelayed2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow he must be the first dude w balls big enough to talk to her like that and she loved it. Very inspiring lol

[–]Roid962 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't understand the big deal here? He's her coworker and he's just being friendly and cool with her and you think she's all over him for "following him" ? Did she showed signs of IOI? Did they went on a date or something? That doesn't sound like game at all.

[–]jm512 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

<the guy a hundred feet over is 6'5" 200+ and is shy and unconfident af.

To woman, that guy can be perceived as dangerous. Women have plenty of stories about a 'nice guy' that turned bandit when he got rejected. Bigger the guy, the bigger the (perceived) danger.

With a confident guy, she knows that he can handle rejection and won't give her any stalker type problems as he will simply move on.

[–]resnine[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I could see this she looked like she felt safe but then still giving the short-guy a little pushback/resistance.

It's all about trust/comfort building. When a guy is telling her what to do (aka leading), she feels her safest and secure. She is able to ease into the feminine and not worry. Leading her is paramount to building attraction. She knows she has someone that can handle/deal with every situation at hand. The bigger guy just looks uncertain and wouldn't know how to handle/deal with any of the curveballs life throws at him. It's wild, short/skinny dude just seemed to have his mental game on point, tall/big guy looks worrisome 24/7.

[–]NightTripInsights1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude they are just at work, y'know gettin work done. Sorry you work with so many simps that seeing an actual man try to work with a hottie instead of just drooling and following her around makes you think he has game.

Without going into specifics, what kind of work/industry are you guys in? Sounds bluepilled as shit if a man prioritizing his work over the idea of potential workplace pussy is so rare it becomes a revelation for you

[–]DramaticGolf 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

hi, short skinny ethnic guy here who does pretty well with girls in person. You ever been so out matched in life that you no longer take it seriously and just see it as one big fucking joke? Like imagine if I was on the bachelorette with 19 other 6'5 jacked white guys named Chris and we were all vying for Jessica's approval. In no possible fucking world would a 5'5 asian guy like me have a chance at out muscling, out heighting or out race-ing the other guys. I'd be in the kitchen most of the day getting drunk and making stacks of pancakes at 2pm.

If I were to have a one on one with Jessica i'd fucking talk about whatever the fuck I wanted to talk about while still being a friendly nice guy. Again not in a selfish "well if SHE wont like me i'll just be a dick and talk about what i want!", rather "welp she dont even know me and she might fucking think i'm gross, imma just be completely myself and if she doesnt like who that person is then her loss. womp wompp".

Ironically it's the guys who are 5'10 or 5'11 who take this shit way too seriously cause they're ALMOST 6ft so they think they have a chance at winning at the mating game. Meanwhile I'm just fucking partying and enjoying the shit outta my life. In the end, it just works.

[–]Hambone_Malone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (10 children) | Copy

Congratulations. You have now discovered that game trumps everything. The rest of what we teach is really to be a crutch to learning game. You can be a fucking loser but if you spit game well panties will get moist.

[–]iwviw3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agree. I’ve known diesel millionaires with no game who couldn’t game chicks... and I’ve met broke bois probably 30 still living with mom getting girls left and right. At the end it comes down to, like learning any skill, going out there and learning with experience. If you go out there and day game and night game and learn and grow and get comfortable and get good at talking to women and knowing what they want then that’s it you’ll be good. No muscles, big money, expensive clothes needed. Just game. Have you ever read “the game”? Dude is a skinny nerdy type but just learned game by going out there and getting in front of women and learning

[–]bigboxguy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Game doesn’t do anything if you’re ugly

[–]StopGaming12341 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Looks trump everything, but game is important to close.

[–]bigboxguy0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Looks = initial attraction and engaging conversation

Confidence/game = hooking up

You can’t have confidence/game without decent looks or else you’ll be seen as a creep

Looks > everything else combined

[–]StopGaming12341 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Looks > everything else combined

Exactly. The better the whole package, the easier it is.

[–]bigboxguy1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Finally someone on here gets it. You don’t even have opportunities nowadays with women without being attractive especially where I live.

[–]StopGaming12341 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Someone told that looks make up to 5% max. and that I am an unexperienced guy in my twenties if I think otherwise.. What has this sub become.

[–]bigboxguy1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

They are coping. This one guy told me I’m dumb and that endorsed contributors are smart and have knowledge. So I should listen to what they say. Sorry but if you’re an endorser contributor on a Reddit sub you probably spend too much time on it and don’t have any practical knowledge.

If you’re decent looking and fit, you really don’t need to do much. Really just don’t be a pussy or weird.

[–]StopGaming12341 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I mean I experienced it first hand. When I was a fat pig no one would even look at me or acknowledge my existence. I had acne, horrible sloppy clothes and an insanely bad hair cut. Then I lost 45lbs, got my hair short on the sides and long in the middle, got perfectly fitting clothes and shoes and most importantly lost my acne.

The difference is NIGHT AND DAY. Not only will woman start checking you out, but you will gain much more friends. I was playing life on hardmode.

The sooner people realize that looks rule the world, the sooner they stop running against a wall and start acting instead of coping.

[–]bigboxguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I have friends who went through crazy transformations. My beta housemate literally pulls because of his face.

Girls rank the frats at our school based on how “facey” each chapter is. If that isn’t proof then idk what is.

Ask 100 girls on the street face or body and 99 will say face. But then again to trp face doesn’t matter. I’m assuming that’s why a ton of these guys get creepy labels and false allegations.

[–]_the_shape_3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

I know a guy who fits this description. About 5'6" and a scrawny 130 lbs with zero muscle definition, but gets ass left and right.

I worked with the guy for a bit, so I was able to get a closer look at not just how he does it, but where it potentially emanates from, and in his case, I believe he crosses the line of genuine confidence into the realm of deep-rooted psychological issues. I could speculate about it possibly being due to his short height and stature, maybe he got picked on a lot as a kid - who knows - but from early on I discerned a vaguely noticeable hint of malice and vindictiveness to go with his carefree, zero-fucks-given, witty, quirky character. Nearly everyone grew to love him fairly quickly, but myself and two other guys seemed to be the only ones who could see the dark side & royal asshole beneath the charm (sociopath maybe?) and every so often, he'd reveal just how far he was willing to push it and how sadistic he could get. Sometimes I'd wonder if he'd ever gotten his ass kicked, didn't care if he got his ass kicked, maybe even wanted to get his ass kicked with some of the shit that'd come out of his mouth from time to time. I digress.

I suppose the TL;DR is no, looks don't necessarily run the show, and yes, sometimes big 'things' (full-blown, borderline psychopathic IDGAF game) do come in small packages (guy with a small,weak, feminine stature), so to speak. Don't aim to become a dark triad animal now though. Remember: it's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

[–]resnine[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

where it potentially emanates from

I think all of us wonder about. Where does that point of origin come from? Is it parenting? Is it just innate? Did he cultivate it through some other means? I think if we had that answer a lot of our game would go up ten fold.

A lot of shorter guys do that have inferiority complex masking it with a superiority complex. Probably got shitted on his whole life and just decided he would never allow people to treat him like that ever again. Which is the opposite case for guys who are big/tall, probably never had that some sort of complex develop. I've know a lot of shorter guys who were able to pull dimes. That inferiority short-man complex can be a powerful thing when it comes to Game.

I know exactly what you mean by the dark-side, I've seen this with other short-men too. It seems like all fun & jokes but there is actually a lot of hate and rage in the inside. Like they have to put on this act for people to like them.

Sometimes I almost think no one would fight a short-skinny guy because that would just make the other person look like an asshole. Just like you'd never hit a woman, you'd never hit a man who was much shorter and physically weaker. It's almost like they use that against you. Like the shorter-skinnier guy could talk shit all day to that 6'5" 200+ guy and if he were to fight back it would just make him look like the aggressor, it's some sort of social dynamic that only shorter-skinnier guys can really pull off that's why no one really calls them out because they'd look like the aggressor. There is some weird sort of power short-skinny guys have.

[–]_the_shape_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think if we had that answer a lot of our game would go up ten fold.

Maybe, but some food for thought: of what value would it be to understand fully where someone's razor-sharp game came from if it's not implemented and put to action in real life?

Further, what if (like the case I mentioned above) it was revealed that this guy's nearly flawless game was borne from years and years of psychological lacerations and subsequent scarring; would anyone seriously attempt to deliberately experience all sorts of depraved and damaging experiences for the sake of learning how to appear as if they exude supreme confidence, when in reality, deep inside, they are (now) filled with hate for the world, hate for life, hate for themselves, even? Does the end really justify the means there?

It would make for an interesting case study, sure, but I'd say it's a far better investment of time and energy to get out there determined to figure it out than to slip into the 'lab-coat' and spend hours and hours squinting and pouring over data and evidence to try to unravel the mystery of some clearly damaged guy's impeccable game.

[–]resnine[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah that's a real issue around these parts because a lot of guys here just mentally masturbate about game and never actually implement any of it. Another problem is that just because you can read and understand it on paper, doesn't mean you can actually pull it off irl. It's why TRP preaches internalizing, implementing, practicing and learning... constantly refining your game (or the ways in which to get them into your bed, be it words or actions).

But also with that said, I think you can take elements from another persons personality/quirks and work them into your personality and try them on for size. If it works, hey great you found a new tool! if it doesn't, throw it out! So with the inquiring into this guy I refer to, I don't want to emulate him, rather I would hope to add to my collection of things that work. I think one can gain game from others without having to deal with the experience of say lacerations of scarring. It's a bit what trp is about. All in all, you have to make it your own.

[–]Roid960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Would be more interesting to tell the kind of girls these types of dudes get, what's the scale here?

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Treat'em rough to get the muff."

-From, The Sayings of Chairman Zaitzev

[–]juliusstreicher2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

When you say 'he was telling her what to do, it makes me think that he had some authority over her, which is better than 200 6'5". Plus, you didn't say how she reacted.

[–]resnine[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Nope, she's been there longer than him. They were working on the same project but he just look authority in the situation. No guy I've seen talk to her like that, and she responded well. Most guys just pedestal her and cater to her ever wish.

[–]Vikingcel2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Has she flirted with him? Has he fucked her?

Answer that before reaching the conclusion that game is all that matters.

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah I watched them fuck it was amazing.

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So, no, he has not. Until he does, it only proves women don't want responsibility.

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

See it's the difference between knowing what you want and being something. These guys, and a lot of guys, and girls, use tall, muscular etc as substitutes for masculinity, as masculinity in its fundamental sense is knowing what you want, knowing why you want it, going after it and getting it done. The most masculine thing you can do is be in control of yourself an for your world. This does mean for Beta cucks starting out that lifting is part of the process of being in control of yourself and operating at the highest level, don't substitute lifting for having a real personality though.

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's knowing what you are, instead of being what you are, if that makes sense. Some guys bank all of what they are on looks/height/muscles. Other guys (more successfully) put their KNOWING into who they are. Personality, charisma, charm, game, leading, this guy had that on point. He was focused on BEING something like muscular Chad, he knew what he was and showed it.

You're right, height/looks/muscles and any other thing that is not within your personality can be used a substitute. A lot of guys posts on here about how they look like Chad but then are incel. They think they can coast on height/looks alone and put no effort into their personality or game.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K182 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's not about the fuck'n outside. That's what dudes with no self awareness and internal growth do...put it all on the outside. Muscles, rely on their height etc.

Some guys have it naturally (but still may have other issues)...and some guys work on themselves, to a point where they literally don't give a fuck. However one gets there, is their path. Just stop CARING what others think. Which means you lose your emotional investment in what other people think. You can still be interested in what others think, can still listen to their opinions...but you don't CARE, you're not emotionally affected by opinions.

To get their, you need to start with self acceptance. Allowing the ego to truly accept all of you. If you don't accept will want acceptance from others. IDGAF attitude, in a healthy way, takes a lot of deep work.

[–]resnine[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Right, I know we get a post/question here every so often where a guy will say "I'm 6foot, make 6 figures, have a 6 pack but am incel, what gives?". They are banking everything on the physical. They think they can coast on their looks alone. If I have to choose between being the physical embodiment of Chad and the mental embodiment of Chad, I'd choose the mental aspect every time. I've seen more times than I can count the guy who isn't all that attractive be able to talk his way into a girls bedroom. And seen (by modern standards) a handsome guy fail hard with being able to pick up chicks. The mental part is paramount, Game is King.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K180 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yes. In a sense, it's not really 'game''s merely the inner attitude of a guy who gets how the world works...and is totally void of codependency and approval seeking.

There are plenty of big, muscle bound, good looking dudes who are scared of rejection, needy and want validation.

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

True. Game and social skills, sometimes I see them overlap. More Game being the ability to get them to want to sleep with you. Social skills is tied pretty strongly there. If a guy can't hold a conversation Game will be impossible, so clearly social skills comes first before any of the sexualization or being able to talk the talk to make the want to fuck you.

Totally void of codependency and approval seeking. I sometimes conflate these with just being a GOOD PERSON, I think I have some things backwards or mixed up sometimes. I try to be a GOOD PERSON and it often is caked with supplicating/pandering/qualifying, approval seeking and codependency.

I think putting labels and definitions to behaviors, habits, mentalities, and attitudes is a good starting point to addressing our problems. Because how can we address a problem without first understanding it. You talk a lot of different psychological concepts like codependecy and approval seeking as well as mentalities like DGAF, Abundance, and prize. Once we've established the woes that ill us and we get down to the nitty gritty of it all "the interaction" how does that generally go for you? Like you either introduce yourself or are introduced to her and then... what happens? You know what I mean? This is the part where I draw a blank, I understand my ills and the correct mentalities but doing and saying the right things at the right time, that's what has me freezing up.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes we mistake being a 'good person' with covert contracts. We're being 'good' because we want something in return. We think if we're 'good', someone will be good back to us.

For me, it's recognizing that when I am motivated by my wants and be direct about them, assertive.

We teach others how to treat us. We be really nice, and it can teach others that without them meeting our needs, we will still be all 'nice'.

It's finding the grey area and being direct with our wants and needs...and teaching others that we have boundaries and standards. If they don't meet them, we withdraw. We don't have to do that in spite, or resentment...we merely teach others that we are not a free fountain of 'goodwill'. 'Nice Guy' teaches others to treat you as the 'nice guy'.

I would ask you to be aware of when you have wants or needs from someone (women in Red Pill's case) direct and assertive are you? If you aren't, and fall into 'nice guy', why?

Also...what is better. A person who supplicates, panders, beats around the bush. OR someone who is honest, direct, clear? Not fucking someone around?

In terms of what to say, or how to approach a woman, nobody can give you the magic words or script. It's largely about attitude. 'Bang' by RooshV is one of the better books I've read on game.

I normally try to embody a real 'outcome independent' 'idgaf' attitude. Just low pressure. I try to open with something off-hand and indirect. It may be a comment on her style, or the environment, or a joke. If she's receptive...then I introduce myself, and ask her name. I tell her since I got her attention, let me find out if she's cool. I ask what her favourite thing is, what she does for fun (when not chatting up guys)...I sum her up...'So you're like *...and you like feeling *'.

I tease a little, like 'Ah, that's a damn shame. (why?) I only like blondes'.

Then I give her a nickname, and tell her I have to go, but we should have coffee sometime'.

I try to make the whole thing seem organic. Like my first comment/joke/whatever was all I intended...but I steer it into convo.

That's like a script, which I hate giving. It's more about attitude. Keep it easy, low pressure, outcome independent. I really don't mind if it goes nowhere.

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy

Its the biggest secret that so many refuses to believe but eventually wakes up to. Women work the opposite way of how men works. Men are attracted to physical looks we dont give a fuck about womens inner strenght. Women dont give a fuck about your looks and only care for your inner strenght/frame.

You think lifting is for women? WRONG. LIfting is ONLY for yourself to build that inner strenght. Some guys dont need lifting for it. Same with grooming yourself, dressing well. ALL that is for yourself because you feel better and more confident doing that, and that confidence is exactly what attracts women. I have a 45 year old friend, asian 5’6” who dresses like a homeless person plus his semi long hair and beard. He slays 20-25 year old pussy constantly. His current gf is a 23yo blonde hottie. Because he is so confident its almost autistic. He doesnt know what it feels like to be nervous.

[–]Atheist_Utopia2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

No, the truth is in the middle. Either black-or-white thinking gets you nowhere.

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

You'll figure it out for yourself eventually.

[–]Atheist_Utopia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey you were the no fap pheromone guy

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think so, inner strength and inner game is greater than physical strength or being tall.

I think I am too realistic, like I think if I am not making 6figures have a 6pack and have xyz skill than I am not worthy. Meanwhile the homeless short guy is able to pull dimes cause he has inner game beyond imagine.

[–]whateverbaszod0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Where does he meet those women ? I just always find it so hard to believe these

[–]StopGaming1234-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Eventually you realize that lifting, grooming, dressing well and all these other things are looks-maxing. They are not for solely for yourself.

The reality that many don't want to admit is that girls care just as much about looks as guys do.

Looks make up around ~70% while the rest is money, status, confidence etc.

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Oh god ive not seen a post that is so wrong on so many levels in a long time. Looks make up like 5% if even that. Youll understand this when you grow older as i assume youre still in your 20s if even that

[–]StopGaming12340 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Ridiculous haha. 5%? What kind of acid are you running mate.

[–]TheStumblingWolf1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy

If Patrice o'Neal could do it, nobody can use looks as an excuse.

[–]Hambone_Malone1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy

But Patrice was going after bigger ghetto black women. That was what he was into, and honestly, your game needs to be even tighter with those types of women. They will chew you up in an instant.

[–]NightTripInsights0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

Uh, his main girl was white, not fat/chubby and not ghetto.

[–]Hambone_Malone1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy

His wife? Vonde? She was light skinned black, maybe mixed. He said on multiple occasions on Black Phillip and O&A that his "type" is bigger ghetto black women with attitudes. Bro, I've been listening to Patrice for years and continue to listen to his old clips. I wish he was still here.

[–]NightTripInsights1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

Oh Patrice def loved teasing and training the divas, the second they start coming around to his ideas after fighting with him and him holding frame is always so perfect. Also, I checked Von' again and I guess the pic I saw of her before had some filter because she looked wayyy whiter in my memory haha

[–]Hambone_Malone1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

You should check out The Beige Phillip Show podcast. It's from his co-host on Black Phillip Dante Nero. It's will never be as good as Patrice, but Dante has some good insight.

[–]NightTripInsights1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

I like Dante too, didn't know about Beige Phillip show tho. I will definitely check it out, Dante seems a bit more smoother around the edges so to speak in comparison to Patrice when it comes to women which I'd like to learn because Dante seems to be able to get more raw positive emotions from women where they want to submit, rather than patrice where they learn they need to submit (even tho they might not necessarily like the idea in the beginning)

[–]Hambone_Malone0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Yeah, Dante is more chill. Check out his show. It's pretty good.

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

He broke frame several times on The Black Philiph Show, hope he got better with that.

[–]Hambone_Malone0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Are you telling me you never break frame sometimes? Are you some RP Rambo Robot? Also, you have to remember Black Phillip was 2005-6. There was no Red Pill or all this terminology and shit as far as I'm aware.

[–]resnine[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think he called them BEARS as I recall Lol

[–]Hambone_Malone0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

He did, it was Bears, Deers, and Bunnies. 😂

[–]resnine[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep it was bear, gotta go in there with a club when hunting bears.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't quite understand how this proves game, though. As it appears, it's simply a higher employ telling another what to do. Did this guy fuck her, or escalate to anything? She may have followed him around (which sounds like it's her job)...but where is the proof this lead to anything sexual?

[–]NightTripInsights0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly, this is just an example of how a man prioritizes his work ethic over shitting where he eats.

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You are right, this doesn't prove game. It's just more his interaction with her were much smoother than 99% of guys I work with. It made me realize how I use to think girls would shit on any guy that was short and skinny, but it's not true. If you are confident, have high self-esteem, and lead, she will follow. And she seemed hung up on him after some time. Like she was addicted to his bossy-type behavior. He was kinda being a dick but at the same time humorous. Wasn't her job, they were working on the same project, but he took the lead in the interaction.

[–]uniquan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

hey, I appreciate your observation and sharing it here

[–]NightTripInsights1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Imagine being so beta that upon seeing a man with self respect that doesn't fawn over women at work (don't shit where you eat) and actually gets mutual respect from a woman in the workplace you must immediately believe this guy has got game, despite no real escalation, context to believe he's gaming, or any conclusive evidence to believe attraction was built. Your female coworker was probably glad she was actually working with someone who isn't a drooling simp, just following her around all day. I'd bet this guy either has game or the capabilities to easliy learn and become pro at gaming, but all you described is a normal non ass kissing man at work with a hot chick working next to him.

[–]Retstortion4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

It’s called big dick energy.

Being tall or physically bigger doesn’t mean shit if your dick is small.

[–]TheMonsterofNikyTown6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Kek at actually believing this shit

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It aint all about looks/height

Of course it isn't, otherwise my N count would've been 50+ by now.

[–]jbpostv0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Pro tip: if you’re really into a girl, get over it. Don’t have oneitis but this HB8 has been staring at me for months and we met which basically forces me to make a move or hold peace now that we know each other. Now I start getting mad into her and don’t wanna fuck it up because I’ve never been eye fucked for so long by someone this sexy. Now she gets to see alpha me with my friends but she rolls around and I clam a bit. I need to mentally give up liking her or really come to terms with her being hot for me and accepting a good situation to operate here.

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yep, I tell you it's natural, feels hardwired to pedestal a woman. You see a HB8 and you're like "I wanna make that my wife/gf" "wanna have sex with that"… yep, I know that sounds autistic. But I think if you get down to the base-levels of guys it's the same thing "I just wanna have sex with that". This guy seemed to embrace the whole IDGAF, do and say whatever I want to do you mindset. To NOT pedestal, overinvest, have outcome independence, no covert contracts, this is where I think 90% of guys fail miserably.

It's like the only way to get a HB is to not think of them that way. Like the only way to win is not to play. The second you think she's a HB8 is the second you begin pedestalling. You gotta look at the HB8 the same way you'd look at a HB2.

[–]jbpostv0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I always say treat every girl like an HB 6

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Eh, I try to get my mindset off any number that just fucks with my head.

[–]xoxuv0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Befriend him. He's worth more to you than any hot girl.

Learn from him.

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Mirin hard...

[–]xoxuv0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Mirin hard...

I don't speak english. What the hell do you mean?

[–]dukes19980 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My current girlfriend is easily an 8/10 with the ideal attitude. She's also my height if not slightly taller than me. She's been with guys who are bodybuilders, d1 football players, 6'4 surfer guys with great hair etc but she says she has never been as attracted to anyone as she is to me because of my attitude. I'm very sweet, nice and understanding but also say things that need to be said and call her out for her bullshit. I also dominate her in the bedroom unlike some of these other dudes who are much more physically imposing.

Basically what she said was there are lots of hot guys out there but their needy, jealous and whiny personalities put her (and other girls) off. And that the hottest thing is genuine confidence and masculinity, which I have in spades (of course I can be insecure as well but never show it). Your frame in relating to women is the key. Being dominant and self assured doesn't mean you have to be 6'5 and jacked.

Another example is my roommate who is easily top .01% of guys at my school in that he is a 6'3, jacked, exotic guy who has probably the highest SMV of anyone I've ever met, and his recent gf ghosted him and hit me up afterwards, during which she explained that despite how hot he was his jealous personality turned her off completely.

[–]bigboxguy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

He’s probably better looking than any guy you work with

Women care about your face. If you’re really attractive face wise. Body doesn’t matter. Just ask my skinny ass housemate who’s really attractive and hooks up more than any guy on this sub.

[–]resnine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

oh no he's not, pretty weird looking actually.

[–]PincheeWhey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

how short is this guy?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Manlet fanfiction

[–]resnine[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm taller than 90% of guys that's why this was a shocker to me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Lol im jk. But what matters is, did he have sex with her?

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I asked the same. Still no answer. Don't break his dream.

She's a woman and he's working on a project with her. Wouldn't be surprised if she was following his lead just for the sake of not having to take blame when something gets fucked up.

[–]ethbytes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"It's not how big the dog in the fight, but how big the fight in the dog..."

[–]jackandjill22-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy


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