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The Economist: No sex please, we’re millennials: "The portion of Americans aged 18 to 29 who claim to have had no sex for 12 months has more than doubled in a decade—to 23% last year."

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Title The Economist: No sex please, we’re millennials: "The portion of Americans aged 18 to 29 who claim to have had no sex for 12 months has more than doubled in a decade—to 23% last year."
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 472
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Date 07 May 2019 08:46 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself426 points427 points  (121 children) | Copy

Tinder and other eSlut apps have only exacerbated the 80/20 rule. I would bet that there's just as much sex going on now, but only the top 20% of men are getting the sex. Young women are slutting it up earlier and earlier (since they can discretely select for Chads on an app instead of risking social exposure in meatspace, keeping their beta orbiters forever in the dark) and Chads are more than happy to welcome fresh meat into their harems. Add to the fact that culture is becoming even more loose on regulating women's sexual natures and embracing cucking, polyamory, etc.

All I can say is enjoy the decline and become a top 20%er.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime83 points84 points  (52 children) | Copy

We've been on a steady trajectory away from the family unit towards a free 80/20 market for some time now.

The biggest contributing factors are the death of strict religious adherence, watering down of culture, women's economic liberation and the contraceptive.

With women not needing to get married to lock down a man's security, while also being free to test the field without the consequences of having a child or cultural ostracization. We've essentially been led back to a highly competitive environment where those that compete best, horde it all, while those that don't are increasingly left empty handed.

It's tougher on the majority of men and women. 80% of men walk away empty handed, while the majority of women, although they have reproductive value and will still get laid, get pumped and dumped, leaving them with astronomical aspirations of locking down an alpha that will never be fulfilled. As women age their predicament only get's worse.

[–]the-dan-man40 points41 points  (37 children) | Copy

Damn man. Reading shit like this depresses the shit out of me. This is why I block Reddit now and then. As a man who is doing all he can to improve his career, academic and social prospects, and continually falling up short, it is very disheartening. I can not see myself becoming a top 20% in my life, or at least the next 10 years, if my past progress is any indication. This is why men become bitter in life, because despite their sacrifices and incremental change and struggle for the light, they still may fail, and it may be a long long road. So be careful guys.

[–]Speedracer1111 1 points [recovered]  (20 children) | Copy

Tinder type of apps, top 20% is purely physical looks and some very basic social skills. Career and where you went to school are irrelevant. Honestly, for a ONS or plate, make up a story.

Before you interject your defeatist comment. Unless your have some hideous physical deformity, top 20% is easily achieved by eating right and going to the gym regularly (with a proper routine, not randomly picking a machine for today). Top 10%, you need to be genetically blessed.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself24 points25 points  (8 children) | Copy

Exactly. You don't have to be Brad Pitt to make in the top 20%. Taking care of yourself (physically, mentally, professionally), being confident, dressing nice, having hobbies away from your computer, and an OK social life puts you ahead of (I'd guess) 50% of the guys out there. To get you to 20%, incorporate those ideas above for the long haul and you'll make it.

There's a lot of lazy fucks out there jerking off to porn and playing video games every free second of their lives their boss hasn't taken from them. You think a confident, well-groomed man with a social life and some cool hobbies has to compete with them?

[–]aamour14 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

Any advice of dressing nice since that's my weakest point. I mostly wear henley's or plain t shirt

[–]Westwood_19 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Dress like you make money. You should rarely be seen in a t-shirt. Wear polos or button-down shirts instead. If you do wear a t-shirt, it had better be name-brand. All shirts fit differently (every brand has a different cut for the same "size"), so be prepared to spend some time trying shirts on and finding what works for your body type.

Go shopping for jeans and slacks that look good and fit your entire lower body. You want something that follows the shape of your leg, fits well in the seat, and is snug at the waist. You’re going to have to try on a lot of clothes, but you can find something that fits you.

Get yourself a couple pairs of good shoes. I’m not talking running shoes—I mean leather chukka boots that you could dress up or down; semi-formal shoes that are just a little dressy for everyday wear but aren’t too serious (shoes you could wear to a party or BBQ). Keep you shoes clean and polish them as necessary.

If you’re on a budget, check out Ross, Burlington, etc. They have tons of stuff that’s from good brands and very affordable.

Figure out your personal style. Pinterest is really good for this—their men’s fashion suggestions are really helpful, and you can often find visual dictionaries for different styles that will help you build a cohesive wardrobe.

Lastly, commit to only wearing things that fit. Fit is the most important aspect of your wardrobe. Too many people try to hide their bodies with clothes that don’t fit, and end up looking sloppy as a result. You should constantly evaluate your wardrobe for fit—as you lose weight or gain muscle, your body shape will change. Don’t hold on to something just because it used to fit. As you improve your body and things stop fitting, look at that as a positive experience and replace that garment with something that fits and still works with your personal style.

[–]Throwaway-2424240 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you do wear a t-shirt, it had better be name-brand

Who pays attention to name-brands on t-shirts? They all look pretty cringe to me tbh, why pay more to be a walking billboard?

T-shirts are fine if you are fit, the t-shirt fits well, and you don't wear them in social settings where you are obviously dressing down by doing so.

[–]Westwood_10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I wrote that for two reasons.

The first is that a t-shirt is extremely casual—there are very few situations where a polo wouldn't be a better choice. So I suggested name-brand t-shirts because they at least look like a deliberate choice. A name-brand shirt communicates a much better message than the screen-printed one from your family reunion three years ago.

Secondly, I suggested name brand-shirts because they often fit better and are made of higher quality fabric. I don't necessarily need logos (in fact, Eddie Bauer and GAP both make logo-less t-shirts that I love). But I do need tapered fit and quality material—and I feel like I get that much more reliably from name-brands than from generic Hanes/Fruit of the Loom/Gildan t's that are everywhere.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Automod keeps taking my post down. There's a sub which I will not name that caters to the male gender's fashion (no it's not ma'am). Please visit that one and check the sidebar.

Dark jeans and nice button down shirts if you're going out and want to be around people casually. Make sure they fit nicely (get your shirts tailored). Goes without saying you are working on your body so when you get these shirts tailored it will start to show your progress better than some baggy T-shirt and jeans that are too big for you.

[–]nadolny71 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Before buying clothes get close to the physique you want, don’t go passing lipstick on a pig 🐽

[–]nocehr 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

nowadays being short is a physical deformity

[–]Skyhawk_And_Skyhead0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cant tell that from tinder. I put 6'1, I'm 5'10. No one has ever corrected me save one girl who was 6 feet

[–]the-dan-man1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

You think the top 20% of men getting all the women, just have to go to the gym and eat right? I have done that for years. It doesn't mean shit.

[–]Speedracer1111 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Thought you might be a troll and looked at some of your posts. You are a whiny bitch. Would you fuck you? Why would you expect a girl to fuck you?

just have to go to the gym and eat right? I have done that for years. It doesn't mean shit.

So, in addition to being a whiny bitch, you are obese. Otherwise you would say you are physically fit and not that you have done that for years. Can you take a photo showing your abs? Or at least a photo wearing a skin tight gym shirt that doesn't show a gut?

[–]the-dan-man3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Look mate. Just because somebody on the internet disagrees with you, which i did with my original comment, does not mean that you go through their comment history, then accuse them of being whiny AND obese. I think you are the troll here. Your attitude is retarded, and I don't follow your argument at all. And it does not bolster your argument by insulting me. And no, not obese, in shape, lean and fit.

[–]BumblingBeta1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

For what it's worth, I agree with you. There's dudes on bodybuilding forums on the internet (I won't name specific forum names) who have been lifting for 5+ years and still don't get pussy. Yes they eat well, yes they're on a proper training program, yes they get plenty of rest.

Lifting will certainly improve your situation compared to if you don't lift, but whether it improves it enough is the key question. For some guys it does, for others it doesn't. It largely comes down to genetics at the end of the day.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

just have to go to the gym and eat right

Is that all you're doing?

[–]the-dan-man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Of course not, i just referenced it because that is what Speedracer1111 said

[–]Pascolino 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Bullshit. You can be top 20% unless you're very difformed or really stupid. Which one is it? Difformed, stupid, or a lazy defeatist? I changed my life around at 40 and now I'm a monster in the gym and in the bedroom. I'd bet a good chunk of money you can to.

[–]Xornor1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Only 20% can be top 20%. There is always 80% who are not in top 20% whatever they do.

[–]HelloTims2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The point he's making is that ~80% of people are deformed, stupid, or lazy. If everyone was not deformed, stupid, or lazy, then it would be very difficult to make top 20%, but many are.

[–]Westwood_16 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

You’re not going to have much success on dating apps—very few men I know are able to regularly get matches and dates on Tinder, etc.

That said, top 20% is easier than you might think. Statistics indicate that over 70% of American men are overweight or obese. Just get your BMI into that “normal” range and you’re already top 30%. That last 10% is on you; hit the gym, develop some personality, find a few hobbies, and work on dress/grooming. 100% doable

[–]the-dan-man4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah, i don't believe that shit for a second. According to those metrics, i have been the top 20% for a while. But my success with women does not indicate that. But that might be just because i dont socialise/date often. Usually because of money and time concerns. I think its a lot harder than just getting some hobbies, getting in shape etc. You need a good income and good social circle and family/friends etc. Everything else i have, and have had for a while.

[–]Westwood_14 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

You’ve answered your own question. If you’re not socializing and putting yourself out there, you’re not going to have much success. Good social circles don’t magically appear. Date’s don’t magically appear. Even guys in the top 20% have to work for it. Remember, you’re not a woman. Women are the ones who naturally get dates just by going through their everyday lives. Women are the ones that effortlessly develop social circles (female friends and beta orbiters). As a man that is otherwise top 20%, you should be pursuing. You should be making friends, going out, and proactively building your social network.

If you think that women will be dropping into your lap simply because you’re externally top 20%, you’re dead wrong. Top 20% really just means that you get to play the game, as long as you’re willing to play the game—but you have to be the proactive one.

[–]the-dan-man1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, absolutely. And i know all that. You are agreeing with me there. You need all these factors to be in the top, as well as what you said about gym, dressing etc. I make a lot of effort to socialise and meet people etc. I have been to two networking events in the last couple days. And i have met a lot of people. Building a good social circle is a whole other game though. And to do it, i think you need to be naturally talented with people and been living in the same place for a few years. Neither of which i have. Most women and people i am meeting lately are in a professional capacity. For dates, i have not figured that out yet in my city. Probably cold approach might be the way to go. But in more relaxed settings like bars.

[–]Westwood_10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds like we’re on the same page, then. I hope things work out for you. Living in a new location can be tough, and it’s never easy to move somewhere and start over socially. Best of luck

[–]the-dan-man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks. Yeah, it is a hell of a struggle. Especially when most events/social gatherings etc, people would rather sit in the corner and stare at their phone. Instead of talking to others. Well, in fact they do that everywhere. Young people are scared to talk to each other now. It is so bizarre.

[–]throwlaca2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can not see myself becoming a top 20% in my life, or at least the next 10 years

If you are reading this, you are already in the top 50%. You wont believe the amount of totally unfuckable ignorant/obese/crazy men out there. Getting into top 20% is not hard, sometimes you only have to wait.

[–]Da-redcrip4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don’t think you get the concept of the red pill brother, good luck on your journey tho 🤙🏾💯💯

[–]the-dan-man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What is the concept? I thought it was just honest tools/advice for men in a very challenging and confused time.

[–]adriano5150 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is really bizarre for me to read tbh if there's something that has made me happier (despite not seeing the results yet) is improving in things that interest me, i dont even see it as a sacrifice anymore.

I'd rather improve and invest my time and efforts in things that i like than waste my time on tv, internet or games.

It even makes me deppressed when im not doing something "productive" (Can't even stand playing games for more than an hour now)

[–]enavari0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And think about, its not like top 20 percent is that bad. Its 2/10, its 2 slices of pizza out of 10. Remember studding for the SAT in HS? For those academic inclined, you could believe you could reach the 80 percentile. It was hard, yes, but doable. You just had to work hard.

[–]Scorchyy21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol @ the average guys who used to think girls not being judged for having lot of sex would mean they’d get laid more often

[–]RedHeimdall7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's exactly how they sold it... the Playboy lifestyle. Hey Average Joe, you too can live like Hugh Hefner if we just let these females off the chain

[–]Thinkingard37 points38 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is exactly the outcome the elites want. They don't want people reproducing and raising families. Strong male leaders, normal, resourceful, and intelligent families are the greatest bulwark against wholesale tyranny. A lot of things start to make sense with this worldview. Every kind of sexual deviancy is being pushed but normal healthy heterosexual sex is rape without layers of consent built in. That's why TRP is quarantined, because it promotes healthy masculinity, which leads to men locking down good women and raising families successfully because they understand the true nature of women far better than the typical bluepill man. It's not enough to have men avoid marriage because of extremely one-sided laws, now men have to avoid sex entirely to truly not be at risk. I do think Tinder and college are at their peak and on their way down as more and more MGTOW those specific items. Why should regular men go on Tinder if they aren't going to get laid? Why should regular men go to college if they aren't going to get a job?

I work at a large HVAC company and it's the first normal company I've ever been at because there's a lot of competent white men of all ages everywhere. It gives me a glimpse of what work life might have been like before the 60s.

[–]FlufflesTheEvil0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry just had to but in I'm in school for HVAC and getting ready to start an apprenticeship. Do you mind if I ask you what company you are with?

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

but corporate profits will always trump your utopian all white male work place.

nepotism still lingers and racism is even worse imo.

but if acme hvac can hire some h1b visa engineers and bring in cheap labor at the same time, fuck your comfort level of working with just white men.

$$$ rules

[–]Thinkingard5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nah this is a local place it’s not a corporation. It’s not all white male but mostly white males. No chance of hiring h1bs to do hvac work since the image of the company among an aging white boomer population is important.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

my point: companies are in business to make money.

and if that means hiring cheap labor, they will. or it could also mean selling out.

[–]Thinkingard1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah not these guys. Not even a single immigrant doing any work here and this is a sanctuary city. Turns out people don’t want you to do their hvac work if it’s cheap shit.

[–]uniquetoo4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's interesting to note, that in times of reduced male sex participation rates, there is often an increase in protests, civil unrest, violence and gang culture. Men feel a need for social utility - and if women do not value or require their output, then men will put their energy to other pursuits.

[–]Happy_Pizza_4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have to wonder how the availability of porn, videogames, and cheap entertainment effects this though?

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well said and your points definitely sparked the beginning of the decline in monogamy. I would also point out that if the "bottom 80%" of men are no longer motivated to get women the old-fashioned way (study hard, get a great job, be the provider, etc), then society is going to really go through some shit soon.

[–]MetaGenieGenius1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This!!! If Beta Providers opt out en masse... Then society will decay cause Chad & Tyrone aren't inclined to "Man Up" & be a cuck.

[–]zincSF1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Communication technology has a significant role here. The ability to stay in contact, and to plan, all in "private", is huuuuuge as an enabler for casual/illicit sex. Think about what you had to do in 1887, for example. Or even in 1975.

[–]Protocol_Apollo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The situation is so fucked lmao, bottom 80% of men walk with nothing and most women walk away with nothing, they all think they have the magic pussy to make a top 20% man stay, but they don’t and yet they keep getting pumped and dumped and refuse to learn their lesson until they lose all their value. Then the bottom 80% men start to look appealing.

There are only 2 ways to win: don’t play the game at all or become a top 20% man. For a female, it’s basically impossible to win, they can only win the battles not the war (ie can have a top 20% man for a night or two)

[–]Whopper_Jr66 points67 points  (1 child) | Copy

Heartiste had graph in the past month or two showing that more women are reporting more sexual partners (one night stands) vs women from decades past having limited sexual partners (long term relationships). Wish the site was easier to search, so much gold in one place.

[–]GBP4tendies78 points79 points  (1 child) | Copy

I can't believe i had to scroll this deep to find a single comment that discusses the actual root cause.

[–]Speedracer1111 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

Tinder and silimar apps are a digital club. The top 20% can talk to any girl and the girls line up for their turn. Simple as that.

There was a post recently that a guy heard his female coworkers n-counts. As I recall, the 4 or 5 women aged from 17-23 and their counts were 15+. (17 year old had 18.) Obviously the women are still having sex and supports your assumptions (young women slutting it up earlier and earlier).

[–]Thinkingard22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

It makes them so damaged it's impossible to marry a girl with that kind of N-count. Whatever bluepill beta bucks she tries to marry in her mid 30s she's going to cheat on within a year or two. A decade after that she may drink herself to death while she still brags to her co-workers what a catch she is and how beautiful she is (inbetween conversations of her cat and dog children).

[–]420KUSHBUSH0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I reckon one of the 4 or 5 women proudly professed their count, to which the other women wanted to look "sexually desired" so they jacked up their count. Honestly seems like the case

[–]Speedracer1111 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Birds of the same feather flock together.

Is more likely the case. It's the basis behind one of the red flags in upgrading a plate to a girlfriend. Look at her friend group, if they are promiscuous, it's likely your plate is, or was.

Even using your example, if "sexually desired" is a higher count, then they will load Tinder and by the end of year hit that number. (Premise of why we say, Fake it until you make it.)

[–]420KUSHBUSH1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wholeheartedly agree with the former statement, although again, they are coworkers OP mentioned

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

I would bet that there's just as much sex going on now, but only the top 20% of men are getting the sex

The statistics and research bears this out. Women are having just as much sex, but with fewer men. Half of men are left completely out of this deal, which is dragging down the statistics.

[–]BumblingBeta0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why half of men? I believe the stats are that 30% of American men aged 18-29 haven't had sex in the last year.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

the next 20% are getting annual sex, so don't show up those statistics

[–]cjandstuff9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Was talking to a female acquaintance of mine. She mentioned that there are so many good looking men on those dating apps. She has no problem finding someone, and couldn't understand why guys find it so hard to find a date.
I got her to change her settings to a man seeking a woman, and shortly after she came back, noting the horrible, limited selection of decent looking women.
80/20.

[–]BumblingBeta2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That implies that the 80/20 rule is because of a poor selection of women for men to choose from. Which may or may not be the case, however most men would happily have sex with most of the women on these apps. But the women reject them for a top 20%er. This is true even of the women who are 3/10 or 4/10.

[–]Scorchyy9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Exactly, an average girl today who wants sex can do it with a 20% guy without any effort, before Tinder or dating apps if she wanted sex she had to count on the few guys she met in real life even if they weren’t in the 20% so that way any guy had a chance

[–]throwlaca0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yes but she cannot date this 20% man, he has dozens like her. This is important. Girls now are lonely, sex was always free for them.

[–]Scorchyy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

True, without Tinder the 20% men would have tons of girl so they’d have to settle with one in their social circle

[–]Protocol_Apollo10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn, and all of this is just to attack the family unit

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy

Dude. Blast from the past.

Agreed on online dating. Fish in a barrel. God mode cheat code easy.

If I want to fuck some strange, I just click a few buttons, type a sentence or two, and just like Uber Eats pussy arrives at my door all ready to eat.

Do the work on the front end and then you can cruise.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'd skip out on literally eating. God only knows where that's been...

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just use your beard yeast to innoculate your next homebrew.

[–]BumblingBeta0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You just click a few buttons and pussy arrives at your door? You must be a top 1% male in terms of looks. What do you look like? Chiselled jaw, model looks, muscular, 6ft2 in height? Please teach me.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

5'10, 190. 14% Big V taper, lifting 35 years. Symmetric face, good hair, if I sneeze my beard grows. Nothing special.

Lotsa "manly" hobbies and the social proof pics that go with them.

Wealthy so my gear and clothing and style are top notch.

If you haven't read u/Mallardcove's 2 tinder guides you're cheating yourself.

[–]BumblingBeta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cool thanks. Lifting 35 years? Geez, that's some serious dedication. You must look good for all that time in the gym.

[–]mountainbiker17828 points29 points  (9 children) | Copy

Now that I figured out how to use the apps, I'm overwhelmed with matches. I don't have enough time to see everyone I match.

[–]Bazino11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Veryfied pics or it didn't happen.

[–]pigdestroyer187 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

Same, I had Bumble for 24 hours before I had to delete it because I got overwhelmed with bitches throwing themselves at me. If you're not getting laid in 2019 then you're doing something wrong.

[–]420KUSHBUSH30 points31 points  (3 children) | Copy

And how did you manage that many in 24 hours exactly?

[–]cafeitalia81 points82 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because he is the baddest heaviest red pilled Chad ever. When he installs the app, bumble servers immediately send his photos to all the bitches with headline "Chad thundercock, good of sex arrived" so he didn't even need to try to match girls, the girls were already lined up in the thousands.

[–]420KUSHBUSH22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was blind but now I see!

Thank you for this wisdom you bestow upon me, wise one. I am bringing the servers to near collapse now that every woman within a 100 mile radius matched me and are spamming me with messages

[–]fgts4trmp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

in a stretch Humma

My bank account resembles

Uhhh...

Bill Gates' phone number

[–]Bazino5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Veryfied pics or it didn't happen.

[–]yomo861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly the reason why they don't state male/female ratios.

[–]MatCreatesStuff1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All I can say is enjoy the decline and become a top 20%er.

Well said. I'm personally trying to get into shape, raise money for facial surgery, and I'll see if I can't regrow my thinning hairline.

[–]sprafa1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tbh I feel you guys in the US/UK are particularly harmed by this stuff. More conservative countries with some family values (like where I come from - Spain/Portugal) this doesn’t happen as much. Source: I’ve lived with Spanish/Portuguese girls and it’s nowhere as bad as UK/US girls I’ve met.

[–]HelloTims1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

What'd be your advice for making a good Tinder profile?

[–]suptho50 points51 points  (0 children) | Copy

Be attractive

Don’t be unattractive

[–]Nicolas063112 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Be beautiful, radiate confidence and assurance, look manly and wealthy, smart and fun. Make it look like you are unique, have a fantastic busy life doing things no one else manage.

[–]omega_dawg935 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

rent a lambo and put a 10 inch dildo in your pants.

lean on the lambo... dick print showing while counting money.

and smile... shirtless wearing a wwe wrasslin belt.

once the pics are posted, they will come... and they will cum.

[–]DonkeyPunch190 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's more like top 5 percent.

[–]sprafa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I had a good looking dude as my flatmate and that changed my perspective soo much. He was constantly pounding gorgeous pussy, the kind of girls you’d think would be more “reserved”. He was really religious though and it seems like they would often move on after him and he seemed a bit pissed about it after a while - so he started lifting! Brilliant guy

Having woman flatmates though i have to say - they do have a lot less sex than I imagined. A lot of them have gone on months without sex, even a very attractive flatmate who was totally into an LDR that was (from my POV) totally in her head. But the guy was quite attractive and they’d been together before so I guess she had it in her mind to be faithful to her feelings. But when she broke her vows (which she did eventually) it was with a muscular Brazilian dude who was also a scientist. TBH I gave her a lot of props for that - the guy was nice, smart and good looking. Because she’s attractive she had him in the bag in a day though!

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 267 points268 points  (39 children) | Copy

As noted by others, it's fascinating to see the mainstream slowly admit that TRP has been right all along- though you'd never see reddit admin recant and remove the quarantine despite the fact that even The Economist sees what we've been wtalking about.

But it's funny - the only reason they publish this is because they know you can't lie forever, the facts will get out one way or another. This is spin control.

They just blame it on porn!

A range of possible explanations for the disparity has been suggested, and the students seemed to corroborate several of them. Many felt men’s social skills had been especially eroded by over-reliance on technology. Overindulgence in porn meanwhile offered them an escape route from reality.

Ah yes- it's men's fault they aren't having sex.

[–]rorrr112 points113 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yeah, those poor poor millions of women want to get laid, but just can't, because men use technology and prefer to masturbate to porn. /s

[–]OptimalAdhesiveness73 points74 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm cracking up over here. I guess unless we are exactly the same level of libido as our female at ALL TIMES, we are in the wrong.

Men are oversexed = their fault, also porn

Men are undersexed = their fault, also porn

[–]dutchgguy31 points32 points  (2 children) | Copy

The article does mention that it is mostly men that are reporting an increase in no sex (3 times more than women), so the women seem to be still getting laid.

[–]omega_dawg9310 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

women don't have to work to get laid.

just be clean, eager, and emotionally reasonable... and they can get fucked every single day.

[–]randomTATRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it's the 80-20 getting to 90-10 :)

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, those poor poor millions of women want to get laid, but just can't, because men use technology and prefer to masturbate to porn. /s

This literally made me lol.

[–]BitsAndBobs30422 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

despite the fact that even The Economist sees what we've been wtalking about.

unfortunately all articles published have pushed the "no reasons been found by research, but some speculate porn+videogames+unemployment/bad economy as the cause" idiotic narrative

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey58 points59 points  (6 children) | Copy

The most ridiculous part about this is what's being offered by the women making these complaints is so low quality and low effort that there are guys out there that would literally rather beat off in front of their phones. That sounds far more like a "you" issue than an "us" issue.

[–]_do_not_read_this_30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm going to suggest that the "everyone gets a prize!" generation and helicoptor parents have played a role, in that kids don't know what rejection or failure even is, so when they face it they don't know what to do.

Except, apparently, look at porn and beat off.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I honestly don't see these causes for the situation at hand as mutually exclusive.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

The most ridiculous part about this is what's being offered by the women making these complaints is so low quality and low effort that there are guys out there that would literally rather beat off in front of their phones.

If women are being outcompeted by pictures of themselves, they must be doing something seriously wrong.

And they are. For the most part women simply demand too high a price for sex: commitment, male effort (and social risk and emotional cost) to make dating happen, emotional demands, time demands, financial demands.

The only way around their demands is to be top 10% physically, and however you spin it 90% of men will never be there.

[–]Da-redcrip3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

“If women are being outcompeted by pictures of themselves, they must be doing something seriously wrong.”

RESPECT THE TAG INDEED!!!!

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I said the above to a girl once. She replied "yeah... girls need to shave more" :)

[–]BlindingTwilight 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Don’t forget video games, also men’s fault. Next comes the push to ban sex dolls because they cause men to objectify wimminz. There has already been some early suggestions from feminists that sex robots be banned (except for their Hitachi wands of course). They hate the betas so much they don’t even want them to have sex with robots

[–]Pascolino 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Haha I love the Hitashi wand. Girls come so fast with it, it's hilarious. My best toy by miles.

[–]BrownGummyBear0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ive been meaning to get one for my arsenal :]

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah yes- it's men's fault they aren't having sex

Everything but everything is men's fault.

Women underperforming at school, college and the workplace? Male oppression.

Men underperforming at the above? Men's fault.

People having too much sex? Men's fault. Too little? Men's fault.

Single mothers? Men's fault.

Women get support, men get blame. Been like this for generations and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why do we care if society admits a fact of nature is true or not?

Isn't to our advantage to see the truth when everyone else doesn't?

I don't give a fuck if society endorses red pill or not, it's true, and it's better that the media eliminates the competition.

[–]1OneRedSock8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's quite a bit of truth behind the fact that many men utilize porn as an escape from having to actually man the fuck up, make themselves attractive and fuckable, and ask a woman out. It's the path of least resistance. And while men can't be at fault for 100% of the world's woes, the vast majority of women still want men to ask them out. So, if men wanna fuck, it is 95% of the time going to start with their ability to grow a pair and approach women.

Unfortunately, a lot of millennials are pretty much socially retarded when it comes to women, as they've been taught their whole lives through the school system and society to treat women in ways that we know turn's them off:

  1. Putting the pussy on a pedestal.
  2. Being overly nice due to conditioning in school.
  3. Being more open to emotions and relaying these emotions to women.

This is why TRP grows; social retarded betas get chewed up and spit out enough that they finally break and realize there's gotta be a better way.

And that's not even touching on the fact that many men believe advice from a woman will get them laid.

[–]MushroomTaco6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

lmao, and even in that admission, there is still the implicit acknowledgement that men are responsible for taking charge in a relationship

[–]Protocol_Apollo4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep they will admit the truth eventually but they will spin it and literally blame anything and everything else that ISN’T the cause.

I do love their technology reasoning; are these guys blind or something? Women flock to social media and over-indulge in magnitudes compared to men, it’s their source of validation. It’s their sunlight

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

To be fair, porn use does make it harder to engage with women. That's why those on nofap see a lot of success. This is a two prongred problem, women are disgusted by beta men, and men are disgusted by degenerate women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Whats the reasoning behind not jerking off leading to better success with women?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Increased androgen receptor sensitivity, significantly reduced prolactin, which can harm overall dominant behavior.

I dont know why, but porn watching and edging (no cheating!) gave me bad social anxiety even when I wasn't ejaculating.

My advice is to go for 2 weeks on a clean streak and see for yourself. You will def. see results, the hype on nofap and semenretention subs is real.

Makes you wonder why someone devised a tool to make mastubation addictive (porn).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'll give it a try. My take on it is it's healthy to get rid of the old juices and get some new juices in there. Whether it's you or someone else, what's the difference? No scientific research on any of that as far as I'm concerned.

[–]Burn4Bern4201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Check out Your Brain on Porn- eye opening. Stopping wacking it can only help you.

[–]Thinkingard4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

To be fair, porn is good at reducing a man's desire to get laid, and it's a part of the agenda. Before I was married I would fap to porn to reduce my desire for women when I went out so I wouldn't be distracted. Now I know better, but easy access to high speed internet porn is a huge problem that damages men's sex drives. Sex is pushed in our faces everywhere, but since most men aren't having sex they have to turn to porn for some kind of satisfaction.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it's fascinating to see the mainstream slowly admit that TRP has been right all along

And they still have no idea how to fix it. Many times they get close to diagnosing the cause, but then they take turn out to right field and lose the plot.

This video comes to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flLn9n5AaIk

Lots of insightful comments actually, which is rare for a YT video.


Porn, video games, etc. are not the cause of the incels being reported on in these kinds of articles, those diversions are in response to the changing sexual marketplace that's locked so many men out against their will. Some may choose those things to spend their time and not chase women, but not all.

[–]Pragmaticpandas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would argue that it absolutely is a mans fault if he’s not having sex. Not because of porn, but because he hasn’t taken it upon himself to learn the truth and take action on it (swallowing trp).

Obviously western women (modern women, for that matter) are embracing a sexual marketplace that benefits them in every way. Still a mans responsibility to understand this and take advantage

[–]tunsku0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I mean porn is likely a big issue.

[–]MushroomTaco71 points72 points  (0 children) | Copy

" And once young Americans become more used to their more equal gender relations, they might re-embrace the degree of ambiguity and risk that romance entails. That is the hope, at least. Meanwhile, they might try putting down their phones, talking face to face a bit more, and even flirting. "

gag me with a fucking spoon

[–]Keystone_Heavy144 points45 points  (6 children) | Copy

Funny how everything is so hyper-sexualized nowadays, everyone is encouraged by the media to have casual sex and openly talk about it, and "sex work"/pornography is becoming increasingly less taboo... yet no sex is being had. Makes you think.

[–]SouthernOhioRedsFan29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

Porn and sexualization in the media are on the rise, but prostitution and strip clubs are being cracked down on hard in most of the country's interior. It's, "Water, water everywhere, and not a drop to drink."

[–]JohnIan1013 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

A bunch of posers wishing to be - not.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

strip clubs and prostitution fled to the internet

[–]Thinkingard3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Almost as if it was planned.

[–]Hanzo__Main23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

I might be biased because I'm an unemployed college graduate right now, but I'm sure there's a correlation between disposable income and how much you to devote time into getting laid

[–]yungassed13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rich men fuck more (multimillionaires, not bets bucks chodes) always have and always will. Money is just power over the men that value it, and nothing attracts woman more than power.

[–]2jbpostv82 points83 points  (5 children) | Copy

Gonna go out on a limb here and you guys oughta hear this out. Women aren’t repulsed by horny objectifying “misogynistic” men who only care about sex. Chad cannot be creepy. Up your SMV and once to break into territory start pouring out raw sexual energy and be proud like it’s just “a guy thing” and masculine to be a goddamn horn dog, because it is and it’s hilarious. Chicks want high SMV guys to be “creepy” with them, that’s called game. Treat yourself like Johnny Bravo except it’s cool whether he gets blown out or not because it’s not results it’s behavior that makes the man in the end. Treat the game like a playground. Roll out with your boys and fuck around like children. Bark at hb10s and yell “comeer lil daugie! Give daddy a little puppy love hmm?” use stupid accents spit nonsense, laugh your ass off, pull. I’ll tell you this.some of the most rock solid game I’ve ever seen has come from low SMV trashy people who never learned how to behave and have shame for what they say. To them theyre some big shot in a movie and rejection, manners, social construct doesn’t fucking exist the camera keeps rolling on their character and the crowd goes oooh in their heads. Play your role it’s not real for anyone, it’s intentional deliberate speech meant to cause a reaction. Don’t take it personal to you it’s just shit you’re saying that might get you a result. That’s movie star frame. The scene never cuts and it’s all kinda fake and showy in a way. You can’t bat 1.000 and batting .333 makes you a goddamn hall of famer. Stop being ashamed of rejection and start framing yourself on your suave casanova or 0 fucks chad clown, the you you admire and aspire to.

[–]Guidebookers13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

I prefer the shooting analogy because I do a lot of firearm practice. Gunsmithing, maintenance, and building is also a great hobby.

The best shooters don't hit the bullseye 100% of the time. You're going to be less than perfect with most shot placements. Can you deal with the failure and come back and nail the center?

[–]RightHandWolf16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly right with the baseball analogy. Even the best of the best strike out more often than not. Ted Williams had a season batting average of .400 one year, which means he still struck out 6 out of every 10 times at bat. The point is he kept stepping to the plate and swinging for the fences. That kind of drive and determination is another quality that fosters attraction.

[–]NakedOnCouch1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well not struck out. Just didn't get a hit.

[–]420KUSHBUSH2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

False, even the "best" men can be creepy. I'll admit obviously more attractive men can get away with more although past a certain point one thing they do won't bode well with any women

And for the ones it does bode well, they aren't exactly the sanest in mind

[–]Darkone0677 points78 points  (6 children) | Copy

It's the fucking economy.

Men's earning are dropping. Women's are increasing.

Women are outpacing men in college graduate rates.

Women aren't into men that can't provide. Plain and simple. They don't need us economically.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women aren't into men that can't provide. Plain and simple. They don't need us economically.

Women don't fuck providers, they fuck hot men.

Being a "good provider" gets you very little sex once she feels she has you committed. We've learned that over the last few decades.

[–]Thinkingard13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

So true. Provider game only works in the third world now. Women aren't attracted to providers because they can provide for themselves, but their id still makes them seek men with status, so if you are a hot alpha they still won't settle down with you if you aren't higher status and income than them.

[–]nzx1031 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not exactly, statistics show that men still dominate STEM subjects which usually lead to good paying jobs.

yes women are graduating at higher rates but it means that they are getting bullshit degrees in higher rates.

[–]Darkone064 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is about feelz not realz.

It doesnt matter that the guy doing her yard work makes more than her, she still feels superior to him with her bullshit marketing degree and office job.

[–]InconsiderableSingle10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

If women are earning more then men, alongside the 80/20 rule then then you could view a large majority of men as being disposable.

[–]omega_dawg939 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

this is not true. it's very simple... alpha fucks and beta bucks.

they're financially independent... so they don't need men who are betas as much anymore. they can provide for themselves.

this means that the other side... alpha fucks is more prevalent/important. iow, women don't want you to build a nest and maintain her in comfort.

they want men who will come to their nest... the one they own and be the extreme alpha they deserve.

beta bucks is declining. women don't care about that side anymore. the alpha fucks side is winning big. become more alpha... more ruthless... more dominant.

and no.. growing a beard and being more stoic won't cut it. women aren't dumb... you can only fake it for so long.

[–]PS2Errol123 points124 points  (27 children) | Copy

Men have had enough and left the plantation. MGTOW is growing at a massive rate.

By and large women just aren't worth it. 50%+ are obese and when you take away those too old or ugly there are so few good ones left it's just not worth the hassle.

[–]Whopper_Jr24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

The 50% obese thing is such a shame. I was looking at the keto subreddit and this girl posted a pic where she went from shlubby to gorgeous simply by losing excess fat. It was an inflexible pic (just face, but still apparent). Imagine how many more hot girls (and guys) society would have if our nutritional priorities weren’t fucked!

[–]_do_not_read_this_ 1 points [recovered]  (12 children) | Copy

Seriously, I can go a week in my city without seeing a pretty, single woman (other than where I teach yoga and that's verboten unfortunately).

They all have their engagement rings (not that I care) or just aren't cute enough for the effort. And so many chubbers these days ... so many ...

[–]DownyGall43 points44 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is seriously true about chubbers. I don’t need rail thin but the amount that are too fat is just not acceptable. And if they’re like that in their 20s, what will they be in their 50s?

[–]cjandstuff2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look at their mother. There's your answer.

[–]Illiaan60 points61 points  (1 child) | Copy

You’re in America, I guarantee it.

[–]randomTATRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

+++, here in EE in a college city I swear there can NOT be a day where I don't see a woman that every male would die for

[–]Darkone0615 points16 points  (7 children) | Copy

You're obviously not in Austin. I can't go 5 minutes without seeing the most beautiful girl I have ever seen.

[–]VulcanACES17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everything’s bigger in Texas

[–]22oregon225 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

Fill me in on Austin. I had a job offer there but decided on something else for a year. You like it?

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

you fucked up.

Austin is probably the coolest city in America.

drop dead gorgeous white women by the truck load... they're everywhere! oh and great bbq too!

[–]22oregon222 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah, I love Texas as a whole. No state income taxes, 2nd amendment absolutists, lots of cheap land. Austin I have heard is trying to turn into liberal California though which is a turn off for me. Good to hear about the women though 👌🏻

[–]RightHandWolf7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sigh . . .

I've lived in Austin since 1997, so I guess I'll chime in with a few observations.

Yes, there are some hella cool things here. Lots of green belt spaces, hike and bike trails, live music on 6th Street, some damn good barbeque, plus lots and lots and lots of food trucks. Tacos, pizza by the slice, cupcakes (I'm not kidding, there's a food truck that sells cupcakes), gyros, crepes, etc., etc.

There are legions of college age cuties everywhere. Texas State University is 30 miles away in San Marcos. Southwestern State is about the same distance away in Georgetown. Concordia University and St. Edwards are here in town, along with the mothership of the UT system.

Now, the downside parts of the equation . . .

1) The housing market is tight. Very tight. When I first moved here, a pretty decent one bedroom apartment could be had for $450 a month. This was about 650 square feet in a decent area. Nowadays, a 500 square foot studio in the same area will set you back at least $1600 a month, plus utilities.

2) The road system sucks, and traffic is a major clusterfuck. I-35, US 290, US 183, Loop 1, and Loop 360 are always busy, and during rush hour they'll be as clogged as a Senator's arteries. Most of the expressway interchanges are of the elevated ramp type, so when there is freezing rain once every few years, the whole city virtually shuts down. Which brings us to:

3) The weather is a double-edged sword. I've seen snow flurries less than a dozen times in the past 22 years, and the times where there was any accumulation I could count on one hand. The flip side of this is that it gets hot. I mean really hot. Forget the calendar; if 80 degree temperatures are part of your definition of summer, then summer in Austin runs from St. Patrick's Day right up to Halloween, or even Thanksgiving. In 2011, we had 94 consecutive days of temperatures of 100 or above. 27 days set a new high temp record for that day, and there were 9 days that tied the all-time high of 112 degrees. Your AC will be running constantly.

4) Austin prides itself on being the little blue dot in the Red Sea of Texas. The phrase "tax and spend liberal" was probably coined with the Austin City Council in mind. Someone mentioned that we are turning into California. It would be more accurate to say that we are being swamped with people moving here from California. Which reminds of a joke . . . a little something to lighten the mood.

During South By Southwest, a few dudes were taking in the scene at the Continental Club. This great red-bearded giant waves the bartender over, and orders a bottle of the best single malt scotch in the place. He pours 3 fingers worth into a tumbler, knocks it back in a single throw, and then tosses the bottle in the air and shoots it. "Aye, laddies, I've got to tell you, in Scotland, we have these epic fooki rivers of whisky. We have so much good scotch, you never have to drink from the same bottle twice."

Okay. So now it's a regional dick-waving contest. The second guy smiles with these perfectly capped teeth and asks the bartender for a glass of the best California White in the place. Makes a big show of looking at the body, sniffing the boquet and such. Takes a little sip, and then he throws the glass in the air and shoots it. "So, like, I'm from the Bay Area? And Napa Valley is not too far and has like these way totally bitchin' vineyards, man. We have so much good wine in California, we never have to drink from the same glass twice."

So now the local boy puts down his guitar, ties his hair back into a ponytail, and fetches out a world-weary sigh as he drains the last of his Lone Star and signals for another. His beer arrives, and without any preamble, he just turns and shoots the wine snob. For a second, it gets quiet like the old E.F. Hutton commercial, but the conversations quickly resume. "Well, I never got a taste for the hard stuff, and Daddy taught me that wine is only acceptable if you run out of beer, but we've got so many goddamn people moving here from California, you never have to drink with the same one twice."

[–]22oregon221 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking beautiful. Thanks for the write up! I laughed.

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Austin has been liberal since your parents were teens.

don't add politics into what is a great college town and beautiful cool place.

all of the Texas conservative laws get passed there... then, everyone turns liberal... smokes weed, eats good q, and enjoys the girls.

[–]Atheist_Utopia6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Quit this MGTOW rationalization. Men nowadays are involuntarily celibate, not because they choose to. Instead of doing something about it, they complain that the game is rigged against them. It definitely is, but the alternative is to be an incel for life.

Real MGTOWs are probably 5% of that sub's population.

[–]Pragmaticpandas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’d say they involuntarily (unknowingly) choose to. Choosing not to choose is a choice

[–]Mellow__Martian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like an American problem.

[–]Bear-With-Bit16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy

I suspect this also goes along with anecdotal evidence of how most women's expressed n-count stays within a certain range, despite how generally it's 2x or 3x higher or even more.

[–]geo_gan20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

Women: “about 10”. Actual 50-1000

Men: “about 10”: Actual 0-5

[–]Pristine_Sheepherder8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Probably more accurate than I'd like it to be.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

What if she told me “about 26”

About 500 maybe? Hah.

[–]Burn4Bern4200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like she 1/4th'd it, probs 100. The higher the count the more they fracture it.

[–]enavari2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah see this

[–]Bear-With-Bit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

nice. scientific evidence corroborating our collective anecdotal one.

[–]enavari1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

and they were college students ;)

[–]Shaman662447 points48 points  (7 children) | Copy

No mention of the HUGE decline in free testosteron in men??

[–]mountainbiker17822 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

I just read study about yet another chemical affecting testosterone, suntan lotion.

[–]22oregon227 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fuck, I just applied sunscreen today

[–]Chrisl192 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Suntan lotion is not sunscreen.

[–]gameshowalien25 points26 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is an overrated meme. It honestly comes down to women having hyper realistic standards today and refusing to budge because we gave them rights. In the 1950s men drank hard booze all day, which dramatically lowers T, and they had happy wives and happy lives.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

You seriously underestimate how prevalent xenoestrogens are in many different forms and many different products. They are in everything. It requires a total revamp of all normie products, replacing them with organic alternatives.

Prenatal and postnatal exposure will absolutely fuck up your androgenic activity.

[–]omega_dawg938 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

been saying this for years...

xenoestrogens are basically chemical warfare... slowly dosed over a long long time.

i know guys in their early 20s with low T... and that is not normal imo.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's funny because you can actually look at the generational difference. You will notice the offspring of the parents looking noticeable more feminine, both the males and females.

[–]1swampbastard698 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was single at 26 - got in an 8 year relationship, and became single again at 34, I can speak to the changes I have seen. I only talk to women in their 20's and if you asked me wayyy more sex is being had now than 10 years ago. But what is really happening is I am having more sex due to a personally higher SMV than 10 years ago. Its the 90/10 rule, not 80/10. Guys in the top 10% are cleaning up, and other guys are being left out. A girl will go home alone from a bar because she can filter guys based on the cyber guys in her phone, back when I was 26 if a girl was horny, she would find a guy that night, and maybe they would get together in a relationship. Its not the economy, its not porn, its not low T...its Insta and Hinge/Bumble etc. Also ten years ago top 10% of guys would settle down just like everyone else, nowadays they just stay single because they keep getting rewarded every weekend.

[–]throwlaca58 points59 points  (14 children) | Copy

The church came out with the idea of monogamy 2000 years ago. The main social norm was one man one women up until death. It was so basic that the woman that fucked around was stoned to death, and wanting other women than your own was a fucking capital sin. It is that important.

But now millennials say fuck religion, we don't need that, right? right. Oh suddenly only 10% of all men have sex and the rest is being sued for harassment because they looked at the wrong girl on the streets.

You know what happen to the other 90% of men that don't fuck? they replace sex with the other thing that men are programmed to do. Violence.

Suddenly religion doesn't look that bad.

[–]the99percent114 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

You do realise it isnt just millenials. This shit has been happening since your grandma was in her physical prime.

It's just now we have actual means to collect data and study the sample. Women have been cucking their husbands since Casanova was alive.

[–]BrownGummyBear6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the real red pill. AWALT, even when trying to suppress their imperative through social pressure and religion.

[–]TriggeringEveryone12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

The church came out with the idea of monogamy 2000 years ago.

Monogamy is much older than the Church.

[–]tunsku11 points12 points  (10 children) | Copy

You know what happen to the other 90% of men that don't fuck? they replace sex with the other thing that men are programmed to do. Violence

Nah, the )ew has figured this out too. Infinite porn, xenoestrogens in our drinking water, aluminum cans, lotions, and bottles. Men get pacified.

[–]georg3604 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

That's stupid... To think that anything like that is planned just fuels your desire for a world that has a plan. So you can mentally escape the fact that you have no control.

[–]tunsku10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

You need to start noticing coincidences.

[–]folded1000time2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I don't understand, so you must have some pathological reason for believing that"

[–]Granite_Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

December 23rd, 1913. There is plan and we know there is a plan because we have confirmed proof of past plans.

[–]georg3600 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How's that connected to pornography

[–]420KUSHBUSH0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How the fuck am I supposed to not take in xenoestrogens if it's even in our damn drinking water lmao

[–]tunsku0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well idk where you live and get your tap water from, it depends. The problem is E-pills and other medication, almost no modern water filtration centres are built up to filter them from waste water where they end up after consumption.

[–]_do_not_read_this_ 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy

There's so many reasons we could all point to based on our experience.

Women's lib which is really the long term societal emasculation of men.

Celebrating male gay culture and lifestyle.

"Equality" and *treating* people as equals when there never can be true "equality".

Attention whoring satisfying may womens' needs, for the most part.

The good news is all the incels and "MGTOW's" out there make for less competition for this guy.

[–]rorrr3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

Nobody is programming men to be gay, that's some delusional religious talk. A straight man cannot be taught to enjoy fucking another man, that's not how attraction works.

[–]KingOfPomerania21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

I assume he means promoting camp gay men in the media promotes effeminacy. If not then, yeah, I agree that's silly.

[–]_do_not_read_this_ 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Last summer, Lisa Littman, an assistant professor at Brown University, published a study in PLOS One titled, "Rapid-onset gender dysphoria in adolescents and young adults: A study of parental reports," which suggested that social and peer contagion could play a role in the increased rate of gender dysphoria.

It identified rapid-onset gender dysphoria as gender dysphoria that suddenly appears around the time of puberty in young people who had not previously met the criteria for gender dysphoria in childhood.

Source: https://www.theblaze.com/news/teens-who-identify-as-trans-doubles

Emphasis mine.

There's also decades of research that many adult homosexuals were raped by a male when they were young, thereby making them homosexual themselves into adulthood. Get on the computer and look it up yourself, it's out there if you care to be informed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Nothing gay about getting your dick sucked tho, right?

[–]rorrr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One can be forced to have gay sex, but cannot be forced to enjoy it.

If you're getting your dick sucked voluntarily, you're gay/bi.

[–]TheImpossible111 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Breaking News : TRP was right!

How long before my personal idea that women are working together to try and make the bottom 80% have shit lives as tax slaves/push them to suicide turns out to be true as well.

[–]throwlaca0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's not only true. Its the natural order. But that natural order fucking sucks.

[–]TheImpossible12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I meant that it's more than subconscious.

I meant they're doing it knowingly.

The theory I have is that they want to show sex at all points to create a few different groups, who serve different purposes to them.

You have us, the people they want.

Then the betas, who will work hard in the hope of getting it.

The incels, who are encouraged to exist by women (After all, who keeps going to attack them for existing? It's not us. It's not even the beta males.) because they are hoping one of them goes postal, so they can shut down all male communities and try to negate the growing knowledge of what their actual ideas are.

Finally you've got the people that give up and kill themselves - these are the people that women have fully broken. Make no mistake, they like these figures being high.

[–]centaursg5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

In my opinion there are few more things that are at play here. Men are losing the battle of life. Many of us dont have good guidance, good job and good self esteem. Teens and many adults waste lot of time in video games and other shit like being SJW etc which are terrible for a person`s development and social skills.. Overall social skills are going down and they dont really have any game left in them..Another factor is stress.. due to being stuck in terrible job that doesnt pay that well, people stress out and skip on this basic human need..

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

How can I read the article when it’s behind a fucking paywall?

[–]The_Red_Trooper5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

80/20 rule is bs. Its actually only 10% of guys who are getting laid with hot women. I can easily bang 10 women a year because I work out 3-5 times a week. Most men are fat and full of soy. Walk in your local Walmart and 90% of guys are fat, dress like shit, shitty posture, etc. I constantly get women looking me up and down. Getting laid has become so easy that the actually chase of sex is better than the actual sex.

[–]quazimodo_0073 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

T levels are crashing in the young you just have to look at them and there physical development. T causes men to have a lot of sex low T low sex drive than add the toxic feminism people say juice isnt worth the squeeze.

[–]antichrist_redpill3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Am I the only one seeing the benefits of this? I mean we have the male sexual imperative of fucking as much women as we can. If you are in the 20% now, you get way more women than 100 years ago. Its hard work but achievable as long as you aren't too short or ugly. The only men that are afraid of this are average men who now don't get any women anymore. They want monogamy because they are insecure and not good enough. Anyways, time to become CHAD T.

[–]22oregon2215 points16 points  (13 children) | Copy

Take me for example. Late 20’s male, make about 110 a year. Live on the 22nd floor in an expensive apartment in a big city. Since Jan 1 I have had sex with 1 woman. She was an HB 8.5 (maybe 9 for some people not used to interacting with good looking woman —it’s subjective, we all know this).

I don’t utilize any of these apps as I know the women on there are either 1. used up 2. utilizing them for self-validation, or 3. trying to find a man with money to fuck over.

I am too busy building MY wealth, lifting hard, reading, meditating, etc to even think about dealing with the crazed liberal women that infest the cities.

My point is, look at me — I have had sex with 1 woman the past 4 months... now replace that with a 20 something year old who makes 28k a year at the Walmart down the road...

Men aren’t to blame for not having sex, it’s the liberal culture, the indoctrinated female youth, the fucking federal reserve system inflating our money away, the destruction of the family, the disrespect of our culture and ignorance of the past... I could go on and on.

My advice — put your head down, learn novel skills that make you valuable and/or salable to someone (or start your own god damn business), make more money, stop porn, cold showers, meditate. Only settle for QUALITY women, stop fucking these “at the wall” fat used up lazy fucking women.

If you are on a dry streak WHO GIVES A FUCK. Lift hard, learn everyday, and set yourself up to not get fucked by the system. The women will flow to you at some point if you get your life in order.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I disagree. Position yourself for pussy if that's what you want

A cocktail bartender gets more pussy than a doctor. A booze cruise worker gets more pussy than a software engineer. Take a gap year in your early twenties, learn that endless pussy isn't fulfilling and then settle into all the stuff this dude is talking about

So many men build themselves into high quality husband material and then wonder why that's all they're getting in interest

[–]Brazilian_Slaughter2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

You seem to have lifw on order. Where are the women?

[–]g0dfather938 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

If you see his schedule it seems spending time with women is not on the list, forget approaching/chasing them. He has his priorities and frankly, good on him.

[–]sexysalsaman1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Making 110k is top 15% How much more does this guy need to get his life in order untill the women "flow." I think income wise there's diminishing returns after 90k. You gotta start focusing on other stuff I guess. Getting better conversation skills and/or fixing your health

[–]g0dfather935 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

better conversation skills and/or fixing your health

I'd say "building MY wealth, lifting hard, reading, meditating" covers those two easily.

Maybe he's not very social. Again, it's not a bad thing at all. Most people are selfish/stupid/outright trashy and take up too much time for too little in return. I call "friends" about 100 people but frankly I'd set aside time/money/effort to actively give a shit about their lives and their problems for like 6 of them, only one of those is a woman (no surprises there), and all of them are school/uni buds. I am barely in touch with those 6 too but it's all good, we can trust each other with our lives and can bank on the other person to be there at the drop of a hat. Other than that, my interaction is only with my immediate family. I cannot imagine actively seeking out human interaction "out there" which is meaningful and actually is worth the time and effort.

The path of u/22oregon22 might be a little lonely but frankly what he's achieving in return is a handsome trade-off. And if he's having a couple of old friends I'd say he's doing the ideal thing.

[–]sexysalsaman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a good response. Thank you

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

bc money doesn't matter.

women are attracted to masculinity and confidence.

no matter how you look from lifting or how much you earn or read or meditate, you still have to be masculine... confident... and know game.

money will get you access sure... but if you're a beta bitch, she will use you and cheat on you.

[–]Pragmaticpandas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Not like you hit 6 figs and ladies throw themself at you lmao

[–]BumblingBeta0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So your advice to focus on yourself, gain "novel skills" (whatever the hell that means), meditate, lift, make money... has all resulted in you fucking just 1 single woman this entire year?

There's your problem. You think by focusing on other areas of your life, women will magically be attracted to you. They will, if those things are actually attractive to the alpha fucks side of hypergamy. Lifting is good for that. Making money, no that just appeals to beta bucks. Novel skills might help. Meditating, no. Cold showers, no. Business, again appeals to beta bucks. You get the point.

It's great that you're self-improving, don't get me wrong, but you need to understand which areas help get you laid and which don't.

[–]22oregon220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus, where do I even start with your contrived drivel...

  1. Lets look at ‘novel skills’ and revisit your vacuous retort “whatever the hell that means.”

—Let me ask you this, what do you do for a living? Why would anyone want to pay you for anything? What makes you marketable? What do you bring to the table? Anyone can work behind a register, dig holes, take my order? What’s novel about you that makes you more valuable than John Doe down the street?

  1. You come across as an individual that most likely sticks his pecker in anything that has a pulse, but let’s assume you have standards and are not one of those ostentatious abundance fratboys.

—Let’s continue... “Resulted in you fucking just 1 single woman this entire year.” So, it is early May, let’s say I am on pace to fuck 2 more women this year which is one hb8 or higher every 4 months (and believe me, I don’t even pay attention to a woman that isn’t hb8 or up). What # should it be in your little world? Please humor me.

  1. “You think that by focusing on other areas of your life women will be magically attracted to you.” The ironic thing is, this is exactly the case. When I am focusing on myself, lifting hard, making money, and in a good mindset the women do flow my way. So yes, this is anecdotal but absolutely the truth.

—I personally think spinning 3 plates at one time is downright illogical for me. I have done this in my early 20’s and it’s not worth my time and downright exhausting. I would rather fuck 3 sexy smoke shows in 1 year than 15 6’s and 7’s — but to each their own.

Believe me bud, I know “which areas can get me laid.” I choose the path of discipline and financial prowess, it works for me. Quality in everything in life is how I live.

I wish you the best. You come off as pretentious, young and immature but I think as you get older you will see the appeal of what I talk about—but like I said do your thing. I respect anyone that has even found TRP because the majority of men are pussies. Good luck to you.

[–]TheImpossible1-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

settle for quality women

Settle as in LTR? That's beta shit. No.

[–]nixon9932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly if i dont have this married woman who i fuck once a week i would burn out.I need sex every fucking day need to go hunting.

[–]finnegans_rainbow2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Economist barely scratches the surface of the problem. The article still ends up blaming men, not acknowledging that TRP was right all along. It's hard to believe that this once-proud magazine used to feature evolutionary psychology regularly in its Science & Technology section, back when Matt Ridley was on board.

[–]beachbbqlover2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let's not discount the economic factors that don't play in to TRP.

Now is an absolutley horrible time to try to have kids, or raise them. The 20 year outlook is almost apocalyptic. It doesn't necessarily define human behavior, but it does influence us.

[–]SouloftheVoid2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

What is really means is the destruction of the traditional nuclear family and the decline of Western civilization. Here's what's in store for people, by group:

Alpha males will be pretty much the only guys getting laid without having to commit to raising another guys kid(s).

Beta males will either become incels, MGTOW, or cucks. The former groups numbers will increase as more men stay virgins throughout their 20's with mass shootings continuing to rise. MGTOW's will also increase as men refuse to be cuckolded by an ever-increasing number of single mothers. There is still be some thirsty dudes who will cuck themselves for leftover women.

Women will have a harder time finding beta bucks and many will die alone and be eaten by their cats or dogs because there are many men would prefer solitude to wifing up an obese single mother.

Kids raised by single mothers will be committing more crimes and further destabilizing society.

[–]throwitdownman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

23% is a high number. Unfortunately, I’m willing to bet the house that the most of them are men.

Look up threads on ‘AskReddit’ with questions like ‘ladies, what was the longest dry spell you’ve had?’. The responses will surprise you.

They are taking about the LONGEST EVER, and very few women reply with > 6months. Most common responses were two weeks, or four weeks. Yes, weeks. Women count in weeks. Men count in years.

With the help of anonymity, there are even female users who type how they are shocked at other women when they claim 6+ month long dry spell.

[–]bouncedeck1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unpopular opinion and stuff, a lot of guys here are fine with 80/20 or 90/10 but its all fun and games till you catch a std. Luckily the two I caught were curable and the two yeast infections were the same. I don't know about you guys but fucking girls with a condom on is not nearly as much fun as without. I am an old fuck (51) and 40+ percent of the chicks my age have herpes. It just isn't worth it.

Edit all the missadventures were in my 20s. My 30s were consumed with my ex and final wife.

[–]F_Dingo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whatever. No sex please? What a load of shit.

I just finished college this past December and will be going back in august for graduate school (masters in accounting). I can't recall a single time where I saw an opening to pursue with a girl on campus. No IOIs, no nothing. At this point, I'm starting to think that sex is a massive scam, as in, it's not real. It doesn't exist in my life and I can't picture myself having it any time soon.

Maybe things will change for me in grad school when I will be living on my own. I don't have high expectations though. It is tough, I'd like to have a family someday and find a good CTO (chief toddler officer), but when you have no experience of any kind with women it's a bit difficult. Maybe we are the generation of men that gets screwed over???

[–]smileyclown 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

The men aged 18-29 out there that haven't had sex in a year or more should be glad. They should be glad because they won't catch any kind of STIDs and not getting a woman pregnant. Sex is all fun, games and shit until either you catch a STID and/or a woman gets pregnant that was unplanned. Be careful out there guys, women like to take advantage of you and make up fake rape stories to screw men over. Also the courts, justice system, favours the women and not the men.

[–]frooschnate18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

This place has turned into some bullshit mgtow copy

[–]nixon9933 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I like to fuck you can jack off if you want

[–]dutchgguy1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

That is really sad news :( I think the government should take action tbh

[–]CptFizz8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Government issued girlfriends when?

[–]dutchgguy0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It would make sense for them to interfere: the more people there are single, the more houses need to be build, which in densely populated areas is far from easy to do. It would also reduce poverty, create some oversight about other people and so on.

I don't know about government issued girlfriends, but it seems people have all this liberty to choose a partner and fail to do so?

[–]CptFizz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have it all wrong son. They want people to be single. Two taxpayers, two apartments, two TV sets, two couches, TWO CONSUMERS.

Some claim that one of the driving forces of feminism is the creation of more taxpayers.

[–]BumblingBeta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's also fewer people having kids. Indigenous populations in virtually all western countries are declining. So it all balances out.

[–]DigitalDog00012 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Im less concerned with how little they have as I am the fact they don't seem to want to.

[–]MilkMoney11111 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think a lot of them don't really see the point. I see it first hand in a lot of my classmates. They're surrounded by massively inflated egos of women who are maybe a 6/10 and are just unpleasant to be around. They could simply go home and satisfy themselves with a 9/10 and no headache. That and no one is teaching these men to be men anymore. Something happened and they're all pushovers and soft. Women play them accordingly.

[–]Vikingcel1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, they definitely want to, they just cannot. No guy sees a pretty chick and thinks that he would rather jack off to porn.

[–]geo_gan1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Can’t read article. Behind paywall. If you want to link articles make sure we can fucking read them.

[–]BumblingBeta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, just click the cross on your browser before the page fully loads. That's what everyone does to get round these things.

[–]knightydk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Now, isn't this just a even bigger advantage for the guys here trying to improve themselves, game, and smv since let's be honest 90% of guys most likely are having casual sex. Infact, it should make the game even easier

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd also assert people arguing in favor of "no-fap" (in terms of porn being the problem vs less sex to go around) aren't helping.

[–]HitMan88110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Read this he other day super fascinating

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Remember the 80/20 rule. It's mostly men in this group. I read it was only around 15% women and nearly 30% of men who are sexless in this age group.

[–]rombios0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I recently finished reading a book called "the beta male revolution". why men are opting out of the dating/marriage market.

I, like most of my buddies are divorced fathers. We often discuss red-pill issues when we gather (bar, gym, pta meetings). A lot of us being awakened during the time our marriages were terminated, getting rail-roaded by the family courts then discovering redpill and the mano-sphere.

One point a buddy of mine made about the classification of "BETA" is described below.

These so called BETA guys or the BETA mentality are the engines of society. Think about it for a sec

  1. the smartphones in our hands and the hardware and software they are composed of arent designed by people banging 20 chicks a month
  2. the cruise missiles, guidance systems, long range bombers, nuclear weapons arent being designed and built by dudes slinging pussy daily
  3. architecture of roads/bridges, invention of modern conveniences like microwave ovens, dish washers, lawn mowers, tv sets, pcs, internet etc etc arent the sort of things someone on a daily pussy diet is dreaming of, inventing.

What happens if a bunch of these guys "check out" of improving things in society/civilization as a whole ? Figuring since there is no perceived "reward " due to hypergamy and the 90/10 or 80/20 rule that favors certain physical attributes over others ...

For the record I believe there are "alpha" and "beta" traits (physical and mental) in all of us. One or the other dominates in a particular person (example - 6ft built dude who is a coward or 5ft scrawny dude with the heart of a lion). Some things you can control (diet, stamina, muscle mass, gaining more knowledge and skills and raising your earning potential) others you cant (height, limits to muscle mass, facial structure, IQ?)

Ultimately being a strong man is about constantly improving yourself at the physical and mental level, as much as you can



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