Your Personal Abyss, and How to Escape

vfb14 · 2019-05-21T20:22:06+00:00

Some external truths, are universal truths... and for some people who are highly self aware... overcoming said abyss might be more of a struggle.

Soon_As_I_Nut · 2019-05-21T21:34:03+00:00

Increase your value by doing things. Just do it. Do it now. Do not wait until tomorrow, do it right now.

marjeh · 2019-05-21T20:52:08+00:00

"Our perceived reality is exactly what we are. It is your perception, and yours alone, that decides whether you have meaning or not."

This.

_ernesto5 · 2019-05-21T22:17:58+00:00

I escaped the Abyss by realizing that life's hardships are just the shit tests of the gods. Shit tests to see if I really have what it takes to become the man I intend to be.

andreas-mgtow · 2019-05-21T23:55:31+00:00

Beware, that when pursuing Pussy, you yourself do not become a PussyWorshiper... for when you gaze into gynocentric sexual market, you are internalizing it as well...

But of course, we won't learn anything, because "alpha" and "lift" and "frame"....

Be the bestest house ngger and hope Massa chooses you and you "win".

[deleted] · 2019-05-21T22:43:20+00:00

Best to define your own constitution and moral code. Anyone that goes against your constitution is your enemy. A man is best defined in the face of opposition and when he treads towards fear on a consistent basis. In order to be well balanced, you need polarity -- both good and evil: which you will define, as life itself is defined only through the existence of death, as is heaven only defined through the existence of hell.

Best way to help shape your moral code is to observe the harsh realities of nature itself: see how animals flock together when it's best for their safety, see why they fight when it's beneficial for their survival. Use this for your personal advantage, as man itself is mammal.

It's best to realize mother nature is working against you, rather than with you. These walls of civilization offer a protection of the true harsh realities of nature -- it's wolf eats wolf outside our walls of comfort: it's best to take these harsh realities and apply that to the confinements of civilization.

Distractingyou · 2019-05-22T05:01:46+00:00

What i know Is that pure hedonism makes life feel so meaningless i wanted to kill myself, the japanese had a really good point in the meaning of life for them in 4 things. Do what you like to do, what you ought it do (for me this was the most important for me it means in the coming future i want to use my inteligence to help in the infinite study of genetics), work at what you are good for and something related to help people or i don't remember

Just Google the 4 circle meaning of life japanese people

Coroshi · 2019-05-21T22:45:55+00:00

In a sea of wrong interpretations of Nietzsche, it's always refreshing to see someone who understood him. The quote about a demon is the core of Nietzschean affirmation, which is the very concept that pulled me out of the abyss. Great post.

Cheddar_Curtain · 2019-05-22T03:32:25+00:00

This is some quality TRP content. Why? Because although you may not agree with how OP is defining his idea, you're at least thinking about why you believe that. Healthy debate is good, it helps define things and lay out ideas you may not have considered.

This post is meta, and you can't successfully exude the self confidence that is so attractive to women without fixing yourself FIRST. I see too many guys here that are trying to fill some sort of hole (no pun intended) that is missing in their lives by trying to fuck everything that walks up to them.

I was that way for a long time. I was bored, it became sport. Did I have fun? Yeah, of course. But I was masking deep rooted anxieties and depressions. But now I'm over that.

How did I get over that cycle? Start reading more books. Buddhism, business advice, philosophy, biographies, self help, all of it. Read more, take notes, write down goals. Try to keep all negativity and negative people out of the equation. Meditate, think. Quit staring at screens 24-7 and having your 'social' life revolve around social media. Start calling people and mailing them letters again. Exercise, lift weights.

I could go on but I'm a bore ass. The point is to make yourself '100' before expecting any respectable hot woman to want to fuck you regularly.

parkerfiveone · 2019-05-21T21:24:01+00:00

Kind of stuff I've been thinking lately, but it seems the mental fodder of a madman at times. It's a lot to think about, but it motivates, so I guess it isn't a total waste of time.

stirringlion · 2019-05-22T03:25:08+00:00

Thank god reddit quarantined this sub - such toxic behaviour and discussion going on here....

Dumb fuuuuucks.

simplecountry_lawyer · 2019-05-22T07:55:13+00:00

The Nietzsche quote really hit me hard. In my case the "demon" was an imaginary portal to 10 years prior. Would I enter? Knowing all that I know now? Would I relive my life? The answer was an emphatic yes. But I understand the symbolism now.

There is no going back, you can only be who you are in any given moment. The goal is to progress as someone who wouldn't change a thing because they'd infused their life with meaning and any reversion to the former would be a setback, nothing more. Incredibly eye opening. To draw a line in the sand, and acknowledge that hence yes I might desire a change, but forth? No, forth I shall enact what meaning I might into my life and any repetiiton would be redundant and inconsequential, as I'd now be wholeheartedly pursuing my personal meaning from a defined moment rather than passively disengaging. Nihilism has plagued me these past weeks, this is the first light I've been able to glimpse since. I hope my dreams are peaceful tonight.

scissor_me_timbers00 · 2019-05-22T11:21:15+00:00

I mean, your internal reality, or perception, or frame (same thing), still needs to comport somewhat with reality tho. For example, part of what is causing these 21 convention dudes to make such asses of themselves is that they just think they are maintaining frame in the face of criticism.

This has always been something that has bothered me. Should you hold to “your reality” if everyone else is laughing at you? When does that become solipsistic fantasy? I mean I understand the importance of irrational confidence but fuck man, you don’t want to be the dungeons and dragons kid speaking The Elven language because he’s oblivious to what’s actually cool. Or the 21 convention dude promoting cuckholding as a “manifestation of his will.”

Anyway I’m always a fan of the high brow nietzsche posts, but it’s an important thing to be able to distinguish the difference between “holding frame” to “your reality” and doubling down on stupid. The democrat media is making complete fools of themselves doubling down on russia collusion. But in their minds they are holding frame. I’ve always been fascinated by how and where to draw the line with this stuff.

Wabbajak · 2019-05-22T13:43:53+00:00

The Stoics go over this in depth. "It's not the things causing distress but rather how we interpret those things."

"If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment." -Marcus Aurelius

Or a more modern account by Victor Frankl:

"Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom."

To add more to this: A similarly helpful concept that is mentioned a lot in self-help books is teleology. It is a key concept of Adlerian psychology:

teleology: the explanation of phenomena in terms of the purpose they serve rather than of the cause by which they arise.

Basically, it states that people use "past trauma" (e.g. an accident, the way you have been mistreated by parents/ex-gfs/teachers etc.) unconsciously as an etiological scapegoat to which they can ascribe all of their problems.

"I can't improve my life because my parents raised me in a way I wasn't happy with and mistreated me and thus I'm handicapped."
"I can't connect with anyone because my ex broke my heart.
"I can't become physically fit and healthy because I was bullied as a child and it destroyed my self-esteem."

These seem like entirely logical things to conclude via cause and effect (etiology). However, teleology states that the reason why we acually think this way and allow the past to affect us in this way is largely because we have an unconscious goal that the trauma is allowing us to continue to achieve. It allows us to sit in a familiar discomfort, which ironically ends up feeling comfortable.

A past trauma is nothing but a life-lie: an etiological reason that you hold onto in order to justify why you continue to refuse to be emotionally available, why you refuse to take positive steps in your life, why you refuse to hit the gym. The key is to essentially deny the trauma. Not that it happened, but that it cannot be an etiological cause. Rather you must find a goal that transcends the ability of the trauma toseve as etiology.

LoneStarG84 · 2019-05-21T21:53:32+00:00

I have no idea what this post is trying to say.

To accept a different reality than what you know to be true is the very definition of being blue-pilled.

Short-changedChad · 2019-05-22T03:09:20+00:00

“If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.”

Theguygotgame777 · 2019-05-22T03:56:33+00:00

Very well-written and well-argued essay, but I disagree with it because I don't believe in this "external truth" you acknowledge.

I don't believe life is meaningless; I believe in God, and that by worshipping Him and doing good works I can be with Him forever. Religion is another way of finding one's masculinity- all is according to God's plan, so there's no reason to be afraid of, or answer to any Earthly authority that contradicts His commands.

meowgoesdog · 2019-05-21T22:42:42+00:00

TLDR: We shouldn't avoid taking objective approaches towards life, it can leave us delusional and dysfunctional in the way we think and act. Action have consequences, sometimes the same action leave you with the same consequence over and over, these patterns become "universal truths" (Doing X will lead to Y), they are valuable!

Generally I like your reasoning, but it is perhaps a tad bit too philosophical to be completely true. We don't completely get to control our internal beliefs, we are born with instincts, desires, fear for certain animals, situations, all these things don't at first glace look like "truths" but they are all based in reasoning that we hold to be true, the reason we are inherently scared of snakes is because it is a "truth" that snakes are dangerous to us, and will want to eat us up, yummy. Also we have the whole thing with behaviorism, which also fucks with the whole "Our own controlled perception is what determines action" reasoning, basically to sum it up if you havn't read into it, sure perception will affect the way we behave, and sure we can alternate the things we wanna believe and the things we choose to be worthless, but our actual behavior and how our behavior affects us will also slide itself into the foundations of our perception, for example if you leave a certain bar getting laid everytime, this will make you integrate the truth "going to bar X will probably get me laid!", leading to you going there more often. They key point here is you don't always control the last part of that sentence (will probably get me laid), it was completely up to the girls hanging out at that bar at the time you visited if they wanted you on top of them that night or not. So here we see how consequences (in the way people react and reward/punish us for our action) will lead to us either either integrating either "Bar x will probably get me laid" or "Bar x will probably make me go home alone", so we don't actually have complete control of the way we choose to perceive the world (ultimately it is because as long as we have a goal, and as long as that goal has to do with things outside of our control, we will in one way or another, have to adapt to those things).

Also universal truths are basically the sum of many internal truths being the same thing at the same time in history, universal truths are valueable since for something to become universal it should be valueable, for example it is smart to follow the universal truth that jumping of a building will probably leave you dead. Reality does have a lot to do with how we perceive things, reality is the ballpark where we try to see if our ball bounces the way it should, it is the bar we go out to try the advice we read on here, if we follow your logic to the maximum (internal beliefs > objective reality) we might end up getting denied 100 times but leave the bar smiling thinking "All those girls denied me because they just got scared of how sexy I was! I gotta start letting myself go a bit...". We gotta try and be objective (choosing the normative belief/attitude towards X over your own internal one) if we want to improve.

StoicTrader1 · 2019-05-21T22:48:38+00:00

timing of this is interesting. the weekend and beginning to this week have been challenging for me

Nergaal · 2019-05-22T02:02:29+00:00

Transcendence is the antonym of nihilism

AKnightAlone · 2019-05-22T04:44:04+00:00

Nietzsche, in Beyond Good and Evil is well known for this quote:

Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.

Considering my dating experiences have felt particularly futile lately, I find it to be an interesting coincidence that I set my Tinder bio as a reference to this quote:

Be careful when battling monsters and while gazing long in the abyss; I'd thought I kept my feet in place, but I don't know where this place is.

Nathaestion · 2019-05-22T09:06:59+00:00

The rest of your life starts now. Now. Now.

ThinSpiritual · 2019-05-22T09:07:19+00:00

I want to be so powerful that I am my island.

INNASKILLZ2K18 · 2019-05-22T09:32:59+00:00

I like this post. The abyss. Man, I don't envy people stuck in it.

I've been eternally grateful that the course of my life has provided me my own internal meaning. I think it really does separate men from boys.

I'm not really sure how to put it in captivating articulate language, I prefer to 'feel' and give into intuition now. In my experience, the healthiest thing psychologically and emotionally, has been to make my meaning myself. And others.

I suffered 12 years in drug addiction, and was in the most fucked up position 4 years ago. Utterly destroyed. To rebuild and somehow turn everything around, to where I now work with other addicts in early recovery, is an astounding feeling.

There is something about a journey of self-growth, overcoming obstacles and personal expansion, which also is an example for other people...that is deeply deeply satisfying.

We are powerful, as humans. Honestly, we are largely untapped beings capable of some pretty amazing experiences. We've just been dumbed down so much. So many stuck in a rat race, and brainwashed.

I believe, maybe, that life is a journey. So much to truly overcome and survive. It's when you have a level of mastery over the journey, and lead others walking the same paths you have, that a huge sense of meaning comes through.

If I was just stuck chasing money, sitting behind a desk, rotting away like so many, I'd kill myself. To wake up every day and know that whatever things I'm working on personally, I get to go in and share with 30 to 40 people who desperately need to change their life, is in incredible.

The number one thing I've realised, is that our meaning is NOT to fill the pockets of some other fuck-wit we'll never meet. Waiting for the weekend or holiday that's so disappointing because we know we have to 'come back'.

Men lead, by example.

greatslyfer · 2019-05-22T10:38:46+00:00

It just doesn't make sense that there is a thing such as purpose, I think it is an emotionally reached conclusion of what is just an evolution-driven mechanism to promote behaviour that would make your life better in terms of resources.

You could say "Yeah but why is it going for those resources?" and think that there is a "purpose" behind the acquisition of those resources, but it just does not naturally follow, it could be. I view it similar to the ascertainment of the cause of the universe's existence, just because you don't know what created it doesn't for sure mean it must be a result of a god. Thinking that it does seems to me like an emotionally reached conclusion to not make you unsure of the world or in this case the universe you live in, hence the similarity to the purpose concept.

St_Eroid · 2019-05-22T11:45:38+00:00

This really spoke to me, exactly what I needed. Cheers my friend

Flynn-Lives · 2019-05-22T16:17:00+00:00

Very well written and intelligent post. Much better than that "bro morality isn't real" shit from the other day.

capillary_angioma · 2019-05-27T22:27:21+00:00

Sounds like post modernism

canadianhousecoat · 2019-06-04T01:45:19+00:00

I'm in a pretty heavy place right now personally and professionally. This helped.

Thank you very much.

red_philosopher · 2019-05-21T21:25:23+00:00

Since ChatterHearse didn't follow my Kurtygaytard advice years ago and this sess pitt is still yet to produce life on mars, I'll give you The truth and nothing but the rhetorical deception coveted by my Danish idol: people strive for coherence and the legitimacy of their comprehension - but the tools are suspect; so "People" fail in both and end up reverting to an animal faith in which zeros do not and can not exist. "And you can too!" But I recommend philosophy as literature (like Turgev's Father's and Sons) anyhow, as it's sort of fun fucking with words. And if you're not yet convinced, take a look at all the world's true alphas who respect Laws and Constitutions and shit categorical imperatives; and then, maybe you'll finally stop worrying about the acceptable levels of flamboyance in peacocks and other dandies and noticed girls speak prettier with "encouragement" from real things not said ... or, what the hell is an abyss anyhow? Anyone? Everyone?

scissor_me_timbers00 · 2019-05-21T22:59:00+00:00

This is that pussy "be better" fuckshit. Become the monster.

RiskyRewarder · 2019-05-23T06:53:24+00:00

Struggle for meaning? The abyss? Wtf? Enjoy life and get your hamster out of its wheel. There is no great secret to discover. Just conquer this world, as a man, in a way that gives your pleasure and satisfaction.

SouthernOhioRedsFan · 2019-05-22T03:35:41+00:00

Just about the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Go back to Sunday school, faggot! Nihilism is the undeniable true nature of reality, external or internal, and any attempts to reject are as meaningless as everything else is.

Your Personal Abyss, and How to Escape

The Struggle for Meaning

What Is the Abyss?

Internal vs External Truth and Perception

Escaping the Abyss

Do not Abide the Abyss

Title	Your Personal Abyss, and How to Escape
Author	red_philosopher
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Date	May 21, 2019 7:18 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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