With women all over the world seeking there right to have an abortion or keep the child shouldn’t men also have the right to choose if there going to be a father or devote any resources to said child?

GirTheRobot · 2019-06-12T23:03:51+00:00

Bill Burr had a rant about this recently that's pretty funny.

Woman: "My body, my choice."
Man: "But I want to keep the kid."

Judge: "Well you're kinda SOL there buddy."

Woman: "I feel like having this baby."

Man: "Well I wanted no part of that to begin with and I made that clear so leave me out of it."

Judge: "Tough shit bud. It takes two to tango. It's your responsibility now. Man up."

But yes OP, you're right. The only people saying what you're saying are men's rights activists...Which is why we need the MRA movement (among other reasons)

gjproflip · 2019-06-12T22:11:02+00:00

I betcha all the guys here agree with you, but it’s never going to be this way. You best bet is using condoms and pulling out and not bringing this up in public or in conversation

Auvergnat · 2019-06-13T00:08:24+00:00

Every personal and societal issue has built-in trade-offs. Any opinion/solution about any issue has good and bad consequences. But if a particular solution has only good benefits for you (while the bad consequences are for others) then it’s a no brainer which one you’re going to advocate for. Now the trick is to advocate for it in a way that ignore/downplay the bad consequences for the party you’re not.

If you’re a fertile woman, abortion is “mostly good” (up for debate since these women are part of the society and that society is the one that lose in that proposition according to certain views, but the more individual freedom for these women the better for them, in theory) while allowing men “financial abortion” is definitely only bad. So as a fertile woman you’ll advocate for abortion and against financial abortion, and make sure that you use all possible Machiavellian tactics (shaming, seducing, bad faith, deflecting, selecting facts, rewording, etc) to support your case.

So in summary, yeah you’re right, but being right doesn’t matter in that game. You’re like a husband trying to use logic in an argument with a wife that uses powertalk and other manipulating devices. You may feel smug with the certainty of your logic, but you’re effectively severely outgunned and not seeing it. The fact that in today’s societies, abortion laws are widespread and accepted (a few US states excepted where’re they’re trying to turn back the clock) while financial abortion is not even discussed or considered seriously should be all the evidence you need to realise that men and their logic are tragically outgunned.

Hexatrixx · 2019-06-12T21:58:22+00:00

They’re called financial abortions, and they should become a common option for men who don’t want to be forced to pay child support for a kid they don’t want.

dojurynullification · 2019-06-13T02:10:23+00:00

My sperm, my choice!

But since that's not going to work; my vasectomy, your loss!

Get back in the driver's seat guys, this is the only way.

rambler429 · 2019-06-13T01:23:29+00:00

UNTIL women can ASEXUALLY reproduce, the man should at least have a say in the matter.

Cametotherightplace · 2019-06-12T23:24:04+00:00

Of course we should, but good luck having society and the courts agree. Don't waste your time thinking about things we can't control. What you can control is who you stick your dick in and the use of condoms.

TyroneTheDriver · 2019-06-12T22:03:31+00:00

Yeah this is called opting out of paternity, which would make sense in a world of real equality, but we live in a fem centric world, and this makes people angry.

I whole heartedly agree with you. If it’s her body and her choice, it should also be your wallet, your choice.

Shootereto · 2019-06-12T21:49:17+00:00

Yeah you can do that. It's called cum and go.

Jokes aside... you are the seed so it's your problem where you plant it.

Ricky469 · 2019-06-13T01:35:00+00:00

Vasectomy, solves this problem. Still use a condom for STDs. Make sure to get a sperm check every couple of year to check for recanalization. It's my badybincontrolmit and it's my private business.

MattyAnon · 2019-06-13T11:40:01+00:00

With women all over the world seeking there right to have an abortion or keep the child shouldn’t men also have the right to choose if there going to be a father or devote any resources to said child?

Morally: absolutely yes.

Practically this won't happen because everyone supports women and children need to be paid for. In short: men get screwed.

SICFJC · 2019-06-13T04:08:57+00:00

their*

fuckiingwen · 2019-06-13T01:51:47+00:00

it should definitely be a mutual thing to bring a life into the world, if both parents aren’t on board it should be a no-go.

27cloud · 2019-06-13T02:56:58+00:00

My coworker left the country to avoid paying for his wife's sudden desire to keep the "accidental" pregnancy.

dirtymerks5 · 2019-06-13T09:17:42+00:00

Ok let me try and clarify. The issue isn’t the actual lack of a condom. Self insemination, pin prick condoms, split condoms, spillage etc. This is after the fact.

An interesting observation from this thread is, should the male choose to not devote any resources he’s demonised not only by females but also other men within this very thread although the same level off disapproval is not held for the women who choose abortion.

Velebit · 2019-06-13T11:43:55+00:00

We who are aware of mens interests are a tiny minority, majority of men and almost all of women are for the other thing. The thing that you describe or a gynocentric world. Like vaGINA the GYNOcentric worldview is from the perspective of women.

When most women and majority of men want to serve womens interests, in a democratic world, it is difficult to do anything for men. That is why you see patriarchy in basically all undemocratic countries. Because when all you can do is talk and half of those who talk wants something and the other half are divided, talking won't do shit.

You gotta have the hardest motherfuckers out there yelling, shooting and marching around so the bitches cower in fear and can go fuck themselves with their democratic flaws.

sircomeseyesd · 2019-06-12T23:27:38+00:00

Get the male birth control pill

redpilllogin · 2019-06-12T23:38:05+00:00

Their, they're, and there. Please learn the difference.

Irtotallynotrobot · 2019-06-13T00:11:15+00:00

When there is a double standard, there is an underlying single standard that truly governs.

thechaosz · 2019-06-13T03:57:17+00:00

Ryabemo · 2019-06-13T09:06:13+00:00

Use a condom. Problem solved. Or just don’t cum in her. Another solution.

Don’t ever trust a woman when it comes to that, not even one that you think you trust because that’s how unwanted pregnancies start.

SwoleyMoleyFrijoley · 2019-06-13T13:45:09+00:00

Men will never have reproductive rights. Society will not allow it. Your only right is to become sterile. Even that meets resistance because if you're sterile you can't be plugged into the endless provider cycle

Terdmuffin · 2019-06-13T15:48:22+00:00

Men should focus more on having Safer sex and not knocking up women they don't want to raise kids with than how to ditch kids they don't want. Women aren't solely to blame for fatherless children. Your choice should be to not impregnate a woman in the first place. If you can't deal with the consequences of sex then maybe you should be a little more discerning about who you have it with and how.

friggandfrayed · 2019-06-13T15:50:29+00:00

This is exactly why the state needs to keep their hands out of inter-personal relationships. That power should go back to the hands of the father, then the husband. Only way to restore the patriarchy and get our shit society out of this.

SirAttackHelicopter · 2019-06-13T16:06:41+00:00

No, this movement is in direct contradiction to men's rights. IF they truly wanted things equal, they would have said "our choice our rights".

[deleted] · 2019-06-13T17:20:23+00:00

Personal responsibility should be for NONE

Or for ALL

Might as well let em ban abortion

DigitalDog0001 · 2019-06-13T19:00:01+00:00

Bedtimeshine · 2019-06-13T20:43:15+00:00

Nope. Control what comes out of your dick and/or where it goes. And nobody should be able to make a woman have a kid she doesn’t want. Not only should abortion be universally legal... it should be free.

Anaxamandrous · 2019-06-13T01:04:51+00:00

Why can't we just murder anyone we want to? Why only fight over who gets to murder the unborn?

Banjaiel · 2019-06-13T00:45:40+00:00

Their choice is not sleeping with someone they can impregnate. There are consequences on both side.

Or, apparently there was a birth control for guys that killed their sperm. But men repressed it. So.. go thank your pals.

maljo24 · 2019-06-12T23:56:14+00:00

Don't want to be a father? Keep your dick in your pants.

If you want to be a father have sex with a woman who wants to be a mother.

Women don't tell you want to do with your body, don't tell them what to do with theirs.

discmillrecords · 2019-06-13T10:58:42+00:00

The solution is simple. No sex outside of marriage. As God intended.

I've got a co-worker who has a very colored past, but has been sober and celebate for 3 years. This is someone who's advice carrys weight.

Expand your social circle.

QuantumSpecter · 2019-06-12T21:51:49+00:00

Youre phrasing this kind of weird. Are you saying that, if i made the mistake of knocking up a women and getting her pregnant- that i should have the choice of being the father or not?

Sounds kinda irresponsible to me. Its different if i get divorced from someone but still have everything taken away from me and then i have to pay an overwhelming amount of child support. Stuff like that should be split down the middle.

Plus its different in this case, abortion, where another person is not letting you do something with your own body.

GottiPlays · 2019-06-13T12:29:07+00:00

Honestly i disagree, think how you envision a society like that? We already have huge issues with unwanted childs ending up in fucked up relationships, what would happen if you leave childs with mothers that can't afford school etc.

NextForever · 2019-06-13T00:54:48+00:00

Ehhh, giving birth is straight torture for some and a grueling/taxing process for months. You can't force someone through that. Or at-least, I wouldn't be okay having myself subject to similar pain if I wasn't ready; so I try to empathize with pro-choice women, despite the saddening aspects of taking a potential life. It just is how it is. Imagine your LTR demanding that you give birth that is too hot/nice to break up with, but should never raise your kid. That would be some straight bullshit!

thechaosz · 2019-06-13T00:55:48+00:00

No.

Life isn't fair.

Stop ruminating over it.