Why do women despise RedPillers yet despite men who do not understand women, when RedPillers clearly understand women at the core and use this knowledge properly?

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Title Why do women despise RedPillers yet despite men who do not understand women, when RedPillers clearly understand women at the core and use this knowledge properly?
Author nicyhasreddit
Upvotes 119
Comments 137
Date 02 July 2019 12:25 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/244156
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/c88lwi/why_do_women_despise_redpillers_yet_despite_men/
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[–]SemperPrimus229 points230 points  (25 children) | Copy

For a woman, ideally you would be a high status, good looking beta not aware of your own value. Trp exposes hypergamy which is why women have a problem with it.

[–]ugluk197 points98 points  (20 children) | Copy

prince Harry, lol

[–]electricspresident75 points76 points  (19 children) | Copy

Man that guy is the weakest top 1%er I've ever seen. Learning of the whole story behind how Meghan got that retard down in 1 knee really makes me laugh. Then again he could be smashing hotties on the side under the covers so I stop laughing

[–]topmatrixgun12 points13 points  (17 children) | Copy

What's the story? Could you provide me a link of a video or article so that I can know what you are talking about?

[–]electricspresident66 points67 points  (11 children) | Copy

Google it. Any UK website has that story and is similar all around so there's definitely truth to it.

Basically Meghan, a known but "under the covers" whore in the Hollywood industry was going around asking her friends to hitch her up with an English dude SPECIFICALLY. After getting introduced to Harry via a friend at a party she GHOSTED all other low-tier friends of hers who SHE asked to look for an eligible bachelors for her.

This woman was literally hunting for a hubby. And when she got Harry she locked that shit down so tight this dude got down on 1 knee real fast.

By her actions, rumors and cutting her dad out of her life you can tell she manipulated the whole thing easy.

I mean to get a prince down on 1 knee that fast...damn

They can't even divorce but he can continue fucking side chicks while she can't, else she'll get Diana-d or so the story goes.

[–]umizumiz23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol Dad tried to warn him, too.

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy

That old queen don't like her one bit. She might end up road paste like princess Di.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women know when other women are playing men from a mile away

[–]User-31f64a4e7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Queen doesn't like Markle, but is seen friendly and smiling and laughing with Trump.

I always thought she was an old bitch, but I see now that maybe she isn't so bad after all!

[–]RelucBeam4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is just bullshit lol.

The Queen is seen smiling and looking very cheerful with Markle, too.

You're just filtering the facts to appease your own agenda.

[–]topmatrixgun17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you. I don't think I'm going to waste any more time googling about them. You have said enough.

It doesn't matter if someone is the prince or the king. Ignorant blue pill men are just like that.

[–]party_dragon6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

He's not going to be King. Just a side branch of the family. In 20 years noone will care about him, or her.

[–]electricspresident0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]VigilantSmartbomb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wowww!!!! I’m throwed lol

[–]dojurynullification0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Was she really ho-in? Or was she just the town bike? Curious!

[–]electricspresident0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hoe-in like your regular girl who sleeps with famous people to get on the inside. She did sleep with some peeps early in career but not to get on Suits. This I know for like 95% rumor.

This was your classic black girl with ambition and self confidence. Also incredibly manipulative to get what they want which fyi here at Redpill is not to be considered wrong.

Shes the type that hides her hoe-ness well. Props to her for achieving her sexual strategy

[–]babybopp12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

He went down on one knee to the parents asking for their daughter in marriage. She fished a good one.

[–]AdeHMar49 points50 points  (2 children) | Copy

LMAO imagine being a fucking prince and you bend the knee to some actress bitch. Jesus.

[–]omega_dawg9326 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's cringe shit but it likely makes every woman who reads the story wet like a river.

ultimate VALIDATION!

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Princess Di was a virgin but she still cheated on Charles hella.

[–]theboldmind1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Id like that too

[–]satellite7790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

More like top 0.01%er

[–]TheNotoriousKing12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

This, women want men to just get it, since that’s essentially what natural alpha’s are. They shreek at the thought of a beta tricking their hypergamy

[–]TheNotoriousKing10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Further more, women want beta men to be in the dark about the alpha fucks beta bucks side of things so that they can settle down with the beta post wall, he is essentially there back up for provisioning and if the guy learns about the red pill thats at risk.

[–]EnemyAsmodeus4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well also though the thought of being manipulated by a psychopath analyzing her moves and having a bag of tricks ready.

Also it dispels the myth that hot girls are innocent. They're all guilty of all sorts of sluttery out of pure shallowness of big-attractive-men.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha so a Beta Fucks?

[–]robotlasagna104 points105 points  (16 children) | Copy

There’s two things going on here. First Women aren’t super happy with the red pill philosophy because once they start to understand it they realize it evens out the power dynamic in the dating process. Nobody likes anything that causes them to have less power. At the same time one should note that women will still be attracted to a man that follows TRP correctly even when they know he is using said philosophy and they know this because in the end attractiveness is what matters.

Second there is a shit ton of immature misogyny that surrounds TRP mostly coming from angry young dudes that have found this philosophy but don’t really understand it. The misogyny is super unattractive to women.

Women aren’t things; they are people who you want to get to know also have sex with but they have essentially been lied to and told things will mostly come easy and also they aren’t allowed to want sex. TRP isn’t adversarial but rather the behavioral workaround that lets both men and women get what they want.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women also don’t like the truth of what they want being stripped out, makes them seem shallow and that they lack agency.

[–]EnemyAsmodeus6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well also being exposed to the truth that they are at the mercy of their own emotions and not making sound rational decisions when it comes to dating.

It's like shoving a mirror in front of a narcissistic leader who thinks he can do no wrong and exposing all his flaws.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep. And women are treated as the more intelligent sex when it comes to dating

Men are the ones who get put down for wanting tits and ass. But men are honest about what we like for the most part

[–]AwakenedSovereign4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well said

[–]Greaterbird4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

The misogyny is super unattractive to women.

That's the rub, isn't it? You have to love that women are crazy.

[–]robotlasagna9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well it’s the type of misogyny: there’s “hey baby bring that cute butt over and let me see it” misogyny that (if done right ) women respond to. Then there’s Ike Turner “Shut up bitch! Smack!” Misogyny that’s pretty bad but that’s not even the issue here...

TRP misogyny is “I brought the thing back to my place and it’s not working correctly. I followed all the instructions and everything. Is there a firmware update or something I can do?”

It’s like I get that a lot of dudes are coming from a background of not having good social skills and maybe that’s where we can fault TRP because it assumes guys have these as a foundation. Maybe the first thing that should be taught is “here is how you talk to girls without being weird or creepy”

[–]Project_Zero_Betas6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well it’s the type of misogyny: there’s “hey baby bring that cute butt over and let me see it” misogyny that (if done right ) women respond to.

That's not misogyny, that's possessiveness, and if done by the right guy (read: someone the girl is actually in to), they find it REALLY attractive.

It’s like I get that a lot of dudes are coming from a background of not having good social skills and maybe that’s where we can fault TRP because it assumes guys have these as a foundation.

This is definitely the main problem in these subs.

[–]Greaterbird1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

“here is how you talk to girls without being weird or creepy”

Most of that is just getting out there and failing enough to no longer be invested in the outcome, but I'd agree that more writing on the matter would be good. Sometimes it gets like trying to learn to ride a bike by reading book after book about how to ride bikes.

A big part of creepiness comes from being inauthentic, and I feel like Models by Mark Manson handles that side of things well.

[–]theboldmind2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

So would you then use the word “plate”?

[–]omega_dawg9318 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

you can use plate... they refer to their male orbiters as, "being in the bull pen."

we spin plates for sex... they stockpile a bull pen for attention a/o validation.

our #1 plate may get a relationshit... their #1 orbiter may get some pussy. let the games begin!!!

[–]robotlasagna3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I mean I personally wouldn’t use the word “plate”...I would just say something like “talking to girls” or “talking to women”

However the concept “spinning plates” does very eloquently describe what you are supposed to be doing in terms of keeping communication open with many women at once. It is an excellent analogy.

But yes the way most dudes are like “i got this plate that I’m talking to” I literally imagine the guy is talking about a piece of Corelle dinner ware.

[–]Senior Endorsedmax_peenor1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

red pill philosophy

I prefer to call it Red Pill Reality. Theory works too. We don't really have a dogma.

[–]NickA971 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

In what world does philosophy = dogma?

[–]Senior Endorsedmax_peenor0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

When you right it down as canon. We don't do that.

[–]NickA970 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think calling it a philosophy means that we have a dogma. We do have a philosophy with many branches, narratives and even myths, and there's a constant debate going on that has made it evolve.

Plus we do have a canon, which is the sidebar. It's subject to change and evolution, which is the opposite of a dogma, but certainly many of our tenets are not subject to change, like our disbelief in unicorns (AWALT) and the importance of frame, among many others. That's the price of holding a stance.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The correct answer.

[–]FollowerTRP25 points26 points  (5 children) | Copy

Others forgot to mention or point it out clearly - the idea is that you should display all the high status/TRP/alpha male values (you name it) naturally.

TRP teaches you these values, so you are not a "natural alpha" which female desires. You "cheat" their subconcious verification system by learning those things. This is also the reason why when you are improving or changing attitude the shit tests intensify and become more frequent in comparison with someone who always naturally displayed "alpha" attitude

EDIT: I do not agree with guys here that this is all about power shift etc. It is the same as you see 8/10 on photos and you meet her IRL to see she is ugly. You feel like a fool.

Same with TRP. If you do not internalize values here and use it for hooking up/relationships only, the female will expose you at some point (BREAKING FRAME). That's why the working on habits, yourself and improving never stops. Faking it or memorizing lines/scenarios will not help you in the long run

[–]bluefingerblue5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is why frame is so important. You can display these things initially, but if you keep breaking frame, the jig is up and they know you’re a faker. And this is exactly why they keep testing you. To determine if you’re the real deal or a fraud.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hence LTRs are red pill on hard mode. A true natural alpha might be ok. But to go from the alpha who can get a new chick every week to the alpha who can lead a family unit and still smash that puss on the reg can be challenging

[–]therealbigoso0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Honestly, who - of the eligible single males sitting pretty in middle class America - is really a true, natural Alpha male in 2019? I say this rhetorically.

Because most of us have shit for father figures (sorry dad). That’s where knowledge is typically passed down from generation to generation, dude to dude. But trend changes in what is socially normal have completely confused the fuck out of men, old and young, such that values from 30 years ago were actually just a fad, and now there’s something new - for the next 10-30 years. Sounds intellectually lazy, I know, my swearing is profuse, but it’s really the conclusion of major amounts of observation.

Oh and how can one person accomplish what used to take the KGB a decade to gather? Internet.

[–]FollowerTRP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Sure. I understand. Now explain that to female hamsterro-tingle generator. Does she understand? Maybe. Does she care? No.

[–]therealbigoso0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m trying to say I agree with the fake it til you make it idea. I don’t think enough men have natural alpha status, but this community has the potential to turn some duds into studs. I’m also trying to say it’s not their fault for being a dud given the environment in which most modern men grew up. The choice to look at TRP as an asset is the only one that matters now.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (4 children) | Copy

Women dont hate red pillers- its a collective shit test. Women only tease/give attention to what they are attracted to

[–]AwakenedSovereign26 points27 points  (3 children) | Copy

Women are capable of hating what they are attracted to.

[–]omega_dawg9318 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

that's bc women feed on emotion.

love or hate doesn't matter... either will give her tingles.

when she goes indifferent, that's when it's over.

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

God damn. I think I just got red pilled again with that statement. Truth hurts.

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

if you can make her laugh, you can make her cry... and vice versa.

but when trying to make her laugh or if giving her something to cry about, she gives you a blank IDGAF stare... you might as well start packing your stuff.

[–]Cheeseking1110 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

If men en masse know how the game works then women cannot manipulate them, it takes away their power which shows how vulnerable they are in the face of reality.

[–]RedSkeller10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women know what women are like and don't want you to figure it out because they lose attention and resources.

[–]mistuhberns31 points32 points  (5 children) | Copy

Because they don’t make up their own minds. They can’t think critically and follow social brainwashing since it takes no effort. Ignore what women want, they don’t know and it doesn’t matter anyway.

[–]GlobalArachnid9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Women want natural alphas, not guys who study their way into becoming "fake" alphas. TRP ruins the effect of (seemingly) natural effortlessness, which is by far the most seductive quality men can have. Women don't want to believe that some alphas were former betas who studied up on how to become an alpha male. There's little romance involed in studying and applying logic.

[–]MatSapientia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is the explanation for PUA techniques not redpill.

[–]NickA970 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

natural effortlessness

Good old sprezzatura.

[–]YungRichKid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You’re not born an alpha

[–]1kick630 points31 points  (4 children) | Copy

Women don’t like the idea that they’re calculable. So they’re going to despise men who have the formula.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

Adding to this, women don't fully understand themselves and hate the parts that they do understand.

[–]DrExtra8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. They know they're manipulative, shitty disloyal bitches. So they put on an act of pretending to have a higher sense of morality. But secretly they hate theirselvea for their immorality.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

This absolutely. See this with corporate or feminist type women all they time. They want to convince themselves so badly that they are different, but at the end of the day they still want an assertive and dominant man to treat them like a child

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


Whenever I have to deal with the HR cunt at work, I joke around and basically refuse to take anything seriously. She giggles like a child and eats that shit up.

She's 45.

[–]CaptainKidd967 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because once you've really swallowed the red pill you can see past their bullshit and you can take away their power.

Just think about how many men are clueless chumps that think that women are these mysterious and fairly like creatures that cannot be understood. Just think how many of these chumps are being used by women.

Now imagine that all these idiots become red pill aware and actually apply trp principles in their lifes. At least a big portion of western women would be fucked. No more chumps to help out single mums, no more free meals, no more tolerance for cheating, no more pussy pass, hard dating life for post wall women etc.

[–]thrwy754796 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because it removes the "mystique", and unveils women for what they really are. The truth is ugly. It's the same as logically explaining to a woman why she should spread her legs for you.

"The magician takes the ordinary something and makes it do something extraordinary. Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled." - Cutter (The Prestige)

People want to be fooled. They don't want to know they're being fooled. Women want to be seduced, not convinced.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Romance among all things should be magical. We were raised to believe in the one. That everyone is unique and there is an equally unique person waiting for them that fits like a puzzle piece. The dirty truth is the red pill exposes that as a lie. The same type of man gets nearly all kinds of women. There is no magic at all.

The things women want aren’t personality, grand gestures, kindness but evolutionarily more primal

[–]Protocol_Apollo6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

It’s a power thing and women just want you to get it naturally. They don’t want to know that you looked here, studied and wrote notes about it.

With power, they know you could leave them anytime- you are a high value man and you know it. To them, they don’t have the power and therefore feels manipulative to them (when naturally women are the better manipulators)

Then, women want a natural alpha. They don’t want a beta playing an alpha- girls go for pickup artists and red pill men but they don’t want to know that you learnt how to do this otherwise to them, you seem fake and hiding under a mask even though if you are exposed to these things long enough, you will become them and they will integrate themselves into you

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

They don’t want to know that you looked here, studied and wrote notes about it.

Not true. My username is well known to a bunch of females, and since posting here I haven't lost attraction from any of them. Women want a RP guy, they're just not attracted to some of the misogyny that gets posted here.

[–]Protocol_Apollo1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Interesting... I wouldn’t go round telling anyone about what I get up to on Reddit personally.

But there are a few questions and few assumptions you made:

Are you sure they know your username and/or do they know exactly what you post here? Or do all they know is that you are present in a manosphere place?

How exactly would you know they haven’t lost any attraction? How could you really prove it? What metrics are you using?

To them, they would see it as misogyny when in the eyes of most men, it isn’t. That’s why they shouldn’t know what you get up to Reddit since they won’t like you associating with something “misogynistic”

I just feel if you come clean about your trp knowledge etc, you lose the magic behind it all. Everything to her will seem more contrived and less natural and it could leave her in a limbo state of thinking “is he doing this because he’s been told to and is trying to get me to do something?” or “is he just being his natural self?”

Soon, curiosity will get the better of them and they would start reading more of these tactics etc and then things like dread will have no effect since they know what it is and why it’s being used

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Interesting... I wouldn’t go round telling anyone about what I get up to on Reddit personally.

I didn't, a leftwing columnist for the NYT doxxed me because he was worried a bunch of beta orbiters might kill themselves if he didn't at least try to cut down my tall poppy. Seriously.

Are you sure they know your username and/or do they know exactly what you post here?

They know this exact username.

How exactly would you know they haven’t lost any attraction? How could you really prove it? What metrics are you using?

They still seek out my attention and validation.

That’s why they shouldn’t know what you get up to Reddit since they won’t like you associating with something “misogynistic”

Agreed, this is why internet privacy laws and wire fraud statutes exist.

I just feel if you come clean about your trp knowledge etc, you lose the magic behind it all. Everything to her will seem more contrived and less natural and it could leave her in a limbo state of thinking “is he doing this because he’s been told to and is trying to get me to do something?” or “is he just being his natural self?”

Yeah I generally agree, but I was pretty RPed before I even read the sidebar, that was mostly an exercise in confirmation bias.

[–]Protocol_Apollo0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

“I generally agree”

When would you agree with coming out with RP knowledge?

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I think it's better to let your actions show your knowledge rather than drop lecture notes on BPers. IDGAF if some girls read my posts because I'm not posting anything I wouldn't say to their faces.

[–]Protocol_Apollo1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

But there are some things you would post that you wouldn’t say to their face no?

Eg you would post stuff about dreading but you wouldn’t tell them “hey I’m dreading you” or “hey I’m gonna withdraw my attention”. You would let your actions do the talking

Essentially, most if not all tactic/technique related stuff can be posted about but I’m not sure if they could be posted about otherwise then the tactic loses its power

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are correct sir.

[–]escapethesolarsystem10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because the modern western women doesn't actually care about working out a relationship that makes both parties happy, she wants power and to one-up the other person in the relationship. TRP lets you get past their bullshit and get a better deal.

Imagine western women like a sleazy car salesman trying to sell you a shitty car at an inflated price (their fat, lazy, unfeminine selves trying to hook up with men who are 9's and 10's in looks, character, and accomplishment). TRP is basically teaching you what all their tricks and manipulations are so you don't fall for the scam, and you get the great car at a great price. Of course women hate that. If every guy is TRP educated, they will actually have to put in the work to make themselves attractive, which they are too fucking lazy and entitled to do.

There's also a subset of women who don't actually know what TRP is and just believe all the lying feminist propaganda and hysteria - so they freak out more because they are trained like Pavlov's dog than because of any actual sense.

[–]dtyler8610 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Saying what no one else here says: some red pill dudes say/post ridiculously hateful shit. I tell my pals that need to toughen up and lift to check out the TRP, and half the time the first post they see (which they then screenshot and text me) is some clearly young bro saying some wildly hateful shit making TRP look like the “Heman woman haters club” from little Rascals. Maybe TRP would be less hated if 20% of the replies weren’t pissy incels writing stuff. Literally 100% of the time some beta dude has reported to his gf what I said about some redpill thing, they’re gfs first words are “every redpill forum or blog I’ve seen (since they actually looked) is a bunch of misogynistic douche bags.” They don’t care to seek the articles of guys promoting lifting, career advancement, dressing better; they just see “so I’m banging a 7/10 plate..”

[–]Psycholephant5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

They hate to be exposed. They want the alpha genes and the beta resources. And the red pill kinda throws a wrench in their whole hypergamous strategy.

[–]FlyingSexistPig5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody likes to be told that the stop developing mentally at 18.
But women do.
Nobody likes being told that they peak in desirability at 18.
But women do.

These are hard truths.

[–]Krebota3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you really want to know, check out r /niceguys (can't directly link here)

Not all of them of course, but I can guarantee you loads of them are trying to swallow the red pill. People have to learn, of course, but that shit goes too far. And I know that most women I know have had to deal with this once.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's because women want men that "just get it". They don't like that this can be taught.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K188 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy

We take the power back, against a long-winded attempt by women to take the power.

[–]robotlasagna8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy

First of all women have had power with respect to this going back for at least the past 10,000 years since agrarian society emerged. The big change was internet/smartphone/gamification of dating/social media which shifted power greatly in women’s favor over the past 15 years.

The thing is all this happening was not women’s doing; it was just an unforeseen consequence of these technological changes. Women just took advantage of it (and can you really blame them?)

[–]umizumiz7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

We literally figured out how to turn dirt into crops, just so we could get the women to quit bitching about having to search around for berries and shit, so we could finally get that pussy in peace.

[–]robotlasagna7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes we did. And while we were at it creating the concept of land ownership and rules of governance and since men were the ones to fight to protect the land we gave ourselves the exclusive power to own property and govern. It was a pretty sweet deal except that women realizing they were cut out of ownership decided to control access to the one thing they had: sexual availability and then trade that access for a share of the resources.

This has literally been going on forever

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

do you think the people that created social media platforms didn't know about female nature and how they crave attention & validation?

i can promise you... they KNEW it all had to be designed to feed those massive female egos. they saw the need and the advertising $$$ it could generate during the first meetings.

let Instagram and fb take away the like button aka their ego currency and shit will collapse in a few weeks.

imo it was all designed to feed women what they crave.

[–]robotlasagna2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well that’s a good point but that would have worked both ways: Eg we know zuckerberg looked at stuff like hot or not and facemash and knew that 1. Girls wanted to be rated on the chance they got a good rating (and thus validation) and 2. Guys would flock to pay attention to all the girls on the off chance it scored them an interaction IRL.

I however don’t think they anticipated the concept of “girl posts hot pic and 20 guys a day slide into that girls DM”. Constant attention for women on an hourly basis was one of those things that only happened once the network grew to scale to where a single girl could reach 5000 guys at once.

[–]omega_dawg931 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

the social media moguls are not worried about guys going into a girl's dms.

they are only worried about how popular she is (thru likes) and how many ads that can run on her page.

get rid of the likes, her ego can't get inflated and they don't know where to maximize their ad making $.

girls are all full of themselves. any media platform that gives them the ability to share pix/video, they dive in face first.

[–]robotlasagna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with what you are saying. All I’m saying is when they built things like FB they had no idea the scale it would achieve.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The big change was internet/smartphone/gamification of dating/social media which shifted power greatly in women’s favor over the past 15 years.

It's not so much that it shifted power but that it made it much easier for women to turn men into beta orbiters. If anything it's more guys fault than girls.

[–]classylassy285 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

There is just a strong dislike because some of the methods used by red pillers. Some misogyny. Many women who know about red pill feel for their sisters that don't know the tricks/tips used to get the upper hand in the relationship. Also lots of red pill is based thru pickup community which is deceptive and full of a bunch of cnts.

Other than that many women enjoy the good side to red pill (mentally strong men-no wimps, take care of themselves, and have goals and drive in life, naturally women want a leader/alpha but in today's climate they lean towards an equal parter)

[–]pete-repeat6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're speaking menanese right now. I understand it fluently but you'll never find a bitch who does.

[–]embar52 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP goes strongly against the social ideals taught from a young age

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

What they say at the red pill is pretty true. Women want “natural” alphas who by their upbringing learned to be masculine, strong, assertive, dominant, and risk taking. By learning these traits you are stripping away something that should be “magical” (romance) and making it more calculated, as well as transforming men who she never would consider before into the man she wants now

Also women HATE the fact that they can be figured out and also HATE how shallow their preferences really are. That’s one of the reasons they BS men in the first place. Saying they want to be taken by a tall, strong, man and bent over the bathroom sink makes them sound like whores in their eyes. So they say they want flowers from the nice guy. And they might actually convince themselves this is what they want until they get bored and don’t know why.

[–]mrpoopistan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

At its core, the human female reproductive strategy is about masking everything. Is she pregnant or not? Is the kid yours or not? Is she loyal or not?

Everything is masked.

Remember, the core conceit of womanhood is: "I am woman, mysterious and unknowable."

Anything that peels back the mask, makes things known and discredits the mystery is bad.

[–]DREADC0RSAIR6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Who cares what women want

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You do realize that women actually WANT a RP guy, right?

[–]Slut_Slayer90001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women absolutely HATE being exposed for their lying. You have to understand women HAVE to lie and be manipulative to get what they want, they are biologically the weaker sex, so they cannot just take what they want. Knowing how they operate prevents them from getting what they want, so obviously they hate the guys that already understand how they operate. They won't outright say that but they will instead pick at your non "pc" beliefs, or any other weakness you display. Regardless of how great your girl is she is trying to manipulate you in some fashion, but don't take it personally that's their nature, JUST use that knowledge wisely (aka don't call them out on it and instead use it beat them at their own game).

[–]zxcvb78091 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Because women want to bang everything that moves until they reach about 30, plus or minus 3 years. That is when the smart women realize they can not out bang the 18 year old women. The smart women settle at this point, the really smart women settle well before this point. The average woman is strung along to the point of no return.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What happens to the woman after that age? Say 40? If she’s single does she give up on family and just sleeps around? If she’s in a relationship then what? Agree with your points though

[–]zxcvb78090 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Women that are 40 are retarded if they are not settled down by that age. These women are the ones that are on red pill dudes back burners as a worst case scenario. Say it is Saturday night and you had no luck at all during the week or on the weekend. Then after you went out you still have no luck. You come home and can't get anyone to come over, that is where she comes into play in your life.

In her life she thinks she can do better. She never got off the cock roller coaster. She thinks because you fuck her that one day (somewhere in the back of her mind) that she still has it going on. That she will find the right person to marry and etc. She will ride cock until she can't anymore and then probably become homeless or something who knows.

It is messed up but it is true. No one wants to hear it but women a valued (by society) on their beauty. When that is gone they are almost worthless to men and society. I know this shit from years of experience. Most people fail to see this. There are exceptions of course. There are women that are smart as hell. These ones do not end up in these situations though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh absolutely agree. Women make the mistake of thinking that they can get dates easily and sex easily at 35 that the wall isn’t real.

Sex is always in demand. What hurts them is that they can’t get commitment from close to the same quality of man that they could have in their early to mid 20s.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because women want to bang everything that moves until they reach about 30, plus or minus 3 years.

LMFAO Incel confirmed.

[–]zxcvb78090 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Are you retarded?

The difference between an Incel and a person who reads into red pill information is what they do with the information.

If I were Incel this information would mean I should just give up on women all together since they only want to settle when they aren't worth settling for.

If I were a red pilled dude this information would mean that when women turn 30 and are looking to finally settle down, I know why they are settling down. It would mean that I would more than likely review divorce, and child custody laws in whatever country I decided to get married and have kids in ( if I even decide that.) And / or it would mean that I could use this information to have as much sex with as many women as possible.

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[–]MatSapientia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

they don’t want to talk about the game they want to play it. They want someone who “gets it”.

It’s also why women don’t know what they want. They demand something but react to different things.

It’s why they say never ask women for dating tips.

What excites them the most is breaking their expectations.. how are they ever going to know what breaks their expectations?

Write this wisdom with gold:

“Their solipsism is what makes them behave according to the red pill script, as if they weren’t solipsistic they could have overridden the script of hypergamy. It’s also why the only way to regulate hypergamy is externally through exterior code of ethics such as religion or exterior social pressure such as arranged marriages and virgin preselection” Mat Sapientia

Expecting a robot to rewrite and override its own programming internally without external intervention is the same as telling a woman about her code.. it’ll put in self defeating loops and trigger her self preservation system that is angry rejection of the discussion.

One word to your answer: solipsism

Solution: follow those two rules:

Rule number one: do not talk about fight club.

Rule number two: do NOT talk about fight club.

[–]boy_named_su1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women love naturally Red Pill men. They just hate the idea of it

[–]Greaterbird1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Old style pickup was about putting on an act of what was perceived to work, regardless of your authentic self. When that old style pickup artist slips up the illusion is lost and the act is dropped and the unattractive guy full of weakness and incompetence is revealed, and the girl feels conned. She thought she was getting gold, but upon closer inspection it was just a veneer.

New style pickup is about actual self-improvement and ascension, authentically becoming the real deal. Changing your core so there is no illusion to drop. However, those guys in the middle on a sub like this generally haven't made it yet. By just asking for help, many people will see you as weak. A truly attractive man is expected to simply just be able to do things, as if by instinct, and is if he's always been that way.

There's also the negativity. You have bitter guys in the anger stage, mad at women for being women. Being pissed off about how women can be inconsistent and emotional.

At the most extreme, the social incompetence of some guys here has them coming on asking why everyone they know is mad at them after they were trying to feel up their friends girlfriend on a couch directly in front of all their mutual friends.

[–]DatingTank1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're supposed to be good with women, without logically understanding why, and DEFINITELY without being able to explain it to others. It's like in business. The seller don't want you to know his purchase price.

[–]HurricaneHugues1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because of the misconception on what TRP is. They don't hate TRP they hate what they think TRP is. All their opinions of TRP is based on What they hear others say, others who, mind you have never themselves read anything in TRP. So it's basically people basing their opinions on other people's opinions who base their opinions on the opinions of other ppl. Sad shit really.

[–]nicyhasreddit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And by nature will never understand even if shown this subreddit.

[–]reggae-mems2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Probably bc people on this sub believe degrading women will take them anywhere good. The reallity is most people here are just trying to find a woman to love, and since being nice didnt work, being a player seemed like the answer, or at least a way to pretend its women who are wrong, not the redpillers. There is no way that men who call women dumb or shallow will be loved by girls. Who do people here pretend to insult the person the want to atract and hope to make it work?

I am probably gonna get lots of hate for putting this mirror here tho.

Ps: self-improvement post are good tho :)

Hope people on this sub find happiness and a woman to love, bc it seems thats all of you really want but can't get :c

[–]Project_Zero_Betas3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

There is no way that men who call women dumb or shallow will be loved by girls.

I keep saying this: no HQ girl who knows her self worth is going to tolerate some of the shit that gets spewed here, regardless of how "alpha" the guy thinks he's coming off.

[–]nicyhasreddit[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

They're not meant to be said. They're meant to be put to heart and used for our benefit.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

They're not meant to be said.

Then you don't read this sub enough.

[–]nicyhasreddit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

you aren't supposed to say these Red Pill things in front of a woman's face. you are supposed to keep it to heart. Its like calling a kid stupid to his face once you are aware that kids will never reach the maturity of adults as long as they are kids.

[–]notjackwhite2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

Because men frequently take the knowledge and apply it in toxic ways, because they fail to realize that being a kind and compassionate person isn’t the opposite of masculinity.

Women don’t mind us acknowledging their imperatives, they actually appreciate it. But a lot of guys don’t realize that hypergamy is also subjective.

While you bringing them down to earth is coy in its own way— the problem with PUA techniques is the same problem as Nice Guy Syndromes: nobody likes feeling dehumanized and everyone loves to feel accepted for who they are. If they respond “well” to you being an asshole over time, it’s because they’re developing an amount of Codependency or Stockholm Syndrome... which is why guys see results in the scientific method here, but they’re neglecting to read between the lines. Women don’t care for misogyny.

A lot of guys exposed to Red Pill (myself included) become bitter, resentful, and distant... but a lot of us still care about women otherwise we wouldn’t be bothered by this and seek out the reddit feed. We have taken being a loving person as a sign of weakness and “beta behavior”, when in reality that’s not the case at all... Why do you think they like rom coms? 50 shades of grey and most erotica doesn’t even get to sex for a while... it’s about the courtship.

The fact is, a woman won’t leave you if she felt loved, and respects and trusts you. That just means you have to be high value in her eyes, and if you lost everything else she would stick by your side as long as she trusts your ability to manage the situation... to lead her and potential offspring to a promised land.

[–]FollowerTRP1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Sounds exactly like something I would write and post 2.5years ago.

There are so many things incorrect that I dont even know where to start.

What is your experience in hookups, plating and relationships? I am genuinely curious. Does that what you wrote above work for you?

It possibly could if you are actual high value man with internalized proper mindset (natural). In that case females will be A LOT more forgiving for the approach you described. And still I would doubt it.

If you are advising AFCs like that, you are not really doing them a favor.

[–]notjackwhite0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Very valid.

I find my comment was tapping into truths I long for guidance on, while noticing the problems of current TRP “leaders” advice.

However it was biased as it leaned on my current understanding and experience. I look forward to more refinement as a man, as I’m 23 currently building a foundation to my life after... learning many life altering lessons from universe university within a couple months lol

And I find plate spinning to be easy. I was 21 a couple years ago, walking out of bars with the hottest 21-31 year olds often, while choosing to have deep discussions with “cougars”...

I think... that all that advice about plate spinning is a substitute for actually having a life purpose and a mission. I’m assuming you refer to Rollo Tomassi... made great observations and changed lives, but he’s also missing the point. He said himself he isn’t a true alpha... maybe it’s because his model is a 17 year Australian boy who accidentally threw the hush school party of the decade instead of... i don’t know... the men who revolutionized the modern world and entire civilizations? Or at least respectable MEN throughout recorded history. I read all three of his books and followed him on twitter dude is trapped in a cage of regret, but at least the caged bird sings his wisdom.

[–]FollowerTRP0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Thanks. I dont see the reason why would you lie because it is just talk between internet strangers. However when I had your approach and honestly thought like you do - my right hand was my best lover.

Having your mindset, I would never get where I am now.

[–]notjackwhite0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy


But, if you could... elaborate.

What’s my mindset in your eyes?

Where do you see it taking me if it’s unchanged?

Where are you now?

[–]FollowerTRP1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

To be honest, I am not sure If I am in position to tell you where your mindset will take you. Considering that with this approach you were able to pull anything from the bar at age 21, not even mentioning hottest girls which were older than you. For me, this is absolutely advanced game and frame handling which I had to practice years. So what you did effortlessly, took me huge amount of work and improvement. I am doing it now - after years of progress. We have different experiences.

Having said that, your mindset in my eyes is quite foolish. It is typical mindset for someone who did not experience many women and harsh lessons of nature. Actually, it is mindset of someone who is still yet to hit the ground with his face and get stumbled upon. Based on my experiences, I cannot explain why it works for you, but if it does, keep it up.

I could elaborate on every sentence you have posted, but since it's mostly sidebar stuff let's just take randomly this one:

" We have taken being a loving person as a sign of weakness and “beta behavior”, when in reality that’s not the case at all... Why do you think they like rom coms? 50 shades of grey and most erotica doesn’t even get to sex for a while... it’s about the courtship " - 50 shades of grey is something different than regular hollywood rom-coms which are poison, creating inapropriate approach for male-female sexual dynamics resulting in most of men never getting laid (if these are the sources where they take their knowledge from). This has been covered in many other threads. And females actually believe that they want this, they are not lying when describing their ideal nice guy. This is just not something that works from male sexual strategy perspective, who understands woman's hamster.

Also if you want to be loving a woman like a true blue-pill guy, you are heading straight to shitty unfulfilling relationship. There is nothing beta in loving someone, it is just a matter of rewiring yourself how to do it properly.

[–]notjackwhite0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Oh absolutely

I only mentioned the success. I haven’t my own divorce yet, but I’ve had plenty of strife to overcome in my life so far at 23 (as everyone does when they don’t have anybody to lean on)

I’ve had girls ditch me for other guys or leave me when I’m down or choose my friend over me. It’s not like I’m immune, but those same girls usually do come back to me.

And as for the rom coms and 50 shades comparison, the point is it’s because women enjoy the way they can feel with men before sex. Whether it’s a “beta” guy who can make her feel loved and comfortable, or a “dominant” guy who can make her feel desired and trusting— it’s different ways of experiencing similar emotions.

[–]FollowerTRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And as for the rom coms and 50 shades comparison, the point is it’s because women enjoy the way they can feel with men before sex. Whether it’s a “beta” guy who can make her feel loved and comfortable, or a “dominant” guy who can make her feel desired and trusting— it’s different ways of experiencing similar emotions.

Yes, everybody here will agree that women love experiencing wide spectrum of emotions. However, only correctly navigating this will lead you to what you ultimately want and enjoy too -> sex.

What we discuss here is mostly sexual strategy a.ka how to get laid. You are not forbidden to join companionship and have some fun. I do that.

Just from the perspective of having sex - behaviours like in holywood rom-coms will not get you laid. And since 99% guys want full experience with female, I would not advice them to adapt the mindset we discussed.

[–]ProFriendZoner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because they are told to despise us. Women are clannish, they all hang out together. Convince one and you convince them all, until otherwise proven false and even then most will still believe what they were told.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Who cares

[–]BurnoutRS0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I believe one of their head cheerleaders said it best with her song "Best of both worlds"

Women love the beta because they can control him, they love the alpha because they cant. If they could control a beta who had the powers on an alpha, without having to turn said alpha beta in order to control him

[–]nicyhasreddit[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Those two are mutually exclusive.

[–]BurnoutRS1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

hence the paradox that is woman. welcome to TRP

[–]Ryabemo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because invisible men have stopped fixing and rebuilding society. Red pill is to blame and it’s fkn amazing.

[–]Foolishoe-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

They only hate red pillers that actively shout about redpill shit all the time.

We wouldn't be teaching you how to be hated by women, that would be stupid.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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