Girl I just started to ltr just came out as bi and has female orbiter best friend who is ALSO bi, need advice

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Basically, just started to LTR a girl who has just recently opened up to me that she is bisexual, this wouldn't normally be a problem to me but my LTR's best friend is also a female who is openly bi. I can tell that the female friend REALLY likes my girlfriend and wants to be more than friends (she always tries to hang with her, she actively tries to dominate me in conversation). Whenever I try to dominate my girlfriend's best friend in conversation either directly or indirectly by retaliating with my own attacks whenever the best friend insults me, they both turn on me and get all hissy, whenever I try to even spark ANY form of conversation with the best friend theres a 40-50% chance that she just shuts me down and instead of conversing just resorts to insults (I can tell she is incredibly jealous of me).

Wondering how to approach the topic as it’s clearly questionable. Do I ask if my girlfriend has any sexual interest towards her best friend? How to I express boundaries in regard to that being weird for me? Since it’s like hanging out with a friend who wants to fuck you, how do I know there isn’t mutual interest


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Title Girl I just started to ltr just came out as bi and has female orbiter best friend who is ALSO bi, need advice
Author TablerMan
Upvotes 74
Comments 80
Date 03 July 2019 01:21 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/244182
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/c8hujr/girl_i_just_started_to_ltr_just_came_out_as_bi/
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[–]somboodee186 points187 points  (25 children) | Copy

I’m gonna be real with you here. A self proclaimed bi girl is a walking red flag by itself. I would not get into a LTR with one.

[–]Ill_mumble_that72 points73 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why is everyone here trying to LTR?

I don't see this as a red flag. I see this as a RACES ARE OPEN FLAG, GO GO GO, THREESOME MY DUDE.

But yeah don't LTR this girl.

[–]AwakenedSovereign10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same thought i had. Maybe you can get something out of the transaction OP.

I wouldn't LTR the girl though just because of her and her friend "hissing at you" and ganging up on you in conversation, while they both know WHY.

Thats a big red flag for OPs hopefully ex LTR. If everyone knows and there is still tension thats because one or both are probably lying about something additional that impacts you.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas3 points4 points  (21 children) | Copy

A self proclaimed bi girl is a walking red flag by itself.

Why?

[–]somboodee107 points108 points  (16 children) | Copy

For the record, I do not believe there is anything intrinsically wrong with being sexually attracted to one gender or both.

The thing is, most openly bi girls share ideologies that are not very compatible with the red pilled man in a LTR. And from experience these girls are even more promiscuous than the average woman. Doesn’t sound like LTR material to me.

But hey there can be exceptions.

[–]caneyfan44 points45 points  (7 children) | Copy

This has been my experience as well.

[–]babybopp36 points37 points  (5 children) | Copy

It is true. Had a girl who came out as bi. They are morally looser as they really don't see sleeping with ten different women as being a slut... It is more of an adventure.

[–]OrionsGucciBelt5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

But when you bring up hitting other girls, it's 'cheating'. Single mom too, never again haha.

[–]AwakenedSovereign4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Uhh

Phrasing

But yes this is a Hippy/nonbinary/sexual empowerment problem for lesser developed minds.

Power is great.. Multiple partners can be amazing.. Until it's you getting replaced, texts ignored, gossip being spread through your circles for petty reasons

But yeah free love man its great I love free things

[–]Project_Zero_Betas2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

They are morally looser as they really don't see sleeping with ten different women as being a slut...

You'd have to be very insecure for this to bother you.

[–]babybopp0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

At what point did I say it bothers me pointing out the slut nature of a girl?

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't consider a girl I'm with eating a bunch of box to be "slutty," I just don't understand your logic.

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can say that again

[–]Blaze-Bless17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can confirm, and yes, feminism haha

[–]Project_Zero_Betas11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

The thing is, most openly bi girls share ideologies that are not very compatible with the red pilled man in a LTR.

You mean feminism?

[–]TeemoSatan51 points52 points  (2 children) | Copy

More like open relationships and stuff.

I've had relationships with bi woman, it's not worth it. They are queens of mental health disorders. Just stay the fuck away from them. "Normal" woman are pretty fucked up, bi woman are double that.

[–]DrExtra17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Queens of mental health disorders". This guy speaks the truth. Listen to him. I doubt you will though. Get out now before it's too late.

[–]AwakenedSovereign0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I mean we spin plates here bro

Open Relationships can be great if everyone came to the table hungry and liking the looks of the food

But yes its different and hippies are uhhhh special, or at least think they are, especially the artsy women being worshipped by the throngs of strung out betas and knocked on by dozens of drug dealing firespinning nomads

[–]Ravenscar72 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

True. I live with a bi girl. Trust me she's the queen of sluts.

[–]AwakenedSovereign1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its more than just bi or nonbinary people and allies.

Its the whole damn hippy dippy bullshit tree watered by drugs, sex, Instagram flexing, for profit music festivals that claim to be private for the people.

The list goes on.

Artsy girls are beautiful and can have beautiful minds, and be kinky af and fun to have around. But there are plenty of hippy/hood girls out there more broken than most guys are ready to really realize.

[–]CasaDeFranco8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Same sex attraction is by definition deviant. It's best to go for women with healthy sexual orientations.

[–]party_dragon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Having sex for purposes other than procreation is deviant too. Literally devil's work!

/s

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most likely a mega whore who is into casual drug use, party lifestyle, attention, and not the stable nuclear family a red pilled relationship would lead to

[–]beefstockcube147 points148 points  (4 children) | Copy

2 bottles of wine and a bath.

Bang everyone.

[–]TablerMan[S] 34 points35 points  (2 children) | Copy

my gf doesn't drink and I'm not interested in the orbiter

[–]beefstockcube95 points96 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well then just remover the orbiters boobs and call her Bob - how would you handle a male trying to do the same? Apply the same rules, same conversations, same actions.

[–]red__Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

damn

[–]kaolin22421 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've dated a bi girl before.

Funny how they're bi until you're drilling them into oblivion. Then they're like any other love struck girl. You can admire chicks together, maybe plan a threesome, etc. Deep down inside it hurts them that you find other girls hot.

But hey, gotta keep up the act.

It's awesome, until she tries to use that as a weapon to make you jealous. She'll start playing games once she thinks she can get away with it. You might have lost frame, or you didn't pass a test, who knows.

It's another arrow in her quiver she won't hesitate to use if need be.

Here's the rub:

This relationship is of your design and if it comes down to it, you're willing to walk. Her bi orbiter friend starts playing games, like trying to drive a wedge between you, and you dump the girl immediately if she entertains it for an instant.

They want "rules for thee, but not for me. "

Fuck all that.

Let her find herself with her idiot friend. You already know who you are and what you want, and this isn't it.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (9 children) | Copy

Excuse me but what the fuck.

Girl competing with your girl this day just got interesting.

You describe your response as attacks.

Sounds like you keep breaking frame or enter hers

Remember A and A and AM bread and butter man she gets power the second you engage her on her level you are a man amused that a lesbo is trying to steal your girl not a boy threatened by a thirsty desperate lesbo

If your girl ends up sleeping with her regardless well thats a red flag saving you from marrying the wrong girl aye?

[–]TablerMan[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

I would never even know if they're having sex together unless one was to open up about it, they even have sleepovers on occasion, my GF spends probably double the time with her bi friend than she does me.

And I generally do hold frame and I have ignored/brushed off most stuff, there was a few times EARLY ON though where I would respond in a light teasing manner whenever the best friend tried to dominate me in conversation but my gf would always take insult and defend her friend.

Also like I said, I have known for a while the best friend was bi, but my girlfriend coming out as bi is a very recent occurrence.

[–]_-resonance-_43 points44 points  (4 children) | Copy

Dude, they hooked up first and then she opened up about being bi. She is not your gf hooking up with a girl on the side. You are the side piece boy toy. Stop calling her your girlfriend.

Demote her, keep the physical fun if you can. Let her know (by letting it come up naturally in conversation; don’t tell her overtly) that she has been demoted because you’re not dumb and you know she’s hooking up blah blah whatever, but you’re cool keeping it casual. It might spark her attention/interest knowing that you’re not all lovey dovey hung up on her emotionally.

[–]nateydanger12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

facts.

[–]mrHoebot6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

This seems like the case to me too.

[–]Useeikill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That was going to be my take on it too. OP should demote his ltr to a plate for being such an unstable and uncommitted GF and he should probably throw in a soft next for good measure.

[–]the_Milkweed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

ditto

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like shes poisoning your gfs mind buddy.

Yeah you gotta start pressure flipping as she openly disrespects you now.

However this is way beyond my scope of knowledge so i hope an Endorsed Contributer comes and helps you

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

your girlfriend is already siding with her bi friend when there are disagreements. you're being outright cucked. treated like the dog under the table when it counts. Gotta move on man

[–]NoFaithInThisSub 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

time for bi bi....

bye bye. next whatever.

[–]alxjones1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

this.

[–]nummas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Twice the competition, twice to chance to stray/cheat.

[–]Throwaway-24242416 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not gonna last. Do your best to get a FFM or two while it does.

[–]Onein1024th0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

time for a hail mary cuz its already over in short order

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your girlfriend is bi, and your post is gay

[–]EqualFaithlessness30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy

Every girl I’ve dated that’s bi is crazy.

[–]Ill_mumble_that16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every woman is at least a little bit bi. And they are all crazy. There are just different levels of crazy

[–]ColdBeing25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

So this actually happened to me. My ex was 20 at the time and worked with this girl that was a year younger than her, they became "best friends".

After a few months with her, my ex broke up with me out of nowhere and didn't give valid reasons. The best thing I could get out of her was "my head isn't in the right place". Over the course of several months, my ex has dyed her hair and eyebrows 3 different colors (purple, green, blue).

After several months, I see her get into a relationship on Facebook with the "best friend". I didn't know if it was real or fake but I knew it was real when her mom commented on it congratulating them.

The kicker was, they've changed the starting relationship date several months back and it was a couple weeks before my ex broke up with me. They've hid it for that long. Who knows how many times they've had sex behind my back.

In any case OP, you might be able to do a threesome with them but what I would do is, you're better off dumping her and saving yourself the heartbreak before she does it to you first.

[–]sixseven8911 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

THREE WAY

[–]Ill_mumble_that6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

It ain't gay in a threeway

[–]Matador5827 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy

Congrats on LTRing someone with a mental illness. She comes out as a man in 2 years top

[–]gainz7410 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Plot twist is that it used to be a man

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

I only read the title but fuck both of them.

[–]Brodin6915 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Threesome then demote to plate. God damn get better at vetting and read some of good ole Uncle V's guides/advice. If yall asktrp kids read his shit we wouldnt get these stupid questions.

[–]_-resonance-_3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Who is Uncle V please?

[–]oldschooltx11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

I had this buddy who was in an LTR for a few years. Man I thought they were so serious. The dude works out, is easy going and natural around women. A year or so goes by and I see my buddy after not seeing him awhile, and he says the girl split and went lesbian. I was like no shit... how did it happen? He said he was in a fender bender with a full on dyke and they ended up exchanging numbers. Her and the dyke ended up frollicking off one day. Next time he saw her she had a nose ring.

[–]_-resonance-_19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Next time he saw her she had a nose ring.

The end.

[–]bibalong5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Out

[–]uptimex4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've been there. She cheated on me with her best girl friend. I would suggest, just turn her into a plate, go step back, cancel LTR. Or hard next.

[–]T92924 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Step off.

You're welcome.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

they both turn on me and get all hissy

the sisterhood. You could have a hardcore tradcon right winger woman on an interview with Rachel Maddow - and if you said something against woman-kind they would both gang up, drop all their differences and turn on you.

she uses insults

Usually when a woman has to resort to this, she is out of intellectual argument or out of covert communications. Obviously we'd need to be there and see the situation but its entirely possible her fantasy doesn't just involve your LTR, it involves both you. Or she sees you as legitimate competition.

Based on what you've written it feels like they've witnessed you reacting like a bitch or getting upset; which if you have done you need to cease. You need to put your foot down, one way or another. You could use AM or A&A. You could smirk and get up and leave. You could let your LTR know if she wants to carpet munch so be it, when she gets a hotter toy, you'd be happy to join in. Put your LTR in the hot seat. You could try as others have said to fuck both of them. You could tell your LTR to jam out with her clam out and gtfo.

I've had LTRs with 2 women who claimed to be bi. One was completely full of shit when I pressed hard on it. She was bi when drunk and looking for attention. The other was what I would call legitimately bi-curious. She had been with women before but she was 100% committed to me. She is an alpha widow now and has reached out to me, despite ending up married with what looks objectively like a the full blown stereotypical soyboy (man bun, weak jaw, skinny-fat, cuck comments when I saw his comments on her social media etc).

Me personally, I would start getting devious and play them both off against each other. You need to SPLIT their alliance like you would split their meat curtains, not cause scenarios where they gang up on you.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You could have a hardcore tradcon right winger woman on an interview with Rachel Maddow - and if you said something against woman-kind they would both gang up, drop all their differences and turn on you.

So true. Once you remove sexual competition from the equation, women love being around other women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

well at the very least they will absolutely team up against men

[–]Project_Zero_Betas-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

If they think its acceptable (because some blue pilled beta leftwing cuck has convinced them), yup.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Threeway.

[–]neso2251 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Please make an update whats going to happen.

[–]boredrandomguy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Walk away from this.

I predict a possible threesome offer that will end up destroying the relationship if you take her up on it. She will immediately start resenting you and constantly use it against you, likely starting in a passive-aggressive way.

Even if you don't do the threesome, there will always be that possibility that she's having sex with her friend on the side and that will also end up destroying the relationship.

[–]Red_Pill_Brotherhood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hard next. Don't bother with the threesome attempt. "This isn't working out for me. We're done." Do not ever take her back. She is not LTR material.

[–]Senior Endorsedmax_peenor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every woman I've had anything more than occasional hookups I eventually got with women and they enjoyed it. Women are the attractive gender. And who can't love sucking tits? It's an instinct of ours.

It's the ones that openly proclaim it that you really, really need to avoid.

[–]___Lana___1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You sound fucking beta. They do this to make fun of you, to show that they have power on you... and you completely jumped in their frame...

[–]Project_Zero_Betas3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's an obvious solution staring you right in the face and you don't even realize it. Sad.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course. Thats why he is here

[–]SICFJC1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They are going to fuck and there is nothing you can do about it .

Also, all girls are bi.

[–]ProFriendZoner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Threesome City. Make you sure you keep that thing wrapped!

[–]idontmiind0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you signed the deal in scarcity. If your girl is taking her side more than yours, it's already time to analyze if you should kiss her goodbye cus from what I can see, if she sides with the bi girl, she'll try to cuck you. She'll keep you for her social proof and her bi chick for the fun. And eventually might leave you after they both team up to destroy your frame and turn you into a sub.

You must be ready to leave any ltr at the drop of a hat. Never compromise your frame and your abundance mindset. If a stupid ltr gets you into this much trouble this early, I think you need to reassess if you wanna continue.

[–]miya3160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What...the fuck?

[–]CyberXydra110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Have threesome, if she doesn't want it, dump her

[–]hibloodstevia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

End this now.



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