How to deal with a brat

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June 27, 2019

“A brat is a BDSM submissive who enjoys being mischievous, disobedient and cheeky to their dominant, usually lightheartedly and in expectation of a reaction from their dominant. Brattishness may be temporary or enduring”.

I was always getting butt hurt because she would fuck with me and I felt it was disrespectful. Its just my ego getting in the way because "I didn't deserve to be disrespected like that." I am still very new in this game (dealing with brats) because I just found out about it recently and /u/ReddJive has been helping me out as he is very experienced with this subject and flavor of woman.

Earlier today she texted me asking if I ate lunch. I replied that I had. She came upstairs anyway for no reason whatsoever. I reached under her dress and made eye contact with her. She resisted in a bratty way slapping my hand away saying "NO, I haven't eaten yet!" and stormed out of the room while I was grabbing after her as she left. I did it all with a smirk, knowing she was teasing me like the little bratty bitch she is. She is fucking with me! She wants me all pent up so I can smash her pussy later.

I am chatting with RJ and he is giving me some suggestions. I text her "Come upstairs." No response. So I go downstairs to find her. I go to the bathroom and she follows me in. I pee, then initiate and she says no, and explains how she is leaving or doing something but I wasn't listening. I started trying to kiss her and she resisted. I pushed her up against the bathroom wall and grabbed her by the sides of her neck forcefully. She still wouldn't kiss me. But just kind of stuck her tongue out, still fucking with me. I told her she was being really badly behaved and slapped her ass super hard. She said ow and jumped back and then hit me back. I smiled. I grabbed her again and she said I was starting to scare her, I told her she should be. I told her to bend over and she said no because she wants me all pent up and aggressive at night. She started hiking up her dress and taking off her thong. Words said "No, I don't want sex I am busy", actions said "you are so hot".

While we are fucking she is telling me it hurts and I told her "Good, you bad little girl, you fucking slut." Slapped her ass a few times while I fucked her for maybe a minute and then I juiced in her. Told her I had a meeting and went upstairs. I can't think of a time where she got wetter faster. The bottom of my shirt was soaked in her cum. Super fun.

My wife is very submissive but is still a brat. Does that change over time and they morph into full subs without the brat part?

Edit: We have a safe word. It's concentual non-consent.

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Title How to deal with a brat
Author Daddy_ThunderCock
Upvotes 7
Comments 35
Date 27 June 2019 07:46 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]light-----------dark10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

they get brattier.

have fun it with.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How so? Can you provide any context or details surrounding your statement?

So far, I am enjoying myself. Its certainly adding another dimension of fun for me and providing some more challenge. It also really helped me understand that she is doing it to get something and not hurt me.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy


[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy

Didn’t realize you are new at this - judging from your name and previous very good replies.

Think what you’re dealing with is typical “responsive desire”. Most women have RD.

While men can look at a naked picture of a hot chick and immediately get a hard on and be ready to fuck, doesn’t always work like that with women.

Sex starts in her mind first. That’s why we always say you have to fuck her mind first - and then her body second. Takes them awhile to warm up, to start thinking about what you’re telling them, to get a hit of feelz off of it. To play out the drama for herself.

That’s why you need to start gaming first thing in the morning when your feet hit the floor. Kino, flirting, spanking, drive bys, telling her that ass looks and feelz so good you can’t wait to smash it tonight. Text game during the day to keep it going, etc.

Marriage game is red pill on hard mode- the challenge is gaming the same bitch day in and day out for the long haul... keeping her attracted to you. And if you aren’t gaming her, you aren’t fucking her. She isn’t like a girlfriend who is programmed to be on her best behavior because she’s auditioning for the role.... plates are always dtf. Wives, not so much - when all of society preaches to her equality and happy wife happy life. She’ll try to push boundaries with you, that’s okay though, just remind her of the pecking order.. she’ll get back in line.

It’s a wife’s natural tendency- hypergamy- to look for the next best thing and to want to coast and turn you back to Beta - to keep you so unattractive that no other women would ever want to fuck you. You’re her beta provider ($), she can’t afford to lose you. Women know when a man is fucking.. she doesn’t want other women to sniff that out.

That’s why you must keep your SMV on point, dress, fitness, finance, dread, keep your value up and know how to deliver that value.

She’ll keep shit testing you (some are bratty yes) but they get easier.

They’ll be times when there will be no LMR, but most of the time it pays dividends to stroke her responsive desire (all the fucking time all day long). I think what you’re experiencing is her getting caught off guard with your advances when she hasn’t even had time to think about it. Last thing on her mind probably. Hence, the hand slapping you and the comment about you “scaring her”. She’s literally saying I’m not feelzing it. You didn’t create any tingles tm for me - you just trying to stick it in. Women get off more on the mind fuck then the actually fuck.

She needs to understand that there is a man in the house who wants to fuck everyday. Always be closing though. Fuck her mind first.

Beta game attempts to her stroke responsive desire but fucks it up. Instead of gaming her (displays of high value) and activating attraction triggers, betas go full retard with covert contracts: flowers, back rubs, expensive diamonds and vacations, date night, happy wife happy life, etc. these are great for comfort building but suck at attraction building. You actually lose value in her eyes the more you put her on the pedestal.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

I am relatively new to RP but extremely new to this whole brat dynamic. I'm always gaming, always touching and doing kino.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Not sure about the whole brat theory, just sounds like a mini shit test or LMR. Don’t sweat it.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

She could be ovulating. My wife will sometimes oscillate between very seductive and hard to get when she’s ovulating. The fact that OP’s wife was super wet supports it also

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, she is. This is her extra spicy.

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Brats are a thing in the BDSM community. I can't say if that is what OP is dealing with, but there are people who are really into it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am trying to figure this out. It's just a big experiment for me at this point but no clear conclusions have been formed yet.

[–]WolfofAllStreetz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Some details you left out when we were talking.

/U/Sepean has good questions you need to ask yourself. I asked you. Are you a Brat Tamer?

Your wife is perfectly bratty. I love brats. Love shit tests. A lot of guys can't stand the perception of disrespect. Shit tests aren't disrespectful normally. They can be but it's all in the tone. Still if she stops shit testing you then you need to wonder what's up.

For a brat They are a test and as a brat she's trying to rile you up. make you lose control. you should be able to pass easily. She's testing if you are man enough if you are then it shouldn't even register. What does is her signal that she wants a man. She wants to be spanked. Used.

How deep this goes for her is something you'll have to explore. For some it's the front wall to true submissive. Others it's little girl. Then other still like it right there.

Brats need rules. Clear rules. Mostly because they like to find loopholes and test Daddy. Can they push him? Can she? Hint she isn't supposed to. She breaks a rule she's punished. Rules are rules. At this point I'd start a board and write a couple rules down she walks in your office. She asks what they are you tell her. Bet you get some fun out of that. My first two would be

No talking back. Not eye rolling or sticking out your tongue.

Sometimes her breaking a rule is her wanting the punishment more. And don't forget rewards. Just as fun.

I also told you she isn't to hit you so you need to stop that. Rules.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

OK, I am going to write down my rules. I am also going to write down my needs and expectations in the marriage. I need more structure, she craves it.

I don't know if I "am" a brat tamer yet but I am certainly open to the idea. If she is a brat then she must be tamed and I am the only man who can do it. Its literally why she married me. Before me, men worshipped her and never said anything to her that would upset her. I called her out on her bullshit and refused to let shit slide, she loved it.

She rarely hits, but if she does its an ass smack. I will change that dynamic.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Careful your rules aren't some blue pill bullshit.

Research because your writing down your expectations smacks of blue pill thinking. You don't have the frame yet so you're going to go half cocked on it. Look into brat Taming more and rules for Daddy s girls.

[–]simbarlionRed Beret2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Pigeonholing is a process that attempts to classify disparate entities into a limited number of categories. The term usually carries connotations of criticism, implying that the classification scheme referred to inadequately reflects the entities being sorted, or that it is based on stereotypes.

"Pigeonholing" or labelling things like BDP, FA, Bratty (etc.), allow us to blame her for "insert problem" .so our brain (hamster) can then rest because we have found the problem. I am not saying they don't have a real impact, just that it actually doesn't change much once you give the label. Its still all your fault - thrive on these unique challenges you face.

Also: I think you are pushing the whole "physical contact" thing, it comes across as predatory. DV is a fine line as i understand it. If a friend of mine told me that story at a party, I'd be raising it with him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I don't have a problem with her being a brat, it's actually kind of cute.

Why is the physical contact an issue? I'm not hurting her and she is obviously enjoying it. She is a tough broad with a nice fat ass, she can handle a spank. I have never once actually hurt her or ever been aggressive when angry. I only slap her ass when I am having fun, never in anger. I think it's the same with discipline with children. Never spank a child if you are angry, it should always be measured and done out of love. If you can't hug them after and give comfort you shouldn't be doing it.

[–]SepeanRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude, when you're talking about this, mention that this is consensual non-consent and that you have a safe word. If you leave that part out, rape play sounds like rape.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'll edit the post.

[–]simbarlionRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes that was my guess. Maybe it's just your stories are the most vivid.

[–]Captain_pants41 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I question if I’m too rough at times, but then again my woman always cums right away when I turn up the heat.

[–]SepeanRed Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

There's some stuff here you need to unpack.

Is she really a brat, in the BDSM sense? If so, how deep does her fetish go?

Do you like dealing with a brat, are you that type of dom? Is it something you want to cultivate in her, or do you prefer a submissive, or are you into vanilla?

Depending on the answers, you're either going to want to seek out the BDSM community to learn more about the dynamic that is right for you, or to use MRP tools to take this in a vanilla direction. Right now, you seem to be going in the direction of brattiness and consensual non-consent, and you need to be very clear that is what you actually want. I get the vibe that this is more what she wants and that she's strongly topping from the bottom.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think she is, but she hasn't bought into the idea fully yet. I am going to have to do some research and read some books with her to educate both of us.

I think I would prefer a submissive but, I dunno as I have never had one. Before I got married, I had a horrible sex life with just ONS or random hookups. I never had a proper LTR.

I am realizing that I love dominating her. When she says no and I overpower her its very fun and a huge turn on. But at the same time, I want her to do whatever I say like a fuck robot. They both sound hot.

I have homework to do for sure.

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy could be a place to start

[–]silent_dominant0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dear God I hope they won't. You'll have to come up with all sorts of reasons to punish them then...

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Comparing a Brat to a Submissive is like comparing a Corvette to an F1 because they are both “sports cars”

A Brat is one of two things:

A girl who just likes rough sex and has zero intentions of being a SUB


A girl who needs a strong DOM to make her comfortable being a SUB. This is done by training, trust and proper aftercare.

SUB is a state of mind. NOT physical acts.

Its that simple. Anything else is mental masterbation.

[–]CaliEd256-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy

That’s not a submissive.

It’s like you’re wrestling with a dog, and it keeps biting you, so you wrestle harder. It might be fun, but one day the dog is going to bite you in the fucking throat.

Analogy you ask?

All it takes is a bruise, a mark on her ass, and her to get pissed off and call 911. Now your dumb ass is sleeping on a futon while she rapes your bank accounts. And you’re also busy wondering if you’re going to jail or not.

Brats aren’t submissive. It’s not cute, and it’s not funny. Unacceptable. If she says no to sex, withdraw attention.

Red Pill rules apply MORE in a d/s relationship, not less.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You are getting downvotes because you are right and the folks are ignorant.

A Brat IS NOT a Submissive.

[–]CaliEd2561 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh good, no more throat punches.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not on this particular topic apparently...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

We have a safe word, she didn't use it. If she uses it I always respect her.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

An experienced DOM will tell his SUB to never speak. She will obey. He then can take her to that point of safe word and is self aware enough for both to stop before she needs to speak.

That is the goal of DOM/SUB.

[–]CaliEd256-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Cops don’t care about safe words. If she has a mark, you’re getting arrested.

To clarify. I’m in a D/S relationship as well. I choke the shit out of her, piss on her face and smack her around. But saying No to me isn’t an option.

I don’t like brats, and the point of being a sub isn’t to fight it. It’s to willingly give in to your master’s pleasure. But you do you.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

God damn right.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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