I love the red pill, mostly the theory. I seriously have my doubts about the guys who represent the manosphere.

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July 9, 2019

Especially when you go through video on trp on YouTube you see the least charismatic guys ever. They are all boring men supposedly talking boring stuff.

Including rollo, no confident tonality or body language. I know catholic priests who give better speeches and who can present better.

You could also notice why the viewership is low on these videos (which I’m actually glad about).

Your thoughts?

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Title I love the red pill, mostly the theory. I seriously have my doubts about the guys who represent the manosphere.
Author theboldmind
Upvotes 184
Comments 133
Date 09 July 2019 03:58 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/244956
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/cb2qg1/i_love_the_red_pill_mostly_the_theory_i_seriously/
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[–]juliank47[🍰] 217 points218 points  (34 children) | Copy

The truth is that most of these “redpilled guys” you are referring to (big, dominant, successful, extremely confident) would never spend their time trying to convince a bunch of morons why what they believe is wrong. They are far too busy with their business, gym, family and in general, just wouldn’t care enough to talk about it to public. I, nor anyone else I know for that matter, would ever bring up TRP topics in a social circle for a number of reasons, but honestly, most people will think you’re just an asshole and woman will look at you in disgust rather than admiring you. Acting, or even better, actually being redpilled is way more effective than talking about it.

I wouldn’t bash on Rollo though, you don’t have to be a good player to be a great coach.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

I dunno. Some of us are here to help.

[–]RStonePT2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Heh, you see, if you're not attractive, set your own hours at work and sleep with younger girls then it has to be a coping mechanism, and not a cool kids club!

Surprised he's not listened to your podcast, you sounded pretty switched on when I heard it

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I keep meaning to link it to CorporateLand.

[–]theboldmind33 points34 points  (11 children) | Copy

I didn’t bash rollo. Just stated an observation.

[–]Ill_mumble_that12 points13 points  (9 children) | Copy

Rollo is cool in my book, but fuck Roosh.

[–]boywonder20010 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy

I agree with you. There is a large obsession with Roosh on TRP subs. The guy has always seemed like a weirdo to me and I honestly can't imagine how this scrawny dude supposedly pulls women.

He lost my attention the second he started saying that being an ass man and liking big butts is what perverts people to homosexuality. So, according to his logic, a straight man should focus on big titties and thats it. No fetishizing off asses whatsoever. Ya know, the flesh that bounces on you when you stick your dick into a pussy? Don't fantasize about that cause it'll make you gay.

On top of this, the guy makes outlandish claims as an attempt to be ironic. Like him pushing to make rape legal on private property. I'm guessing he was trying to push some sorta complex message across by shocking people, but it did nothing but draw negative attention to the redpill. Dude honestly seems a little psycho to me.

[–]Opioidus14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

You not being able to believe that Roosh could possibly get laid because you somehow need muscles to pull women shows how far trp has fallen from its actual roots and how deluded, most likely gay dudebros have bullied and peer pressured clueless kids into ritualizing and symbolizing the thing to the point that it no longer exists in its original form.

You need nothing, and I repeat, not one thing other than game to get hot girls. Your ideas of muh status are all male delusions that women do not share or care about. The only reason they may work is because of the effects they have on your own attitude not because of the effects they have on women. Because ordinary men are incapable of accepting female nature, you have devised clever coping mechanisms and do a whole lot of sublimation.

Here's a shocker for the "just lift brah" faggots of this sub: the most successful pussy slayer I ever knew was a fat fuck named Stan who ran with Brad P's crew back in the day. He was a chubby manlet who wore Hawaiian t shirts and had no worldly possessions other than a small hut somewhere on the beach and a beat ass motorcycle. He did however have a million cool stories to tell, a trillion funny jokes, a loud voice, a piercing eye contact, hundreds of fun routines and he always made fun of everyone around. He was always being orbited by 9s and 10s.

I saw him and I said to myself "if he could do it so could I". Man was I lucky there were no homo liftbrah retards around to delude me into thinking women are gay men.

[–]dukes19989 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

The amount of tall, ripped and otherwise cool guys i know who have no game and therefor either don’t pull or pull rarely is so high.

[–]askmrcia1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yea he's off. I knew autistic d1 athletes who had no game and still had their good pick of women. That's not saying you don't need game, but if you're high enough when it comes to looks or status you can get away with having a lack of game

[–]dukes19980 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I mean obviously but 99% of people aren’t D1 athletes

[–]boywonder2003 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't believe Roosh can get laid because he is off-putting, weird, and whiny. I just tossed in being scrawny on top of that.

TRP isn't just about getting pussy, my guy. It is about self-improvement in all areas of life, from your job and hobbies to fitness. Developing these areas in life will only help in your "pursuit of pussy" if that is what you really want. Part of not putting pussy on a pedestal is not setting your self-worth to how much pussy you get.

And your example isn't a shocker whatsoever. A guy who was in Brad Pitt's crew got tons of pussy? Who would've thought. Women like status above all else? Take all the short fatties out there and I guarantee very few of them are out there slaying, despite even having good game.

The push to lift is to get lazy fucks out of their house and into a routine that will benefit them and build confidence. Your attitude of "well I still get pussy" sounds like a cope for being a lazy fuck in terms of personal fitness. No one said you need to be ripped to get pussy. But being ripped gets you past a lot of your pitfalls in the process of getting pussy.

[–]kalumeiya[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's homophobic bullshit. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality and it is inborn. One can't be perverted to it. Yeah, roosh can disappear.

[–]Standgrounding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly Roosh used to be cool before his website shut down and he became a religtard

[–]EnemyAsmodeus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Confidence isn't some trait that is always on. Anyone can look like they lack confidence at any time on any day.

Anyone can have bad body language or say something weird or lack a proper tone when talking throughout the day.

Maybe you're only watching Catholic priests as they deliver a speech rather than watching them talk about everything.

Speeches are scripted, youtubers don't script everything. Really tired of the fakeness where people think you must act like a rockstar at all times. Even the most charismatic people say weird things delivered in a charismatic way, no human is perfect. Every human has flesh and it's important not to idolize any human being. Certainly not politicians or priests.

[–]ThinSpiritual12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

The real fighters of the fight club don't talk about fight club.

[–]Politikon-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You get it

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s possible to bring up red pill concepts and even get women to agree with it if you tone t down and strip out all lingo

But agree that to be all in on the manosphere is a bad trait mostly reserved for poorly adjusted people. No one should tell you’re red pilled if you’re doing it correctly.

[–]bape17 points8 points  (11 children) | Copy

Exactly. A true alpha would never need to read redpill shit in the first place, it would be natural.

[–]Zerodani1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

„They are so busy, they wouldn‘t care if they actually could convince someone“. Then why make Videos in the first place?

This is what was bothering me about the Community the whole time. Everytime someone has legit criticism about some minor things (like most of the videos are boring, WHICH IS RIGHT!), every self-claimed fuckboy alpha is butthurt now (not saying you are one) and acts like a feminist and comes up with some excuse „they are to busy to care“ Instead of looking at the criticism like a man.

I have seen some videos, OP is right. They are boring and If Rollo dosen‘t care he should stop. Nobody is perfect, nobody. Not even our Lord and Savior Rollo (God bless him). I think Rollo would like to hear some criticism, because that is how you learn.

[–]nobody_thinks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]TRP VanguardWhisper79 points80 points  (6 children) | Copy

Don't idolize us.

Try what we suggest, see if it helps, practice it, make it your own.

I don't want to be your hero. I want you to be your own hero.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tbh that was a big red pill step for me apart from just interacting with women.

I cared about sports MUCH less. I cared about others or celebrities MUCH less. Why watch others do their dreams. Why live vicariously through which you have no control

[–]jester_origins4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

It has been some time since I’ve seen one of the OGs comment. I honestly thought you guys left after TRP got quarantined.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Been busy.

Second LTR moved in with me and first LTR. Distracting.

[–]adviceaccount0030 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy


[–]TRP VanguardWhisper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's a bad habit. You might want to look to that.

[–]italianorgan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Happy cake day 🎂

[–]Aymane22159 points60 points  (6 children) | Copy

Seriously rollo looks like he hasn’t ever seen a gym

[–]ChadTheWaiter10019 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rollo looks like a softer version of Steve Kerr

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gonna dick ride for a bit here...

When you see his old rockstar photos in his 20s and 30s he looked just fine. Man's pushing 50 now, and I don't get the expectation that he has to looked jacked at that age, especially when he's natty.

[–]masterpiece00-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because muscles do jack shit for attracting women. Good hair and shoulders will always go further than bicep posers.

[–]Aymane2212 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ur dumb

[–]H0tTamal348 points49 points  (7 children) | Copy

I have had the same thought before too. I love Rollo's writing but when I saw a video of him for the first time I couldn't believe my eyes and ears.

As time has gone on I have seen how very real all this TRP stuff is though so I don't really worry about it. I think all the getting big, looking good, voice tonality stuff is important, but frame is everything. If you have a rock solid frame, pass shit tests like they are nothing, and have fully internalized all of the TRP stuff, then you win the game.

Also, just because someone understands TRP theory doesn't mean they are a great practitioner of it.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy


Honestly i think the number one most attractive thing to women by far is mindset- a strong positive frame. All of the other things that attract women are just a byproduct of it- a strong frame leads to success in physical social and economic domains.

So even if you have none of the trappings of success, you can still pull a top girl simply by mindset because that mindset will lead to success. The only issue is that if you are say 30 and havent achieved anything, then they probably wont believe your mindset. They will know you are faking, unless you have a good excuse for why you havent done anything - i was in prison last 10 years etc.

[–]SalporinRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rollo was always a skinny band guy which he made work for him in his younger days.

And he's always described himself as a "lesser alpha" if I recall correctly.

I think part of the reason Rollo looks like such a jabroni is his jean jacket and beanie fashion. It just doesn't look good on a guy who's 50.

[–]send_it_for_the_boys0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I had a friend back in my hardcore BP days whom was about 6 ft and 140 lbs and he walked terrible posture with his head down and shoulders rolled forward. Didn’t say much at all. But he was one of the smartest wittiest and most natural alpha mentality guys I’ve ever met in my life.

[–]mickey__0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

could you describe little more? some particular situations or something

[–]send_it_for_the_boys5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I never really realized it until I was getting into TRP, because back then I was clueless of frame, and standing up for what I believed in, picking up women, and how humor and not taking things seriously went so far with people. He just had one of the strongest frames I’ve ever came across, and respectable ones, he’d speak his mind on anything, he was unapologetically confident in everything, if he was tested before you could blink he’d have some of the wittiest most funny shit I’ve ever heard to say back and it would shut it down, very talented guy when it came to sales, and made friends with everybody, he could go in a party being the scrawniest only white guy and be the star of the show, but looking at him you’d never know he just looked plain and kinda nerdy. we’d be in stores and bars girls working would flock to him when they hear him talk, he could make humor out of everything, had an engineering degree, knew cars, bikes, electronics, some construction stuff, very good salesman, I worked with him at 2 jobs, he would stand up to the bosses and win every time, and walk away when need be. He lived very cheap barely had anything, drove a shitty little old Honda station wagon, saved up thousands and left the job to pursue his own business and is now doing very well. Great friend too, i always lifted even before trp and I always tried to get him to lift with me but he wouldn’t, he rode a bicycle for exercise sometimes, i could go on & on but I’m gonna stop cause I’m not trying to be gay. Hahah. It taught me something though, you don’t have to be the biggest broadest guy on the outside, yes it helps, but if your comfortable with who you are and give absolutely no fucks and go after what only you want, that’s all that matters to most.

[–]mickey__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like it, love stories like this. Thanks

[–]mickey__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Then you should also check black dragon on 21, you would try to commit suicide

[–]CaptainKidd9622 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

There are some older pictures of Rollo and his looks were definitely above average in his younger days, but yea, his body language isn't aggressive and assertive. I never pictured him being that way either. After listening to The Rational Male I pictured him as an older gentleman that connected some dots and wrote a book about it.

Personally, I appreciate Rollo for his work because he's the academic nerdy guy who explains red pill theory and exposes a bunch of crap that we've been taught to believe ever since we were little kids. And I've always been the type of guy who wanted to know why things work the way they work, I was never satisfied with simply accepting that this is just things are, I always needed to know why.

[–]BurnieSlander1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You don’t have to act aggressive or assertive when spitting the truth. Rollo’s style is relaxed, which I appreciate. He doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone. I think it’s weirder that people expect him to be some bulked up super aggro dude who talks like Jocko Willink

[–]CaptainKidd961 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I never implied that he should be, I just agreed with OP's observations. I have mad respect for Rollo because he's the best, imo, at what he does. He's the academic of trp and he does a great job at putting al the pieces together so we can have a better understanding of intergender dynamics.

I assume that most guys expect the leaders, the mods and the EC's of TRP to look and act like ufc heavyweight fighters for some reason.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think Roosh deserves some credit. The guy has been on the wrong side of the cultural beating stick a lot but it barely slows him down. I personally like him and think he is a great example of the stages of red pills.

[–]adviceaccount0030 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He is a thought leader. Dudes bashing him on here are in the paradigm that masculinity=chasing pussy. Roosh moving toward morality takes balls in this sexualized, immoral culture we live in. Respect to roosh.

[–]XanJamZ9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve never seen the guy. I always pictured him like McAfee or the Dos Equis guy.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is what everyone reading needs to realize:

  • We're not your role models

  • Don't meet your heroes means don't make them your heroes in the first place

  • Contributors who do it in good faith are easy to recognize

The silliest thing to do in a place that emphasizes THINKING FOR YOURSELF is to take someone's word because of who they are.

The flair system exists to highlight guys who have a demonstrated understanding of TRP. Flair is not a "this guy is always right" badge.

Everything written here may or may not be useful TO YOU. It is your job as a man to decide what you want and use the tools we and the sidebar give you as you see fit.

If you want sexual success, you can get it through the practical and / or the philosophical aka theory. It may be one or both. Ideology and praxeology can both be redpill. We have ECs that espouse one or the other, some both. That's fine.

Your goal should be to find your own path and purpose - we can't do that for you. We CAN make you a better, fitter, more sexually successful man.

[–]goldenshoelace812 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

Alpha Male Strategies is a really good channel

[–]Greaterbird3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is really great. He's one of the few guys that give a dominant vibe that feels genuine. All the Real Social Dynamics crew feel like an artificially crafted persona.

After seeing a ton of his videos it feels like he's still plagued by lingering insecurities and paranoia from those days he talks about when he was chubby, but then again aren't we all.

[–]sniper19052 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also the fact that he was in a relationship as big beta for 7 years.

[–]MagnetoWned1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

AMS is honestly the best

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's the third time I've seen people reccomend him. Is there a starting point to get a good feel for what he does?

He's Irish isn't he?

[–]BouncyShroom6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I somewhat agree

Reading the rational male, you'd assume from whatever is written there that Rollo would be some sort of absolute alpha even in terms of looks

It's a shock to actually see the real guy, I can understand why some people would start questioning him.

It's like if a guy ran a very popular fitness site giving the impression that the guy behind it must be a muscular and athletic god preaching all this advice, when in reality the guy looks like rollo. You'd question everything.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is why fitness coaches are all on juice but swear they are natty.

People want to believe the lie

[–]pointster_VSK12 points13 points  (12 children) | Copy

Who ever said any of these “RP” advocators were a 10 in looks.

I would even question as to why do you even care what he looks like. You sound like a college chick who came to class expecting a hot teacher and was disappointed when she seen a fat neckbeard lol.

Nah but all jokes aside, you are right. Not one of these guys who you see on youtube look like a “RP alpha.” Even our very own GLO. But are we here for how good looking they are or are we here to soak up all of the knowledge they have to offer. Because what they do have is a very internalized understanding of the RP concepts.

Heck who even says that any of these guys get women & spin plates. But majority of what they say & preach, not only makes sense but it works. I don’t know about you but i follow them for the message they preach. Not how they look.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

How much more muscular do I need to get before I can be your alpha?

[–]pointster_VSK3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lmao u gotta be able to bench that clown in the robe, from you tube.

[–]clavabot2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You talking shit about Bathrobe Goblin?

[–]ReasonablyGoodMexica3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

To be perfectly fair, as much as I can attest to his knowledge, his reproaches to the state of the manosphere are less scientific journal entries and more the onion articles. Gotta love those. His only interview, however, left much to be desired in the appearances department. He didn't appear to be thoughtful of even in control.

Manly and aggressive can also be calm and in control. Just look at Jordan B Peterson. His charisma is simply monstrous and he always seems in control, regardless of his level of bullshit. In all of his interviews you can see how the interviewers can't phase him at all.

[–]pointster_VSK1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with you. But i’ll give him and anyone the respect just for the positive knowledge that they do contribute.

Sometimes these writers gotta do some fluff talk just to keep themselves relevant and in the game. As i always say, it’s all marketing.

As for the rest of the current politics that are going on with him. I can careless. It doesn’t really affect me.

[–]Magnum994-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jordan Peterson. Charisma? In control? The dude is lifeless, serious and stuck up. Well, and a deluded crying bitch. Sure, he wins with logic, but he never really changes his opponnents opinion. All I see is bunch of neckbeards applauding him. Zizek on the other hand owns it, even if he is drowning in his own greasy sweat.

Peterson vs Zizek is literally the guy who spergs think is an alpha but is only a crying cuck vs. the guy who spergs sees as a loser but is fucking young girls

And that's exactly why spergs here always think that the guy who fucked their gf is always a muscular Chad, while it's usually a fat old fart with witty jokes, abundant confidence and charisma...

[–]theboldmind4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy


[–]iCeeYouP9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

Lmao, this dude wrote an essay and boldmind gives him the Chadest response, “Sure”

[–]pointster_VSK3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Did you say this as you placed your palms against your cheeks and sighed “awww he’s such a chad.” With a twinkle in your eyes?

You should DM him a shirtless selfie. you just might be his type.

[–]iCeeYouP-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy


[–]pointster_VSK1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Damn bro you got me. That was so chad!

Ima shut up now and go read the side bar.

[–]theboldmind0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Take it easy there bub

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar11 points12 points  (11 children) | Copy

The manosphere is obsolete. The dissident circles have moved on to larger problems, like the preservation of the west and opposing demographic replacement.

Western countries are being deliberately destroyed by hostile elites. At this point, masculinized women and feminized men are just another symptom of clown world.

[–]EnemyAsmodeus5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol what in the fuk

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You're 30 years too late for that friend

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know. It is what it is.

[–]dukes19980 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

“Opposing demographic replacement” seems like another way to say “ban all the brown people”.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Search for "pew research usa voting by race." I can lead you to the water, but it's up to you to drink.

[–]dukes19980 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

The US has always and always will be a country made up of tons of different races. You’d have to be an absolute autist to believe that blacks and other minorities shouldn’t have a large say in US politics considering they make up a large percentage of the population.

Anyone who seriously opposes “demographic replacement” is probably a white nationalist whose scared that all the black and brown people aren’t going to vote republican, and will disguise this fact by saying that you really want to protect “white culture” as if white people arent made up of various races and cultures themselves

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

The US has always and always will be a country made up of tons of different races.

Nope. Before 1965, the USA was a biracial country: 1965 - 89% white, 10% black, 1% everyone else.

Now in 2019 - 62% white, 17% Hispanic, 12.5% black, 5% Asian, 4% everyone else.

Nobody voted for that; nobody asked for it. In fact, when polled, Americans have overwhelmingly opposed mass immigration. So you tell me, what the hell is happening?

[–]dukes19980 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Obviously they did vote for it if candidates with pro immigration policies were elected and those policies were enacted. You’d have to be blind to not see that the world has gotten much more globalized since 1965 as well.

If you think even a majority of those are illegal you’re clueless, but even a minority of illegals isn’t necessarily a bad thing as they have been proven to put more back into the economy than they take.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You... may want to look into some of those claims you're making. I don't think the facts support what you might think.

[–]dukes19980 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Then disprove them

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't trust that you're arguing in good faith, so I'll give you one source.

Government Accountability Office (GAO):

GAO found that: (1) illegal aliens in the United States generate more in costs than revenues to federal, state, and local governments combined;

So there's the government itself, admitting that illegal aliens are a net cost.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I was just wondering why red pillers don’t take their own advice seriously.

The serious ones aren't making youtubes about it.

[–]theboldmind0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes agreed

[–]WIA20XX4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

The messenger is the message.

The only believing is seeing.

Basic 48 Laws of Power stuff.

A lot of these movements suffer the same problem. Paleo, Pickup, affiliate marketing, real estate investing - people talk a good game, often get the results, but they don't look "successful".

They can't live up to the mental image in the mind of the audience.

[–]Psychological_Radish3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Let's address this "Rollo doesn't look very Alpha" crap. Again.

First, I completely disagree that Rollo doesn't "sound confident." I think by any objective measure, most people would agree that Rollo sounds like he knows what he's talking about...which, of course, is true. What you don't like is his nasally voice. Not everyone can be blessed with the vocal chords of James Earl Jones.

As to Rollo's lack of physical stature, I think he looks really good for a guy in his early-50s. Back in the day he was probably quite handsome. It should go without saying that you don't *need* to lift and look good in order to be Alpha. But I guess it really does need to be said because some people are too dense to realize that there is more to female arousal. What do Chairman Mao, Albert Einstein, and Lemmy all have in common? They're ugly fuckers who never stepped foot in a weight room a day in their lives - and still banged a shit ton of women.

Rollo's worldview was shaped from his days as a rock musician in the late 1980s, when that genre was at the height of its popularity. His claim that he banged bikini models is pretty credible. DJs and rappers are doing the same thing today. Obviously these guys are outliers. Rollo himself admits that he was "domain dependent" on the club scene.

Clearly becoming Rollo isn't a realistic path for the average Joe on this forum who just wants to get laid more. I think he could emphasize this a little bit more than he does, but that's a minor quibble.

[–]masterpiece001 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

and still banged a shit ton of women.

Based on fucking what? the re-written history meme after the fact that they became well known?

[–]wheresMYsteakAt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I was hoping he would have included Tesla

[–]masterpiece000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Amen, the absolute omega turned zmog cool gadgets space man, no wait that's that phag Elon.

[–]Psychological_Radish0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't have a clue what this means. Will leave to others to interpret.

[–]SemperPrimus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Uhhh yeah my mind was blown when ive seen videos of some senior contributers here. Puts things into perspective. Makes you realize you shouldnt take everything you read here as gospel because chances are its coming from goobers worse than yourself.

So I try to just read, think it over, test it out myself ect.

[–]Sepean1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lots of guys do this, try to impose their own ideal on what it means to be alpha. All it shows is that you can't recognize frame. Frame isn't charisma.

[–]reggae-mems1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]dani0981 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Some of it’s good information some of it’s not. I would cherry pick what you want, mold the wood you are, your personality and what makes you happy. At the end of the day that’s all we really need

[–]theboldmind0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. THIS.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah I've noticed this as well.

Plenty of trp/mgtow/pua/mra channels are hosted by some fat old loser squatting in front of his Web cam in his shitty post-divorce living room with stained furniture and 20 year old posters in the background, while they winge about AWALT.

It's pretty pathetic but like others have noted: winners are busy winning, whiners are busy whining.

[–]theboldmind0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes exactly.

[–]Alexisonfire244 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Most men who aren't boring don't have to resort to sexual strategy to pick up women ?

[–]theboldmind12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because they naturally know those strategies. Here at the red pill we are teaching those traits and improving each other I presume.

How is your response related to my rant?

[–]Pluglord0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The hot college football jock (who smashes more hot bitches than 95% of men) doesn’t have time to write novels or make videos for betas on YouTube. That’s what he’s saying.

[–]MisterRoid4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Do you want to jack off to being "associated" with a cool crowd, or what's the deal?

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think he's saying, "why should I trust this guy as having shit figured out if he doesn't?"

[–]MisterRoid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't like how Rollo is given credit for the whole red pill thing to begin with. I learned about RP concepts first in real life and then more about it from people who have no idea of this sub. It's basically common sense that most people can figure out. It's not like all of it was unknown before Rollo descended from the heavens with a holy tablet with every RP truth written down on it.

[–]Brushyourteethm80 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The theory is just shared knowledge. The people that you refer to as resenting the manosphere don't represent me. Learn to distance yourself

[–]markinsinz70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The originals have long left. That's what red pill becomes to you. A toolbox/skillset/way of life. Once you've full internalized the principles they'll guide you for the rest of your life.

Also you'll feel that coming around and posting new shit that is just basically rehashed shit is not worth more than whatever their life goals are.

Point being the larger we grow along with the outer manosphere it's likely that we'll be infiltrated with nonsense so you'll have to be the judge

[–]Dirkz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If these people were truly living interesting lives and fucking people they wouldn't be so obsessed with these forums.

They would just be out leading extraordinary lives. TRP is a good eye opener but it should be only that. Living any of the things preached here would include leaving this garbage in the dust

[–]YouNeverKnowAnyone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yea because they're the guys who needed it most, thats why they need affirmation from so many women. For them it's legitimately just about affirmation and fucking because they finally can.

[–]redvelvet_oreo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude do you self a favor and ignore the "personalities" behind the content. Take what you need. Use it and use your time wisely. There is no reason to obsess about any of these dudes. The reality can be disappointing but thats not what your here for. Everyone uses TRP differently. Its what you make of it. Most people who are taking TRP and making use of it are not wasting time over this shit.

Side Note: This is why I will always respect IMs choice to be Anon. It dosent matter whos writing this shit. Just take it for what its worth and if you feel its worthy of your money donate or pay but make sure its a reputable source.

[–]Terdmuffin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's also important to remember the people who know the most about how to do things are not always doing the most. Coach K (duke basketball head coach) is considered one of the best coaches of all time but even in his prime playing days he couldn't hold a candle to the kids he coaches now.

[–]TheStumblingWolf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's Jack Donovan though. Check him out.

But other than that, don't emulate people. Just consume the material and shape yourself.

[–]iqbal0020 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any opinions about Donovan sharpe ?

[–]Tacale0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I also don't really feel like there's anyone to really look up to there.

To add to the observations, one particular example is how so many of them are still shilling Patreon, even though they know that 1 Patreon is directly opposed to everything they stand for and 2 will probably eventually go after them, but they are in a rush to get all the money they can out of the community before that happens.

Shows no principles or honor. Even if some of Red Pill, promotes being an asshole, for short term gain, I do think having some honour, being a stand up guy others can count on, is ultimately a better choice and I don't really see that personally amongst the famous RP people.

I also don't feel they ever address the actual arguments against the Red Pill. Im not on the side of the blackpiller incel people - that only looks matter. I think guys become stronger through developing themselves, girls aren't only looking out for a 7 foot gigachad.

But the blackpillers do make some valid points about how important looks can be, and a strong thinker/ debater should address that. I cant remember it ever being properly addressed besides "oh dont worry looks don't matter, keep watching" or "some Hollywood actors are small so it doesn't matter". A lot of these like Donovan and Rich Cooper will nonetheless boast regularly about their own height when the subject changes and clearly feel that its what makes them so alpha.

Rollo in particular seems to walk a very delicate line between his usual "hot young girls only care about looks, I was alpha cos I was handsome" 95% of the time, and the "actually, looks dont matter that much, please keep watching and giving me money" whenever someone superchats a looks question.

He generally answers other counterpoints or challenges by repeating then in a pathetic "faggy" voice "whats good for the goose is good for the gander". Oh ok, they must be wrong cos you paraphrased them as a beta?

Not that Rollo isn't worth watching, I like his theories, I think I have learnt from watching him. I take the good with the bad. I don't see him as highly as he seems to view himself and as others on the Red Man Group promoted him, but he also makes good points.

[–]SouthernGothick0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Your thoughts?

No one cares.

[–]theboldmind0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not true. The thread highly responsive.

[–]Whitefarmer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ever hear Hunter Drew say fuck ? It’s quite fake haha. Anyway I just go by level of fucks to give that’s why roosh ,victor pride ,Owen Bengiman are top of the red pill for me. Most others I feel care what we think a little to much

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]ikeurbantraut0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Andrew Tate is a good "RP" guy on twitter

[–]theboldmind0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Twitter id?

[–]ikeurbantraut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

@OfWudan His last account had lots of good stuff but got banned but this one has good stuff too

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I'd say the cheese making videos in YouTube are slightly less charismatic, and higher view counts.

I'm curious though, walk me through why this warranted enough attention to make a post on it?

[–]theboldmind0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Personal observation on my side. Plus I started to note that some red pillers are just hateful losers and lack abundance.

Just wanted to see how many agree with me

Edit: your anecdotal explanation of the Chinese is irrelevant. For the Chinese they may be charismatic enough

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cheese, not chinese.

I'm not so concerned with the charisma of people making RP videos, a lot of them are obviously trash, as are a good chunk of writers. Welcome to earth, where most people are shitty at everything...

My concern (well, curiosity may be a better word) is:

Just wanted to see how many agree with me

I mean you had observations, you can make them easily enough. Why was it important that others validated your beliefs? I'd say the most important reason for IRL content is because of just this:

Most people don't think for themselves, don't try things for themselves, and without some amount of coddling, they will never do anything for themselves. There's enough material here that a guy can read a sidebar on two subreddits, maybe a month of spare time, and be good to go... But they won't, not until the 500th field report on 'hey guys! turns out lifting, being aloof and having a little game CAN work!'

And still, a lot of guys won't do anything. Enter the guy whose in an LTR, spinning plates, doing pickup.... whatever markers you want to make this about, actually makes videos saying the same things that were in the sidebar, or on field reports (but way lower resolution, such is video) and some of them actually start doing something.

Now, we can argue whether the guys who need all this coddling should even be given more Ethos and Pathos to persuade them to stop being shitty, but that's another argument, what I'm getting at here is this; Most people are shitty in every medium they are in. 90% of the written stuff on TRP is shit by shitty people, 90% of video content is by shitty people being shitty. This isn't an RP thing, this is a human thing.

So yeah, we all know it, most people who are producing content are trash people. My concern is by putting a small subset to a higher standard, we are all setting systems up to fail. Honestly, go look at any niche group making content on any forum with the same standard and observation you have here... Who would pass muster?

And this isn't apologetics for TRP either. Fancy, polished high investment content creation has made it so no one will listen to a fitness guru unless he's been on anabolics for a decade, AND has to claim to be natural before we even think lifting is a good idea. I have some theories why, but that's another conversation.

So right now you get a bunch of tards getting angry online, and the rare 'Joey Saves' channel of a normal guy sharing normal experiences, welcome to the human condition.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I stopped believing in manosphere personalities when The Family Alpha cucked everyone on his one month challenge. The first 5 days were amazing, and then he pussied out.

[–]Over60_FireTempered30 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

OP you're like:

The passenger on an airplane, questioning the pilots ability,

The freshman college student questioning the professors credentials,

The blue pill guy that never did anything but question things, posting a low value question on TRP, and on and on ad nauseum.

Your responders here are not butthurt, they are annoyed by your ignorance.

I, on the other hand, am annoyed by your existence.

[–]Estrogenoxygen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The daygame doesn’t work guy who’s never opened a set lol

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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