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Detailed Roadmap on how to actually succeed at Tinder/Bumble, Version 3.0 (Summer 2019 Refresher)

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July 12, 2019

It's been over a year since I posted my Ultimate Tinder Roadmap. I also did a Part 2.

Part 1:

Part 2:

This is Part 3. It's not so much of an add on, as much as it is a 2019 Refresh. I'll hit on or rehash points I covered in Part 1 or Part 2, but deal with it.


It seems like EVERY POST on TRP these days about Tinder, Bumble and other apps is nothing but a poster shitting all over them, and then other posters circlejerking in agreement about how dumb online dating apps are and how we all need to avoid them. If you think that online dating apps like Tinder and Bumble are not worthwhile, and say that men shouldn't bother with them because they only exist for female validation or that its only useful for the Top 1% of men or that you should only focus 100% on in person game or any other hamstering garbage to justify why you think they are stupid,

You Suck Dick BY CHOICE.

Got that?

TRP has been infected with a plague of Incel MGTOW losers who do nothing but shit on online dating apps and whine and cry about it. Let me tell you something - you have NOTHING TO LOSE by using a dating app. So why would you just avoid it all together? There has to be only one explanation, you suck dick by choice, and use Grindr.

  • Muh Tinder only has girls on there who want validation. So? That doesn't mean 100% of them are, faggot.

  • Muh Tinder only works if you are in the Top 20%. So? That doesn't mean have a defeatist attitude. Again, the competition sucks. It doesn't take much to have a Top 20% Tinder profile, cum guzzler.

  • Muh online dating is useless, muh in person game instead. Who said you can't do both, cocksucker?

I guarantee you the comment sections will be filled with the garbage above anyway, who didn't do anything except see the title of the post and rush down to comment. If you shit all over online dating apps, you're just bitter that you suck at it, or, the more likely explanation, you suck dick by choice. Chances are if you are reading this, you aren't one of those types, and therefore do not suck dick by choice.

Moving on.

The Rule 0 of Tinder

Your pictures are EVERYTHING. They will single handedly dictate your success or failure. If you aren't getting matches, its because of your pictures. I guarantee it.


One of the optional things you can do is create a female burner account on your computer(You can use Tinder from a computer) and scout the men in your area. You'll see your competition is mostly pathetic. However the men with the highest ELO scores generally are shown first, so you can get an idea of who the top men in the area are off the bat. I am not sure how consistent this is, as I have seen some lousy men shown off the bat when doing this. This is probably explained by new profiles also getting a boost and shown toward the top.

Most Men suck at this. Realize this and capitalize on it. That's why I say it doesn't take much to have a Top 20% Tinder profile.

The Douche Assumption

All women who use these apps automatically assume, without hesitation, that every man they will come across is a creep, or a douche, or most commonly, both. It's up to you, your profile, and your pictures(and eventually your messages/game when you match) to unqualify yourself as a creepy douche. If you have to ask yourself if your bio or your pictures make you look like a creep or a douche, it probably is.

The better your pictures are, the better your profile, and the better looking you are, the more benefit of the doubt you will get.

To recap, mallardcove's Tinder Maxim: You are guilty of being a creepy douche to every woman who you come across on these apps, until you prove yourself innocent.

Picture Selection

Picture Selection is your greatest asset here. It will make or break you. If you aren't getting matches, 99% chance your pictures suck. You can blame the algorithims, or ego, or the "sluts who only care about validation and the Top 1% of Top 1% of Chads", but I can assure you its because your pictures suck.


Obviously looking as good and attractive and well put together in your photos is important, but its not the only piece of the puzzle. Your pictures need to tell an emotional story. You know how women like to be taken on a roller coaster of emotions when you are with them? You need to do the same with your pictures. They need to take the woman who is viewing them on an emotional ride. They have to inspire emotion and excitement.

I once put 6 pictures on my Tinder profile that all scored 96% or higher on Photofeeler. I was not getting many matches. Because while I had the "attractive" part of the puzzle down, the problem is my pictures were boring. It appeared like the 6 pictures were more a part of a photoshoot specifically for Tinder(nothing comes across as more pathetic), than a group of 6 pictures that represented my exciting life.

Your best picture needs to go first. Otherwise she won't look at your other 5. Your first picture needs to clearly show your face and your entire body if possible. It needs to be your best all around picture.

Smiling too much is bad, especially if you are looking into the camera. I see a lot of Tinder Advice guides online that say smiling is good, but its not. You get one smiling while looking into the camera picture MAX, and it can't go first. If you have to have more pictures of you smiling, make sure it is not looking at the camera.

Shirtless pictures are fine as long as you have the 6 pack and muscles to back it up. And it has to be candid. No selfies, shirtless mirror pics, or obviously staged pics. It has to be outdoors. You're looking for plausible deniability here. If it appears like your shirtless picture was staged, you get tagged as a douche and she'll swipe left. A beach or lake is your best bet for plausible deniability here.

Avoid selfies of any kind. No outstreched arm pics, pics of you sitting in your car or at your computer, or mirror selfies. No. That's boring. And weak. It makes it appear like your life is so boring that your best pictures are ones you had to take yourself in boring situations.

Avoid pictures of you doing douchey shit, like flexing your arms. Avoid pictures that come across as douchey, like pictures taken at the gym.

Boat pictures are usually good but make sure you only have one.

Try to have at least one group picture where you are not the only one in the shot.

Dress Well in the pictures that call for it.

Basically here are 6 picture types that you can't go wrong with(in no particular order).

  • The Outdoors Picture - A picture of you doing something outdoors. The picture I have used for this one is a picture of me hiking, taken slightly overhead with my drone, so the height of how high I was up compared to ground level is on display. Hiking, fishing, boating, camping, etc. work here

  • The Action Picture - A picture of you doing something in action. Differs from the outdoors picture because this one is meant to be captured in the movement, while the outdoors picture is more of a still picture. The picture I have used for this one is a picture of me cliff jumping. Swimming, sports, motorsports, skydiving, and such work here. Avoid pictures of skateboarding, and only use biking if you are doing some kind of crazy jump. If you own a GoPro/Action camera it might not be a bad idea to use a picture or video still.

  • The Leather Jacket Picture - Can't go wrong with a leather jacket. Probably the best outerwear accessory that can be used. Women love guys in leather jackets, if you can pull it off - If you are a fatass, won't work. But if you are in shape you can't lose with a leather jacket. Just make sure the shot is candid. The leather jacket picture I use is one of me leaning on a balcony in Las Vegas overlooking the strip.

  • The Travel Picture - A picture of you at some kind of known touristy destination, preferably when traveling and not in your home location. I have used many pictures from this one, my favorite being with wild donkeys on Route 66 in Oatman, Arizona.

  • The Group Picture - Just make sure you have a picture of you in a group setting. It doesn't really matter where, when, how, or what; just make sure you look presentable. Bonus points if you have attractive women in the picture but its not a requirement. A picture with your bros or family is just as good.

  • The Shirtless Picture - You knew it was coming. ONLY put this one in if you can pull it off. By pull it off, I mean body fat percentages low enough to where you can see 6 pack abs, vein vascularity and muscle definition. If not, don't bother. It won't work if you don't have the definition, I don't care how big your arms are(its probably mostly tricep blubber anyway). It also has to be candid. No mirror selfies or gym selfies. The situation and scenario of the picture has to make way for plausible deniability. The shirtless picture I currently use is one of me docking a boat at a marina. Yes, I purposely planned the picture, but women who see it won't know that. They will just think someone took a picture of me while I was docking a boat. On full display is my muscle definition, washboard abs and vein vascularity. It also helps if you are tanned and not pale. I did a self tan the night before this picture.

  • If you can't pull off the shirtless picture, just try to find another good Outdoors, Action or Travel picture to use for #6.

Lead off with the best non smiling picture of the bunch that isn't the group or shirtless picture. I lead with my Oatman Donkey picture.

How to get good pictures

Getting 6 good pictures is harder than it sounds. It presents logistical and technological obstacles. Putting yourself in social situations where others are taking pictures can work but even then you will still need to be able to take some pictures yourself.

Myself, I own a drone. This allows me to get good shots outside from all kinds of angles. My boat docking, shirtless picture, and hiking pictures would not be possible without it. I also used my GoPro for my cliff jumping picture. But for those of you who don't want to spend a couple hundred on a good drone(DJI Spark is a good option for $300) or action camera, you can use your phone and buy a cheap tripod for it. Then a selfie stick with a remote control so you can take pictures remotely.

Editing your pictures is fine, but if you can tell the picture has been edited, its overdone. It's fine to edit/post process your photos, but keep it subtle and realistic. Don't apply a million different filters and effects. Color correction is fine. Don't use face softeners. For the shirtless picture, it may not be a bad idea to up the texture, contrast and clarity to make your abs show better and look more shredded overall.

I can hear it already "Muh thats a lot of time and investment for pictures on a dating app where sluts only care about validation and the Top 0.1% of men Muh". Fuck off with that shit, dick sucker by choice. Like everything else in life, your results are the outcome of what you put into it. If you don't think its worth all this trouble, fine, but realize that you are just going to be behind those who either put more effort in, or are naturally more gifted than you. I am not saying you can't get good photos without investing in equipment, it just makes it easier. It is perfectly attainable to get 6 good photos with just your phone.

The Bio

Most girls don't read it unless they have already matched you or are thinking of matching you. If your profile is good enough, they'll swipe right on you without reading the profile then they will read it later. If they are on the fence, it will be a possible deal breaker.

Here is my stance on bios. They can not help you at all. They can only hurt. It's similar to the concept of texting outside of logistics. Nowhere to go but down. So keep it short and factual. Keep the jokes and essays and other garbage out. Too many men out there write fucking essays and you will see this if you scout. No one is going to read that shit. And it makes you look too thirsty.

Two options I like to use. One is just a straight quick bio.

If you are over 6 feet tall, put it in there. Put your location and a couple of words.

Example: "6'1, East Side, looking for adventures"

That's it.

Option #2 is a straight quick quote or saying. Whether it be a song lyric or excerpt from a book or something. As long as its short and sweet, its fine.

Example(don't use this, its purely an example): "There's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered, but legends never die"

ELO Score

Tinder has a built in ELO score that is hidden to users. It's basically a power ranking of your profile. The higher your score, the more other high score users will see you, and vice versa. This is why having great pictures and a good profile is vital. You only can help your ELO score by being swiped right by others, but there are ways you can tank your ELO score for reasons other than not being swiped. One of which...

Do Not Overswipe

Limit the number of swipes(either direction) you do per day. This is for several reasons. A big one is if you swipe too much, Tinder will think you are a bot and shadow ban your profile. You'll be seen by no one and you have to wait several days if not more until it reverses. At the same time, you still have to swipe some in order to be seen by others and calibrate your ELO score. I think 50 per day is a good number to settle on, but space it out. No more than a dozen in any given session. I've had my accounts shadowbanned too many times for overswiping.

Why I think Tinder Gold is (still) a good investment

I am not a Tinder employee or shill, nor am I someone trying to get you to buy it. Here is why Tinder Gold works for me.

  • Because you can see who has already swiped right on you, meaning you don't have to worry about overswiping. Yes, 98% of your like queue will be garbage, but its still a good way to see who is active

  • You know which girls are active on Tinder and not dormant.

  • Because you can get the ball rolling on your time table. Timing plays a key role in these dating apps, so being able to dictate the flow and when things start is a bigger deal than you think it is.

  • The geography feature is good if you travel a lot, so you can scope out women and have things lined up before you even get to your destination.

The extra super likes and free boost is fine, but those are my 4 key features.


Best done Tuesday or Wednesday Nights from my experience around 8pm. This is when girls are really open because they are looking for weekend plans if they don't have any already. If you have Tinder Gold you'll get a shitload of (mostly low value) likes and its fun to watch them roll in by the gross.

Super Likes

Mixed results for me. It gets you matches and puts your profile infront of her, but sometimes she will accept your superlike out of pity, and you'll be shit tested multiple times harder because the notion of a super like comes across as a bit thirsty. Be prepared to follow up a super like match with absolute rock solid frame or she isn't going to meet up with you. Another reason why the Tinder Gold like queue is helpful, because you can find girls who have already liked you. Save the Super Likes for situations where you absolutely want her attention. It's a gamble.

What to do when you have matched

There are two ways to match. One is where she matches you after you have already matched her. Two is where you match her after she has already matched you.

Regardless of how it works, you don't want to appear thirsty. Thirsty guys will message her as soon as the match hits. At the same time, you have a small window. The clock is ticking and you are competing against other guys for her attention.

I usually give it a couple hours. This way you give her a window for the chance of her message you(it will happen occassionally if your profile is good enough). And have enough time pass not to appear thirsty, but quick enough to where she hasn't had enough time to be swept away by another dude.

This is also another reason why I prefer Tinder Gold and matching with girls out of the like queue. This way you can make everything on your time table. It's best to match girls Sunday-Wednesday. That is when they are open and looking. She already has plans Thursday-Saturday. Also its best to match with her in the late afternoon or night, not the morning. This way you can get the ball rolling at the right times. It puts you in a squeeze when she matches with you at 1am and you are asleep.


Before moving onto an opener I always do as much vetting of the match as I can. This way if she is catfishing me, or isn't who she says she is, I know before wasting any time at all on her.

It shouldn't be too hard to find her Facebook, Instagram, etc. Utilize her social media pages to make sure she has no red flags or isn't using 5 year old pictures or isn't actually a fat landwhale. Don't tell the girls you did this - its creepy. It is creepy, but its necessary. And girls do it to us. I've had several matches tell me they looked up info about me online before meeting.

Also, reverse google image search is your friend. It should be easy to spot fake profiles and bots, but every now and then some fake profiles look legit. Reverse google image search if you aren't sure.


I think guys put too much thought into openers. And too many guys try to follow some kind of structured script for every match.

What I've learned from my experience is every girl is different. Every match is different. It's too organic of a process and what works on one girl won't work on another. It's something you have to develop kind of a gut instinct for.

Witty/funny/pun openers work on some and not others. One thing for sure is that they don't work on girls you have super liked because you already have one beta strike against you for super liking, going the pun/witty/funny route is Strike 2.

Others being firm and direct works well.

Remember what I said early on - the douche assumption. All women automatically will assume you are a creepy douche. It's up to you to break that assumption.

My openers are one of three approaches. Approach #1 I usually like to open by referencing something in her pictures or profile. For example a girl I matched who was from Omaha. My opener: "I always have a good time in Omaha". Another example is complimenting one of her clothing choices. This isn't beta validation if its done as an opener, its an ice breaker. It's only beta validation when done later on, and multiple times. But women love being complimented by strangers as an ice breaker. Approach #2 is using a GIF. Approach #3 is being direct with just saying her name, or "Hi" or "What's Up" but that is rare. Not saying it doesn't work but I go with that direction if I have nothing for Approach #1 or #2.

Openers are not as important as people make them out to be, but that is not saying they aren't important. She has already made the decision in her mind if she will fuck you based on your profile and pictures, now its on you to prove to her you aren't a creepy douche in order to actually meet up with you. The opener and ensuing conversation is about making her comfortable with the idea of meeting you.

The ensuing conversation

Again, the idea here is not to "win her over". She has already made up her mind whether or not she wants to fuck you. If she wants to fuck you, you've already done that with your profile and pictures. If not, there is nothing you can do or say to change that fact.

The idea here is to make her comfortable with meeting up with you. I will keep repeating the maxim - She automatically assumes you are a douche/creep until you prove otherwise.

That's the idea of the ensuing conversation. Your goal is to make her comfortable with the idea of meeting up with you and/or giving you her number in as short of a conversation as possible.

Some girls this will only take a few messages. Others might need a bit more time and rapport. Again, its an organic process. How badly you want the girl should determine how much time and effort you are willing to put in(not saying be ultra thirsty for the best ones). But, if a 5 wants a lot of rapport, its probably not worth it, where as a 9 or 10 would be worth the effort of a rapport build.

I am not saying that sexual innuendo or sexually charged conversation will automatically put you in creep/douche territory, but your SMV has to be high and you have to be extremely smooth with it. It's a very fine line. If you insist on being sexual in your conversation, its best to be direct about it and just make your intentions known instead of try to sugar coat it and beat around the bush.

Regardless your goal should be to get off the Tinder app as soon as possible. Find an opening to get her number and take it to text. Knowing the right time to ask for her number is more of a "feel" thing that you have intuition for. There is no magic number of back and forth messages you need before you ask for it, nor is there a hard ceiling of messages that you have to ask for her number if you hit that point. If she needs more rapport, you can do it over text instead of in the Tinder app. But from my experience a phone number is usually good enough to start pushing for logistics.

Less is More

Like with texting outside of logistics, you should be very careful in how much you divulge about yourself when communicating with your matches. Try to reveal as little about yourself as possible. You can not make her more attracted to you by what you say, you can only hurt yourself. Goal #1 is to get her number. Goal #2 is to push for logistics. Do not lose sight of either of those goals. You might need to divulge some info about yourself to accomplish both goals, but be very mindful. Once you have #1, immediately push for #2. If she wants more time, fine, but ration it and keep it to a minimum and re-push for #2 again. Once you have the logistics set up, keep all contact to a minimum until you meet up, preferably go no-contact. Ignore her if you have to.

Shit or Get Off the Pot

Another thing to keep in mind is that a lot of girls will never be comfortable with the idea of going out with or meeting up with a guy they met on dating apps. There will always be a stigma attached to it, and while they download the app thinking they are open to the concept, when it actually comes time to shit or get off the pot, they will chicken out.

For example, she downloads the app, and is open to the possibilities. She matches with a guy, and is open to the possibilities. They talk a bit, and she is open to the possibilities. He asks for her number or asks her to meet up. Then she freezes. It has become real. In her mind she was open to the idea, but in reality she isn't.

It's similar to someone saying they will go on a big roller coaster, but when they actually get in line and get up to the car to get on the ride, they chicken out.

This will happen. Just move on and if she comes around eventually, great.

The Flake

Flaking will happen, in all stages. Flaking will happen after the first message, after you get her number, after you try to arrange a meetup, after you have arranged a meet up. Get used to it. Don't get butthurt about it, if you do it shows you are too invested in a Tinder Match you have never even fucking met. Move on.

Like I said, women are fickle, and in their mind they might be open to meeting up with a guy on Tinder or giving him her phone number, but when it actually comes time to do it, she flakes. It's not you, it's them.

Do not get too invested into your matches. This goes for women in general, but for fucks sake especially don't do it with Tinder matches.

It's for this reason I laugh when I hear guys on AskTRP talking about running "dread" or "soft nexting" their Tinder Matches. None of that is possible until you have stuck your penis inside of her. Yes, tactics like ignoring her, taking a long time to reply to her messages and obeying the 2/3 rule will help, but you're 100% wrong if you think you have her wrapped around your finger before you have ever met her. You don't.

When Age Gap matters

In general, age gap doesn't matter. When a woman finds a man attractive, she doesn't give a shit about his age, or hamsters it away into a positive. Plausible deniability also plays a role. If she doesn't know his age, she will hamster him to be younger than he probably is.

But with online dating, that's not the case. Remember the CREEP AND DOUCHE ASSUMPTION. She is automatically assuming all men on these apps are either creeps, douches, or both. She may swipe right on men in which there is a significant age gap, but when they actually match and he actually starts talking to her, the CREEP or DOUCHE alarm starts to go off and its up to him to prove he is not. There is also no plausible deniability since your age is right there on display. Her hamster won't work, even if you are attractive.

I am not saying its impossible to succeed when there is an age gap - I have many times. But, the bar you have to clear is a lot higher when it comes to breaking down the creep/douche assumption shield. The best way to approach an age gap(higher than half your age + 7) is bare minimum investment. Match, escalate, get the meetup or move on.

You and dozens of others

Keep in mind that you are not the only guy competing for the attention of your matches. The more attractive she is, the more guys she has competing for her time and attention. In order to meet up with her you have to become her top option. A lot of times this just won't happen and she will flake away. Deal with it. This is why I recommend striking while the iron is hot and not wasting any time. Escalate to getting her number and arranging a meet up as soon as you can. Do not think its wise to "slowly move the conversation toward meeting up" or "taking your time to get to know her" or "not wanting to move too fast". If you don't move fast, another guy will and she will likely ghost you. When you get ghosted or flaked on its almost always because another guy. How dumb will you feel that you wasted all that time and it didn't work out?

Remember, its a Tinder Match. She has no emotional investment or attachment into you at all. She just sees you as an option until you meet up with her. Too many guys delude themselves into thinking that because you matched, she has investment in you. She doesn't. That's how women are. As long as she is just a Tinder Match, You. Have. No. Leverage. Your power plays aren't going to work yet.

Where to Meet Up

I always meet up at a bar. Usually an open one with a patio where we can have space. Do not go to a sit down restaurant. If you strike it off then you can take it somewhere else. But a bar is a good relaxed setting to vet her and see if she is who she is in person.

Bumble vs. Tinder

Both apps have their strengths and weaknesses.

Tinder is generally better for hookups or flings. The userbase skews younger(18-22 is the hot zone) and the userbase does not take it as seriously. A big pond with a lot of fish that aren't as interested in biting. There is more of a stigma attached to using this app.

Bumble is better for something more than a hookup. You will have more success in terms of % on Bumble but not as many overall number of matches. The problem is that the userbase is smaller and more inactive. It's a smaller pond with less fish, but the fish are more interested in biting. The active userbase will be a lot more serious. Also it skews older, which can be good or bad. You'll get more mature women(in terms of behavior) and not immature 18 year olds, but they are older(23-25 is the hot zone). Less of a stigma with this app, it has been accepted as something not to be ashamed of.

Given the 2 I prefer Bumble, simply because there are less games. The women who are active on there aren't going to mess around. Generally women you match with will be open to meeting up and won't waste your time. The issue is that you can run through the stack of active women rather quickly and it then becomes a waiting game for new women to start using the app.

This isn't saying Tinder doesn't have its advantages. Both are good apps, but fill slightly different niches. Tinder is a numbers game. Tinder is a shotgun, Bumble is a sniper rifle.

I do not recommend the Bee Line(Bumble's version of Tinder Gold) because there just aren't enough active women on there to justify it.

Restarting Profiles

People say its best to delete your profile and remake it because Tinder and Bumble automatically boost new users to the top of other's stacks for a couple of days. I've tested it myself to mixed results and no one seems to know for sure. I would say in my testing restarting a profile would backfire more than it would help. I think Tinder and Bumble both have ways of knowing if you are a retread or not. More often than not I would remake profiles and be seen by no one. I'd get no matches. At the very least you will know you are getting matches because even if you aren't a Tinder Gold/Beeline subscriber you will see those "Liked You" queue numbers go up anyway. But if it stays stuck at the same number, even if your preferences are a wide net, you're invisible.

I advise against restarting your profile too much. If you must do it, I recommend going dark for at least 30 days, if not longer. I've heard rumblings that your data is discarded and they forget you after 60 days, but who knows these days. Data is valuable, and I am skeptical of these companies discarding it. Some say all you need is a burner phone number or Facebook account, but I swear I think that these companies can track IP or facial recognition in photos because despite using a new phone and such they still seemed to shadowban me during my tests.

DO NOT USE A BURNER FACEBOOK FOR YOUR SERIOUS ACCOUNT. The problem is that burner facebook accounts, if flagged, can be treated like a spam bot, which will not only lock you out of your Facebook, but your Tinder/Bumble accounts as well. This has happened to me before, and I wasted money on my Tinder Gold subscription due to it. Use one for a scouting account, but not your main account.

The best way to do it is to make sure you have all your ducks in a row and shit together - pictures, bio, etc. before launching your Tinder/Bumble profiles.


Tinder and Bumble and other apps like these are weapons any red pilled man needs to have in his arsenal. There is no negative or downside to having them, and you have nothing but upside. It's a great way to run passive game to supplement your in person game. It helps you cultivate abundance and raise your N-Count. Even if you only fuck 1 girl on these apps every 2 months, that's still 6 additional notches per year that you gained through minimal investment. It adds up.

Anyone who shits on these apps or say they are a waste of time is an incel/MGTOW retard who sucks dick by choice.

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Title Detailed Roadmap on how to actually succeed at Tinder/Bumble, Version 3.0 (Summer 2019 Refresher)
Author mallardcove
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Date 12 July 2019 03:07 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]bayareaengineer201987 points88 points  (16 children) | Copy

I agree with 95% of everything this post says about improving your OLD odds. However, I disagree that you have nothing to lose. You lose your time which is pretty valuable. Let’s say your picture game is on point. You still have to filter through hundreds of profiles with girls who are there for validation, bored, or flakey. That’s a huge time investment just to get one date.

I would recommend following all these steps to improve your picture game on Tinder and other apps and present the best version of you as possible. If you find that you’re still not having any success or you’re finding that it takes an immense amount of time to only get one date then just drop OLD altogether and spit game in person.

[–]TheRedPillRipper10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

He does mention minimum investment to which time management is applicable. When I was OLD I got several matches despite writing essays and what I thought were good pictures(but in hindsight were bad). I did always push to meet in person because my f2f game is much stronger than my OLD game.

My good go-to line was always ”I’m not much for texting. Meet me for coffee at [insert public location] on Sat at 3pm.” All of this took very little time in terms of daily investment. The ROI was lower however almost all of those hookups ended in sex. Sex I wouldn’t have been having if I wasn’t online. It’s just a matter of perfecting what works best for you. Then going out there and killing it.

Godspeed and good luck!

[–]strikethrough1236 points7 points  (12 children) | Copy

Doing all of that barely takes ten minutes. And the best part? You can do it all whilst taking a shit. Let’s not pretend that sending a few messages takes 500 years.. If you consider 10-20 minutes out of your day to be a “huge time investment” then you better be some sort of god of productivity. What are you doing wasting your precious time on TRP anyway?

[–]bayareaengineer20192 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy

If it took ten minutes it would be a good investment. Swiping your allotted swipes in one day (assuming you don’t pay for it) takes 15 to 20 minutes alone. Take into account messaging back and forth, getting a number, planning to meet, getting flaked on, getting catfishes, etc. I seriously doubt you are spending 10-20 minutes on the app and walk into a bar with a date. Have you used Tinder before? If this is the case for you then great. Keep it going. I’m speaking to people who don’t have that same experience you have (if it’s true).

[–]strikethrough1231 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

If Tinder is a waste of your time, it’s because you aren’t having any success with it. Plain and simple.

[–]greenlittleman3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Or because it take you at least 10 hours combined to fuck one 5/10 whore using Tinder. I never heard about anyone who would do both daygame/nightame and Tinder who wouldn't say what quality of girls they get much lower on Tinder, while time spent isn't less. And yes, getting success (it means getting laid consistently, at least once a week, without using 2+ hours each day) on Tinder isn't about being in top 20%, more like being in top 10% or even 5%. Which could be impossible depending on your genetics.

[–]strikethrough1232 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Have you ever considered using Tinder before going out on the weekend? Rack up 3-5 matches and see what they’re up to on the day you go out. Greatly improves abundance mentality. You should try it.

[–]ogkushinjapan-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah i usually use tinder when pre drinking with the lads n theres no women arnd. sometimes i end up meeting my matches when partying downtown n meet their hotter friends. since we matched she'll even brag abt it to her hot friends too. instant validation haha

[–]usegao1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

As the article above explains, you shouldn't swipe your allotted swipes in a day. My own experience confirms this. Swiping serves two purposes, to signify to the app that you are still active so that you will still be shown and to match with your matches; all of your matches will be in the top ten cards anyway, so 10 is a good place to stop for a few hours.

Swiping too often in one day will only signal to Tinder/Bumble that you are thirsty, and thirsty users are invariably shown to less and less people until you are removed from all decks altogether. This is so that they can peddle you their products, as thirsty users are the most likely to spend money on the app. Infinite swipe features are completely counter productive for this same reason.

[–]bayareaengineer20192 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Good advice. I’ll try it out.

[–]usegao1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Oh and if you are in a STEM job like me, as I imagine you might be, you might consider just lying about your job. Teacher or pilot, something romantic you have some base knowledge of, perhaps one of your parents's jobs. Something about machines and people that build/use them makes women cringe. I got more and more matches switching my job from Programmer to Engineer and then eventually just "Sound Guy" (I install radio software on industrial grade tablets so close enough). There may be more tolerance for techies in the Bay area than down here in the LA area though.

[–]bayareaengineer20190 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Good to know. You’d think being an engineer would be a plus but I guess not.

[–]usegao1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wouldn't that make a lot of logical sense?

[–]Chaddeus_Rex1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If it took ten minutes it would be a good investment. Swiping your allotted swipes in one day (assuming you don’t pay for it) takes 15 to 20 minutes alone. Take into account messaging back and forth, getting a number, planning to meet, getting flaked on, getting catfishes, etc. I seriously doubt you are spending 10-20 minutes on the app and walk into a bar with a date.

Its certainly more time efficient than going out, mass approaching sets during the day getting a few numbers that ghost/flake. It takes about 20 sets on average to get 1 solid date/lay. On very good days, I can get it down to about 10-15, but that still takes a long time, because the girls you are attracted to are few and far between, you have to hold a conversation with them that can range between 5-10 minutes (more if you go for insta-date).

Nightgame is a huge time sink because you have to get ready, travel to the place (if you live far), stay at the place till closing to get a good shot or move around and stand in line. Then you have to approach mass sets as some girls are there for a 'girls night out' only, not interested in meeting guys, lesbians, bitchy, etc.

Taking all of this into account, Tinder is very time efficient (even if we include prep times) second only to social circle (or first if you have no social circle).

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

ou lose your time which is pretty valuable.

That's the case with any girl tho…

You think daygame or night game is any different?

For day game you have to approach 20 sets on a good day, to get a date (maybe) but most girls end up ghosting anyway because there is a 'stigma' for meeting a guy off the street - its considered to be 'weird'.

Night game is also a huge time sink. You have to go out, pay cover (or buy drinks so you have plausible deniability to be there), often times commute to the venues (if you don't live close by), dress nicely and approach many sets before one bites.

Its really no different in terms of time investment, in fact I'd say that other than social circle game, Tinder game is the most time-efficient even taking into account preparation times.

[–]MasculineDevelopment0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would agree, but compared to the time it takes to do cold approach this is 100x more efficient.

Cold approach takes hours, whereas Tinder you can have a date lined up in one night, from just an hour of swiping, conversation, and Snapchat/number closing.

[–]troutmask9632 points33 points  (18 children) | Copy

A lot of good stuff on here, though I don't see much of anything new from your previous guides. As someone who considers myself a very experienced player on dating apps, I'll add a few things:

It's obvious to me that your success (or lack thereof) in the dating apps scene is all about the pics. A great way to get good ones is to go onto Craigslist in your local area and find a starving photographer. I had a guy do a two-hour shoot that yielded 150 high-rez photos for a hundred bucks. And you want someone who will shoot a lot of photos, because you won't believe how many you'll end up not liking. And try to stay away from glamour shots, OP gets it correct that you have to show excitement and sociability, not just a pretty face and six pack. Girls want someone who will excite them, not someone that's gonna bring them back to watch American Psycho on their first date (I actually did that, but that's for another thread).

Another reason to get Tinder Gold is because I've been convinced about what I've read and also experienced myself about an associated ELO boost when you purchase their premium product. Every other month or so when I'm feeling like my pipeline is drier than usually I'll ante up for Gold, and I get far more matches when I do.

No GIFs, emojis, or exclamation marks in any of your text messages. Those are for the girls, and you are a stoic Red Pilled alpha.

Be very careful about re-setting your profile with either Tinder or Bumble. Both have gotten very good at identifying when this happens, and I actually got banned on Tinder a while back when I tried to create a second account, losing hundreds of matches and my Gold subscription in the process, and if you've never tried to engage with their customer service, trust me, you don't want to. There are some good online guides about how to re-set, and I do think you get the noob boost when you do it, but just make sure you know what you're doing.

I've heard the whole "five texts or less and set up logistics" argument, but some girls just need a bit more comfort built up before agreeing to actually meet. Obviously you need to decide how much time you're going to invest in messages to get to the actual first date, but if she's hot it's probably going to be worth it. Just hold frame and don't ever resort to interview-style questions. You don't give a shit where she grew up and what her career is, only how wet her pussy is going to get when you slide it in for the first time.

I always make sure to specify that we're meeting for drinks on all first dates. Too many girls show up expecting you to buy them dinner, and when you get one of the 40 or so percent whose pictures are from ten years ago, you don't want to be on the hook for a food tab. Which brings me to:

You're going to meet some girls who look a lot different than their photos. I think photos within the last few years are fine, but I'm talking about gals whose photos were obviously from 10+ years ago. I actually had this happen recently and after we sat down in the bar for drinks I excused myself to go to the restroom, got in my car, zoomed, and ghosted her. If she's going to be that dishonest about her looks then I got no sympathy for her.

Girls are going to flake, and there's nothing you can do about it. It's a numbers game, and if you cultivate abundance you'll get to the point where you have backup girls on speed dial when you have a date that falls apart at the last minute.

Tinder Boosts are effective, and I think the best times to use them are Sunday at 9 p.m. (you get the gals coming off another disappointing weekend and swiping furiously to find someone for the next one) and Wednesday at 9 p.m. (when gals are most actively engaged in making a connection for the coming weekend).

If you're in the top 20%, there is no more efficient way to set up dates and lays. After my Red Pill transformation, I've had to resort to a spreadsheet to keep track of all my pipeline plates. It's like fish in a barrel, with everything at your disposal and in one place.

And now if you'll excuse me, I have to get ready for a Friday night Tinder date, followed by a Saturday Hinge second date (with sure-fire hot sex), and Sunday OK Cupid date.

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Girls want someone who will excite them, not someone that's gonna bring them back to watch American Psycho on their first date (I actually did that one one date, but that's for another thread).

Hahahaha haven't laughed that much with a comment in years!

Please, do share your story!

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I fully endorse every word of this post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

I think i have been shadow banned by tinder. I used to get like 4 or 5 matches a night, usually around 8-10 pm.

I reset tinder the wrong way a few times creating new accounts, also i had some chat logs that if reported could have resulted in a ban, like if a girl said something insulting and i hit her back with an insult (this is like 1 out of 100 interactions but it still happened).

I created a new tinder using the right methods, but i think they might be able to link it to my old ones, possibly through my playstore account?

Strangely i used to go on a tinder date every week, i failed the vast majority of them but thats a problem for another day. Now i cant get anything at all.

If anyone has any ideas, i would be greatful, perhaps i can create an account on a virtual android machine?

I dont have gold anymore, but i can see i have 25+ people who swiped me, i saw a notifcation from tinder that said over 140 people swiped me, but because i havent matched anyone, i believe this has to be from banned accounts or more likely fat chicks, who i do not swipe.

If this is the case, maybe i am not shadow banned, but trapped in ELO hell. Obviously the elo ham demons love me tho.

[–]usegao0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

It is imperative that you use a new Google account in addition to a new phone number for each reset. For every Google account you have, Google Voice offers a free phone number for any one phone number you already have (landline or cell only, VOIP numbers like Skype will not work) and they will sell you additional phone numbers for $10 a piece. If you are not in a Google Voice area, just put an area code for a highly populated American city. Tinder doesn't seem to care if your area code matches the country you are using the app in, as long as the number is not from a "bot area" like eastern Europe.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

ah, i used the same google account as my play store account, to create a google number. Thank you for your help.

So i should create an entirely new google account, create a new google voice account. Remove tinder, sign into play store with new google account, download tinder and sign up with the new google voice number?

When i said i reset tinder using the right methods, this is what i did:

delete account and uninstall, create google voice number (attached to my main google account, the same one i downloaded the app from), then created a new tinder with the new google voice number

[–]usegao0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I'm actually not sure that was the issue then. Unless you had a paid membership, I don't believe the Google account gets send to them, so a new number would suffice. Some other possibilities are that you registered it from the same IP address both times or used any of the same pictures without cropping them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Fuck. I did use the same pictures. As far as ip goes, im using my mobile data connection.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

it would appear i got the noob boost already. 4 likes in 4 minutes

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i should just start my own damn dating service.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

hey thank you so much for your help. hopefully this will work better for me. Although i think tinder might be kind of dead in my city outside of fat girls.

[–]usegao0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I am actually going to venture off into in-person game myself while I get the look I need for these apps to work ready. LA is within 50 miles and those beautifu/instagram famous bastards seems to siphon off anyone remotely desirable. I need a win after a long a fruitless LDR, which had apparently been sustained merely so she could use my Hulu account.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

when i lived in calabasas i had the greatest time. Women were so much cooler and approachable there.I live and grew up in san antonio, south texas. I was blown away everytime i went to target, or a mall or something. Like normal girls are thin and take care of themselves. I saw hot moms all the time. Where i live is really really different, attractive women have so much more value here than their. Never did i have as much female attention than my 6 months in la.

Id kill for a weekend to just walk around places in l.a and just talk to women.

[–]usegao0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah its round about time I learned how to do that. I've been hiding behind depression and "social anxiety" but ultimately I know its all bullshit and I just need to man up. I got down to a normal BMI for the first time in over a decade for that Hulu ho, and have a sick new haircut, so I'm out of excuses. I believe Tinder can be useful but I don't have much steam left after 3 months of dedicated profile research and development, resulting in a grand total of 2 replies so far, neither of which went anywhere. My highest rated photo on photofeeler is a 7.5, but I'm not too far away from a six pack at this point, so a candid beach photo might unlock Tinder for me once I have one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I fell into the same whole, minus the BMI part. Im not rocking a six pack but never have i gone over 20% bf, probably sitting at 14 right now, with upper abs showing.

Anyway, i fell down the same whole, except instead of losing weight for me it was gaining muscle. So i learn to lift and eat, and i learn how to use steroids, and i put on 20 lean lbs, and i get a hair cut and i look good, and i got exactly the same amount of attention from women i have always got, not a lot.

I dont know what the solution is. thats just my experience.

maybe the solution is to make myself comfortable around attractive women. If i have to stand next to a 22 year old 8 i feel more anxious than fist fights ive been in.

Fuck theres a hottie at my work that i havent even talked to, i can tell she hangs out around me and shit and has tried to get my attention with little things and shit, probably just trying to be friendly, but i am like frozen with fucking fear.

Idk if i have a shot, but there is only one way to find out.

in a nutshell, i think that has been more of my problem than my looks.

I am fit and tan, but i think the social anxiety comes off as just disinterest and maybe arrogance. I think thats why i tend to butt heads with women, they resent me for being a dick but reality is i cant meet you on a human level because my mind is racing and my heart is doing back flips so im just going to go chill in my area and read shit about total war and talk to my boys and leave when chicks come searching for attention.

[–]usegao0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

There's a fancy shopping area near where I work, so I am going just going to ask one chick for directions over there once a day for as long as it takes to get this anxiety down to a dull roar. I'm pretty gregarious when I am on a benzo or drunk but its about time I retire that crutch. I can't pass shit tests half the time I drink, I get all bitchy and annoyed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yea i used to use benzos for that purpose but now i become addicted after only 1 or 2 small doses and have to deal with the withdraw, that's the kindling effect. I would go out to bars and stuff but the same thing has happened to me with alcohol, in addition to feeling sick during drinking and for 2 days after, even a small amount of drinks.

I should do something like your plan.

I'm scared my maternal abandonment problems caused changes in my brain that have permanently handicapped my life, now i am just like retarded or something.

[–]Kingern0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Girls want someone who will excite them, not someone that's gonna bring them back to watch American Psycho on their first date

Running Serial Killer Vibe game, I like it

[–]MasculineDevelopment0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I second this, I've also gotten banned a few times. With Tinder, I've been banned twice, so now I've got to get a burner phone to verify, lol. Haven't tried bumble or hinge that much though, I have a feeling that even though there's less girls on there, they're higher quality matches (more likely to actually meet up).

[–]1OneRedSock23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

What's that rushing over the hill? Why it's a wild heard of autists. "Your logic is x but the reality is y; this shit is a waste of time when I could just be fucking girls I meet at the Dollar Store like a real pimp".

Shit is simple:

You go out to do awesome things -- you know, live your fucking life. You take 5 minutes to get a picture taken while living your life.

You set up the app, put some simple bullshit in your description that identifies you as not a creepy douchey fuck.

When you take a shit each day, you swipe through for a couple minutes.

When you get a match, you message her and you either set a meetup within 4-6 messages or not and move on.


It takes as much god damn time as you're willing to put into it, and you will get results as long as you put effort into the quality pics. This doesn't mean a photoshoot for half your day, it means get your friend (do you have any?) to snap a few candids while you're doing your shit.

[–]majani57 points58 points  (11 children) | Copy

Your snarky insults don't change the fact that online dating has a very poor ROI. And this is coming from someone who had an overload issue(too many matches that I had to start turning off visibility every 10 matches) while I was on Tinder.

[–]TibetanWisdom6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy

Do you mind going into depth with what you meant by overload issue. I myself found if I made a new account I would accumulate 20-30 matches within a day. However, even messaging them I could not get a date, or I would and they would flake. Each match is juggling another 100 matches of their own and it instantly becomes much more competitive

[–]TwentyEighteen7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

20-30 matches is solid. You’re definitely doing something wrong conversation wise if you can’t get dates/ only gets flakes.

[–]TibetanWisdom1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

half are below average, so I unmatch. Leaving me with perhaps 12-15, half too far away, near city, unmatch. Left with 5-7. I initiate w witty/funny opener. Either no response, or some response but it fizzles.

After the 1st day on tinder, i get maybe 1-2 matches a day. So the first day your profile is given a boost and your shown to more people. Idk man.

[–]Nicolas06310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe being witty/funny doesn't work for you ?

[–]majani10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy

I was overloaded with matches, texts and numbers to the point where I was leaving very many girls unattended. After a month of this I decided to become super picky to filter down the women, but still majority of my right swipes would result in matches. At that point I started to turn off visibility, which means I can still reply to messages, but I don't appear on the deck. Despite all that successful screening, ALL the women on the app were hiding something material that quickly became apparent once we met/fucked. The best I could fuck was a barely responsive 9 who gave me starfish sex and turned out to be a single mother. And on the downside there are women who I suspect were homeless catfishes who I got to come to my house. After about 10 low quality bangs I just deleted the app and left around 50 numbers and over 100 matches unattended to.

Conclusion: Tinder is a haven for low quality girls to optimize their hypergamy. If there's one app that has given me good results, it's Instagram, but I've only fucked two women from there so I can't draw conclusions yet

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Huh? You're literally saying that you had a massive abundance of matches and only managed to bang "low quality women".

Do you realize how thoroughly you are rationalizing the experience?

[–]2awalt_cupcake2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe location and culture has a factor but I back majani up, guys who get laid of tinder aren't impressing me with their girls. Only guys who haven't had hot girls think their dates are hot.

had a friend tell me his buddy cracked the Tinder code. "Are they hot?" I asked. He said yeah and was serious. I met this guy later, short and chubby himself, and he shows me his tinder matches. Good looking in the face and definitely was hot once, but if your stomach is in a race to tie with how far your tits go, your girls aren't hot.

[–]majani0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Are you saying I'm low quality? Hell yes I was low quality for being on that fucking app.

[–]ogkushinjapan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

theres no way u can be overloaded with matches and only fucked 2 girls from ig. unless ur talking abt likes then yeah maybe theres tons of fatties swiping on u. hell even i closed 2 "ig models" from tinder and bumble and i dont get overloaded with matches

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

how do u use insta for lays? my insta photos are trash. I post and save interesting stories tho

[–]2awalt_cupcake0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is similar to my experience as well. Guys who are "killing" it on Tinder are usually not pulling anyone I've been impressed by. They're definitely moped girls. They're fun to ride, but don't let anyone see you on them.

Instagram has the benefit of carrying over social proof like Facebook does.

[–]Awxen10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone has a different homefield advantage. Yours happens to be tinder and I'm happy for you..

[–]disciplinedFreedom6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

I have to somewhat agree with this post. I used to get very very few matches on any online dating app. When I say few I mean almost none (unless I posted a shirtless selfie with head cutoff, which unsurprisingly got a ton of responses because I’m in great shape). I thought, “well I must be fucking ugly” and kind of just gave up on it. Recently, I started doing cold approach pick up in “real life.” I started going out with guys through networking that started on Reddit. When I started cold approaching I didn’t fall flat on my face. A ton of girls did not reject me. A lot of guys thought I’ve been doing it for years. Little did they know, I barely ever go out (well, until this past year or so). In the area I live I constantly get the comment, “ah you must be in the military” from girls and even some guys. I take it as a compliment based solely off of my appearance.

Back to the beginning. I never had any success on dating apps. But I was having success cold approaching with women positively reacting to my appearance. I though to myself, hmm, something must be up. So I decided one day to take selfies for a solid 15 minutes until I had a great pic at a great angle. One that showed off my physique somewhat, had a good angle on my eyes and face. Just one picture. And one that was an obvious selfie. I signed up for a few dating apps. Put that one picture up with a few other crappy ones (because I don’t take a lot of pictures). Within 5 days I had 20+ matches on okcupid, 10+ on bumble, 5+ on hinge and coffee meets bagel. Solely because I had ONE decent selfie of me. From almost 0 with crappy pics to 40+ matches in less than a week. Pics are everything. Even if you think you aren’t great looking, try to get great pics.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"are you in the military"

took me a long time to realize that was an IOI

I used to be kind of insulted when asked that, now i see it as really flattering, especially from a woman.

[–]Lefort30002 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Face is king on dating apps, but irl women actually get to see your whole presence and that means body matters more.

[–]disciplinedFreedom1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Absolutely, but you can optimize angle of the pic, lighting, tight fitting clothing, shirtless in "appropriate" situations to overcome avg to below avg face

[–]Lefort30000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

True, always include flattering pics of your body with face. And you can even photoshop your face a bit. This'll help someone average to below average but it still might not put them over the threshold.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

face matters everywhere lol. face is king irl. do better online than irl

[–]SICFJC6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

The only way is to be attractive. Someone did an experiment with pictures of a mega hot model; and basically called girls disgusting and gross and the girls were still Pushing for the meet

[–]Jabbermouth1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup the Chadfish sub was full of experiments like this. It got banned cuz some of the incels were sharing nudes or the girls they catfished. Such a shame I enjoyed getting a laugh outta that sub.

[–]SalporinRP5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy

You spend all this time talking about Tinder and Bumble but don't mention a single thing about the far superior dating app Hinge. Your picture and bio advice applies as well, but Hinge is far superior in many ways:

  • Far superior matching system

    • When a girl likes your profile she appears in a separate tab and you can match with her instantly.
    • You choose 3 out of 50 question prompts to answer on your profile
    • You can like a specific picture or answer on a girl's profile and respond to that specific one.
  • Much less time investment. Why spend all this bullshit time swiping hoping that a hot girl not only sees me in her feed but also swipes right when I can say a cheeky opener on Hinge and be guaranteed that she sees it.

  • Much hotter women. Tinder and Bumble are filled with landwhales and uggos.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't have any experience with Hinge. I do plan on using it eventually, but I do well enough with Tinder/Bumble to where I haven't had a need to yet.

[–]SalporinRP3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Trust me if you do well on tinder/bumble you can slay on hinge. It's branded as more of a dating app rather than a hookup app so you might find it harder to invite girls over to fuck right away but I've gotten with some absolute stunners using Hinge.

I just find it a lot more time efficient as well.

[–]SMRII0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I second this. Was matching with 6s and 7s with the occasional 8 (usually ethnic) and a massive sea of bots and spam accounts

Been on hinge for about 2 weeks and already pulling 8s and 9s

[–]kantianluvboat6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Take the dick out of your mouth when you talk to us, kid.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I just tried hinge after using tinder and bumble. It is a superior platform but it appears to have a lot less women in my city. If i was in a mega city like l.a or ny it might be different.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

how is Hinge more time efficient? I see a photo/question and have to think up a clever/witty opener. Its has to be different for each girl too.

For tinder I can get away with far simpler openers and often can reuse them.

[–]SalporinRP0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Because a girl can see when you like her so the match rate is much higher instead of how on tinder you need to count on a girl not only seeing you in her stack but also swiping.

Half the time on Hinge I just like the girl's sluttiest looking photo. The other half of the time I take 15 seconds to come up with a response. Not really that hard.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

When u like the sluttiest photo what do you say in ur response?

[–]SalporinRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I leave it blank. It sounds retarded but it's weirdly been working for me

[–]Don_Himself82 points83 points  (104 children) | Copy

> Anyone who shits on these apps or say they are a waste of time is an incel/MGTOW retard who sucks dick by choice.

L: putting this much effort into getting a few flaky low quality sluts to match when you could have put this effort into a craft or recreational hobby and get yourself out there in person with beautiful women in real life.

Online dating stopped being viable 10 years ago when everyone figured out the value of women has been over-inflated to catastrophic levels. You'll put ALL this effort in gaming some bitches that appear to be 8s and 9s, when in reality theyre 5s and 6s. Because the real 8s and 9s of the world are out modeling, or doing interesting hobbies, whoring on instagram for sugar daddies, or married etc etc. Not swiping on faggots on tinder/bumble.

Stop trying so hard to bang 5s, shit's pathetic. Delete all these dating apps and go out and build your harem by seducing women in real life. Apps are a crutch for the antisocial incel, and thtas a fact. Any battlefield where women have the advantage over you be default is designed to cuckold you. Avoid like the plague.

[–]Tutsks20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

You know, I saw this post, and this reply a while ago, and something bugged me. Just got back from the Gym and realized what.

Yo, sperglord, this is quality content. The kind this place used to have. Sure, Tinder is a cesspool, but, have you looked out there?

Everywhere is a cesspool.

There is no promised land of cute, faithful, respectful, non thots, at least not in America. The ones there are are few and far between, but hey, its a numbers game.

Sure, spending all day on Tinder is bad, but putting a few mins here and there and seeing if something bites?

More importantly, teaching people to fish? Those are good things.

I mean, I dunno, just where is this promised land you profess of, with quality women everywhere in real life? Cause I'll tell you what I see, mostly everywhere:

Ratchet with tatoos on the tatoos, and bottom of the barrel thots.

And yes, you can meet people doing a hobby, and I myself picked some of my best girls from dancing classes/clubs at Uni, but lets be realistic:

  1. It is not always sure you'll even get someone decent in any activity, and rerolling them isn't all that easy.

  2. Not everyone has access to those things, and not all the time, either.

Finally, women have the advantage in all battlefields I've seen. You always win the girl from her 5 orbiters. Single girls without a galaxy of betas surrounding them are Unicorns. And whores who would cheat on whichever idiot is with them are clearly not worth building anything with, so.

There is no battleground that favors men. You can change yourself and improve your odds so much that the competition pales, but, at the end of the day, its still their market.

TLDR: What are you, a crab? Push people up, not pull em down. Gonna make a guide for whatever promised land you know of? I'm game, but why shit on quality content?

[–]majani7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Real life is in the man's favor because 1. you can spot the physical flaws immediately and next 2. Most people are so wrapped up in online/social circle approaching, real life approaches are seen as novel and brave

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

real life approaches are seen as novel and brave

not really. in metropolitan areas like Toronto that has a ridiculous amounts of pua's, where every second guy has heard of game/practices game/with a high percentage of rich dudes, approaching is common.

moreover, approaching is seen as 'weird' by many girls because they think 'what kind of desperate creepy guy approaches girls on the street?'

I was also on a date with a girl from bumble a few months ago - she was from Spain. She told me that she hates guys approaching her over there because 'who gave them the right to approach me? I don't want to be approached...I'm in a hurry and its weird and creepy'.

This is not an anglo girl saying this, but a European one. This tells you the views of girls in multiple places in the world.

This means that approaching is not as efficient or good as you think.

[–]Don_Himself3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yo, sperglord, this is quality content.

youre just hype because you think youve finally came across a guide that's gonna break your dryspell on tinder.

newsflash: nothing you said changes the fact that the only women actually meeting up with guys off of a dating/hookup app to actually fuck are low value & desperate. i.e., fat and/or ugly, 5s at the very best. regardless of your smv.

another fun fact: even just associating with people of lower value will rub off on you and lower your value/frame in some way you wont be able to register.

a law of the universe: avoid the unfortunate.

with that being said, yall niggas robbing me of my Good Fortune with your beta mindsets and replies. IM OUT

[–]NYCSPARKLE30 points31 points  (54 children) | Copy

Bro. If you live in a major city there are real viable options. I’ve dated models from dating apps.

Plus tons of girls who are visiting will be on them too for recommendations / vacation sex.

[–]Don_Himself19 points20 points  (38 children) | Copy

Do you seriously believe ** hot ** women are on apps actually meeting strangers and having sex with them when they can literally go ANYWHERE else on the planet, in real life, and get quality dick from whoever and whenever without the cringe of dating apps?

"Yea i can easily net me several thousand ESTABLISHED Chads IRL from whatever circle i choose but lemme risk it all and just get me some chode on TINDER"

Normal/hot Women use dating apps to boost their self esteem and feel like entitled queens. And you all fall for it, every day.

Only the ugly ones who have no real IRL sexual options will actually risk it and meet guys from apps. and only low IQ and unattractive men who dont have much success IRL dating love apps. weak ppl love path of least resistance. because if you have a successful sex life IRL, you would NEVER waste your time on a dating app where women are getting 1000s of messages daily (even ugly ones).

Regardless of how popular your city is.

this is why vast majority of manosphere have ALWAYS been against online dating. strictly. it makes you look automatically low value no matter your pictures, and it kills your drive to go out and conquer women IRL.

[–]5Imperator_Red17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you seriously believe ** hot ** women are on apps actually meeting strangers and having sex with them

Dude you’re a clown. Dating apps are mainstream, so yes, hot women use them and yes they fuck guys off there. I’ve never seen someone who is so defensive about this shit.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

You do know those hot women are getting hit up 20 times a day in real life too right... The female advantage in dating is there not matter what field your playing on. To me its more of an age thing. When they pass 30 and the attention dies down they see what reality is. Before then they are in a bubble that is difficult to penetrate regardless of venue.

Theres just as many hot girls with social anxiety as there are hot girls with alchohol problems so I dont really get your point. Personally ill take a girl with anxiety due to the overwhelming nature of being an evolved monkey in an exponentially expanding technological society.

You can have the chick that needs a few drinks and some false romance at a bar.

[–]Don_Himself5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You do know those hot women are getting hit up 20 times a day in real life too right...

Youve clearly never seen the phone of a hot girl, or even decent girl have you. Every single girl's phone Ive """ accidentally """ looked into had literally 1000s of unread messages on a lot of these apps.


IRL, she could get hit on 200 times a day and it wont come anywhere near as damaging, boosting, and spoiling as the type of inflated sense of worth she gets daily from her smartphone/pc.

Also in person, only the BOLD will actually approach her. Even fewer will actually hold her attention, and even less seduce her to fuck.

Online, everyone's a superchad online hero. Big difference.

So no, all battliefields arent equal. Thats just a male hamster trying to enable sad ass hookup apps.

Do better, all of you.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 18 points19 points  (12 children) | Copy

You'd be surprised. A lot of women I have had success with are women who are new to the area and don't know many people yet. One example.

[–]Nicolas06310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There almost no absolute it life. That it doesn't work for you and many other doesn't mean it can't work. Just mean it is maybe a wasted of your time, not necessarily OP.

[–]VisiblePlan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

They want attention, retard, and tons of spergs are more than happy to oblige. It's why they use Instagram too. It's just another social media for them most of the time. You clearly haven't met many hot women.

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They want attention, retard, and tons of spergs are more than happy to oblige.

lol yea bro so theyre T O T A L L Y meeting every single incel sperg like you who DMs them. keen insight Lord of Pussy, what else wisdom you got for us.


[–]bjcm58910 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

"Convenience is not your friend".

[–]trollreign0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You talk like you live in the '90s when online dating was this shameful, niche thing that only a few people, the lowest of the low, used. Wake the fuck up, online dating is mainstream now. Tinder is full of 8s and 9s, and they are fucking around like crazy. The fact that you are unaware of this shows how little your opinion on the subject matters.

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Tinder is full of 8s and 9s

Yea sure thing bro, every guy has matched a Salma Hayek and Megan Fox before. It's maInsStReaM now bro, Arianna Grande just left my crib and we matched on Bumble 2 hours ago.


[–]trollreign0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm sorry, are you retarded or something? Don't want to be picking on the mentally challenged.

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

thats it, no more dick 4 u

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

"Yea i can easily net me several thousand ESTABLISHED Chads IRL from whatever circle i choose but lemme risk it all and just get me some chode on TINDER"

how is a girl going on vacay to a new place for the first time gonna meet chad without dating apps? especially if she's at the place for a few days?

Also, a lot of girls are interested in foreign dick. In my experience. It piques their curiosity, you think hot models are any different? Of course not. Some of the hottest girls I fucked were from online. They just wanted a taste of foreign dick is all.

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

how is a girl going on vacay to a new place for the first time

LOL you i see youve drank the Eat Pray Love koolaid. only men and average women go on vaca ALONE. a hot girl is rarely EVER alone. EVER. to them, being alone means death since they cant absorb any attention & validation.

you took an L when you suggested hot women live the same as the average population. they operate on a whole different universe.

and risking an encounter with a chode who actually uses tinder to meet up with women NEVER crosses their mind. it's actually hilarious how so many people fall for this, tinder and OLD is pretty much the amplified version of "THIS HORNY HOT GIRL IS IN YOUR AREA READY TO FUCK!!!!" ads you see on pornsites.

how can all of you be so goddamn retarded? thats that incel shit smh

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

I know it to be the truth bc I've seen legit hot women alone on vacay and I've smashed them too. What's ur credentials

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

yea man, totally, everyone is out here smashing Megan Foxes and Kate Uptons, Sofia Vergaras etc etc etc. tinder is legit, there really is HOT horny girls in your area that are down to fuck ASAP!!!

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

everyone is out here smashing Megan Foxes and Kate Uptons, Sofia Vergaras

are you retarded? Obviously your average dude won't smash celeberties because of the smv difference. but the fact of the matter is that hot girls go on tinder.

either you live in the boondocks or don't get laid if you don't know this.

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

but the fact of the matter is that hot girls go on tinder.

hot girls are on all the apps using it for its real purpose, and nothing more;

to accumulate the attention & validation during the hours her real life Chads dont text her back, from idiots like you who think IF they play their cards JUST right, totallly smokin Stacy is going to meet up and FUCK!

if youre too dumb to understand what that means, it means that every single legit beautiful woman you ever matched has used YOUR notification (and literally THOUSANDS of others) to boost her selfesteem that was wrecked by by the guy she loved but didnt love her back. she had no intentions of meeting up with you, ever, because she like most people understand that guys willing to meet from an app are low value. no matter how goodlooking, charming, and ToTaLlY awesome his profile pictures are. youre a dweeb.

this was all true when OLD first came out, and it is still true today. except now in OLD, the market is oversaturated and the female SMV is overinflated so youre now getting flaked on by entitled 4s and 5s that know how to appear as 7/8s/9s.

the fact that i have to explain this shit on this sub of all places tell you how cucked the sub is.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Bro I'm not stupid. Obviously SOME hot chicks use it for validation. But MANY MORE use it to get laid.

How do you explain all the hot chicks I've smashed on vacation that I got from tinder? How do you explain that were hot and successful (doctors, lawyers, etc)

You're having a hard time understanding a simple concept. Jesus

Also, let's see your pics tough guy. If you're gonna call me a dweeb put your money where your mouth is or be forever known as the loud mouth pussy I bet you are.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (13 children) | Copy

Yea this dude is an idiot who probably goes after low smv club trash.

I have gotten with many high tier women (college cheerleaders, dance team members, models) from apps

[–]whuttupfoo11 points12 points  (12 children) | Copy

You think cheerleaders and dance team members are high tier?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy

Please entertain me on what you consider high tier

[–]Chaddeus_Rex-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

there's no 'high tier' girls.

only varying amounts of hotness.

I've seen slutty girls that are club trash. I've also seen equally slutty girls working as legal counsel for the federal government on anti-corruption cases (they LOVE dick in their spare time especially foreign dick), I've also seen super slutty girls in medicine.

It hardly matters what field/where. Just enjoy them and stop judging.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Lol wrong. “Chad” my ass. Low smv tinder trash

[–]Chaddeus_Rex-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Says the guy not getting laid. You think girls off of tinder are any different?

Let me tell u something funny - met a girl from street game. Looks Chinese/conservative. Smashed her same night. Was in bed within 2 hours of meeting without going on tinder. Wanna know where we met? In front of one of the best universities in the country.

Wanna know something else? She showed me her friends that have a body count of 100 in a year. And they don't do tinder. And they are in the best uni in Canada.

Jokes on you if you think only tinder girls are trash.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Haha not getting laid? I fuck hard and often

Enjoy your Waffle House waitresses though you filth

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Haha you're so stupid you contradicted yourself.

You fuck girls who like ducking and blame me.for fucking trash bc these girls like to fuck.

See if you understand that statement.

[–]5Imperator_Red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

This thread is infuriating. Time for the sperg ban hammer.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So anything you disagree with should be banned? Ironic considering this sub is quarantined.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hell yeah, get them before the strip club does.

[–]1RevolutionaryPea7-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm just going to say it: bullshit.

[–]oldschooltx9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

A while back I matched a 30 year old semi hot girl on there who hit the wall before I knew what the wall was.

I was in sad shape, just got rekt in a couple relationships for being blue pill, low testosterone in my most beta of forms.

She spotted me a mile away, matched, and everything fell right into place and I thought about those incels whining about the dating apps.

Not me.

I smashed the first day, she sucked my dick like a whore, and said right then and there she wanted to be with me.

I was like wha?

She said she knew what she wanted when she saw it.

I took her to dinner and she lost her fucking mind, talking shit to me. I checked her ass, but red flags were everywhere.

At this point, I come to trp and get insights.

Instead of nexting I keep her at arms length and continue to fuck out of scarcity, but also to study.

Ive discovered what the wall is and I study her every move.

I took her on the boat one time lakesurfing with my buddy who is a natural alpha, of course she wanted to play my girlfriend and my buddy had his girlfriend too.

We also had another friend who brought his girl as well.

The non alpha couple minded their own business and had a good time, but my girl...

She was different.

She couldn’t take her eyes off natural alpha.

When he was surfing, she was at full attention, tossing him the rope and clapping when he was on the waves with great enthusiasm.

When I was out there, she forgot I existed.

Didn’t even throw the rope to me, and didn’t even watch me on the waves despite the fact that I’m presto good.

She couldn’t control herself.

My point is this bitch hit the wall and used tinder to find a beta male to escort her around.

I later learned from her sister that she gets beat down all day every day by randoms off tinder.

She’s as scandalous as they come...

And that’s how to get matches these days on tinder.

I would argue that the more beta you look, the better.

Just gotta keep swiping and wait your turn.

[–]SomeGuy12511 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I took her on the boat one time lakesurfing with my buddy who is a natural alpha

Why in the holy hell would you ever think that was a good idea?

[–]Nicolas06310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And you think this never happen when you meet a girl IRL ? Or even less often in pubs/clubs ? Quality women don't need to get there to get a man. Even cold approach this is the same. An attractive woman doesn't need for men she never seen before to approach her. She already have hundred men she know that tried.

The task isn't easy for a man whatever the strategy.

[–]2CasaDeFranco0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Indeed, the reason why most men here think all women are whores is because a significant portion of men are plating tinder quality women who put out to any man that takes a little care of himself.

The reality is AWALT, but these women are not a good reflection of average women you meet through social networking or through day game.

[–]rockstarsheep2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Your opinion, which is limited as is, might very well only apply to the USA. Outside of it, you’re totally wrong. And that’s what limits your opinion.

[–]Don_Himself2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy


Not All Women Are Like That


[–]rockstarsheep2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That’s your words, buddy. I did not say that. Have you ever been abroad and lived in 2 or 3 different countries?


[–]iknowthewhey9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

There are plenty of girls on these apps, especially those in the younger age range. A lot of these girls and their friends are actually on these apps looking for a dude. While I agree you shouldn’t spend a ton of time on these apps, nothing wrong with potentially setting up a few dates from these apps and it’s pretty low investsment.

[–]Don_Himself2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

of course there are plenty of women on these apps. millions.

most are ugly and desperate. and the hot ones are only on it for attention & validation.

no matter how hot a guy is, youre just 1 of 1000s to her, and a hot girl is not going to risk shit by meeting a """ hot """ guy on a dating app when she has literally thousands of guys shes already met IRL, and fucked the few of them, as she will always choose her safest option (hint: that safe option is not a random from goddamn tinder)

[–]feedthecatcomics3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good lord you clearly have no real experience mr armchair warrior. Please stop commenting everything you have said is wrong, I know from personal experience.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Are you saying women "only" fuck safe options? please STFU

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your IQ is far too low. Banned until you absorb side material.

[–]5Imperator_Red1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Online dating stopped being viable 10 years ago

What are you talking about? Ten years ago it wasn’t mainstream. It was only creeps and weirdos and no one did it. It started getting mainstream and therefore good like 6-8 years ago.

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So that just means online dating was never viable in the first place.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Let's reduce this opinion to reality.

How many girls have you taken out from a SOD app and fucked?

[–]Count_Giggles0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Definitely truth in there. However, investing time in OP' setup is a one-time investment which will pay off over months if not years. Once it is set up all you need to do is spin the meat carousel while on the toilet. As he said there is nothing to lose. Could come in handy in a dry spell or simply to keep your shittest game up to par.

[–]Don_Himself12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

just like porn, online dating/hookup apps fry the fuck out of your brain, shift your mindset, and subsequently affect your hormones negatively. both short term and longterm.

many wish it was as simple as you describe, but it simply is not.

[–]Count_Giggles2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

point taken. i guess it depends on the dose. as op said "don't overswipe". sure his reasoning is to not get flagged by the elosystem but at the same time it takes care of overdoing it. as long as derping around on tinder doesn't affect ones frame/game all should be well.

[–]SalporinRP1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

Tinder was the most popping like 5 years ago so I'm not sure what you're smoking

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

yea man, totally, dont forget how much poon you pulled on Myspace too bro

[–]SalporinRP3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy

too young for myspace but tinder first hit the cultural zeitgeist when I was in college and it was like shooting fish in a barrel with that many girls in the vicinity.

[–]Don_Himself3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy

everyone fixated on quantity of fat depressed women on these apps, never worrying about the quality.


[–]SalporinRP2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

they weren't fat depressed women. They were college bimbos you idiot

[–]Don_Himself-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

Oh so being in college automatically makes you slim & happy, never fat & depressed.

good shit

[–]SalporinRP1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

College women tend to be in better shape than older women yes. And I don't give a fuck if a girl is depressed if she's just coming over to my apartment for a tinder hookup as long as she's hot.

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

ok so you enjoy fat bluehaired dyke feminists """ cOlLeGe """ girls just because theyre on tinder and theyre in """ """ KAWLEGE """ """

[–]SalporinRP0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

If you think that the majority of women at a 30k person state school with a greek culture are fat bluehaired dyke feminists you're an idiot.

It sounds like you just never got any pussy in college and you're bitter about it.

[–]Ochialoc0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Dude, relax a bit. People overcomplicate a lot. The steps to online dating are quite strait forward. Lift and be fit. Taking about 4 pictures with a good camera. Swipe on the 7+ you find. Say some sort of hi opening. Ask for a date (usually in about 5 messages). Meet them, fuck them and ghost them. Can't get matches? Lift harder. That's it. The app and interactions usually take around 10 to 15 minutes a day.

[–]Don_Himself2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Swipe on the 7+ you find

LOL yea man just DM all these super models, pornstars and pop stars on social media too while youre at it

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Apps are a crutch for the antisocial incel, and thtas a fact.

This is total bullshit.

Just because some guys suck at OLD's, doesn't mean it isn't a viable option.

is designed to cuckold you.

WTF, do you even know what that word means?

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

nto a craft or recreational hobby

you can have all the hobbies you like, but in my experience it takes too much time/effort to seduce girls from those. tinder is far simpler.

also, there's a new upcoming generation of girls every year trying tinder for the first time that don't know the rules yet. and they will take a few years to figure out the rules. so use it to ur advantage.

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

tinder is far simpler.

those of low value will do whatever it takes to take the easiest road that requires the least effort. thats why theyre stuck where they are.

and thats why tinder is only full of beta males and average uninspiring wannabe models women.

also, there's a new upcoming generation of girls every year trying tinder for the first time that don't know the rules yet. and they will take a few years to figure out the rules. so use it to ur advantage.

it's of Low Social IQ to think girls dont have The Red Pill hardwired into their brains by BIRTH. youve learned all this RP shit, THEY created it. as women are the Gatekeepers of sex.

So no, you cant pull fast ones on """ innocent """ girls whove been sucking dick by the age of 11/12. this aint 1920 son

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ur right girls are the embodiment of redness, doesnt change the fact that it takes them a few years to get tinder (usually 18-19). I've pulled a few fast ones on young girls before that were skinny and good looking.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Lol sounds like someone is ugly and can’t get matches.

[–]Don_Himself1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy


i wanna say sorry that my IQ is higher than your testosterone

read the side bar and maybe you wont spend your free time swiping right on depressed sluts that use you to boost their low selfesteem while cucking you with several of their exes who Alpha Widow'd them


[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lmao nah dude, I dominate you in every aspect.

[–]Don_Himself-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

democracy is cucked and nowhere near the alpha Fascism, thus the second your trash username appeared in my notifs, u lost

Thank You, Next

[–]Wiley-canvas 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Guys - this guys posts on DBZ subs and come here talking about how he gets 9s/10s lmfaoooo don’t think he should be taken seriously

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Not only are you canadian cuck, but you play pokemon going on reddit BEGGING ppl to trade pokemon.



Hold this L and this block you canadian faggot

[–]duce361217 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

I am 6'3, in my bio I don't explicitly list my height, instead I wrote if youre up to my nipples you get a cookie. that's it. Implies that I am tall, and gives the girl an easy opening to start the conversation herself. Ever since I changed it to this phrase almost every girl hits me up first and they all say the same thing lol, guess I don't get a cookie ladada…then I take it from there.

[–]Notagain63528 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have a DUMB rate of conversion on Tinder. All because Im a fucking asshole on the app.

My bio is literally a checklist.

"Must be skinny. Got a little pouch hanging out? Get your salami sandwich ass out of here

Over 5'8? NOPE

Wide shoulders? NOPE"


I dont even use it anymore but I remember I had at least 10 girls OPEN ME saying Im a dick. Still matched me tho lmao. Just make your bio as funny as possible

[–]RandomWordsssss25 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy

You had me until you said leather jacket lol

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here's the thing: all advice is going to be colored by personal experience. Mallardcove included that piece because he really believes it. He probably got a lot of compliments that reinforced the leather jacket thing.

What TRP is about is trading notes. Those are his. They might work for you, they might not. You might want to do them, you might not.

The key is trying, filtering, and deciding for yourself what to keep.

[–]Protocol_Apollo5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fully agreed, dating apps require so little investment- get good pics and buy tinder gold here and there

Then you can PASSIVELY find girls who are interested in you, you swipe on girls whilst you are waiting for a coffee, on the toilet etc

There’s so little to lose using these apps SUPPLEMENTING your IRL game.

People slagging it off just haven’t truly understood its power and need to get with the times

[–]MedicalNothing 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Why to avoid pictures of skateboarding? I stopped when I was 16 and suffered that decision since, I finally returned now at 29 when I stopped giving a fuck and became shredder and top pink who destroys streets again. So why is that upmost individualist picture not for dating profile? There is not much more originality than this...

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It only appeals to a small niche of women.

[–]Patriot292 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good, actionable advice. I want to share a strategy I figured out lately that has been massively successful for me. It also addresses another hotly debated topic on TRP, the utility of social media.

I think it’s true that most girls who actually spend any serious time swiping on the app are of lower SMV. The model-tier girls, sorority smoke shows, etc. don’t waste their time with the app. They just create a profile with few photos, put their Instagram in their bio and leave it at that. The common consensus is that these girls are only looking for validation/followers and never actually meet up with anyone from tinder. I used to believe this because I’d rarely match with them, despite putting myself solidly in the top 10% of men.

So now I don’t even swipe right on these super hot girls anymore. I just look them up on IG and like 2-3 of their photos (but do not follow them - that’s too much investment). If I interest them, they will like back my photos and/or follow me. At that point I DM them and set up dates easily.

This works for me because my IG is very solid. I’m ripped and have shirtless photos in various places around the world. I also take interesting scenic photos, and almost all of them are from my travels to 30+ countries. And as a result of that, I have large number of real followers and likes and comments on my photos, giving me social proof that they would never see on tinder.

So, if you have a solid IG, I recommend using tinder as a search tool to find local hot girls that are looking to bang. Then you can leverage your IG to draw much higher interest and response rate from those girls. Since using this strategy, I’ve found and banged more top tier girls more efficiently than I’ve ever been able to using day/night game.

[–]thebadguy895 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thanks for this great guide. I think I read an earlier version of your guide where you recommended restarting your profile at some point because of the "noob boost" or a reset of your account's ELO, but it seems like it's not a good idea if they can detect you.

What would you recommend to do in my situation - I'm currently on Bumble getting not many matches (yes, i know my picture game sucks) and I'm about 50% on the way to getting a six-pack and at that point I think a shirtless pic would help me a lot. Would you recommend I just get off of the app for now and not even bother trying to swipe, or delete my account and once I get a six-pack, reopen the account?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Depends on how far away you are to getting those abs. Won't be a bad idea to shut down now regardless, and restart when you are ready.

[–]cyn1calassh0le20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy

Internet dating is for mentally ill and damaged women. If that's your cup of tea then be my guest.

[–]fdsafdasfdsafds 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

Internet dating is for thirsty men without other options. Why in the hell would I put in the time and investment for a digital version of myself when the real me already has women within reach out in the real world?

Unless you're incredibly attractive and photogenic and, yes, enjoy fucked up women, I wouldn't even bother. All this time and investment is much better spent gaming face to face.

[–]p3n1x2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why in the hell would I put in the time and investment for a digital version of myself when the real me already has women within reach out in the real world?

You are currently on Reddit and not fucking. What is the difference? Why try to bullshit shame one thing and not the other?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] -5 points-4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Who said you can't do both, dick sucker by choice?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are a grown man. I dont understand why every "endorsed contributer" is trying to be an edgy teenager by saying things like "dick sucker". You seem to have followed on from edgy king himself gaylubeoil. It isnt necessary and is just crude.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Internet dating is for mentally ill and damaged women. If that's your cup of tea then be my guest.

You think the women irl are any different? LOL!

I've seen legal counsel working for the federal government working on anti corruption cases, med student girls, nursing girls, etc act like the trashiest club sluts outside and inside the club. All the while they have a professional veneer at work/outside dates.

Jokes on you if you believe that shit.

[–]BrabusS63 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Here is my stance on bios. They can not help you at all. They can only hurt.

Has anyone read into or looked at TaySocial’s Tinder bio hack? He has a set bio that gets hundreds of girls reacting really positively to it, and he has many photos of people who bought his bio sending proof it works well.

[–]banana_apple_pear7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

Thanks for putting in the effort in writing this.

I feel a lot of girls mention in their profile something like:

  • No ONS

  • No Hookups

  • Looking for something serious

  • Looking for a friend to drink coffee with and explore the city

What would your advice be regarding these women (assuming you are not looking for a serious relationship but for xxx only)? Not even bother? Or should we not take these kind of statements too seriously?

[–]therealpkg41 points42 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ignore. These are nothing but shit tests. I wouldn't even bother reading a profile until you matched.

[–]Ueberlegenheit14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have to read it. If she's only seeking validation and mentions any of her social media - > swipe left.

[–]thedaynos21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

"no hookups" is just a shit test and makes her feel good. She'll still hookup. Been there/done that. It's a running joke with my friends. When we see a "no hookups" profile we screen shot and share for a laugh.

[–]5Imperator_Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s literally exactly the same as real life. No girl tells you she’s looking to get pumped and dumped.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't even read girls profiles until I am ready to escalate to logistics. That way before asking for a number, I check the profile briefly to see if there are any red flags. But if you read her profile before you start bantering with her, it can put you at a mental disadvantage. Treat all women the same.

[–]TheImpossible18 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

using bumble

I too love throwing money at those who despise me.

[–]5Imperator_Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s free

[–]1warlordchad3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This post is for pussy ass faggots who suck dick.

Oh wait, just because I said you suck dick doesn’t mean you do? Holy shit!

Whatever dude. Nice write up and if guys can get pussy on swipe dating, cool. Do it. But most guys are better off lifting and learning cold approach—it’s better for your game and better for your frame.

But the fact you had to pre-neg people who disagree with you means your argument isn’t very strong. Keep banging 5’s and 6’s on Tinder and call yourself a player.

[–]Denver_Luv36 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I could have written this guide and four years ago it would have been accurate. Not anymore.

[–]Whopper_Jr6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

OPs writeup is good, this article is a good counterpoint. I haven’t used apps since college (4/5 years ago), might pop back in to see what’s up

[–]RedRealer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A note on the account resetting check out the SwipeHelper account. It is proven that tinder/bumble track phone number and facebooks. If you reset they will lower your score

[–]jack_napier691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

so much strategy for a chance to maybe fuck a person that bores the everliving fuck out of you wowee

[–]Hjalmbere1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Smashed a lot off Tinder but now it has become a waste of time since they changed their algorithms. I live on the far outskirts of a medium sized European city (1.5M) and I used to get a fair amount of matches changing the location to the city centre. Nowadays I only get likes and matches with women who seem to be doing the same location thing and live even further away. I neither have the time nor the inclination to travel 100 km to try to smash sluts. Irl is waaay better. You don’t have to filter for secret internet fatties and you can instantly sense if there are any sparkles between you.

[–]SpecialSpnk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is an excellent guide. I changed up my pictures lately and have been matching left and right. My game just is not 100...what I would add is that add a pic of you and a dog enjoying the experience.

My first pic is me holding a puppy and looking down, smiling on it, second pic is me on a jetski in the water, third at bjj with a compression shirt full front face smile, 4th I am petting an alpaca looking down not smiling, 5 it's a super cloudy day with me looking out past camera and have a massive shadow on me with a boat and wakeboard in background, and lastly is me on my gsxr 1000 on the race track.

I have been getting roughly 5+ matches every time I open up the app. It is insane how much changes the pics around has helped with matching.

[–]strikethrough1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your SMV needs to be at a certain threshold for you to even get any attention from 6’s. I’ve had Tinder for a while (4 years now) even before TRP. The difference in the number of matches and quality of matches has increased exponentially with SMV. It’s not a joke when everyone here tells you to lift.

Most girls would rather hook up with the ugly strong jacked dude over the good-looking skinnyfat bozo.

[–]1takethedive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Years ago, I was heavily into online dating and it was what led me to meeting and fucking countless women. I was also heavily addicted to vices such as technology and dopamine spikes from validation, spent a staggering amount of time on Tinder swiping, messaging hundreds of matches, and my phone was constantly buzzing and overflowing with New Dopamine. At the time, this made me feel like the King of the World, even though what was happening was I was constantly interrupting and/or ignoring The Rest Of My Fucking Life.

These days, my phone is on Do Not Disturb permanently. The less fake dopamine, screen staring and constant interruption, the easier it is to consistently operate with clarity and purpose. Ten people (boss/family/select male friends) make my phone ring when they call, and that is all. As with most present day social vices, I feel Tinder (and its reliance on the functions that addict us) has the potential to rob a person's life of so much more color, clarity, appreciation and focus than it might add in bonus sluts. My experience is both subjective and anecdotal, but tech-enabled dopamine addiction is catastrophically widespread and has been for decades.

What is your take on the state of dopamine, validation, social media and technology addiction in today's young men, and do you believe that adding Tinder to the toolbox is a net positive, even if the scope of any man's success there is measured in some part by how much more distracted from the rest of his life he could become as a result?

You are teaching men to leverage another resource of pussy. I support that, case closed. But what do you think is the most effective teaching strategy to help inspire men to become Better Than They Were, and is this the best way to execute? In my view, Tinder/etc requires that to varying degrees these boys or men reinforce the compulsive, mindless, uninvolved, low-attention, validation-hungry dopamine drone addictions that contribute to their problems, and the solution is to minimize that shit or cut it out entirely.

Are we still working towards the same goal? How do we leverage present-day tools and technology to educate, learn and improve one another without opening the door to sabotaging our own aims in the process? TRP is a toolbox, and I'm not implying it's better not to share, but with the arrival of such a well-timed, educational and accurate post, I'd like to learn more from your perspective.

[–]bjcm58911 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is what we've been reduced to?

You shouldn't need to put this much thought and effort into getting girls off Tinder. Like provided you're in reasonably good shape and your profile don't scream desperate/ white knight/ creepster then it shouldn't require this much overthinking. Provided you pass this criteria, you have value to begin with. It shouldn't require a world-class performance just to bed your run of the mill Tinder girl.

Face it, we've screwed up big time as men. Instead of putting the onus on women to be a better proposition, we're instead putting pressure on our fellow men to up our game?

Too bad the girls you're making this kind of effort for (for the most part) have virtually no redeeming qualities besides their looks.

You're joking me, Jackie.

Is this what you work your arse off to achieve and improve yourself and get a Hollywood audition-style photoshoot for?

So you can bag a bunch of entitled, basic girls off Tinder with no respect for themselves, or for you? Is it all worth the 10 minutes of average sex?

Like it's bad enough that they're so bland and lacking in substance, but let's ignore that for a moment. The worst part is thinking you should have to do all the work and make it a truly amazing, unforgettable encounter, have unbeatable "game" and clearly display high SMV. You're effectively telling men they need to drive an Audi, wear a tuxedo and put aside $500 just to order from the McDonald's drive-thru window. No thanks.

And if you don't make this effort, then you can go into the Tinder trash bin with all the other "incels" and "MGTOW's" because the girl has hundreds of options and if you protest this then it's YOUR fault and your loss, because plenty of other boot-lickers are happy to line up and beg in your place, then brag about their meaningless conquest like they're some kind of a rockstar.

I mean it's like come on bro, that's moronic. You're acting like you hit the jackpot, when all you've done is further justify the unrealistic standards of a generic Tinder girl with a terrible attitude and personality, AND you've screwed both of us over in the process.

I can already hear the protestations here:

"Lol incel/ MGTOW/ blackpill loser- just because you can't get laid"

It's such a damn shame that even guys on an apparently "red pill" sub use the same kind of shaming tactics I'd expect from the type of loser who thinks going through your comment history and using the fact you post here is some sort of epic put-down. Like sure go ahead, let's focus on that rather than the tidal wave of dysfuntion you're allowing to run rampant through the sexual marketplace.

FTR I'm not MGTOW or what people call "incel"- I like meeting and dating new girls, and I've slept with enough girls to recognise that sex isn't worth the pedestal so many guys put it on. I simply refuse to waste to much time and effort playing a game that is rigged against us. Instead of spending thousands on pick-up "gurus" or enlisting a professional photographer to get more Tinder swipes, we should seek excellence instead and vote with our dicks. If she's the kind of girl you can only stand to be around when you want to get a load off, then don't even bother to start with- future society will thank you.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You sound upset. Only someone truly butthurt about other men succeeding on Tinder would take the time to write this essay.

[–]bjcm58911 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for confirming my point.

[–]farminggil1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I’m new to RP (4 ish months). Can someone help me out here?.. it seems to me the amount of time and dedication it takes to be successful with this M.O. directly contradicts some basic RP principles, namely “don’t give a fuck.”

I feel as if this guide has a glaring fault—there is minimal value placed on my time and resources. I don’t get why I’d spend so much time on a marginal chance of success when I could better use that time for something else, like making money or working out.

[–]InfiniteTrees 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

swipe for 10minutes a day, while you're on the toilet having a shit. have a conversation and ask for her number and set a date within 10 messages. if you can't do that, you're a faggot, enjoy not getting laid

[–]farminggil0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Fair enough, I mean that’s my typical activity on Tinder. What I’m referring to is this man’s fucking manifesto on Tinder success. It’s hard to believe anyone actually puts that much time into their Tinder profile

[–]___Lana___1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

[I met my king 5 years ago on Tinder, and two of my best friends were active on the app in the last few months, I watched them swiping a lot. I’m from western Europe.]

For what it’s worth, here is my input. I agree with most parts of what you said, but :

  • Bios : I used to read them EVERY time before swiping right on a guy. #1 if the pictures were great, but I didn’t like sth in the bio, I’d swipe left (for exemple, a smoker is a no-go, dumb quotes and spelling mistakes as well). No bio = no risk. #2 If I was undecided on the pics, that could push in one direction or the other. Same for my friends.

  • Height : if not disclosed in the bio, it’s one of the first thing I’d ask (I’m 5’4, but often in high heels, someone under 5’8 is a no-go). If you are tall (6’0 and more) it’s a HUGE plus.

  • Tinder Gold : it makes you look like you need to pay to get matches. To me and my friends, it looks creepy. Same for Superlikes, it looks thirsty... to us, you begin with a disadvantage.

  • Pictures : the devil hides in the details : a kid toy in the background (is he a father?), engagement ring (thx, but no thx), a chain bracelet or a short sleeved shirt (redneck!), etc. If you are a 9 it won’t change anything, but if you are a 5 it probably will.

  • Flake : if she’s hesitant to meet up, especially if it’s her first Tinder date, offer to see her in the daylight, grab an icecream and go in a crowded park. Bars at night can be scary. Never say « I’ll pick you up at your place », I’d be scared and refuse. Cute girls are taught to be careful. Smarter girls are even more careful.

At the time I was on Tinder, I got about 140 matches in a 4 months frame (400k city), talked to about 100, dated 8, fucked 1 (my King) (but I’m into BDSM, which makes things harder, because I would not fuck a guy if he was not dominant). Among my friends it really depends, but cute girls easily have about a hundred matches in a few months frame, date about 1 guy per week, and fuck only if they have a great feeling.

In my relatives : - single girl friends that are not on Tinder : NONE - girl friends that met their SO on Tinder : about 3/5

IMO Tinder is really worth it, but each country/place is different. As OP said, you have nothing to lose.

[–]mountainbiker1782 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't realize you could tell if someone has tinder gold?

[–]CryptoViceroy3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Great quality post.

As you say, pictures are the most important yet hardest bit to get right. Currently struggling with that one myself.

Spent the past year killing it in the gym and built a good physique which will be great to showcase. But the downside of course, is that all of my previous travel/outdoor/group photos (where I was a skinny DYEL) are dead in the water.

So now it's trying to get those varied photos without them appearing unnatural or staged.

[–]cwdizzle1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lmk if you have any success doing this how you did it. I’m in the same boat.

I don’t really know anyone where I’m staying rn so it’s difficult for me to get pics w other ppl.

[–]CryptoViceroy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've had some success getting the odd shots on my own.

Basically I just head out with a camera (phone works too), tripod and a few t-shirts/shirts/sweaters. Pick a scenic location with good lighting and set the camera up on record. Walk around, strike a few poses. Rinse and repeat, changing location and clothes.

Then you can run through the footage and export the best still images from the video.

That works for a few photos, but you can't use those for your whole profile. You still need more varied shots - group photos, action shots, travel shots etc. which you can't really stage - and those are the one's I'm struggling with.

[–]needy_asshole1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Long, informational, guided posts like these are the reason I love this sub.

[–]DarthBroker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

u make valid points. I need to delete my profiles and start all over.

[–]5Imperator_Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good post and obviously true. The level of defensiveness in the comments is mind boggling. Sorry if you can’t get laid on tinder. This means you’re ugly and/or too stupid/lazy to spend an hour making a non-shitty profile, and your fragile little egos can’t handle the truth.

I’m a guy that provably hovers around that top 20% level, certainly not 6’3” model top 5% ultra-chad, and I got laid plenty off the apps. Some hot girls, some 6s, and a few nasties when I just needed some pussy.

[–]gabeangelo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

why would you just avoid it all together?

Because a study demonstrated that after weeks or even months of not getting a match or not getting a woman interested in chatting, can have an impact in the man's self perception of value and cause a decline in self steem.

I don't remember which youtuber whos a PUA gave a link to such study.

[–]guywhoisambitious0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Hey looking for advice on this:

Pretty much my only pictures are from a photoshoot outdoors (a few pics indoors) I went to a couple days ago. I wore 2 different outfits. I have about 5 amazing pictures in each outfit. Clothing on point, I look fit, haircut on point.

In your opinion how many pictures in each outfit should I use to start my tinder account. I’ve never used tinder before. I’m also not active on social media. I’m 19 btw.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

1 each. Re-using pictures in the same clothes will just give the appearance you have no life.

Different clothes for each picture you use, no exceptions

[–]guywhoisambitious0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But then I’ll only have 2 total pictures, for now at least. Can I start with that? What would you recommend I use for those 2 pics (I’m talking about poses). How many of the 2 smiling? How many looking at camera?

[–]doubtless_abyss0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Great post as usual. Serious question: in your opinion, when you're using Tinder Gold to pull girls out of your queue and they appear on the weekends but you delay matching with them until Sun-Weds, does this give other men a 24-48 hour advantage if they match and message over the weekend (since timing is everything)? Also, please clarify your 50 swipes/day theory - are you doing this on weekends too or skipping Fri/Sat?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

does this give other men a 24-48 hour advantage if they match and message over the weekend


I swipe 50 times every day. No more, no less. about 10-12 swipes at a time.

I don't delay matching with women based on day of week. That's for boosts. If a girl shows up in your queue on the weekend it means she is looking.

[–]ScoobySquats0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Swimming, sports, motorsports, skydiving, and such work here. Avoid pictures of skateboarding

Nice try, but I'll continue attracting alternative and goth chicks with my skating pics

[–]NikolaGeorgiev0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

>Tinder only works if you are in the Top 20%
Not anymore.
Nowadays it works good only if you are in the Top 5%. Maybe even less.

[–]Geleemann0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Too many girls use Tinder for validation. Aren't interested in the slightest with anything more than that. Haven't used it in years, got better shit to do

[–]BlackendLight0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Guess, my pictures still suck. I thought the photoshoot would help lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have found that for me, the best strategy is to get them on snap chat, talk to each other through DM, then send her some snaps, try to get her to send you some snaps, then start having a conversation through video snaps. Women on tinder have so many matches, and so many guys talking to them at any given time, you have to get them off that fucking app as quickly as possible, before their attention wanders.

I have found that is the best way to screen for potential catfishes ( women have no shame about using a photo from 30lbs ago), and to actually start building report, comfort, and hopefully attraction.

Using snap to video chat, is more laid back than face timing, because they can respond whenever, and women today are used to talking on snap as their primary form of social interaction, a lot of women today are terrified of talking to an attractive man they dont know, unless they are painted in make up and have a buzz on.

[–]Cryptoguru7770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I consider myself quite advanced but certainly learned something from this - especially striking while the iron is hot. I didn't do this at first and missed two gems because of that, I later realized.

Did weekend I actually did strike while the iron was hot and it appears this one (true gem) is really into me and might turn into a relationship of some sort. If I would've waited this would have not happened, possibly as she claimed to be on Tinder for the first time in a long time - usually I'd just assume she'd be a lying hoe but it seemed really sincere.

[–]ArponeQ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think ELO points are gained by moving Stalin’s geographically and not staying at home like I did for 3 days with 0 likes and 0 matches. Then I left home and went to the city center and the next day I had 2 likes.

Can I ask you a question? In your experience does help setting the Show Me to “Everyone” so that you get many more swipes right from men? For me it seems to not work at all but one time I got a like from a girl when trying this.

[–]Ryzasu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why no skateboarding pics? And does this also if you're <20 years old?

[–]-q-m-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I had to create an account just to test this theory.

I have never been superliked by any girl. Today I was.

Today girls messaged first.

What sorcery is this...

[–]3aglee0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why the fuck bother with Tinder and compete with thousands of regular guys when you can cold approach like a boss and have literally no competitioin?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Did you even read the post? YOU KNOW YOU CAN DO BOTH? It's not like the two are exclusive.

[–]mantools0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just covered this here: Some good advice, a few things I don't agree with, like the bit on opening lines. They definitely require some thought and the reason this podcast is patreon only is because I share the line that landed me a shit ton of dates and eventually my wife!

[–]juicybrah690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I didn’t read this whole thing but to me as a guy who gets laid more than most on tinder it just seems to overcomplicate the whole thing. I’ve been on tinder for 3 weeks and slept with 7 chicks off of there so far. What I do and what I believe the formula for success is is much more simple.

Rule #1: Be jacked.

It certainly doesn’t hurt to be attractive facially either which I’m sure helps me. But I believe even without my above average face I would still be doing fairly well just based on being very lean and muscular and unlike your face this is something you have direct control over.

Just to drive the point home this is by far the most important piece I’ve got 3 pics. First is an incredibly douchey nearly naked mirror selfie. Second is a pic at my brothers graduation and 3rd is another shirtless pic that I had sent as a progress shot to my coach leading up to a bodybuilding show.

2: I noticed the post above was talking about how you want to prove how your not a douche and I couldn’t more vehemently disagree. That is exactly what you want to look like. If you could see my profile it’s almost comical what a self absorbed douche I look like. By doing this not only will you sleep will more girls and more attractive girls but you will save valuable time not matching with girls who are looking for boyfriends etc.

Anyway like I said haven’t read the entire above post and maybe when I have time to read it I will agree with some other things in there. The main point I wanted to make to you guys is this shit is SO SIMPLE. If you look like a muscular attractive douchebag who sleeps with hot girls than hot girls will sleep with you. I already had had plenty of success with women before tinder but where I can see some definite value in the platform is for guys who aren’t as experienced but are good looking/muscular. This is because if you can do the things I have outlined above the rest literally takes care of itself. I literally have hardly spoken a word to some of these girls before they are taking they’re clothes off(I have them come directly to either my house or a hotel room so they know what the deal is and are either in or out.)

If anyone here has any questions about any of this I will be happy to answer them.

[–]jdat570 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The picture part has helped me a lot and I’m a fat dude (working out n shit. I’m down 20 pounds) my profile is blunt and what I want: John 29. I’d like to bring tacos and eat you out, have sex and we can go from there. The surge in matches is excellent and exciting and get maybe 20-25% of them messaging first. My message I copy and paste(change the name). Hey, Sarah. Can’t wait to talk to you and see you sometime soon. Let me know when you’re ready. That gives me about an 80% chance of getting replies and 70% of the time laid. Average 2-3 bangs a week. I don’t flatter them unless I’m eating them out then it’s the best tasting pussy in all the land. Very cut and dry and to the point. I met my last ex this way then she tried to stab me when I said she was a bad mom (I know “not cool” but she is always drunk and was bad). Hope the best dudes.

[–]dontbethatguynow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you're any good, you dont need to find girls on the internet.

[–]modTheRedPike0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you post this on, I'll post a link here from time to time like RPS does.

[–]lefthandofjhereg0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Somewhat off topic: What are the six best picture types for women? Do they correspond to the male ones?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It depends. Women have a lot more options when it comes to pictures because women are far more in demand on these apps, they can tailor their pictures to the type of man/situation they are looking for. Women will get matches no matter what, so their pictures need to be tailored toward the type of match they want to get.

If they want cheap sex, pictures that cast them as a slut/party girl.

If they want something more long term, pictures that cast them in a responsible light.

If they want someone to be a step dad for their bastard kid, pictures with their kid.

[–]MasculineDevelopment0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Incredible guide, man. I agree 100% - anyone who sucks at Tinder is doing so by choice, and is likely a MGTOW incel or something. It's not that hard to get really high quality pictures up there, especially if you're already jacked and even semi handsome.

Good looking loser had this theory that you don't need to be "really hot" to get laid, you just had to be "above average" and have good game. I agree 100%, although I think on Tinder it's a little bit different. On Tinder it's LMS all the way (looks, money, status).

I talked about this in an article here, but basically you just want to flex those three things. If you're jacked, pictures of you at the beach, at the pool, etc., that look NATURAL are like chick crack. They'll swipe right almost all the time. Beyond that, the money and status are somewhat important, but not a lot.

I'm only 5'8" and slay like a mother fucker on Tinder, simply because I'm well above average (as per GLL's theory). That's all you need. The rest of it is 100% a numbers game. You just need to be willing to put in the work and the girls will come.

[–]1RevolutionaryPea70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just want to say that I'm MGTOW even though I have dozens of lays from tinder so fuck off with that shit, OP. You're being divisive and negative unnecessarily. Negativity is the easiest way to make pussy dry up, but the way.

[–]nobody_thinks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i haven't read this post but it looks awesome

[–]thedaynos-4 points-3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Anyone who shits on these apps or say they are a waste of time is an incel/MGTOW retard who sucks dick by choice.


Setting up a legit profile takes minimal effort. Spend an hour doing it right.

Swiping takes 2 minutes. And responding to matches takes an additional 1-2 minutes.

I take shits longer than 4 minutes. I can do this while taking a shit.

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

It's not a waste of time for seasoned redpill players, but for low SMV newbies, it's has a terrible ROI. Cold approach, lifting, and career are much better investments than spending time and effort to get good photos when you're fat, boring, and have no friends.

[–]SalporinRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. I think every TRP thread about dating apps should come with the asterisk of "Don't even try dating apps until you are in shape or good looking."

If you are fat and ugly don't even waste your time.

[–]thedaynos-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

for low SMV newbies, it's has a terrible ROI.

but if the investment is literally an hour of setup time and then swipe/response while droppin a deuce then I really don't see how it's a waste. Just get out there and try. Trying and failing even is better than not trying, especially when it takes such minimal effort.

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. I'm not saying not to try. I think every man should be looking for good photo opportunities all the time and seeing if tinder gives them some swipes every few months after some improvement.

My point is, If you're not getting a lot of swipes with the pictures you have and don't have a six-pack or solid game or really good fashion, its a poor investment to spend more time optimizing the profile.

[–]JacobM00re-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

My opener: "What's your number?"

No time wasted, straight to the point. If she asks why, tell her you're not on Tinder often and that it's better to message each other on iMessage/WhatsApp/Telegram.

Approach #1 is best, but this is better than sending a cheesy GIF or just saying "Hi".

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I tried this before and it didn't have a good rate of success for me. Remember, the creep/douche assumption. Asking for a number as an opener does nothing to prove your innocence.

[–]TwentyEighteen2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This method is not a good success rate. 10 lines of conversation then asking for the number/Snapchat would make it way higher with not much effort

[–]Field_Of_View-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Muh Tinder only has girls on there who want validation. So? That doesn't mean 100% of them are, faggot.

Akshully, if there were "only" such girls there then that would in fact mean that 100% of the girls are such girls, faggot.

[–]AvocadoBathroomTiles-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I have lots of pictures gathered as per your recommendations. Could we arrange a consultation where you help me filter out best ones according to your experience?

[–]troutmask960 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Go to and upload your images. You'll get great feedback.

[–]AvocadoBathroomTiles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have read that photofeeler is not good for Tinder. Basically there are guys complaining their photofeeler pics get high ratings, but Tinder profiles don't and vice versa.

[–]Im_sleep_-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The snarky, douchebag that created this post really needs to learns some humility and quit it with the superiority crap and thinking he's jesus or what have you. And quit acting like a 12 year old sperg when it comes to MGTOW. Having pent-up anger or unjuistifiable hate towards someone who's associated with a movement you don't like is pretty close-minded and beta just saying.

And i love how kiddo here says that anyone that shits on dating apps is a incel/MGTOW that "sucks dick by choice" lol i guess your parents sucked dick by choice since they more than likely got together in a time period where their was no social media, internet, or dating apps oh wait. Also that's a pretty close-minded statement what if someone who slays pussy on daily says that dating apps are a waste of time what would your response be then?

[–]urbanfoh-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Imo every Game advice on this sub should be discounted by how attractive the author is. If you are 6'1+ your advice does not count much.

If you'd be 5'8- I'd take your advice much more seriously.

Btw that is why RSDmax and Owen are so successful. They are genetically disadvanteged and have sexual success. You can be sure that it is because of their Game.

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