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Anyone notice most that most Chad's/alphas tend to be very positive people rather than dark triad?

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Askerman97_returns
July 29, 2019
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I know the standard archetypal dark triade is popular on TRP, and I've known some of these people in real life, but I think maybe sometimes people on TRP fall into the trap of thinking that you have to be like to be a Chad with women.

I'm 22 years old for reference. Most Chad's I know who do well with women and also with people in general, tend to be VERY positive people. Not in an annoying cheery sort of way, but just very grateful people, when you meet them, they make you feel like a million bucks. They have an attitude towards life that you just can't buy.

The biggest Chad I know is a black dude, who's about 6''2 and 200lbs, 13-14% bodyfat. He lifts. But his attitude is just so positive and uplifting. It's like his love for life is infectious. He's very optimistic. I've met others like him, who are also extremely RP with women.

The dark triad types exist, but usually other aspects in their life are shit. Their familial relationships and relations with friends turn to shit. I've known these guys, where they do great with women but completely fuck over and betray friends. Whereas the more 'positive'/uplifting types, not only do well with women but just do well with people in general. Its very hard to dislike these types of guys.

Thoughts?


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Title Anyone notice most that most Chad's/alphas tend to be very positive people rather than dark triad?
Author Askerman97_returns
Upvotes 80
Comments 64
Date 29 July 2019 09:02 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/247232
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[–]CainPrice41 points42 points  (1 child) | Copy

When you're getting fucked with regularity, you'll be in a better mood, too. For now, fake it.

[–]CockyAndHot64 points65 points  (16 children) | Copy

Ted Bundy was considered very charismatic. Part of Dark Triad is people skills.

It's the capacity to be dangerous that is attractive, not the danger itself. It's similair to the saying "learn to fight so that you don't have to".

[–]Askerman97_returns 1 points [recovered]  (15 children) | Copy

Yeah, but I'm not talking about the people who learn good social skills and pretend to like people, I'm talking about those people who genuinely do love meeting and socialising with people. Think Richard Branson.

[–]LarsleDarsle29 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe they're that good they have you fooled

[–]Psychological_Radish12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy

I don't doubt that Branson or Warren Buffett are genuinely pleasant in their personal relations. But you don't become a billionaire by playing nice. You just don't.

Buffett's negotiation style is basically my way or the highway. He tells you what he's offering and that's it. No compromise. But you still feel good about it because you're associating with Buffett, one of the most iconic businessmen in the world. He is extremely conscious of his public image.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Buffett also had multiple OLTRs on the DL but don't tell nobody. Definite Chad.

[–]Psychological_Radish1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Off topic...but no. Buffett is textbook Beta. His first wife Susie - who was a dopey airhead, by the sound it - really wasn't that into him, but he persisted like the Blue Pill teaches with grand romantic gestures. Eventually she relented when her parents pressured her to marry him.

After the kids were grown, she left him to "get a space of her own" or some shit like that...e.g. go fuck a bunch of strange cock before she was too old and ugly.

I will give Susie credit for waiting until their kids were out of the house and not embarrassing him publicly with a divorce. She also encouraged her friend Astrid (now his second wife) to start dating Warren.

[–]Askerman97_returns 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

No self made billionaire is a beta. You don't get to the top 1% of people in America without having elements of Alpha.

[–]Psychological_Radish1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh God, this conversation. Again.

Alpha in the boardroom, Beta in the bedroom.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll admit to only reading one of his biographies (iirc "American Capitalist"), but between the lines it seemed as if he was basically having threesomes with Susie and Astrid, and eventually Susie decided to leave so she could pursue a life outside of Omaha.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Branson is as ruthlessly evil and triad as they come. He just knows that and therefore has spin doctors and on point PR.

[–]Askerman97_returns 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I'd actually say Bill Gates is a better example of someone with good PR and closer to 'evil', by all accounts Branson doesn't seem anymore ruthless than the typical high powered businessman.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"

  • Baudelaire

[–]sanos724 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

Alphas embody both within one man. That's why it's so confusing for guys. It's not either or. It's contextual.

They can be the benevolent leader, the magnanimous king. They bring benefit to the group by being a positive, supportive and uplifting force to everyone around them. Can be cheerful or laid back or just about anything. That's just a matter of personality and individual strengths.

But, they can also be the ruthless killer. When they or theirs are threatened the daggers come out. In whatever way they can, they will not hesitate to take out their rivals.

Different leaders possess both to different degrees. There is a spectrum.

[–]Drakane13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

pretty much this. my dad is nice to me but my mom tells us storys of him making employees cry because they fuck up

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed44 points45 points  (9 children) | Copy

The entire point of being a successful triad is that your craft is consummate....

AKA you don't know I'm triad and I'll appear to you to be happy friendly alpha, or sad depressed beta, or best friend, or worst friend ever because I've determined the best way to use and abuse you is to slip on whatever cloak I need to achieve what I want.

You don't see us because we choose not to reveal ourselves.

(That's the psycho part.)

Don't be naïve.

[–]Askerman97_returns 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

There are people who can put on a front and appear to be the positive charmer (triad). And there are those who are just naturally and genuinely positive, happy and confident (genuinely so). That was my point.

There are people who are like that and aren't orchestrating an elaborate ruse....that's just WHO they are. These people exist and are rare.

Are you telling me you've never met one?

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

They rarely make it to the higher levels of society if they don't understand nor play the game.

So, no, my life is devoid of naturals.

[–]Askerman97_returns 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

That depends on what you regard the ''higher levels of society''. If you mean strictly financial success/business world, that's dependent on a lot of things. Ruthlesness is a requirement in all businessmen.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I understand JP gets a bad rap here, but "disagreeableness" seems to be a more accurate description of what you mean.

[–]jimmyg19710 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is absolutely 100% not true. There are business owners who are ruthless but there are more “ruthless” people who are flat broke.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

You don't see us because we choose not to reveal ourselves.

You're endorsed for good reason, and this is the truth.

That said, shamelessly hijacking top comment to point out that some of us just don't have the triad in us. We just don't. To try to be so would be inauthentic.

On the bright side, it's not the only way to be "alpha." Engaging in "manly" activities, succeeding at work and with women, engaging interesting strangers in fascinating conversations, enforcing boundaries, building shit.....these can all add up to being a very happy man.

The brooding image in the OP is just more manshaming. Although I think OP posted in good faith, this is another trope used to put men in their place.

Because unhappy men are good little consumers trying to buy their way out of the voids in their lives.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You don't see us because we choose not to reveal ourselves.

Unless you're illegally doxxed.

[–]celincelin34 points35 points  (7 children) | Copy

Dark triad is a TRP’s very own homoerotic fantasy. In reality, successful men are positive and relaxed, why wouldn’t they be?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Exactly. American Psycho is not real.

[–]celincelin1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

On TRP they imagine Hannibal Lecter or some crap when they talk about psychopaths, while in reality psychopaths are basically emotional retards, what's to admire there is beyond me.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is from the movie.

[–]mental_models0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Can you tell us more about homoeroticism?

Sounds interesting, and something to avoid. You seem to know a lot about these things.

[–]celincelin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just ask your dad brah.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

This glorifying of sociopathy, IMO, is one of the worst things about this sub.

Sociopathy is a largely hereditary condition (.6 out of 1.0, IIRC), in which a brain glitch causes people not to feel empathy. For obvious reasons, this can help guys get laid. But that doesn't mean it's an ideal to strive for.

You want healthy, non-narcissistic self-esteem. Not to ape the behaviors of sociopaths.

[–]NeverOnADiet 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

You're a sociopath, as well as a useless incel NEET parasite.

[–]XxXMixolydianXxX0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody cares what you think neveronadiet, you're subhuman trash, nobody likes you, yiu don't matter

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

I am reminded of this quote, by (or attributed to) Al Capone:

"Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I am kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me."

I am quite a cheerful fellow IRL, but if you cross me, I will never grow tired of hurting you. It becomes my hobby.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Brother!

[–]james3374-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

iamverybadass

[–]Rayquaza19994 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I agree, I noticed that the guys who everyone likes are generally really positive and uplifting. They are usually funny/confident as well. Charisma is a skill you can build, it can help a lot with social interactions and getting girls.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whatever gave you the impression that positive and dark triad are opposites?

[–]Sin-Silver6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Honestly, if you a positive and optimistic person, who looks forward and savour every social encounter, then your probably going to turn into a Chad/Alpha.

Some people are well built, and have up bringings that natural put such personalities and outlooks into them.

[–]zboo1h2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The most positive and uplifting and friendly and fun dudes I ever met were through a good friend of mine who spent a good deal of time in the army. All of them were super fun and outgoing and ripped and jacked and I really don't think that's a coincidence. Perhaps achieving things and understanding your own power makes people happier, and thus more personable.

[–]ibetrynaimprove2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

People with dark triad characteristics tend to be more charming, so it would be hard to discern unless you observe some major discrepancies based on their actions.

[–]GGrub84 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The two aren't mutually exclusive. People who look sociable and positive can be incredibly coldhearted and ruthless without you realizing it. Like most girls, whom are natural machiavellians and narcissists.

[–]BrodinsOats0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s interesting to consider these two different strategies in terms of evolution and game theory. Positive reciprocity-oriented socialization vs more self-serving dark triad.

If most players are using the former strategy, then you’ll have the latter strategy emerge in competition to take advantage. Slowly the two strategies will competitively balance out over time.

Furthermore, players might change strategies based on the situation. It may behoove you to have both tools available.

TL;DR both are viable. I am in agreement that I prefer to be more positive, but maybe that’s just our temperaments.

[–]send_it_for_the_boys0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don’t be the guy that’s like “look how fuckin alpha I am”. Just be respectful to those who deserve it, be a respectable man too, be a leader and set an example to your peers, if they don’t want to do it don’t force them just do you, have gratitude, have empathy when need be, be confident but really confident, give your best to everything you do, be open minded, not a know it all, work on not judging others and yourself. Have values and stick to your guns. Things that don’t matter let them go, don’t take things or yourself too seriously, Accept compliments, if you’re going to be nice and do things for people don’t expect things in return, unless of course you make an agreement to do so beforehand. When things start to make you mad, decide if it’s really worth it? Probably isn’t. Don’t start trouble, but don’t be afraid to stand up to confrontation. Don’t pick on the little guy. Don’t talk shit about people behind their back. In fact don’t do it period, unless you and your buddies are just screw-in around with each other no harm done. I think of being alpha as being a bad boy but a good man. But not a bad boy as in an ex con or a crack dealer. As a guy who breaks “rules that don’t exist”. Such as Being able to say no, and stand up for yourself, asking for and going after what you want, all these things man. And if you can do all these things and have a positive outlook with a little bit of a give em hell attitude, you can go along way in life.

[–]RevolutionaryPea70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, of course. Negative people are disliked by most. Positivity is attractive.

[–]Alphabetron10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty late but I knew a guy drafted in the first round of the NFL and that man didn't give a fuck about smv. He'd talk to fucking anyone and didn't care what stigma it had on his reputation because he knew he was alpha and no matter what he did he'd still be elite. He definitely was one of the happiest dudes I've come across.

[–]YoungHealthyAndWise0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The Dark Triad just seemed like a myth to me, but maybe it's just because I just don't fully understand it yet. Is it to be strived for? I have always been taught ( and thus made it my own opinion) that psychopathy is not to be strived for, and is seen as bad and unhealthy behaviour. I would really replace it with stoicisism.

[–]Hedser910 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think the word you're looking for is optimistic, they are optimistic

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dark triad is fake made up pseudo-science. Sociopaths are not rich guys like "American Psycho." They set small fires, torture animals and commit petty crimes.

Nobody should desire to be that.

[–]thesnowman170 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Interesting but you are not fully correct. There’s actually a difference between psychopaths and sociopaths, hence the movie name “American psycho.” Psychopaths are that way by nature and do tend to be very successful and very driven.

Sociopaths become sociopaths due to their upbringing, “social factors,” etc. Clinically, they are the ones who are underachievers that do that “torturing animals” type of shit.

I would guess that more dudes tend to be sociopaths and more women are psychopaths, but there’s still plenty of each for both genders.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They are mental illnesses and involve uncontrolled behaviors. No rational person should aspire to be in these mental states, ever.

[–]ForrestAlpha-4 points-3 points  (8 children) | Copy

Lol ITT OP thinks being a Chad means having a sesame street personality

[–]Askerman97_returns 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy

So optimistic people are sesame street people? Lmao.

Optimistic >>> serial killer/Anakin Skywalker edgelord.

[–]ForrestAlpha-5 points-4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Lol whoever said anything about being Chad meaning you have certain type of personality ?It's not a personality. Fundamentally being Chad just means being confident & decisive. Anybody can be confident.

Also i think you are using the wrong definition of dark triad (the psychology definition, not the trp one).

TRP definition:

  • Narcissistic (ie. Confident & self-assured)
  • Thrill Seeking (risk taker, bold, courageous)
  • Independent/Indifferent (doesn't need anyone else, amused mastery)

[–]Askerman97_returns 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

...Then the TRP definition of narcissism needs to change

Narcissism is a psychological disorder whereby the people are NOT confident and self assured. That's the exact OPPOSITE of narcissism. Narcissists are insecure and care about what others think. Confident and self assured people....don't

Narcissists can often appear confident, but it's false confidence.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep. Not sure why folks here think mental illness is to be desired.

[–]ForrestAlpha-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Narcissism as in you are a high value man assured in himself, you know you are the prize not the woman, and you make that clear to her.

Remember everything trp is in the context of sexual strategy

[–]Askerman97_returns 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

So when did TRP decide to phrase that as ''Narcissism''? Being assured of yourself and your worth is just self-confidence, the opposite of Narcissism.

[–]ForrestAlpha-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're thinking too much in extremes. When people say dark triad they obviously aren't referring to having mental disorders the same way a psychologist means when they say dark triad.

But there are elements of those mental disorders that are valuable when it comes to human interaction. That's what the pop culture/TRP definition of dark triad is getting at

[–]thesnowman17-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

That’s not what narcissism is tbh. Read the google definition, it’s basically putting yourself first , not being empathetic, and being very concerened with oneself, and your appearance

U can be confident or Unconfident and still be narcissistic

[–]mental_models-4 points-3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Having a positive attitude is a great thing, and it has nothing to do with a Dark Triad type. It's not mutually exclusive. Nothing to do with each other.

you come across as a 'dunning-kruger' example...

maybe you are just 'thinking out loud', but you are speaking in tones of confidence on things that you don't have competence in.

[–]Askerman97_returns 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

If you want to talk about competence, the studies on dark triads do not actually say what you think they say. I know this because I've read them.

[–]mental_models-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

what does 'competence' have to do with what you said?

and why are you referencing 'studies'?

I AM DT. I am also positive AF. I love this life. Happy as shit when it's happy time.

positivity has nothing to do with morality.

'positivity' is simply a mindset and a frame/perspective of how to view things.

It's also a proactive, present&future oriented perspective...

'Negativity' is a perspective geared toward the past. Anger and fear about things that have already happened.

[–]Askerman97_returns 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

So you claim to be DT, are you diagnosed sociopath, psychopath or narcissist? Or are you just self-diagnosing your own interpretations of those terms?

Narcissists, real narcissists, are NOT confident.

[–]mental_models-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

DT is my 'belief system'. It's not a 'medical condition'. No one can 'diagnose' me as DT, and as a general rule, I never self-diagnose any psychological disorders or medical conditions.

Not sure what the 'narcissism vs. confident' tangent came from?

From trying to piece together these various comments, I believe that you may be under the impression that Dark Triad is 'evil', 'pathological', 'undesirable', 'counter-productive', and 'socially condemned'...

Actually it is NOT those things. It's simply part of the building blocks of my belief system. Part of how I see things after taking the Red Pill.



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