Why do some men still act bluepill even if they got redpill aware from experience???

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July 29, 2019

I have a couple of friends that are pretty redpill when you talk to them. They know parts of social dynamics, game, how women act, and basically RP stuff. Once they get into a relationship however, it all breaks down. It seems like they're castrated or something.

Any thoughts?

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Title Why do some men still act bluepill even if they got redpill aware from experience???
Author ZeppKfw
Upvotes 79
Comments 45
Date 29 July 2019 07:50 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/247293
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/cjge09/why_do_some_men_still_act_bluepill_even_if_they/
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[–]CainPrice146 points147 points  (16 children) | Copy

These men you're describing are the very men The Red Pill subreddit was created for.

Believe it or not, The Red Pill subreddit wasn't founded by hopeless incels who needed to be told to work out. It was founded by average chumps who looked okay, acted okay, and could occasionally get girlfriends, but their relationships sucked and they could never get any casual sex.

These guys, like your friends, are good enough at the game to get a girlfriend, but the second they have a girlfriend, they go into scarcity mode and start doing everything they can to please the princess and lock her down. Which inevitably leads to the relationship failing.

The very idea that they could have non-exclusive, casual sex with multiple women at once seems crazy and out of reach to them. They're not even sure they want that. They think that most men and women don't do that, only a tiny segment of bad people. And what they really want is to meet the right woman and start a family. And eventually they'll get married to a slutty woman who doesn't disclose her casual history to them and live unhappily ever after.

These guys are impossible to help, however, because they're successful some of the time. They know enough to get girlfriends after enough time and work, so they think what they're doing is working. The idea that there's a better way when what they're doing seems to be working won't resonate with them the same way it will with an incel or a guy out the bad end of a divorce.

[–]ZeppKfw[S] 20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy

You've described me a year ago and my friends to the T. Except I stumbled upon TRP.

So you don't recommend trying to help them?

[–]2RedPill-BlackLotus28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

So you don't recommend trying to help them?

You can directly help them or unplug them. Only a woman can redpill a man.

Your part is to live the example and give them a life experience of something different. To loosen that plug.

[–]Impulsive6662 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Whatever you do, don't make general statements such as "all women do...". For people I want to make more aware I usually go for the "I know you can't say that for everybody, but have you noticed that some women...?" or I point out specific examples that I know they have seen as well. They don't have your experience and have another truth than you do.

[–]academicRedditor1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Every time I hear someone yelling NAWALT, I know they have zero knowledge about evolutionary psychology, statistics or basic knowledge about human nature(“hypergamy”). Every time I see people looking for “exceptions” as if these deny the facts, i know this is probably a woman

[–]Impulsive6661 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fair enough, but you're also red pill aware. You're the 1%. In my experience, even alphas, who instinctively use red pill knowledge but are unaware of the trp ideas / terminology, haven't wrapped their mind completely around it if you just spring those ideas on them.

It's just autistic / badly calibrated if you go full "AWALT tirade" on non-red pilled people without reframing it for their POV. And that's easiest by pointing out selective examples. There are a few red pill ideas which are easy to swallow (idgaf attitude), and a few which aren't (hypergamy). But best practice is to stfu.

[–]Kaizen2_020 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the best answers I've ever read to a question on AskTRP. Thank you

[–]sebbegerbert7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was me before TRP. My relationship I had for 4.5 years ended because I found TRP. All of a sudden ”I wasn’t the same”. She ended it because I started standing up for my opinions. Frankly I am better of without her.

[–]babybopp0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Should you want to know how many people a girl has been with?

[–]CainPrice11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Doesn't matter. A girl will lie, and asking makes you look weird and insecure. Just enjoy the sex and don't get married. When your turn ends, shrug and move on like it's no big deal.

[–]failingtheturingtest9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

If I said I would put you in a cage with a lion, would you prefer to know how many men it's eaten before you, or how to get out of the cage?

[–]AlexLovesHappy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They say they don’t want to be judged for it, and I understand that - but subconsciously I can’t help it.

[–]FinancialThanks127 points28 points  (7 children) | Copy

if youre a beta and you just act red pill youll get tired very quickly and youll get no pussy

[–]ZeppKfw[S] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Me a year ago at my first date after reading a bunch of TRP. Granted I did take her to my room but I was still a pussy. I took a nap after because I was so tired to avert my beta side.

[–]lugrulo11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Any long term behavior change is going to be a challenge. With TRP It’s really a lot to take into account.

[–]ZeppKfw[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah. Now that I think of it, it's really fucking weird how much men change at TRP. Humans aren't comfortable changing their patterns/habits.

[–]SolidLiquidGasPlasma9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is really good comment section. Blue pill really is safe for guys while red pill is anything but; however, risk:reward ratio

[–]FinancialThanks113 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

this made me realize that blue pill is actually the best mating strategy for low value men

[–]ZeppKfw[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, someone's going to take the safe option at some point.

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[–]SgtRimjob 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy

I think the “anger phase” gets a lot of people to regress. Speaking from personal experience, to be honest.

I had a plate who seemed different. I mean, obviously AWALT, but we connected on a personal level and she didn’t seem as basic/materialistic as most chicks. As you can probably already tell, I caught onenitus. However, I still applied other principles and spun her for awhile.

As you can probably guess, she eventually branch swung. Or at least as much as a plate could do. And focused all her attention on Chad (who was playing her) and eventually even to the point of denying me sex.

Blame the onenitus, the lack of options, failing the ensuing shit tests, or any of my fuck ups.... but it hit me hard seeing the obvious play out with even her and me failing miserably. It launched me into extreme anger phase, to the point I wanted nothing more than to stop “playing the game”.

Luckily, it worked out for me. Went into a long monk mode. Eventually moved on and came out better, stronger, and more content than before.

[–]SolidLiquidGasPlasma4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Finding out about trp (ironically enough) is like a trip. It’s like being born again you put the “I” in trp. Some people get scared and neglect the knowledge others get angry by it. It’s like being a kid again, or walking in on your parents fucking. It takes you and it takes all of you to adjust and recalculate, Stead your vessel into the knowledge and not take it for grated, but fuck it over and over again.

[–]ZeppKfw[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

When I first read Rational Male I felt so high since I've always had the subconscious feeling that being a good guy was the wrong way to go.

How long did your anger phase last?

[–]Project_Zero_Betas5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I first read Rational Male I felt so high since I've always had the subconscious feeling that being a good guy was the wrong way to go.

It's because pure "nice guys" come across as supplicating to girls, which leads them to think "Am I the best this guy can do?" thus doesn't trigger any pre-selection. Girls always want to be a CHOICE, and majority of "nice guys" aren't choosing.

[–]SolidLiquidGasPlasma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would say I’m still in my angry phase, I call it being 20 ( not quite old enough to blow off steam at the bar) my dad says I’m full of piss and vinegar. Girls say I’m hard to read, sigh.

[–]RPDream0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Descibe your monk mode and how long?

[–]SgtRimjob 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I was in college at the time, going into my third year. I picked up a summer class, another extra one for the fall semester, another during “J term” between semesters, and loaded up in the spring... all in order to graduate that year.

Worked out 5 days a week. I’m former military, so did a similar exercises. Which was basically all HIIT training that cut my BF% to single digits. I’ve never been a big guy or been able to throw up a bunch of weight, so I just go for the cut look. When I wasn’t doing that or going to class, I was studying or focusing on my job on campus (was an RA, promoted to RD that year). Also did some reading and played guitar for leisure when I had the time.

Didn’t date or even try to fuck anyone. Except one night during spring break I went out. Chick was throwing herself at me, so fucked her and never spoke again.

Graduated. Got a high paying job immediately for a F100. After a few months settling in, came out of my monk mode and have been spinning plates regularly since.. now a little over two years later. Yet haven’t let it distract me from my own goals. I’ve been promoted twice, bought a house, traveled all around the world, both for work and for leisure.

Life’s been great, no ragrets.

[–]RPDream1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks, that’s inspiring 👍

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I read about something called the "cognitive valve" a long time ago. Basically you're limited in the info of what's going on in your body because if you constantly were aware of it, you'd go crazy

[–]mrp_awakening10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

Truth hurts. They want to feel like the women that fucked their ass raw were all landmines but that unicorn is still out there. It's uncomfortable when you lean the truth... that there is no unicorn out there.

[–]Cods_gift_to_reddit2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

There are definitely younger and less dicked girls around who are genuinely more innocent.

I'll take those thanks especially when society begins to slut shame women again. We'll be left with a load of 35 year old dicked women shunned by society who can't find a man because us men are all choosing younger, fitter, and cleaner models.

Our status increases over time and with experience. Our most exciting chapters in life are still to come. Still to look forward to. The cock carouseled old ladies: unfortunately for them decline to the depths of loserhood and loneliness is their final chapter

[–]mrp_awakening0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You obviously didnt read what I wrote... there is no unicorn out there. No matter where you look you can end up cucked.

As an aside.... people in this sub keep talking about young women being more innocent and say to look there. My opinion is that is dumb as fuck. Think of her history like a credit report... no credit is worse than poor credit. If shes 20 with no history, what's gonna happen when she turns 21 and her friends want girls night? What's gonna happen when Chad's start throwing her interest? The point is... shes never been there yet, so you dont know. Best option IMO is a woman 26-31 who's got an N count of around 5-10. Just enough that theres no particular ex shes pining for, and that shes gotten it out of her system but low enough to know she isn't uninhibited. This is the equivalent of high credit. I'd even say a girl who was wild in her late teens early 20s who's calmed down for the last 5-7 yrs and is 30 (poor credit but took time to build it back) is a safer bet than a girl with no history. You might as well play Russian roulette. This is for an LTR or marriage. If you're spinning plates and not investing... by all means younger and hotter is better tho.

[–]Cods_gift_to_reddit0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Interesting perspective. Young, hot, with conservative values and a societal disrespect for sleeping around, societal respect for family are still best conditions IMO for LTR.

You can train a younger girl to do things the way you want

[–]mrp_awakening0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

People change. Especially younger people. The brain still develops until 25 or so. Women's hormones peak right around 28-30... that's when she'll be the horniest and will have the strongest hypergamy drive. To a 20 yr old, 10 years is 50% of their life. They're not going to be at 30 who they were at 20. Maybe they get bored, maybe they become less traditional/conservative. I stand by my comment that if you're looking for an ltr like marriage you need to find a woman with a history of resisting temptation. You can try to "train" a young girl all you want, but if her personality changes in 5 years (it will) she may push back.... hard. Just my 2c.

[–]Cods_gift_to_reddit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah no everything you say makes a lot of sense

[–]Whatdoin272 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

I agree man. I got a good friend of mine who was completely shat on by this girl. So harsh that the entire experience just radiated a red pill truth right before him.

Years later, he reconnects with this girl once and all of a sudden, he's got a terrible amount of oneitis for her.

I don't mean to be a dick, but I'm not seeing why he cannot see through her shitty behavior. It's so blatant and he refuses to see it the way I see it when I warn him.

She's got 5 kids now. She literally leaves him on read almost everytime. He goes to her work to hangout with her, or try to.

I'm just like wtf..... She absolutely destroyed him in the past.

[–]ZeppKfw[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Okay he's kinda fucked up. Although I can see betas being this fucked in the head. This lead me to a question as to why are men so vulnerable to this behavior? Cognitive dissonance is part of this but it doesn't necessarily apply that much since time and time again the truth is put in front of you.

[–]Cods_gift_to_reddit2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women are very VERY good at slowly beta-ising men for their own gain and long term benefits. All young men no matter how mentally strong and resolute are at risk of this because at that age we just don't see it clearly enough.

Our attention can be manipulated, our emotions used against us, and our imaginations guided in the direction a woman would like.

I compare it to physical strength. We can beat up and physically kill any woman because we are naturally bigger and more physically capable. We often choose not to of course.

Woman can emotionally beat up and kill any man because they naturally have those skills that we just don't. In the past women used these skills mainly to aid and help support men. Society today encourages women to emotionally beat up, manipulate, and spiritually kill men for their own benefit. Feminism is the excuse and many women don't even realise the harm they are doing now is REAL and it is widescale massive harm to men and the fabric of western society.

Men on the other hand are discouraged from expressing their physical strength AND from defending against emotional attacks because many women and beta men are scared of what will happen if we show our true strength. That's wishy washy laws against 'hatespeech', laws against 'offensive language'. Women will lose their power if we can speak out and defend ourselves. That's why we need to say NO to women and make them understand their rightful place on the world stage.

The solution is for men to show their own strength and make women behave again. We know this. It's why trump is president of the US and it's why Boris is PM in the UK.

[–]Whatdoin271 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, I think that these guys get this impression of a girl, and they like embed that shit in their coding.

Putting em on a pedestal, putting them on this value so high that any bad thing they do to them, they simply ignore it to preserve that fairy tail image of the said girl.

I admit that I did this once and then one day, the truth came back in my face and I accepted it and realized that I was the foolish one.

He's an idiot, and he was there when I went through it and it's like I'm singlehandedly warning him. I'm straight up throwing the truth at him and he does not fucking accept it and it infuriates me because this chick literally leaves him depressed and shit.

[–]wanker71712 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

social conditioning

[–]deathhandmachiavelli2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

They have been conditioned through mass-media their entire life to think that you are SUPPOSED to be a supplicating, shameless mangina.

These men tend to have lower social-IQs and can't read between the lines.

They are basically doomed to bad relationships.

I remember having a conversation with a fat guy at work. His wife left him. He was telling me he had no idea why. There was no substance abuse, domestic violence, or cheating on this part, and she just upped and left. He just couldn't understand it.

[–]porkmissiles1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because it's easier. Although the hard things in life are almost always better for us taking the easy path is just... easier.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Knowledge of a problem is one thing.

Knowing the solution is another.

They aren't looking at their part in things and changing it. If nothing changes, nothing changes

[–]RivenHalf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Knowing something and applying it are two widely different skill sets and concepts. This applies to every factor in life.

[–]123dlv7890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

can anybody share the link to rollo tomassi's blog post where he writes about guys using red pill to fulfill their blue pill desires?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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