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Women Aren’t Men: Healthy Relationships and Solipsism

by AlaskanCalifornian on /r/TheRedPill
03 August 2019 07:46 PM UTC

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TRP was never meant to be misogynistic, really a big part of taking the pill is understanding women’s differences and loving them for it. Much of the “anger phase” is men trapped by their own solipsism, a result of being raised to believe that men and women are the same. TRP teaches that this isn’t true, but the idea is so ingrained that it takes a while to make sense of women’s unique minds without the prejudice of their own mind, and at first will lead them to see women as an inferior derivative of man.

The main lesson is that it is logical for women to act illogically, and rational for women to act irrationally. Accept that and it should no longer bother you... in time it should turn endearing. Stop asking “why do women do that?” Stop acting as if “women are flawed because otherwise they‘d think just like me.” I would not say this typically, but often it is best to think of a woman like a child: a smart parent is not visibly angered when their kid smears shit on the couch, instead they clean it up without reacting and take responsibility for correcting the kid and preventing future misbehavior. Women, like children, are very attached to their emotions and rely on them to interpret reality. They depend on stoicism, consistency, and boundaries, otherwise called “frame,” provided by a strong man. These relationships foster tons of confidence in both the man and the woman. The man is proud to be trusted “as the man,” while the woman is proud that she has a man she can trust. The man guides his woman and helps her grow, while the woman supports her man by never underestimating the power of appreciation and approval (this isn’t BP.. most men are deeply hurt when a woman they’re close with questions their judgement).

Now consider that if instead of defining the frame for her, you had to jostle for it like with other men? Or that, like a close male friend, the woman is virtuously independent and would leave the relationship to pursue her goals, mostly as a matter of principle? Or how about the “mind games?” Well Machiavellian tactics are far from a female trait.. really men DO play mind games and they are never in good spirit. Woman mostly play their games for entertainment, and you can participate for entertainment as well. Don’t take them seriously and they become fun and satisfying like a puzzle. Tease them and keep them just as on their toes as you. And of course there is the distinct wave of confidence and self-love that accompanies even the briefest moments of connection with girls (“connection” = sexual tension basically). All this - the good and the bad - are inseparable traits of femininity. None of it inherently inferior to masculinity... they are an elegantly balanced pair of opposing forces and equally necessary for maintaining a healthy society. There are no useful examples of female-led, anti-masculine societies in history, which speaks for itself. On the other hand, brutal fascist regimes are almost always composed of a 100% male government, masculinity (particularly strength) is held as the highest virtue, and woman are prevented from holding any positions of power or importance. Balance in everything...

It is no different than the angry feminists... solipsism blinds them to the reality of gender and breed a hateful mentality in which men are simply the inferior form of women. A woman’s place in society is not determined by her honor or courage, for example, and as such the female kindergarten teacher cannot understand why the boys in her class are always fighting. In her mind demonstrating cowardice has no consequences, and because she is under the impression that her brain is wired identically to the boy’s (or worse - that her life experience will mirror a man’s) she is aghast at their senseless violence. “Why do boys act like this? I would never act like that, therefore they are acting unreasonably.” She concludes that the boy’s are sadly just immature, their instinctive masculinity an unfortunate malfunction which she will work dutifully to correct.

Note to The Community:

This started as a comment but I think it might me a pretty good post. It is way too long for a comment anyways haha. I’ve never posted here before on any account but I’ve been around TRP for 4 years and have grown pretty disillusioned with the constant low-quality, “perma-anger phase” posts in which pathetic, hateful opinions are shared as theories/TRP knowledge. That shit needs to get called out with comments condemning the ideas expressed in the OP + downvotes or it’ll only get worse. “Red Pill” has become synonymous with “incel” in mainstream Reddit despite TRP officially standing for literally the exact opposite values. TRP is not a place to victimize yourself, blame others, moan about genetics, etc. TRP is about understanding that if you’re struggling to get laid - if you’re “involuntarily celibate” - then you’ve got to change, not expect women to. TRP is about mourning what you weren’t given, cherishing what you were given, and working to mold yourself into the best version you can be. Let me know if I’m coming across as a narcissistic asshole, but this is a post that fits TRP and - unlike much of the new content - would’ve still been well regarded 3-4 years ago.

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Title Women Aren’t Men: Healthy Relationships and Solipsism
Author AlaskanCalifornian
Upvotes 682
Comments 114
Date 03 August 2019 07:46 PM UTC (7 months ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/247728
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/clmy1q/women_arent_men_healthy_relationships_and/
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223 upvotes • [deleted] • 7 months ago

this guy. this guy gets it.

About a year and a half ago I decided to view women as children and suddenly all their crazy and irrational behaviours didn't bother me anymore. It used to annoy the fuck out of me that women couldn't just be normal like men because we are taught this "men and women are the same" bullshit from a young age which causes a lot of cognitive dissonance when we see constant real life examples of the opposite being true.

basically understanding that women are a little crazy, is really helpful in making you not constantly be like "Why are they like this ?!?!?!?!?". instead you're like "well of course she's like this, she's crazy".

and anyone who wants to jump on me for saying a negative word like crazy. I like the word crazy cos to a rational thinker, women really do come across crazy, it's the best word for it.

65 upvotesKeffirLime7 months ago

Suffering is the difference between how you want things to be and how they really are. The bigger the difference, the more the suffering. The smaller the difference the more satisfaction you'll find in life.

TRP is study in discovering how women are, not how we want them to be and then adjusting our behaviour and expectations accordingly.

This is often too big a step for many in this community to make. They are unable to let go of how they desire the world to be, leading to endless anger phase and suffering no matter how much TRP they ingest.

14 upvotesrandomTATRP7 months ago

that's why ECs and more mature members say that TRP is not taken once and then it's done. you're swallowing it for a long time, if not for whole your life.

8 upvotesredpill777 months ago

Because they have been taught female tactics and hold onto the idea that good things come to those who deserve it. BP men will guilt-trip, shame, and elicit sympathy--when they can-- because it sometimes works.

When assessing new ideas one's subconscious will look ahead. It discovers elements which contradict current benefits/privileges, and there's the feeling that something is wrong and they will be repulsed before ever allowing their mind to logically register the unacceptable truth. They can then go back to their entitlement tactics and cast any negative feelings onto an Other (men, blacks, whites, Russia, walmart, trade unions).

Presenting a new paradigm is scary because to assess its usefulness one must climb down from their current hill, through the ghettos in between, and up the mountain of truth. There is no good reason to trust that it will work, as life has no shortage of liars trying to trick you.

The only real way to change significantly is to be forced to. Maybe a difficult circumstance pushes you to take control in a way you never have before. Now your presence and lust for life have gained some energy. Eventually you have enough little things that you have fought for that it becomes habit to fight and rage against the dying of the light. There will always be people telling you that sitting down and quietly listening is the positive, social thing to do; if you take a look you'll see that their legs are crushed under a cornerstone of civilization.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 7 months ago

fact. at some point you gotta choose a perspective that actually benefits you instead of just stewing in anger at the "injustice of the worldd". took me a while but it was liberating when i made the switch.

0 upvoteslargepaycheckaddict7 months ago

Doesn’t man dominate or reconfigure the world to fit his vision of order? From the Christian perspective, god made man in his image. Therefore gods will carries through man’s individual will and vision.

A good example of this is social norms vs social deviancy. Anything is possible in a world where we simply leave it be, but without the guidance of leaders, laws, general social norms etc- our world degenerates into chaos. So we use mechanisms like metaphysics, law tables, shame and guilt etc to keep people in check.

It is natural for man to become angry and frustrated with women in the contemporary clown world where women are constantly encouraged to behave like whores, gold diggers, and generally just bad people by the mainstream media and the influence of her social peers. Whereas, in the past; women obeyed their fathers, patriarchs, priests etc.. because those men had women’s best interests at heart vs letting them chase whatever pleasures and wiles pop into their mind.

When women go wild with the more contemporary liberal world view, it only leads to degeneracy and a less optimal functioning society.. we’re seeing this today with the decline of the western world and Nietzsches predictions of the death of god. When society turns so degenerate, it always triggers an extreme polar reactionary response in the masses; whether that be a witch hunt, a revolution or civil war, a coup detat etc..

So while women obviously have their natural biological faults (as do men) it is mans job to keep women in check-for her own good.. because it is very easy to manipulate women’s emotions and entice them to behave like a degenerate.

1 upvotesbaptistemartel7 months ago

or just be selfish and the centre of the world instead of correcting "society"

68 upvoteswildtimes37 months ago

Every time a girl is born she is visited by the fucked up fairy. The fucked up fairy sprinkles fucked up crazy dust on the newborn. Now, it’s important to remember, they don’t all get a lot. But they all get some

3 upvotesTulioGente7 months ago

I agree with the idea that crazy dust is sprinkled over girls, but it's not done just when she is born; it's done all throughout her life. Ultimately due to the parental effect, society's crazy dust is sprinkled all over these women through her peer group. Even girls with parents with good values are affected by this because sometimes the parents don't vet the peer group.

5 upvotesBombasticBobby7 months ago

I'm sure there is better word than "crazy" (I'm indifferent towords your usage of this word). I understand it's a hyperbole but you are not applying much thinking into why a woman follows her emotion.

8 upvotes • [deleted] • 7 months ago

i feel you but considering how randomly irrational women can be, crazy is the best word IMO.

2 upvoteswildtimes37 months ago

I agree.

The main reason one would usually use a different word to describe something is to be more precise with the new word.

In this scenario we need to be all encompassing with the descriptor not precise. There is no situation that women will not apply their anti-logic/rationale to.

Crazy works.

2 upvotesmrssmithhh7 months ago

Women can be extremely rational. The difference is we start from a very different set of values than men, and our priorities are different. There’s a method to the madness, and it makes perfect sense to us.

68 upvotes • [deleted] • 7 months ago

This is the real version of TRP.

These constant self-masturbatory pickup reports, grump rejected dudes, and raging nerds are a real horrible picture to the casual observer.

It's like the real advice in this place is diluted with baseless rage and anger.

7 upvotesOdd_String7 months ago

The reason why this subreddit is quarantined and why it gets a bad rap is because newcomers are transitioning to or out of the anger-phase. If you look at the pill in terms of sales, it's a cactus. It's a raw product. It is not pretty. The Blue Pill on the other hand is insanely commercially marketable. Look out for a post I'll write soon.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 7 months ago

I understand and agree with your point. The anger is a natural result of learning reality, but it shouldn't persist, and I fear that allowing its release to become the main purpose of this sub perpetuates that anger phase.

I went through it, im sure we all did, but anger is best used as a motivator to foster change.

2 upvotesOdd_String7 months ago

Welcome to Hell's kitchen, amiright? Truth be told, the anger-phase is such a vital part of becoming Red Pill. Your disgust is a natural transition too. Congratulations on getting to the next phase. It sucks just as bad, but hey - congratulations.

2 upvotesTulioGente7 months ago

Honestly, we should have a separate sub for TRP related anger, once you really get past this phase does the real shit start.

2 upvotesbaptistemartel7 months ago

dont talk for everyone you be suprised how natural redpilled people out there

1 upvotesImperator_Red7 months ago

Stop tone policing and concern trolling.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 7 months ago

Attack the argument, not the individual.

19 upvotesBrushyourteethm87 months ago

Point after point you've hit the nail on the head.

This has consolidated my thoughts on this exactly.

I'd argue that this should be a primer in the sidebar.

Well written - thank you.

18 upvotes_Tactleneck_7 months ago

Well said, always a good reminder to not spend the energy trying to change it and instead accept it, then have fun with it.

8 upvotesmorcerfel7 months ago

You'll never be able to change it, might as well play it tbh.

35 upvotesDAOcomment27 months ago

Sticky this. This needs to be said. And while "anger phase" in undoubtedly a transition many men have to go through, it is just another phase of beta-hood because it is a burgeoning awareness of female nature through the distorted lens of male solipsism, and male solipsism is a beta mindset. Male nature and female nature were selected by evolution because they made the species stronger.

Yes, women will fuck up your shit, test you, and try to weed you out of the gene pool if you are weak. That is what has made men of the species strong, and it is why your bloodline persisted so that you could even exist today. Everything you "hate" about women is the reason their genes survived, why their offspring survived, so that you could be here.

All the shit women gave men is ultimately just how nature tested for and selected males that could continue the human race. We are all copies of what worked. Males would not be great without women brutally trying to weed weak men out of the gene pool.

So work on yourself, get strong in every way that a man can, have a realistic view of male nature, of female nature, accept the benefits and dangers inherent in our natures, and learn to embrace both sexes for what they are.

If men or women are fucking up your shit, it's because your shit isn't handled as well as you thought--you don't understand how to navigate yourself, the world, and the genders. Cry if you have to and whine with the bluepill betas and anger phase half-betas on this sub.

Then when it's out of your system: own it, learn from it, don't whine anymore, don't complain, become a badass motherfucker, appreciate the men and women in your life not just for the pleasant things they've provided to you, but also for the challenging and painful stimulus they've provided to you, because without that pain you would never wake up and become a wiser, stronger man.

6 upvotesSatou47 months ago

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute here. Women do not need to exclusively pick the tallest men anymore. Has there ever been a time in history where there was a global famine, which caused men with average and below average height to become the most attractive to women?

Without knowing the answer, I'll argue no. Women have never been capable of selecting men in any way other than by biological instinct.

If there was a food shortage and the world devolved into chaos, then sure, taller stronger men would win fights and their offspring would eat first. But modern technology brings a lot of nuance as to who wins these battles.

I'm probably just being a butthurt manlet but it's not exactly in the best interest of the species for women to fuck around on tinder for 15 years and then finally have children at 35.

Women should be required to work on themselves, too. Why can't women be selected out of the gene pool?

As for the argument that women aren't inferior to men, just different, the last time I checked, men are better than children at everything. The only thing a child is better at is being young.

5 upvotesnickcato7 months ago

Women are being selected out of a gene pool by their physical beauty. For the most part, the value of their physical beauty is set from birth and they can do only so much to change that. Men’s value is set by how much resources he can acquire for interests. So women values are set with no work required (other than maintenance obv). However, men absolutely cannot realize his value without work. This is why work is a requirement for men, and not women, therefore, “work” is the domain of men. While women working is a bonus on top of what they already bring to the table, it is not their ultimate responsibility. And to point out it’s opposite, while men being handsome is a nice bonus, it is not the primary trait a women selects for mating.

0 upvoteslobstergenocide7 months ago

once again, human beings vs human doings

2 upvoteswildtimes37 months ago

I googled: “indian chief on white man”

Img of newspaper clipping:


“Indian Chief “Two Eagles was asked by a white U.S. government official, “You have observed the white mand for 90 years. You’ve seen his wars and his technological advances. You’ve seen his progess, and the damage he’s done.” The Chief nodded in agreement.

The official continued, “Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?”

The Chief stared at the government official then replied,

“When white man find land, Indians running it, not taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water. Women do all the work, medicine man free, Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing all night having sex.”

Then the Chief leaned back and smiled, “Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that.”

3 upvotesSatou47 months ago

I generally agree but this is short sighted.

Without large scale agriculture war is necessary to cull the human population. That's why there were enough buffalo and beavers.

If a man's only option is to hunt and fish, that's one dimensional. Yeah I understand that's not everything. But modern society brings far more options for how to spend time. Some are even enjoyable.

White man is not the only one dumb enough. Other races were also changing. Take the Spanish, for example.

All that said, if the world was that small and all I could do was use my body and be in nature, even without options it might be a more enjoyable life. I don't think I would enjoy killing people. I suppose that's why all men were having sex all the time, because they literally killed off everyone who wasn't Chad.

2 upvoteswildtimes37 months ago

I agree with what you say, but I think it’s based on the premise that land has an unlimited capacity to support people. Not saying you are saying that, but the tax collectors never want growth to level off.

The native Americans didn’t try to become (AFAIK) as numerous as possible.

It’s an interesting modern dillema. Should every county in America strive for more population / tax revenue. Or, should we be happy with a stable population per geographic area eventually?

2 upvotesSatou47 months ago

We should stabilize the population (already happening with fewer children being born)

We should limit the number of male births, because men are happy when they have female attention, and women are happy to have a great man. Men with female attention will become generally better.

Idk if they tried, but in many cultures human sacrifice was a thing. Thinking economically it could have been a way to slow growth or survive a lean year.

What I want to see is what will happen when there are fewer people on the planet than before. Say we get to 10 billion and then go back to 9 or 8 billion people. What happens to the infrastructure? Buildings, railways, roads.... jobs and economically we should be fine because fewer people living means fewer people are needed to support them, but what about the ghost towns?

We should build vertically as much as we can. No more of this 50 million houses spread out over 200 miles around the city bs.

I think tptb are afraid that the birth / fertility rate is too low and they're afraid humans will go extinct if we don't make enough babies. I think that if there's even a small generation of children in the tens of millions, then it won't matter, we'll be fine.

Life would be so much easier with only 1 billion. We can keep the benefits of modern society, we can still advance with science. But there would be much less pollution, 6 billion fewer pairs of shoes being made and on and on. Nothing beats nature, but of course we should continue pressing forward at the same time.

1 upvotesZech4riah7 months ago

You comment started out nicely but then suddenly this came up:

White man is not the only one dumb enough. Other races were also changing. Take the Spanish, for example.

Can you imagine how it looks when you separate Spanish and make them appear as their own race? "Yeah, there is many races in europe, white, black, some asian immigrants and then also all the spanish" :D

1 upvotesSatou47 months ago

The same goes for white people

I was talking specifically about Spanish conquistadors

1 upvotesImperator_Red7 months ago

This is obvious bullshit. How gullible are you?

1 upvoteswildtimes37 months ago


Everything on the internet is true.

-Thomas Jefferson

Either I saw it happen or it’s hearsay. So pretty much everything is hearsay.

BS, not. Who cares? It’s a story / fable. It’s meant to offer a lesson or perspective or whatever the heck you can take from it.

Why do you care if I believe it or not?

1 upvotesterpredpill7 months ago

And while "anger phase" in undoubtedly a transition many men have to go through, it is just another phase of beta-hood because it is a burgeoning awareness of female nature through the distorted lens of male solipsism, and male solipsism is a beta mindset. Male nature and female nature were selected by evolution because they made the species stronger.

Yes, women will fuck up your shit, test you, and try to weed you out of the gene pool if you are weak. That is what has made men of the species strong, and it is why your bloodline persisted so that you could even exist today. Everything you "hate" about women is the reason their genes survived, why their offspring survived, so that you could be here.

All the shit women gave men is ultimately just how nature tested for and selected males that could continue the human race. We are all copies of what worked. Males would not be great without women brutally trying to weed weak men out of the gene pool.

So work on yourself, get strong in every way that a man can, have a realistic view of male nature, of female nature, accept the benefits and dangers inherent in our natures, and learn to embrace both sexes for what they are.

If men or women are fucking up your shit, it's because your shit isn't handled as well as you thought--you don't understand how to navigate yourself, the world, and the genders. Cry if you have to and whine with the bluepill betas and anger phase half-betas on this sub.

Then when it's out of your system: own it, learn from it, don't whine anymore, don't complain, become a badass motherfucker, appreciate the men and women in your life not just for the pleasant things they've provided to you, but also for the challenging and painful stimulus they've provided to you, because without that pain you would never wake up and become a wiser, stronger man.

This is GOLD. Thanks for this.

11 upvotesChiyuLater977 months ago

This is why I love the red pill. It’s a true self-help and support group that molds you to be the best that you can be, by understanding these social cues and secrets you otherwise wouldn’t know, and guide you to social and romantic success in this world. It’s not like the blackpill or other hateful subs, though it’s slowly becoming one.

1 upvotesTulioGente7 months ago

Yeah, it teaches you to take control of your own life. I was previously bossed around by anyone, but now I feel like I can stand for what I believe in.

10 upvotesRealMcGonzo7 months ago

Women act the way they do due to their biology and society. It's the exact same thing as a man noticing a beautiful woman - we are just wired that way.

So are women.

10 upvotesdulkemaru517 months ago

Soft men raised by single moms aren't angry at women for misunderstanding their nature. Soft men who do misunderstand women for men, love women. Soft men who understand women, hate women.

The problem is them being soft i.e. never being torn away from mommy (be she proverbial or not) and initiated into manhood. A soft man is dominated by his inner mommy; he dreams of a ride n die girl who will protect him, guide him in life, motivate him, and be a rock for him to lean on, and also sexually worship him. Whereas a man who's become a man will be repulsed by such unnatural perversion.

So, comprehending that women aren't men, isn't sufficient. In fact, it's precisely what makes the soft man angry. It wouldn't be a RP Anger Phase otherwise, but a RP Eureka now I get women and that makes me so happy Phase.

Rip out your inner mommy and witness your sexuality switch from that of a Sub to that of a Dom.

36 upvotes5ubstanc37 months ago

You are awesome man. I have a similar mentality to this, it is so good to see more un-biased and relaxed perspectives on the view of women. low quality content has been circulating here a lot lately i noticed, u can almost feel the emotion through the text lol.

7 upvotesZech4riah7 months ago

Thanks for this post and well put. I've been saying the samething for some time now. I got really worried when ECs and mods started to pick on each other.

Hopefully this kind of message will reach angry guys and especially ECs who are stuck in anger phase like GLO.

On the other hand this thing:

Women, like children, are very attached to their emotions and rely on them to interpret reality. They depend on stoicism, consistency, and boundaries, otherwise called “frame,” provided by a strong man. These relationships foster tons of confidence in both the man and the woman. The man is proud to be trusted “as the man,” while the woman is proud that she has a man she can trust.

These days you can't trust majority of guys. You should assume that every guy under 30 year old is a child unless they prove it otherwise. It seems like trustworthiness isn't the kind of virtue guys are reaching for these days, not even here in TRP. No one here preaches about being honest and trustworthy, significant portion of posters/commenters tries to promote deception and/or machiavellian behaviour patterns which are, in my opinion, part of feminine toolbox rather than trp toolbox. You don't need machiavellianism if you truly are high value guy.

1 upvotesImperator_Red7 months ago

No one here preaches about being honest and trustworthy,

I’m pretty honest and trustworthy. It never got me much. Politicking did way more for me

57 upvotesJudger-7 months ago

Anger is a useless emotion in nearly all walks of life.

71 upvotes • [deleted] • 7 months ago

“Anybody can become angry — that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way — that is not within everybody's power and is not easy.” - Aristotle

40 upvotesEliteAlmondMilk7 months ago

Don't underestimate the motivational power of anger, it can be quite useful.

27 upvotesJudger-7 months ago

It can be beneficial for breaking through some short term goal/dilemma. In the long term, anger will rot your mind and soul. Having a clear understanding of why you are doing what you are doing is much more helpful for me in achieving long term/worthwhile goals.

10 upvotesred__Man7 months ago

working out angry is one of the best things in the world

1 upvotesTulioGente7 months ago

For sure, legit as I'm about to gas out on my push-ups. I remember my mistakes and then it allows me to get a few more reps in.

31 upvotes • [deleted] • 7 months ago

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5 upvoteswildtimes37 months ago

Quick thoughts:

I think you are right about anger being based on fear. I do think fear is more of a “reaction” compared to anger, which has emotional components.

True fear happens, and if you can overcome it, there are times where anger settles in. Anger can last awhile. It’s dangerous and useful.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 7 months ago

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1 upvoteswildtimes37 months ago

I think anger requires the highest amount of effort to control compared other emotions. That’s what makes it dangerous. If it is controlled, it’s serious, ready


I guess I’ll bring in some protection dog training philosophy. It seems like it fits.

When training a biting dog, you are dealing with a lot of issues. The two that I am focusing on are drive and control. You can train a dog to bite and fight men, but if you control the dog too much during bitework or in its daily life it can decrease the dogs chance of winning any given encounter.

Let’s say you backtie the dog to a post with a double spring harness. The dog can lunge 1000x and it won’t fuck up his joints or his back. One day you have the dog miss it’s bites. Sooo close, maybe tomorrow, Beast. That makes DRIVE go UP / CONTROL goes DOWN.

The next day you just do obedience training. Obedience training, making the dog do shit he knows how to do when you want him to do it, will increase the amount of control the dog allows you to have. CONTROL will go up / DRIVE goes down.

Dogs lack anger. Anger is like drive. We have both drive and anger.

Anger can be very dangerous when someone has purposely grown accustomed to experiencing it, channels it, and using their drive and control decides to use it for nefarious means. Super powerful. The control / drive “dichotomy” or “ladder” is well known AFAIK. With canines, we usually keep building drive until the dog is unmanageable. Then insert just enough control to make it work.

ETA2: Being rational and moral keeps one from going too far down the dark side of this path. Build drive, do enough control work to keep your ambition aligned with your goals.

Boxing workout = Drive goes up

Meditation or light cardio = Control goes up

Not having to work on being well rounded accelerates learning and progress. Just like bulking and cutting, have a goal. Hit the wall. Tear it down!!!

3 upvotesRadkin0097 months ago

Anger is an emotion. Rage is the extreme impulsive reaction of anger. They are not the same but can go hand-in-hand. Anger can be a very attractive state when managed and applied correctly in the proper setting. Rage is seen an childish temper-tantrum-esque even. What you describe you had was rage, unhealthy, not anger.

1 upvotesMylaur7 months ago

Anger is based on fear? How curious. I'd have separated both

5 upvotesBrushyourteethm87 months ago

I would argue that all emotions have a use.

Some are pleasant, some are painful, most are somewhere inbetween - ultimately they are just a learned response to help us in striving to navigate life safely.

All emotions are natural and they only become destructive when we actively or passively resist them.

It is not a virtue to switch off undesired emotions and live life coldly and unfeeling.

Emotions are best dealt with completely at face value by allowing yourself to fully feel them unobstructed and then to release them.

Old emotions that are still being unconsciously resisted can be readdressed, felt and then released.

This is the path to true, lasting inner peace.

14 upvotesadam-l7 months ago

Good post.

Female nature does stop being fun if you want to have a family and children, but why should you?

I disagree on this point, though.

brutal fascist regimes are almost always composed of a 100% male government, masculinity (particularly strength) is held as the highest virtue, and woman are prevented from holding any positions of power or importance.

Regarding fascist regimes... I see them as exceptionally feminine in nature, not masculine at all. Instead of having self-reliant, critically thinking men actively deciding for their lives, you have millions of unthinking drones, being led by emotional arguments, and worshiping a leader. The average nazi experiences his butthole pulsating invitingly in the presence of authority - exactly like women.

Fascist regimes actually depended on women heavily. Both in Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany the position of women improved drastically. In Italy, the number of women in higher education leaped, in Germany there was the most advanced welfare system for married (even only engaged) women. Investing in people with narrow perception horizon makes sense, when you are a fascist.

3 upvotesOllyOlly_OxenFree7 months ago

Not narcissistic at all, I think the plethora of negativism and shortsightedness of the majority of posts I have seen on here is what comes across as narcissistic, in that, some OP picks up a model and devotes to it like absolutism. There's always another perspective and balance of multiple perspectives is key.

5 upvotesMrAnderzon7 months ago

I'm happy post like this are still here. I'm happy I found TRP. Saved

4 upvotesflybywired7 months ago

Yup this is it. The post that keeps me subbed to this subreddit. Proof that its worth staying here

17 upvotesTruthSeekingPerson7 months ago

Truth is misogyny in the eyes of women and blue pills.

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22 upvotesTruthSeekingPerson7 months ago

I’m not insinuating anything, I couldn’t have been more clear. And you even referenced my point in the end of your comment. I’m at a loss as to what you’re confused about.

I guess I’ll reiterate my point: You literally posted that women are irrational and act like children. This is true. This view is seen as misogynistic by women and blue pills. Thus, the truth is misogynistic according to women and blue pills.

Of course, real misogyny is hatred of women. But in our morally decrepit society it is “misogynistic” to understand female nature.

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5 upvotesLe_Benevolus7 months ago

While I agree for the most part with the sentiment of most of the "red pill" communities, it almost seems like most of those that are self-proclaimed as "red-pilled" are just huge hypocrites that don't know/care what they want or believe in. Like we don't understand how insulting it feels to be called a child (as an adult)... While admitting that it deeply hurts us to be questioned on basically anything. A good and more importantly SMART woman doesn't trust a man's authority or respect him if he doesn't respect her also. In one post we say women are different than men but it is balanced and they are good at raising small children, and serve different purposes in family and society- in the next sentence we say they ARE children. IDK. Makes no sense.

For a long time I have felt like this "community" has gone a bit off the deep end with the anger, hatred, and self pity bull shit. I understand the anger, but all of this is self defeating because it has overshadowed what we supposedly believe in and just created a bunch of hypocrisies that just make us look bad. We don't believe in feminism, then why do we literally accept their premises in all of our posts? Example: saying "women getting punched back when they start shit is good because we're equal" Or: Women are = to children, but when they ask for authority we give it to them and expect them to get fucked over so we can laugh. Do we do that to children? No. The "redpill" communities deeply confuse me now and I kinda just stopped following it most of the time because of this. It literally makes no sense to reject something but then operate as if it were true.

2 upvotesTruthSeekingPerson7 months ago

I think the issue is: what do we do with our knowledge of feminine nature? We all need to make our own decisions. There are risks with everything—we risk misery if we pursue women or we risk emptiness if we forgo them.

2 upvotesLe_Benevolus7 months ago

I agree. But for now, this just seems like a place full of anger and want for revenge- it seems that women are damned if they do damned if they don't, according to posters here.

5 upvotes187oddfuture7 months ago

That “large portion of the US population” is the gynocentric blue pill matrix. What’s here isn’t misogyny, it’s truth. Anger phase guys will anger phase. Doesn’t change the fact that women shouldn’t have the same (or greater) authority of a man with none of the responsibility that goes with it.

1 upvotesImperator_Red7 months ago

IDK what you're insinuating but misogyny has a legit definition and sadly way too much RP content fits that definition.

I’m so sick of this cuck talk. TRP is all but dead.

16 upvotesGayLubeOil7 months ago

The joke that everyone here seems to forget is that we grew the Red Pill by writing common sense vanilla sex/relationship advice in a provacative misogynistic tone.

This brought the ire of SJWs who publicly proclaimed their indignation at the Red Pill, thus advertising it to all of Reddit.

Then a whole bunch of Incels showed up who legitimately blamed all of their problems onto women and were to autistic to get the game. Ironically this made the game more enjoyable.

The issue here is that yea of course you are right about the Incels I just don't want this to devolve into "a real alpha respects women". Because that would be lame and gay.

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4 upvotesThe-Wizard-of-Oz-7 months ago

It's an excellent post, very well summed up

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The OP needs to address #metoo, the influence of feminism and radical feminism, the effect of hypergamy + technology, and so on. Otherwise it's great advice for a world that no longer exists.

3 upvotesTheGweatandTewwible7 months ago

Perfect. I remember when I first started TRP back in 2016. I was frustrated and very very angry at women. The more you interact with them, however, the more you realize it's just the way it is. Women just hang around do shit... sort of like fish lol you also learn to have fun, which in turn made game into one of my favorite things in this world.

You also realize that for better or for worse, once you get a woman on your side, she'll bend over backwards for you. Any women that's nagging, fighting or disrespecting you is 100% on you. Put up healthy boundaries and a girl will think twice before crossing them.

Peace, my dudes

3 upvotesxoxuv7 months ago

The red Pill commonly frames the feminist doctrine as kind of a shit test, and inherent to feminine behavior, but it should be noted that most of the main writers on the feminist doctrine are openly lesbian, (or lesbian in the closet, with lots of lesbian writings). That's absolutely out of proportion with the percentage of lesbian in any population.

Some were married or bisexual, but at a time when marriage was almost obligatory for all women.

Simone de Beauvoir (bisexual).

Virginia Wolf (lesbian, but married).

Monique Wittig (lesbian).

Joanna Russ (lesbian).

Judith Butler (lesbian).

Kate Millett (lesbian, but married).

So, modern feminism should not be reduced to just a shit test. It should be understood as a lesbian utopia, where competition from men is destroyed. Men are demonized, called toxic and violent, but the same behavior that is "toxic" in men is encouraged in women.

Feminist is for no reason intertwined with LGBT interests. Imagine if the main representatives of "masculinism" were all gay. Would you feel represented?

Feminine roles are shamed. The mother at home is shamed, pleasing men is shamed.

Women are demanded to do male activities, even the ones women don't enjoy, like being champions at first person shooters, crying discrimination, becasue "women play games same as men", hiding under the carpet that women's games are The Sims and Candy Crush, instead of Fortnite.

Why biological sexual identification is repressed by feminists? Why the discourse about "gender is a social construct? Because that is the ideal world for lesbians.

Feminist self arrogate representation of "women", but they had never been elected. They declare themselves to represent women who never knew they exist, and never gave then any representative rights.

When feminist ideas destroy the lives of women, they ignore it, and prosecute anybody pointing to the problem, accusing that person of being extreme right, conservative, toxic, and censoring that person from twiter, Facebook, Youtube, and closing access to the bank system, Patreon, Paypal, and other financial services (exactly the same as people denied basic services in the soviet union, for criticizing the regime or not belonging to the only official party).

8 upvotesWingflier7 months ago

I appreciate the sentiment of this post, but let's be honest, calling the female half of the human population irrational, illogical, and best to viewed and treated like children is misogyny by any reasonable definition, or at the very least will be viewed as such.

As a sub, we have to be intelligent enough to understand that and to stop acting like we're not deserving of the shit they say about us.

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3 upvotesWingflier7 months ago

My issue is that I don't think we can reasonably say that the female half of the population, worldwide, even with all the genetic variance that is possible within human beings, and with overwhelming evidence that some women are geniuses and extremely proficient at tasks in which she could best even most men (like Chess), are irrational, illogical, and should be treated as children.

Of the women that are irrational, illogical and should be treated like children, which I agree is most women in the West, I also question how much of this is biological and how much of it is the way women here are socialized to behave this way.

I think the Red Pill mentality is extremely precise and important for examining the problems and exploitable features of female psychology and behavior **within the Western world**. There seems to be an internally consistent critique and discovery of how women typically behave, and it teaches men rational ways to understand and take advantage of this trend so that they are the benefactors of it, not the victims.

My experience with women outside of the United States and European countries has been very different. There is still plenty of typical female "basic" behavior of course, but there is a much higher percentage, in my experience, of rational actors and people who can construct and adhere to an internal moral code, or in other words have honor and integrity.

I question how honest or effective it is for members of TRP community to make profoundly negative sweeping generalizations about 3.5+ billion people simply because of their experiences with women in a culture that is admittedly, a conveyor belt for self-aggrandizing and entitled narcissists; the worst kinds of people you can possibly imagine.

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4 upvotesTheHayha7 months ago

I don't think even a quarter of the population can be considered rational. Look at Richard Thaler, this guy won a nobel prize by showing the irrationality of humans in economics. Irrationality is the norm, the question is to which degree.

2 upvotesWingflier7 months ago

I completely agree that most humans are irrational beings, but I question whether we can group all women into that category, and we can also agree that there are plenty of men who fit into this category as well (like the men who let women take advantage of them). Irrationality, as you say, seems to be a human trait, not a female one.

2 upvoteslala_xyyz7 months ago

nature is misogynistic and irrational, who are you to bend natural laws to you ideology?

2 upvotesWingflier7 months ago

Nature is not misogynistic or irrational because it does not possess agency or the capacity to make rational decisions. It can't hate women. It seems you're the one attempting to bend the concept of nature to your own ideology.

1 upvotesIdabfordayz7 months ago

You're merely projecting your feelings into the og's post. You're reacting like a woman; emotionally and irrationally.

2 upvotesWingflier7 months ago

Not at all. Tell me what was irrational about what I just said? This is a completely logical point. You're projecting at me because your stance on this topic is not rational. You're relying purely on emotion.

1 upvotesIdabfordayz7 months ago

There's no way to logically prove that someone is a misogynist, which makes that irrational.

2 upvotesWingflier7 months ago

Your comment commits at least two logical fallacies. Number 1. I never called anyone a misogynist in this discussion so it's a strawman. What I said was that we can't expect calling the female half of the population irrational and illogical to be viewed as anything less than such. Number 2. It's a false dilemma because you don't need concrete evidence to prove that someone is wrong, you can do it with philosophical discourse. Number 3. There is, for all intent and purposes concrete evidence that someone is a misogynist (say they are Elliot Rodgers, wrote a manifesto admitting as such, and then killed a bunch of women before killing himself). This disproves your claim.

2 upvoteslala_xyyz7 months ago

women (and in general all life forms except men) are irrational because nature evolved them to be as such. hardwiring emotional decisions leading to reproductive success is advantageous to random decision making. nature is also misogynstic to human females because they have no other useful purpose other than being baby factories. they are weak, cognitively inferior, unable to innovate, self-reflect, support themselves, and come equipped with a plethora of built-in biases that wreak havoc upon society when unleashed. it's a built-in feature of a man to despise women and hold them as lower lifeforms. it takes a lot of propaganda and brainwashing from an early age to perceive women as "equal".

2 upvotesWingflier7 months ago

You've made a ton of unsubstantiated claims, for example, "women serve no other purpose than being baby factories", but you've provided no evidence to back these claims, only what seems to be your extremely biased and hateful opinion. You hate women, that's clear, but don't portray your hatred of women as science because it's not. You're attempting to use pseudo-science to justify your hatred of women and it's not very convincing to anyone outside of your own echo chamber.

1 upvotesDistractingyou7 months ago

They are weaker than man is true, cognitively inferior is also true from chess to fortnite to soccer girls always play in the lower leagues, also girls have the attention of a fish and they seem smart sometimes cause they are good at memorizing that's why they do well in school but as new problem solvers they suck, stem is the pinacle of humanity and the majority of this people are man, girls lack curiosity and a major part of inteligence Is the search of knowledge most girls lack that normally they are stuck on social media like mindless drons, solipsism is a lack of self reflection including blaming man for all their problems on their life but to your credit some woman actually have self reflection so i will pass this, most innovators were man and if you have something as the prevent man spreading chair invention from a sjw as the pinacle of female inventions we have a problem, it's true they can't support themselves, they are slower and less resistance to run many miles to hunt and they are less aggresive meaning that girls wont hunt her husband would do that, also it's true that they have in built biases that wreak havoq upon society when unleashed, their lack of control and self awareness means most of them are doomed to waste money on petty bullshit having big debt with big banks like i even saw that in my own family it's actually sad but it's true, their nature is self destructive and also girls natural bitchiness makes their in built rationality worse, they tend to be so fucking evil and machiavelian between each other that i am gratefull i am not a fucking girl. Female nature left unchecked only ends up in ugly ways from their inbult solipsism that it's only natural final conclussion which is hedonistic cynicism with the only realization of you wanting to kill yourself (that's why girls overall hapiness is always lower than man google girls have less hapinness in their lifes than man) to machiavelian evil crabs in the same bucket bully Tactics they play between each other and weak man. Final conclusion their nature is fucked up

1 upvotesImperator_Red7 months ago

hateful opinion.

Moralizing —> against sub rules

1 upvotesWingflier7 months ago

Nothing in TRP prohibits you from having and following a code of ethics. You're welcome to discuss why certain morals or values might exist, or their benefit in the context of strategy, however arguments that stem from morality (i.e. this is evil, therefore) are strictly prohibited.

The argument didn't stem from morality. I made an 'if, then' statement. "If you've made no argument to back these claims, then it seems it's on based on a biased and hateful opinion."

Therefore, the argument does not stem from morality but from lack of evidence, therefore it's legal.

0 upvoteslala_xyyz7 months ago

I don't "hate2 women, at least not inasmuch as I "hate" the bacteria in my guts. you live with them, tolerate them, grow them, but in the end you either flush their byproducts down the toilet, or you use them to feed you energy. hatred is the emotion of a weak, the irrational pathetic brainwashed soyboys likes yourself. no man true to himself thinks of women as nothing else as children in the bodies of a grown-up. now that you mention such emotions repeatedly, I'm starting to think that you're an xx yourself. begone femtard

1 upvotesWingflier7 months ago

Interestingly, if I were a Feminist or a woman, it would make my point no less valid. It seems you've begun playing identity politics, as well as engaging in ad hominem attacks, which ironically makes you no better than the Feminists or women that you criticize because you are no longer engaging in rational behavior. If you can't argue a point on its own merit, and must instead attack the person making the point, you have already lost the argument. So I will say to you, good game sir, and have a cucked day.

1 upvotesIdabfordayz7 months ago

But it's the truth so. They are illogical. Try having a logical discussion with one.

0 upvotesWingflier7 months ago

I do all the time. My girlfriend is a professional therapist. She gives logical advance to both men and women for a living. She relies on her rationality to not only make good decisions in her own life, but also to better the lives of the people who come to her seeking guidance. This Redpill notion that women are incapable of rationality is completely baseless.

1 upvotesImperator_Red7 months ago

I appreciate the sentiment of this post, but let's be honest, calling the female half of the human population irrational, illogical, and best to viewed and treated like children is misogyny by any reasonable definition, or at the very least will be viewed as such.

Tone policing —> against sub rules

Concern trolling —> against sub rules

1 upvotesWingflier7 months ago

I'm going to have nuanced opinions that disagree with the sentiment or message someone is presenting, even if I agree with the greater point. If that gets me banned from this sub then so be it. It clearly wasn't a place to have reasonable dialogue anyway and may as well be a Feminist subreddit.

1 upvotescristianwonder7 months ago

This sub used to be baste and it redpilled me on the woman question. Sadly it has gone downhill. It used to be filled with insightful, thought provoking posts of a high intellectual caliber.

Now it's filled with trashy, low-T alpha male fanfics that reiterate the same basic and unoriginal points 6 gorillian times.

Also it's degenerated to being a low-IQ PUA sub. Guys come on here and brag about their body count and how they're 50 with no kids. They're basically male cat ladies. Young men: you don't want to be that guy. Alphas have 10 kids and 200 acres. Remember that.

1 upvotes420KUSHBUSH7 months ago

Aye, I cherish when I first stumbled upon this sub. Far less toxicity and things were kept civil

1 upvotesGuthix4Days7 months ago

Yes, treat women as "children" even though they are fully-grown adults and allow them to have absolutely NO responsibility for their plots and schemes.

4 upvotes187oddfuture7 months ago

This doesn’t change the fact that they shouldn’t vote.

1 upvotesProject_Zero_Betas7 months ago

This and overturning Roe are the most important steps we can take to ending the domination of feminism.

2 upvotesaDrunkenWhaler7 months ago

You make some great points but also poor ones.

Yes, women are not flawed versions of men. They are the way they are because that is how they needed to be to get to where we are now. Simple evolution at play. But that does not mean they are not inferior to men. They are inferior to men in almost every way, just as children are. And that is an objective truth that has nothing to do with anger phases or whatnot. Just as a cat is inferior to a lion, and not a flawed version, because they both have specific atributes and their specific role in the world.

Saying to treat them like children, which is solid advice, is precisely saying to treat them as inferior versions of yourself.

Also, your politcal argument regarding social power is an anecdotal fallacy. Yes, men in power have provided the worse regimes, but also the most fruitful ones. Men in power brought cicilization to where it is today. Balance between men and women will always lead to women having more power, which leads to socialism and eventually the collapse of that society. From ancient times to today's world.

Besides this, your advice is solid.

Tl;dr - women are NOT flawed versions of men, but they ARE inferior versions of men.

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0 upvotesaDrunkenWhaler7 months ago

Inferior in almost every way. Inferior in strength, agility, endurance, dexterity, intelligence, IQ, logic, analytic & critical thinking, creativity, personality, emotional stability. Name almost any job or skill, and men are better. Try to name some things women are better at (not just different) and you'll scratch your head thinking. There are plenty of metrics and science behind this.

Lifestyle has little to nothing to do with attributes. Again, your are making an anecdotal fallacy.

1 upvoteswrightedgeworthy7 months ago

And which animal is in brink of extinction again?

1 upvotesfrooschnate7 months ago

I don’t get why there’s so much of this posted as if it’s a new discovery. Yeah since the quarantine quality went to shit but all of what you’re saying is sidebar material.

The kindergarten teacher example was really good though

1 upvotesSirPleaser7 months ago

Great post OP, we really needed that reminder 👏🏼👍🏼

-7 upvotesmasterpiece007 months ago

Women Aren’t Men:

Duh, Way to state the obvious OP, what the hell were you smoking when you wrote post out?

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