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The Atlantic blames the Manosphere for mass shootings. "Ironically, it simultaneously claims that: All right minded people today support feminism, [only dangerous and insane people oppose feminism.] AND Feminism is not a powerful force in our society. [It's an insane conspiracy theory.]"

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Title The Atlantic blames the Manosphere for mass shootings. "Ironically, it simultaneously claims that: All right minded people today support feminism, [only dangerous and insane people oppose feminism.] AND Feminism is not a powerful force in our society. [It's an insane conspiracy theory.]"
Author redpillschool
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Date 13 August 2019 09:12 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]CainPrice40 points41 points  (11 children) | Copy

You can't expect too much logic from opinion-pieces.

Here's the prevailing logic:

99% of mass shooters are men.

Why are these men killing people?

Because they're men. Didn't you read the line above? 99% of mass shooters are men.

If you want to solve mass shooting, get rid of men. Easy peasy.

[–]penorgold16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy

And if you disagree with this completely logical argument you must be sexist.

[–]CainPrice21 points22 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's woman math. Statistics are commutative.

99% of mass shooters are men is the same thing as 99% of men are mass shooters.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K1816 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sad thing is, that's how it will be interpreted.

Same as all the toxic masculinity arguments.

'All toxic guys are naturally masculine. Therefore, all men are toxicly masculine. If you display any masculine traits, you're toxic'

Or some shit like that. Same as saying 'Most animals that have bitten children are dogs. Therefore most dogs bite children'.

Then you're walking your dog somewhere and he barks at someone - 'OMG, there is that child biting bastard. Put him down'!

Then an entire species of dogs internalize guilt, shame, believe barking, being dominant, having hair and a tail is wrong and start believing it'll be honourable and respected to act like cats.

Fucked up the narrative that happens to many men.

[–]CainPrice2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's actually one of their deepest hopes.

If they promote the idea that 99% of evil people are men, therefore there is something inherently wrong with men, they hope that good men will feel guilty about their share of the evil in men. Some kind of inborn, inherent share of male guilt, just for being born with a penis. As though every man is just a little bit responsible for the evil actions of a small number of messed up people, because he was born male.

That's the impetus behind the whole men need to do better, men need to be taught to do or not do things, men need to hold each other accountable, masculinity is toxic, etc. push. It's the idea that all men are born with an inherited share of inherent male guilt for being part of an evil gender.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, it's horrible.

I realise we're not going over any new ground, but the extent of it is mind-blowing.

I opened the newspaper today and saw another article beginning with 'male violence has claimed another life'.

I mean, really? What purpose does it serve to highlight the male aspect?

The whole thing is so fucking insane. 'Toxic masculinity'? There is nothing toxic about masculinity. The two words shouldn't be side by side.

A read a great article about the 'impotent healer's. How men have internalized that their masculinity is evil and hurtful. Shit down their masculine urges and become impotent.

They also believe the feminine has been hurt, wounded and needs healing.

A generation of men who are impotent and trying to rescue everyone.

What happens? 'Oh yeah, sorry. That was all bullshit, you lose'.

It's crazy to realise how much needless guilt guys carry. Over a tiny tiny population of men, who are more affected by complex trauma bad childhoods, neglect and abuse than 'masculinity'.

Rant over. Sometimes I remember how fucked up the illusion is

[–]Dane500 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s “stripper” math. FIFY.

[–]largepaycheckaddict11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is how you lower birth rates in western society. Women read this crap and eat it up then think they’re doing the world a favor by refusing to marry and killing their babies. But realistically, they’re creating more of a psycho/social strain on society and thus enabling more of these gone postal mass killings to take place- the cycle repeats. This is a psyop brought to you by “gods chosen people” and the media blitz.

Mass killings are nothing more than a symptom of a deranged sick sad broken society.

[–]CainPrice5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's a hopeless situation for women because 99% of shooters are men and 99% of men are shooters literally -are- the same thing.

Men are stronger than women. Always have been, always will be, at least until someone invents some dystopian genetic engineering process to make men weaker.

That means that even though 99.99999 percent of men are good people who don't hurt women, any one man could. He's strong enough to. Which means it only takes one man who decides to say "fuck it all" to take a woman's power away, and today she becomes a rape victim, gets robbed, gets beaten up, or gets murdered.

Every single minute of every single day, women are helpless, powerless, and completely dependent on men choosing to behave well and not use their superior strength. It's maddening for them to feel so powerless all the time. They're angry. Helpless. Lashing out.

And there's no solution. It doesn't matter how many rights women are given or how many rights are taken away from men or how much education and social engineering they do. Men will always be stronger, and it will always take just one man who's not playing along to turn a woman into a rape victim. There's no win condition for feminism. No matter what they do, it will never feel like enough. They'll still feel helpless and powerless. They'll always want more. The only possible win condition for them is the end of men. Locking us all up in camps.

[–]MyNameIsSaifa1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You've gone a bit far off the deep end there goy

[–]Caper675 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women aren't mass shooting because they're too busy drowning their children in bath tubs.

[–]pm_me_tangibles25 points26 points  (12 children) | Copy

> only dangerous and insane people oppose feminism

kind of reminds you of totalitarian extremist religious people doesn't it? *either you agree with me or you are pure evil*

[–]throwlaca8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, we are dangerous. To them and their totalitarian feminist religion of course.

[–]pm_me_tangibles4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just by being reasonable and putting fair interest first we are dangerous to feminism and every other ideology that can only exist by manipulation, extortion, threats and shaming.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Reminds me of the book animal farm.

[–]pm_me_tangibles5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Also the beginnings of any cult. With us or enemy that should be shamed, smashed.

[–]throwlaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They are way past the beginning. They are in full-on cult mode.

[–]Protocol_Apollo6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

This kind of thinking is incredibly retarded.

If you want to destroy an idea, you have to do it through discourse.

This thinking makes your opposition go underground and then nobody knows who, where and how many the “enemy is”

Same thing happened with trump. Everyone tried to delegitimise anyone who liked/wanted to vote for him by calling them racists, bigots etc.

Those people then kept their mouth shut until they came to the voting booths where they could say how they felt privately through a vote.

Cue the shock when half the country voted for him

[–]pm_me_tangibles5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

They inherited the fruits of a system they didn’t build. They see all the bad of the system (a system which is infinitely better than being without the system) but they take for granted all the good. They don’t even see the good. They are ungrateful and stunningly entitled.

Making Western civilisation took incredible effort and sacrifice. They just want the spoils.

They are entitled and little in their thinking. They can never make anything. Could you even imagine an island civilisation of feminists??

[–]foxhound525-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

The irony is that trump got to where he is by creating his own cult of crazies. Read the section in 48 Laws of Power about creating a cult and it's basically a description of what he did, including the ol' scapegoating the 'other' and pretending to be like your cultists (oooh I'm not part of the elite, I'm just like you except I'm a billionaire and the most obvious part of the 'elite' to have ever been president). Vague substance-less catchphrases harkening back to the past (which in reality was even worse in america) and substance-less speech. The dude is like a propaganda tape recorder stuck on loop. Doesn't even try to hide the blindingly obvious constant manipulation of his voter base! The dude is one of the dumbest people on earth (e.g. windfarms cause cancer?! LOL) but his raving cultists lap up his claims of being a genius and other stuck-on-repeat self aggrandisement bollocks that he spews to avoid saying anything meaningful. And the list goes on and on and on.

[–]throwlaca4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

The dude is one of the dumbest people on earth

Yes, sure dude. He's so dumb he was the head of a top tv show, was in multiple movies, and was elected president. Dumbest people on earth, sure.

[–]FuzzyBeanDip0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Retard alert.

The dumbass thinks Trump controls everything but is dumb as shit.

Classic example of not respecting your enemy.

[–]VictoryIsDivine 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Try not to read this shit. I've stopped reading feminist arguments because I've heard them all a million times - we get it, they're narrow-minded and totally without nuance or a bigger picture. They also have a shit tonne of double standards and are tinged with bitterness and genuine hatred. Feminists (particularly media ones) are generally worthless, unthinking, bitter cunts with nothing to contribute but complaints.

But what does this do for us? Nothing. What does reading their bullshit add to our lives? Nothing. Just ignore them - they can't be reasoned with and they just try and take you down.

Feminism is just a giant shit test. Their shit has 2 functions:

  1. It distracts real men from their MISSION

  2. It makes less able men into their cuck bitches

As with any shit test the best advice is to ignore it and proceed as a man. Ignore feminism, feminists and their bullshit arguments and double standards. You have better things to do.

[–]DeChef26 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Honestly, stop paying attention to feminism.

We all know how much women love their attention.

Feminism is no different.

[–]shaggyctes882 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I believe that may actually be our greatest failed shit test....I loved so much arguing with them, while in fact we should just ignore them and laught

[–]calcul8rallig8r12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Woman make horrible leaders and mass shooters are virgin weebs. Moreover geopolicitcs is extra retarted and is the reason why aliens still havent visited

[–]Gnosiis_5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow what a mess. Her "opinion" piece doesn't tie in the manosphere at all except to say "Stacy" and "Chad".

Only insane people oppose feminism? That horse is so high I'm breaking my neck to look up.

Feminism isn't a powerful force in our society? Then I guess her claim that all right-minded people support feminism must be bologna.

Feminists are presumed to influence all government decisions, even though women are still underrepresented at every level of elected office? I guess you need to be a woman to support feminism, and hold positions of power to get what you want. Societal influences can be just as powerful.

You know what I was gonna say more but I don't have the energy to go through this nonsense again.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K184 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus. The level of retardedness in the original article is astounding.

Such unashamed double standards. 'We didn't make it about gender, the shooters did'.

Let's just ignore that they're writing an article explicitly drawing attention to the shooter's gender.

It reminds me of some 1930's racial propoganda. 'We didn't make it about blacks. Black did'....but we're gonna make it all about blacks.

Grow up. Not a trace of how complex trauma, family upbringing, abuse, emotional dysfunction, neglect or an entire range of things can contribute.

This is bullshit. Using one issue to advance their own.

Gender may have some contributing factor, albeit very small, but so does a vast array of other things.

[–]throwlaca5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most mass shootings are suicides.

Not only from Betas. A lot of mass shooters are alt-right but there was an ultra feminist trump-hater SJW too. Media seems to forget about that one.

Suicides are such a epidemic that the Air force is seriously looking into it a it's the number one killer of armed forces in the world.

Until the society starts looking at men as persons and not like second-class citizens, and the feminism and crazy social scoring of social networks comes to an end, suicides will increase, and when men suicide they sometimes take people with them to hell.

>The 28-year-old man awaiting trial over the Christchurch massacre wrote a self-justifying screed titled “The Great Replacement.” It begins: “It’s the birthrates. It’s the birthrates. It’s the birthrates.”

But he's not wrong in this. There's a reason Christians and Jewish cult mandate have as many kids as you can. In 100 years you can completely replace the population of a country.

[–]RobertLongshaft813 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Who read that leftist shitrag? I'd rather shit in my hands and clap.

[–]largepaycheckaddict5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

There they go with their gaslighting and gatekeeping again.

Realistically, women’s suffrage was the downfall of the western world. It’s no coincidence that the world wars shortly followed.

[–]DeChef24 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

No. WWI was completely about European power lusting after land they wanted but another country couldn’t have.

WWII basically happened cuz we screwed Germany in the Treaty of Versailles. And cuz certain totalitarian leaders wanted to conquer more land.

Besides. WWI ended in 1918.

The 19th Amendment was ratified in 1920.

[–]largepaycheckaddict1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I was talking about women’s suffrage in the west in general.. beyond the us.

[–]DeChef21 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Still wrong. Only women in Norway, Finland, and Australia had the right to vote before WWI.

[–]largepaycheckaddict1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly, that was the beginning.

[–]DeChef24 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. So women’s suffrage couldn’t have caused WWI. Those countries weren’t the antagonists.

This shouldn’t be hard.

[–]BuzzLightGear321 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I would like to say that giving men universal suffrage was the first downfall. If you don't own property (a tax payer with a positive net worth ish) then you shouldn't vote. Too easy for bums to vote themselves more money from tax payers.

[–]foxhound525-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Worst idea I've ever heard

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a positive feedback loop of retardation where if you want to work for the mainstream media you have to be too stupid to see the contradiction leading to more mainstreem media retardation in the long-term.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Blackpilled people snap redpilled people improve themselves.

[–]Nicolas06311 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women act differently but are not better if you ask me. This is just that men are more likely to act because of their inner drive be it for the best or the worst.

[–]3Yakatonker1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Feminism is a government sponsored, government funded, CIA run population control program. Like any propaganda the government is trying to deflect obvious criticism of its activities. The Atlantic which is an extension of the real government is simply spinning its bullshit for the unwashed masses who still buy into a "normative" world view.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Back then, if you didn't preach for equality of wealth like 80% of the population, you were a moron. Communism happened, and guess what: millions of people died in the name of utopia.

There's no point in arguing with preachers of an absolute ideal. Only time can disprove their beliefs.

[–]Diablo-D31 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

I actually sort of agree with what the Atlantic is saying, you're Right-minded if you support feminism, as in, you're Right-wing... politics in America is one giant circle, if you go Left far enough, you end up on the Right, and that's a pretty dangerous place to be.

What I'm trying to say is, The Atlantic is, correctly, claiming Feminism is the same thing as Alt-Right Neonazis.

[–]Imperator_Red 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

We shouldn’t accommodate leftist apologists anymore. Be gone.

[–]Diablo-D31 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not sure whats worse, the fact you didn't pick up on the obvious satire, or the fact that you're apparently defending feminism (?!) by claiming I'm a leftist apologist because I called them out for being indistinguishable from the alt-right.

To make it more obvious: No, The Atlantic is not actually claiming Feminism is part of the alt-right, as that is a large part of their readership, and they are doomed to pander to that rather vocal segment.

[–]DeChef20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you were going for satire you did it wrong. You have to go all in.

But in you original reply, you say,

I actually sort of agree with what the Atlantic is saying.

That is not how you go about making satire.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

politics in America is one giant circle, if you go Left far enough, you end up on the Right, and that's a pretty dangerous place to be.

It's not so much that it's a giant circle, but that there's more than a single left-right continuum, there's a second axis which measures legislation based on libertarian/authoritative descriptions as well as the more well-known left/right wrt economic policy.

[–]Diablo-D31 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I am aware, however, political discourse in America doesn't really understand that (at least, with most average Americans), and that there are also no real good examples of successful governments (as in, no Communists) that embody "left-wing authoritarianism", although certainly there are individual groups that embody that.

So, in lieu of a more nuanced public discourse, the Horseshoe theory seems to fit well enough.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Gotcha, majored in polisci so I just like discussing the nitty-gritty of it :-)

[–]8380atgmaildotcom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A liberal journal writes a liberal piece of journalism.

I am shocked.

[–]Lateralanouncer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As expected. When the social decline hits hard men will be to blame.

[–]hearse2230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TRP actually might be saving the world from the wrath of many more incels.

I'd imagine if most of the shooters found TRP instead of 4ch /r9k/ or 8ch /pol/ they wouldnt have snapped.



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