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No more Interest from Girls after Maximizing my Looks & Steroids. Diving into Depression. Should I switch to Cold Approaches?

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August 4, 2019
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I wrote a similar post last month, but I didn't get the point across.

Tought I could fix this myself, but last night I had an emotional breakdown.

After another disastrous night I went to church at 5 AM.

I cried for the first time in 2 years.

I did everything TRP recommended regarding maximizing my looks & it seems like I shot myself in the foot.

I look better than ever before.

But my results are much worse than when I started looking like total shit 2 years ago.

I'm trying to figure out if I'm going insane or if it's something I can fix with my looks.

Here's the tl;dr:

- 25yo in Germany

- Living alone in apartment I own

- Easily got girls at 140 pounds, 6' after reading TRP by overdressing

- Somewhat pretty face

- Hyperactive, talking a lot

- Used to get plenty IOIs from girls during night & day

- I'd walk in a club, choose a girl that smiled at me, talk to her

- Take her home or get her number, meet for coffee, take her to apartment, bang, sometimes plate

- Target group (petite, 5'5 & below, cute) easily achievable

Then...

- Started natural lifting, gains got to my head

- More girls than ever despite body still looking like shit

- Lots of plates

- 3 Steroid cycles to get to 215 lbs at ~14% BF, 6 foot

- Got a tan, grew a full, shaped beard

- Cleared up skin

- Classic recommended black T-Shirt, chino pants, boots look

- Look better than ever

- Became a lot less talkative, described as "the silent type" now

But...

- ZERO INTEREST FROM GIRLS

- Self esteem completely crushed

- Developed body dysmorphia

- Lost all plates except one

- NO IOIs whatsoever, during the day or night

- Men are hostile towards me, assume I'm getting tons of girls, but I AM NOT

- Get hit on by gay men

- I don't drink alcohol, "weak" drugs like Phenibut no longer help keep my mood up at night

- Disgusted looks, scared girls get to my head

- Petite group seems forever out of reach

- Diving into severe depression, emotional instability, bipolar behavior

- About to lose my last plate & have no backup plan to replace her

The only people appreciating my new gains are:

- Other men at the gym

- Gay men

- MILFs lusting over me

- Ugly girls

- The last plate I still have

Things I have considered:

- lift shoes to get to 6'2~6'3 because I've been told I may be too short

- get down to lower bodyfat for more vascularity

- shorter beard

- I may be in the wrong city or country. I'm not sure if TRP applies to Germany because it's Clown World.

- Change up my style, black T-Shirt might make me look like a bouncer

- Tailor all my clothes so they go from decent fit to perfect fit

- Semi-Dox myself here with physique / dress style / face images to ask you guys what that fuck is wrong with me

- Take harder drugs to elevate my Mood. Phenibut does not cut it anymore. I get too depressed.

- Get over my aversion to cold approaching. Play the PUA number's game. Approach 100 girls cold.

Other things worth noting:

- Nobody in my city lifts. You do not see muscular men outside the gym here.

- There are no typical Chads. I was aware of this, so I thought the peacocking effect would help me. Nope.

- I live in a leftist Eco-City full of hippies and foreigners

- Typical "soy boys", balding, glasses, skinnyfat, get very hot girls in clubs

- I look in disbelief when I see fat, poor, ugly men with girls hotter than anything I ever had

This shit is making me legitimately sad.

It seems like I am either invisible or a dangerous threat to women that see me.

I put in all this work, risked my health with steroids and my results are worse than before I started.

I don't even want hot girls. I like them plain. I'm perfectly fine with a 6.5/10.

Petite, cute, little makeup. MISS ME with these Instagram thots.

The fact that I get NO GIRLS now destroys my ego.

I hate cold approaching and never did it before.

Neither a night and especially not during the day.

In my opinion, cold approaching is for low SMV guys that get no IOIs. Why would she want to talk to me?

There's no point talking to a random girl without getting signals from her before.

I think it's creepy, slimy & I'd feel watched when I do it with multiple girls at the same venue.

The personality changes also made me talk less.

I hate playing the hyperactive clown to keep her attention & say very few words nowadays.

I just want to cut the bullshit small talk and show a girl what I have to offer.

A hard big cock, king size bed, unlimited stamina and a drawer full of lingerie from last year that's collecting fucking dust now.

I saw a cute girl from the gym in the city last night.

She's what I consider my perfect target group, a personal 9/10.

Petite, athletic, 20 years old, nice round ass, pretty face, not too much make-up, natural beauty.

She was kissing a 5 foot 6, skinnyfat, balding, 30 year old man in an oversized print T-Shirt and cargo pants.

This was the point where I called it quits that night and went to church to pray.

I don't understand anything anymore.


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Title No more Interest from Girls after Maximizing my Looks & Steroids. Diving into Depression. Should I switch to Cold Approaches?
Author comfyroompls
Upvotes 98
Comments 126
Date 04 August 2019 02:23 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]ostboll057130 points131 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, chill the fuck out about your appearence. Work on yourself emotinally. Maybe get a therapist but do not self medicate, it'll only make things worse as you will not get to the root of it all.

[–]holddadoorhodor180 points181 points  (8 children) | Copy

Read half and you talk about your own appearance more than most woman.

Stop getting your validation from woman and become your own mental point of origin.

[–]mmishu2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

What does the last part mean? Become your own mental point of origin?

[–]TheRedPillRipper4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

mental point of origin

The Rational Male has a good article about it. Personally my Mental Point Of Origin is how I value myself. My physical self; my emotional and intellectual self. Even my spiritual self. All these facets of my frame originate from within.

For example if a girl doesn’t find me attractive; my gaze turns inwards as to why my physical self isn’t manifesting as I wish. If I fail an exam it’s my intellectual self that’s held to account and introspection.

Framing a strong Mental Point of Origin develops and reinforces your sense of self confidence. Your self efficacy. Do it enough and it becomes habit.

Godspeed and good luck!

[–]mmishu4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Arent you putting the power in the girls hand and seeking validation if her not finding you attractive has you reevaluate shit?

[–]TheRedPillRipper0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

reevaluate shit

I’m constantly re-evaluating. Even when I’m succeeding. If a girl I approach doesn’t reciprocate; it’s a great opportunity to learn from it. For introspection.

[–]mmishu2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

but why though? she should have no control over you, esp not ONE girl. but yeah if theres a pattern emerging somethings wrong with you or your approach. but a girl? who might be in the middle of going through something, or its an inconvenient time, or shes in a long term relationship and trying really hard to be faithful or you just caught her at a bad time. could be anything, not a reflection of you at all

[–]TheRedPillRipper2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

not a reflection of you

Exactly. You might never find out why you were lucky with ONE girl as opposed to another. The trick is that with enough insight; its easier to recognise those patterns to your own success; and failure.

[–]dutchgguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lol i stopped after a half too

[–]BajaGhia52 points53 points  (4 children) | Copy

You sound pretty fucking scary to me. Silent homicidal maniac built like a Mac truck who could tear the arms off some tiny girl while fucking her brains out.

No thank you.

Try lightening up a lil, eh? If you look like a terminator you passed the stop sign a while back. Move to a business casual wardrobe, or at least a nice button down shirt with a some color. Think Arnold Shwarzenneggar on vaca with the kids.

I'm not suggesting you go back to being some life of the party hyperactive joker, but enjoy life a lil more. Let other people make jokes, laugh and add a comment and let them talk.

Make friends with the locals. Easy way to do this is at the gym. Your there already and you know who the regulars are, just start talking to them. Introduce yourself "Hey man, you're here a lot, my name is..." Talk to the people at the front desk. They know everyone and would love to gossip with you once they get to know you a bit.

Your headspace is all fucked up I'm sure with the drugs and hormones, can't help you there bro.

[–]comfyroompls[S] 18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

You sound pretty fucking scary to me.

I look scary, but on the inside I'm a recovering nice guy. Never hurt anybody.

If you look like a terminator you passed the stop sign a while back.

Funny that you mention it. Yeah I did drop the leather jacket accessory because it made me look like the fucking terminator.

who could tear the arms off some tiny girl while fucking her brains out

Yes. This is probably why they are scared. The last tiny girl said she almost didn't want to fuck me because she was scared I would "destroy her". That was 30 pounds of mass ago. My girls liked bondage but nothing hurtful.

but enjoy life a lil more

You are right. I do not enjoy life. I constantly worry about money, fear of missing out and wasted years. I'm pretty bitter and it probably shows, no matter how much I try to hide it.

Make friends with the locals. Easy way to do this is at the gym.

I fucked up there.

I fucked two girls at the gym, one of which was a trainer. She deliberately ruined my reputation when she found out about the other girls. Now everybody there hates me and nobody talks to me anymore.

Your headspace is all fucked up

Yes. Tren made it worse, but I'm off it right now.

I hope this shit improves eventually.

[–]dusara2177 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm pretty bitter and it probably shows, no matter how much I try to hide it.

Yep, been there. Done that. Have you ever listened to Jordan Peterson before? His philosophy for this is a large part of what helped me to solve my bitterness. Every day, fix one small aspect of your life even if it's as seemingly-insignificant cleaning your room. Make every day slightly better than the last, and it will add up fast. This is what pulled me out of a deep, deep depression that was nothing less than the result of years of terrible decision-making.

[–]FarfromaHero401 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I second Jordan Petersen. He can give you tools to deal with the emotional turmoil you are experiencing.

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Conversation breeds conversation. Small talk can get a woman into your bed fast.

[–]2RedPill-BlackLotus102 points103 points  (4 children) | Copy

You cant fill a hole inside you with pussy dude. You can fill holes with holes.

[–]h040836513 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Deep

[–]comfyroompls[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Really made me think

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

That guy has been through some shit. Pm him you'll thank me

[–]thy_shall_win69 points70 points  (3 children) | Copy

You try too hard and it shows. It should look natural.

Girls should be the least of your worries right now though. You need to take a break and sort your head out. I would recommend you come off steroids too eventually as using them only as a method to please others is fucking stupid.

[–]comfyroompls[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I took a 6 month break.

Last time I went out was NYE 2019. Then I took the break.

When I came back, it was worse than ever.

[–]shaberone6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

You took a break... and? Just cause you took a break doesn’t mean you actually achieved anything.

[–]Nyquil-Junkie64 points65 points  (0 children) | Copy

It seems like you transformed yourself into what is in your area a style that is... gay. (which is why suddenly you are attracting gay men, and not young hetro women) Maybe back up the train to a point where you were getting the results you want.

[–]Jesusfeminist33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can smell your insecurity from here. I bet girls can just look at you and see a ball of insecurity

[–]MisterRoid49 points50 points  (16 children) | Copy

Maybe the problem is low testosterone from coming off cycle, if you are not on anything right now. That would explain why you are feeling like shit and have such a negative frame of mind. My guess is that the girl's can sense you are unhappy and have no interest because of that.

[–]7omar38 points9 points  (13 children) | Copy

Damn this actually does make a lot of sense. The way his post is portrayed is the same as a woman whining and complaining to another woman after a disastrous event, it kinda gave me the vibe that he has high e2 and low test levels. Op should definitely get blood work done and do a proper PCT and consider going on TRT if he is unable to get his natural levels back post PCT.

[–]comfyroompls[S] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

I don't get off gear.

Between cycles I cruise on TRT doses.

I keep E2 in check with AI.

[–]JeffPrince29 points30 points  (9 children) | Copy

Wow only 25 years old and you’ve already shut down your natural testosterone production for life. That’s sad as fuck. This place needs to do something about steroid talk because there are too many young impressionable minds that are going to ruin their lives.

The main thing that separates men from women isn’t having testosterone in them, since women can just inject, but the ability for our bodies to produce large amounts of testosterone naturally. I couldn’t imagine having to take an injection every week just to feel like a man.

I’d be so worried about things that could happen that would prevent me from getting my injection. What if I get into a car crash and have to spend weeks in the hospital, what if I get a false rape charge and I have to go to prison, what if my house is destroyed in a natural disaster, what if there’s civil unrest, what if the gov shuts down TRT clinics and underground suppliers.

When your body can longer produce testosterone on your own you will feel hopelessly depressed, weak, tired, and miserable everyday unless you can inject it externally

For all of you guys who think you have low T I have seen countless examples of guys bringing it up to healthy levels just by lifting, eating right, and getting lots of sleep

[–]niceguyputin2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Why is natural T shut for life?

[–]JeffPrince14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

As soon as you start injecting testosterone your balls shut down. The longer they’re shut down for the less likely they are to return back to normal. Even guys who run normal cycles and do PCT don’t get their pre cycle T levels back. I ran a couple cycles back when i was young and dumb. I did my research and did a proper PCT but I just didn’t feel right after my first cycle. I was depressed, weak, and had ED. The only thing that made me feel better was doing another cycle. The same thing happened after that cycle but I decided i wouldn’t ever use steroids again. It took a while of feeling like shit but I eventually started feeling better . And that was after shutting down my balls for just a couple months. Imagine someone shutting down their balls for over a year. You probably aren’t coming back from that. That’s why they say TRT is a lifelong commitment

[–]NastyBlueBalls1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dropped out of school? thats some basic info

[–]BuzzLightGear321 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Its not, hes full of shit

[–]niceguyputin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol

[–]DTron2332-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Natural T by itself never gets that high at all, at least compared to steroids like levels.

The whole stigma around gear is pretty stupid, and many men use TRT, or find their own supply online which is a lot cheaper. I’m on gear and I never worry about any of those things you listed, since I know how to prevent them.

The fact is what we put into our body’s doesn’t matter, many humans use some type of drug, his just happens to be gear. Being on TRT and high doses mean our Test levels will always be higher than anyone who’s natural, by at least 4 times.

[–]AceMav211 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What’d you run? Enclomiphene can help restart your HPTA but shit you’ll deflate to like 180 though.

[–]MarvelousWhale0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can pop aromatase inhibitors all day, but you don't know what your E levels are until you test and see what they are.

[–]dani0980 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I experienced this. Felt like a god for months. Came of as bloods got out of wack. Complete night and day fir various reasons

[–]phoenix_md37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

Is this a fake post? Because this is a caricature of what trp prescribes.

It isn’t said much, but trp is for beta men. The instructions and knowledge is ultimately suppose to bring you to a balance between the beta and alpha. That persona is what works for men today.

If you follow trp to it’s maximal end, you will be a shell of a man, looking to maximize hook ups which is ultimately shallow and meaningless (as this post describes).

Find religion and a good therapist. And stop the roids

[–]andyturbo2000 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

I’ve mentioned it before now but there’s a tipping point where you go from super-fuckable to scary as you continue to add gains. This is compounded by the lack of talking. You’re mysterious and by the sounds of it unapproachable. If you look like a fucking Viking, youre going to scare off all but the seasoned women. Young women are usually inexperienced, you probably look like you’d split an inexpericed girl in two, hence the MILFs now interested. If tone down the gym (unless you want to get bummed) and start to develop a less hard nut look. Grow your hair a little longer and get to a more maintainable look in the gym.

[–]comfyroompls[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Very good analysis.

I look very similar to Stian Bjornes (google him) with a longer beard, comparable to the one Kratos has.

Not as ripped, I still have higher bodyfat, but comparable.

I will probably have the Beard cut a little shorter, trim down the mustache so it doesn't cover my upper lip.

Then people will be able to see my smile again.

I'll probably also have to change my outfit from plain black to something less threatening.

This will likely reduce the anxiety of my target group, because like you said I

probably look like you’d split an inexpericed girl in two

Grow your hair a little longer

It's long at the top, short on the sides. like this. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0e/c7/9f/0ec79fa69dc1220b983d77319d90b497.jpg

[–]andyturbo2000 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Dude you probably look amazing. Just be friendly and actively try not to be scary. Remember to smile.

[–]mrrooftops1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I guarantee he doesn't look like that guy. He has dysmorphia, probably looks like a 90s bubble gut bag of potatoes.

[–]BajaGhia10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok, I'm going to throw some ideas at you.

Cardio in the morning, the runners high will elevate your mood and stick with you for a while. Listen to upbeat music through the day, something that let's you bebop your way through it all will help. Try and stay active through the day, if your job is sedentary, then you will need to get up and move a lot. If your job is physically active, then push it a bit harder, keep those endorphins going.

Find a new gym. Far easier to make a higher status first impression than try to recover from a bad rep. Don't shit where you eat.

Realize that tripping on money or lack of progress in life or whatever is one of things holding you back. While you are worrying about this stuff you aren't doing anything about it. Write down your problems that concern you, you prolly have 5-7 things that you cycle through all the time. Create a plan for each, make a flow chart or list of steps to do these thing. Do them to the point where you can't move to the next step until some third party gets back to you or whatever. Now, when you start thinking about this shit you can firmly say to yourself, "I've done my part and everything is going to be okay." Your brain is going to keep fucking with you because it's habit, but with time and practice you'll get there. Then you can let go of that shit and spend that time working on ways to improve yourself, or just be happy for a minute, fuck, you deserve that too.

Lay off the lil cuties for a while, go fuck some milfs that aren't so afraid of you and can appreciate what you got, especially in a town of skinny fat balding dudes.

[–]GoldenHusky9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Never do steroids bro. (Or any other drug) Makes your muscle fibers and veins more apparent. Don't think girls are turn out by that.

For me 215lbs for 6'0 is huge. Especially with 15% bf. Chris Evans was only 177lbs ish for his captain America body and he's 6'0 too.

On another note, how did you clear up your skin?

You should work on some other hobby or passions and focus on mental health.

[–]TehJoshW8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're on a downward slope and can't seem to get out of the spiral, which is causing the slope to furthen. Literally.

It's all in your head. Look how much you're obsessing over your looks and what women think of you. You tried to maximize your results so much that it's gobbled you up whole and consumed you.

You've pushed yourself to the point where you're trying so hard to succeed that it's ruining your self esteem because you're letting failure get to you.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe girls DO find you attractive, but they're intimidated because they think you're better than them?

I remember when I was an ugly little bitch, i'd try sneak glances at chicks I thought were hot, but as soon as they'd turn towards me, i'd avoid them at all costs because I was intimidated as I perceived myself as below them. Chicks do it too. Just a possibility. That hot babe you saw and wanted an IOI from was probably too indimidated to even attempt a semi-obvious IOI. You're essentially waiting for a woman to make the first move. You know better than that.

Stop determining your self worth with IOI's and which HBs are looking at you and which ones aren't. You've officially pedastalized the pussy and it sent you down a terrible spiral. Like u/RedPill-BlackLotus said, you can't fill a hole inside you with pussy. Do you think you look good? Do you REALLY think you've maximized your appearance? Then fucking act like it, everyone can sense low self esteem a mile away. Pussy isn't everything, stop letting it control your frame and self worth.

[–]NegativeMeeting815 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you live in small town it could possibly be that you look weird after steroids because of the local norms.

I also suspect that you really have been spoiled your body with extreme amounts of muscle that look unnatural. More muscle is not the same thing as a better body.

[–]pwnerofnoob6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hormones will fuck you up if you're predisposed to certain mental health conditions.

Chris Benoit, that sort of thing. People unlock doors with exogenous hormone usage, some of them are far better left closed. I say this from experience.

Get some perspective from some stable men in your life, preferably naturals. All the trp stuff aside, this might be the real recent reason you are having issues.

[–]jrr6415sun5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

How the hell are you too short at 6’

[–]isodomize2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Loooool, I thought the same thing. 6' is plenty tall enough. I couldn't imagine how this dude would react/handle life if he were actually balding.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’ve read TRP but you haven’t internalized anything by the looks of it. You’re still searching for validation from everything outside of you and forgetting that the only validation is that which comes from within. Your mission is so linear and one dimensional that it’s no wonder you’re not coming anywhere close to the end of it.

2 years and no results. That should tell you everything you need to know about what you’re doing with your life (hint: it’s not much). Your entire post screams victim and that will always hold you back, no matter how much you think you’ve improved yourself. As long as your perspective stays the same you will always get the same results.

You still have a long way to go. Way longer than you’re even aware of.

[–]Ijohnored4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's why you only apply TRP to your goals. You clearly were happy before and only out of shape. You could have gone in shape and stopped there no need for steroids. Maybe you go on a caloric deficit to get back to a 'fitness model' look rather than 'bodybuilder'

[–]comfyroompls[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You clearly were happy before and only out of shape.

I wasn't happy before and I'm not happy now. The hyperactive overdressed persona felt just as faked as the bodybuilder type I portray now.

get back to a 'fitness model' look rather than 'bodybuilder'

Yes, this is on the list of recalibration.

If I cut down more, I'll be at 200, shredded.

Less intimidating in clothes and ultra ripped without clothes.

[–]sixseven895 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

steroids

diving into depression

[–]Lateralanouncer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m worried for you. And want to help. I had a tough time when I was younger getting woman and a drought may be ahead for you and that is okay. I worked on my life. Hobbies and business which made me into a man I am.

your self worth is around woman’s validation and that is dangerous. Think of it this way. Woman rate them selfs by what level of man that pumps them or how many Instagram likes they get etc. Your are not a woman so I suggest you change that focus.

Your a man. You age like wine and need to grow into a man. Self validation from your self accomplishments.

If you need help get help.

[–]RedKepler2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know some people here shit on him, but Jordan B Peterson is a fucking legend when it comes to helping your mindset (in my case anyway) lots to what he says lines up with the red pill, and his work/teachings I've found help put life into a more positive perspective. I'd check him out.

[–]dusara2172 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm gonna preface this by saying that I spent my entire teenage life as a very (physically) attractive guy that somehow managed to utterly alienate any girl that came within 6 feet of me. I know what it's like to simultaneously have gay guys hit on me, straight guys say they wish they looked like me, and straight girls give me constant IOIs until I opened my mouth.

First things first - you need to learn to be happy without pussy. Right now, you are self-evidentaly one giant ball of insecurity and misery, and I guarantee you that everyone can see it in your eyes and your body language. Read up on Stoicism (start with Meditations, it's a short, easy to read book with infinite lessons to provide), and read Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning. Between Marcus Aurelius and Viktor Frankl's hundred pages of wisdom, you'll have basically everything you need to know to develop the habits to fix your insecurities, although getting some therapy for your dysmorphia is likely going to be very important. Recognize that finding something to live for is more important than pleasure. Recognize that most peoples' opinions are worthless, and learn to value the opinions of those you respect. Learn how to live well.

Now that that's out of the way, the next question becomes - how Charismatic and charming are you? The strong, silent type is a trope for a reason, and it works excellently for those that can pull it off. Do you know how to pull it off? When people talk to you, do you give them your absolute, undivided attention and make them feel like the smartest person in the world? Can you say a single sentence and make it contain more meaning than most can in ten minutes of talking? Do you come across as sincere and genuine to people, or do you feel fake?

All of these questions are critically important, because it doesn't matter how sexy you are physically if you're repulsive at the level of Charisma. Speaking from personal experience, there's no point in looks-maxing if you don't have the personality to match. There is a reason that TRP isn't just a sub for lifting, it's a sub dedicated to teaching men how to develop healthy and charismatic personalities, which is why it strikes me as strange that you focussed so heavily on your looks in lieu of developing strong frame, a good mental point of origin, etc. Women are not visual creatures to the same degree that men are, and thus looking good is not the highest priority when it comes to getting laid.

[–]TigerTamingSword1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent post. There's a fine line between being truth to yourself while working on your charisma and communication abilities and being a fake try-hard. People can smell incongruence a mile away; they simply think you're odd. If you don't communicate much and just stand in the corner without interacting, this effect multiplies. Honestly, to me it all changed when I realized I lacked self-love, because suddenly the motivation to change in order to acquire external validation disappears. The current line of though on TRP says that you need reiterated success in order to develop self-steem. I'm not saying that this is wrong, but many easily confuse this concept with seeking reiterated success in order to be liked by others, not themselves. And rationally, why shouldn't you like and accept yourself? Because some asshole in the internet said so? If your starting point is self-hatred and self-abuse, you'll end up in a dark, lonely place and wonder how things got so fucked up, even if, externally, you've seemly achieve so much.

[–]watchguy4513 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy

3 things. 1. Start reading up on President Donald J Trump. He creates his own reality by thinking BIG. His attitude is one that will never ever give up. Thus why he is so successful despite being attacked by losers all the time. You need mental toughness 2. Read gorilla mindset by mike cernovich. 3. You need to enjoy life and be happy. Your toxic attitude and negativity is very unattractive. You need to be happy with yourself and be proud of yourself. Best way to gain pride is to do things that you fear but are good for you. Learn somwthig new

[–]Sonny_Luna2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Trumps confidence is derived from the fact that he's a narcissistic sociopath. He believes he's great because of that. That's not easily faked by people who aren't naturally narcissistic.

[–]watchguy4511 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think you are looking into him with a basic mainstream media lens.

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with what you’re saying. But look deeper.

I’m not suggesting he become President Donald J Trump. That’s absurd. But what can he learn?

Trump was greatly influenced by his pastor growing up - Dr. Norman Vincent Peale. The author of “the power of positive thinking”. He doesn’t give up. He doesn’t get discouraged. He is always working another angle.

[–]RedKepler2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

ignore his politics etc. The man regardless is what man in some shape or form should aim to be. - Hard working - Confident - Adventurous - Goofy (see the SNL sketches he's in) - Consistent views - Positive

He's President for a lot of those reasons.

He's pretty charismatic before and after he got elected. You see candidates like the Clintons etc on late night shows because they're using it as a platform to get elected- Trump did use it as a platform too, but like all the other celebs did to promote their programs, rather than a motive along the lines of leading a country. He's consistent in his behaviour, and consistent behaviour is what generates trust.

[–]Sonny_Luna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not disagreeing, either, that Trump's mentality is extremely effective.

I think you are looking into him with a basic mainstream media lens.

C'mon. That's a strange angle for you to take. He always posting crazy shit on twitter. He's not even a rational person yet nobody holds him accountable because he's a psychopath and incapable of feeling bad about himself.

I'm not even arguing that implementing certain traits of psychopaths isn't a good, effective approach. I think there's much to be gleaned from that disorder.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

  1. Start reading up on President Donald J Trump. He creates his own reality

Truer words have never been spoken in this sub.

[–]lnanek 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Have you tried visiting another country? Whenever I fly from Taiwan to Europe or America I'm amazed at how fat everyone is. Almost any girl you get in Taiwan counts as petite in comparison. Many girls hang out at the expensive hotel bars looking to land rich white guys too, so you have a novelty factor over there. Lots of girls won't want to start a family with a white guy who isn't of their culture and is tough to get their parents to approve of, but they'll shag just for the new experience.

[–]comfyroompls[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Unfortunately I do not like Asian girls, at all

[–]Naveos1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This just reeks of insecurity and desperate need for validation; relying on women to feel good, rather than creating happiness for yourself.

[–]superbat331 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you don’t have a good jaw line - maybe go clean shaven or stubble

Are you on your purpose/mission - or is your mission getting girls?

Are you a joyful person that judges events by asking yourself, “did I have a good time” hanging w friends, laughing, dancing. - I’ve seen so many weird dudes at the club who look like Chads- you can tell with their facial expression and their tensed foreheads not smiling and looking and staring at the girls - that they are here to get laid and not have fun.

Are you engaged in your life?

Do you genuinely smile and are friendly?

Are you authentic? Are you vulnerable in a way where you’re talking about something your struggling with yet are hopeful and confident and not worried about it?

Dude you’re fucking awesome for improving your self so much- I think you need to improve your mood by doing things like or taking 5htp or getting an SSRI.

If I were I would for sure not worry about steroids or dropping your BF. It’s NOT ALL ABOUT THAT: it’s probably like 20-30% and you’ve already covered your base in that. I believe it’s a mindset thing.

Again - you’re awesome man, enjoy your confidence- rock it. It’s only a matter of time

P.s. didn’t want to include this - especially since I’ve had mixed results with it- but try nofap?

[–]Ohboohoolittlegirl1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Went from fun, banter dude who can hold a convo to silent dude.. Wonders why he can't pull women anymore.

Typical story of a dude taking TRP too seriously and not adding TRP as a supplement to his strengths, but just replacing everything mindlessly. Know your strengths, add TRP principles where needed. You want to be a human being, not a robot.

[–]1TopTRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think I can help you.

I'm 6'2" 240. ~15% body fat. No drugs.

American but I've been to Germany summer of 2016 and 2017 and done well with girls while I'm there. Especially in Berlin, which sounds like it might be where you're describing.

Our dress style sounds the same/similar but I usually wear a tanktop unless I'm going to a club.


NO IOIs whatsoever, during the day or night

Men are hostile towards me

Once you become a big guy, you become less approachable and more intimidating to both men AND women.

Girls don't want to be rejected either, so even if a 9 thinks you're attractive, she's less likely to interact because she's intimidated.

I also find guys more hostile towards you when you're big. They're insecure and see you as a threat.

Ugly girls and MILFs will hit on you because you're a trophy for them. They expect to get rejected and willingly accept that. They get off on just talking to you.

She was kissing a 5 foot 6, skinnyfat, balding, 30 year old man in an oversized print T-Shirt and cargo pants.

A lot of girls are insecure. They'll date guys who are beneath them just so they are comfortable that she won't have any competition.


The point of working on yourself is so not only do you become a better person, but you have more confidence.

I can't help but think you haven't done your cycles correctly.

Before going on gear you're supposed to get blood work done and see what your test levels are, then do a proper PCT cycle afterwards, and get your bloods done again.

Messing with your hormones is serious shit. The stuff you're describing sounds like you haven't done PCT and your natural test levels are screwed up. This leads to depression among'st other thing.

[–]tonysoprano61 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Make sure you get bloodwork done after your steroid cycles, your hormones could be out of wack causing the depression

[–]californiawaves231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’re doing everything for the validation of females, dangerous game to play. When you’re on a hot streak, nothing’s better and you feel unstoppable. Cold streaks however tend to turn into Dee depression and what you are in right now.

Start doing things FOR YOU. You’ll find the rest will come in due time.

[–]DTron23321 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I was in the same boat as you, young(19) 6’3, 225 pounds and on gear as well. I looked great in every single way, and I felt like I was on top of the world.

Then I fell into a very long cycle of depressive like feelings and low self esteem, as men we all have our downfalls in life. Women don’t find you unattractive, you’re projecting your own self esteem and lack of self worth onto yourself.

You have to make a slight effort to get girls, even the most attractive men do. So start being more friendly, and stop taking life so seriously. You’re in the top 1% in terms of your looks, work on other aspects of your life as well. Build emotional stability, have a passion that always uplifts you even when you’re down.

Cold approaches can work, but they’re not needed. Get out of your comfort zone, it sounds like you’re too comfortable. I find that staying busy and not being so hard on myself keeps me going, just enjoy your life while you have it.

[–]Anabolic_Window141 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That is some damn good advice. Well spoken DTron

[–]DTron23321 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

🙏😉

[–]-ThePathIsTheGoal-2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Paradoxically, I’d say that it’s your willingness to give up so easily after having based your self worth on the validation of other people if what is leading you to not get women.

You are genuinely subcommunicating desperation and dependency on their approval. They can smell it.

There is nothing else you need to alter physically. Many men that are unattractive are able to get women due to their frame, which is: they don’t care.

So based on what you’ve said about your looks, that’s not the issue.

You need to start letting go. Stop caring. You’re grasping at something that won’t fulfill you anyway once you get it. Let go and fix yourself inside first, and the women will flow as a byproduct.

[–]MakoShark932 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yoooo my man legit went to church over this shit LMAAAOOO

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

imagine lifting for women lmao

[–]ReaperX441 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is sad now that I read it. Lol

[–]huntersam131 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Let me tell you about a good friend of mine. We will call him Pat. Pat is on the short side when it comes to men. He likes beer and has a bit of a beer belly. He started balding at a young age and keeps a shaved head but anyone can see he is bald. He has bad teeth from his days as a meth addict in his youth. All of this aside, Pat pulls women w/o any problems. Not uggos or fatties but top notch women we would all love to bed. How does Pat manage such you may ask. The answer is personality. The man is one of the wittiest people I have ever met. He is oozing with charm and charisma. On top of that, he is a natural leader. People flock to him and naturally fall in line in social situations. Moral: be like Pat. Charm her pants off.

[–]dutchgguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

this

[–]Aymane2210 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Bullshittt

[–]huntersam130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

nope

[–]capecodchips-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

What sub are we on again? This is blue pill advice

[–]huntersam130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am not saying take up all his unappealing qualities, rather work on your personality. ole cant read eh

[–]mistakesandregrets110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I had BDD once upon a time when I was really big into lifting, the whole bodybuilding community and the fakeness that goes into it was driving me a bit mad so I decided to take a break from all of that and just do cardio and light lifting. Was the healthiest thing I could of done for myself.

[–]rizzyfromthe90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

how often did you take phenibut and at what doesage?

that combined with off cycle could be fucking your mental up

[–]niceguyputin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude the sub already went over this. Mass gain after a specific ideal type is no longer attractive to women or to men lol

[–]linkofinsanity190 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

First off, you're most likely relying too much on the outcome here. You're living your life for the validation of others. Stop it. Strive to be a man you can respect first and foremost. If you don't respect yourself, nobody else will either. If you are not a man you can respect, congratulations, you now have a purpose worth working for.

Second, I don't know how old you are, but the roids was probably a bad idea to start out so early in your lifting career and at such a young age unless since you will now be dependent on them to maintain your current physique and will be forced to deal with their side effects, including the psychological ones. I suggest gradually reducing dosage each cycle and working to get off of them so you can have less variables with your mental state, since inner game is clearly a weak point for you and the roids seem to be working against you on that. Some people get more confident on steroids, you are clearly not one of them.

Third, guys uglier than you probably just have better game than you since they aren't relying on looks. As for the city, if you hate it there, move. Go where you are celebrated, not tolerated.

Fourth, it's possible that women might feel like they aren't good enough for someone like you. Women are terrified of rejection, so they might try to reject you first if she legitimately doesn't think she has a shot just to save her ego. Go for a wider variety of women and definitely start cold approaching women you find attractive. Maybe even ones you aren't so you can have some natural outcome independence.

Also, regarding clothes, don't stick to just one outfit. You're not Steve Jobs.

TL;DR You've made yourself a glass cannon and are now easily defeated by someone half your size (women). Build yourself in more aspects in life than just your looks and stop doing things for the validation of others and maybe consider getting of steroids until you have your mind right. Also, drugs probably won't help you in the long run.

[–]riggedved0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This post is surreal

[–]rockyp320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So many problems from this post you were getting results when u were 140 lbs I assume u didn’t shrink 5 inches how tf would you be too short now? Ur trying to be perfect.. approaching someone that interests you is slimy? How?? Someone has to start an interaction and by nature it’s usually the man. Maybe a lot of these girls like you but u intimidate the fuck out of them now compared to when u were skinny. Ur SMV probs seems way high to most of the girls so they won’t approach u anymore like they did when u were scrawny. I think just talking to to girls would change everything. Ur just waiting them to make a move and ur judging ur results by the validation there giving u.... what if all those woman what you on the inside but theee afraid to show it! Just talk to them. Cold approach ignore ur brain cuss I know your gonna convince urself u shouldn’t cold approach. Just do it and talk to them and then gauge there reaction

[–]Andrew543210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

100% frame opportunity

[–]Gunsgoblazing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, you're trying too hard and you're in your own way. First of all, you're 6 ft tall, that means you're 3 inches taller than the average male. Stop fretting over such shit.

You need to understand that since you're too caught up in your own head, you're probably giving off bad vibes in general. I am not in auras and all that other BS that women like to talk about, but seriously, if you aren't at peace with yourself and don't love yourself, how do you expect anyone else to love you?

You need to be easygoing and laidback. Sounds to me like you're trying to manufacture yourself into the ideal male look that you think women want. Women don't know shit about what they want. The attitude you should have is that every woman wants you. They all want your attention. Let your fun side out and leave all your niggles and worries at home. Find your personal style, your personality, your sense of humor, and work with that. That should be your starting base. Your game should augment your personality and vice versa. Nobody likes a silent type because then you're perceived as an introvert who's too shy to come out of his bubble.

Seriously, it's all in your head. You sound like you're in great shape by the looks of it. Now work on clearing up those thoughts of yours. Recognize your own worth. These women should be competing for your time, not you for theirs. I personally would never recommend steroids either and would suggest you quit the use of those immediately, but ultimately that decision lays with you.

How you feel inside will be exuded in your outward self. Remember that.

[–]masteryido0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are in an American dominant forum which doesn’t take into account European culture or their preferences and get mad when what they say to do doesn’t work?

You have been radicalised by an ideal and never took the real world into account.

[–]frankgold0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm thinking steroids might be messing with your emotions/confidence too. Also, stop needing validation from women. Live your life for yourself first.

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is just fucking sad, I’m sorry your life revolves around attracting women. I highly doubt your looks are what’s causing this, just based off what I read, this is deeper than the superficial

[–]CSThrowAway20140 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The world doesn't owe you anything. Nobody knows what you've been doing from the past few months, whether it's just sitting on a couch or improving yourself. Perhaps there is something else you need to focus on, pick up hobbies, more hobbies.

Don't stop yourself from enjoying little things in life, or even going out regularly. Monk mode is good and all but it changes a lot of people's perception that now all of a sudden they'll be someone else, doesn't work that way.

I can see you took your time to write this post, you improved your looks and body, just remember you did it all for yourself, not for any plates or the rest of the world. Be proud of what you've accomplished, and start living your life.

All in all, thank you for sharing your experience, I wish you luck and hope good things happen to you. Just keep your eyes open when they do though.

[–]umizumiz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I appreciate your gains, bro.

[–]HillarysCell-mate0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bro 6 foot 215 at 14% bf is fucking huge. You’re going after younger girls and ime they prefer the lean muscular fuck boy look over the bulked up bodybuilder. Get off the roids and drop 15lbs of muscle minimum. I imagine it would sort out your emotional problems as well

[–]WolfofAllStreetz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bro, you sound 100% Borderline Personality Disorder. (bpd)

Look it up.

My suggestion is get therapy I dont care if you look like Brad Pitt if your attitude sucks so will you.

[–]jeff_vii0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're overthinking it. You need to rebuild your confidence and relax a little. My assumption is you're projecting a vibe of insecurity, that is being picked up and is having a snowball effect on your confidence. Some things to consider.

Drop to 200, get closer to 10% bf. 215 at 6' is a tad outside the realms of mainstream attractive at your height. I'm 6'2 215. I go between 10-15% depending on time of year. Many girls find me at 220 too intimidating and that's even with a big frame that doesn't look massive on muscle side. I'm aiming to eventually get down to 200 myself.

Tailor your clothes or get some alterations, find clothes that fit and then get the waist taken in.

Are you taken an AI for the Juice? What dosages? Anything beyond a TRT is very noticeable with any form or decent genetics, + possible moon-face taking from facial aesthetics.

Find a Wolfpack that you draw energy from and improve your spirit and outlook on life.

Accept and love yourself. Work on your flaws but realise they're part of being human and don't be so self critical.

Keep busy and working on goals. An idle mind during a bad time in life is a recipe for pessimism.

[–]Opioidus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking 😂, sounds like you fell for the "just lift brah meme", expect lots of tough love and shitty advice.

Game is the most powerful tool in a man's arsenal, however its implications were too devastating for the vast absolute majority of mormal men, hence why it was called the red pill. It was hard to swallow. It was world shattering. Girls liking high status men with muscle and an attitude is not world shattering. It's not that hard to swallow, in fact every sexual loser out there already knew this. What was it about Game that made it so important and powerful then? And why aren't so many fit, tall, wealthy men are not pulling the appropriate amount and quality of puss. That's the right question for a guy in your situation.

[–]MaldororHollow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I read nothing other than your title.

Dude. You know what girls like? Tall. A pretty face. Lean muscle. Not fucking steroids.

That's not to say you shouldn't get big if that's what you want, but if you're doing it for girls, not only are you a plebeian, you're completely delusional.

[–]cluelessguitarist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus chill out, men are men by being usefull and strong not by being a perfect boydoll. Get into other hobbies or sports dont train just to lookd good, focus that energy to improve and get better at mma, tennis etc.. Girls will come out frok thw confidence of you feeling good with yourself ecause at the you will just want to improve and feel good in general, the red pill id a tool not a perfect way of life, read stoicism and leave the roids its not healthy.

[–]NastyBlueBalls0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Find a good psychiatrist depression, roids abuse, dismorphia is the biggest sign you need mental help

[–]ivyentre0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Could it be possible the juice is throwing your emotions out of sync? When that happens, your perception of the reality changes. Might need to throw out the juice.

[–]kayfab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lots of women don't like the roid look, i got lots of women 5 11 when i was around 180 pounds i went up to 220 and lots of women lost a lot of interest.

[–]capecodchips0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Are you still juicing? Steroids can significantly change your face (fat bloated look, changed the way your skin looks). Compare pictures of your face when you pulled the most vs now

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In my opinion, cold approaching is for low SMV guys that get no IOIs. Why would she want to talk to me?

There's no point talking to a random girl without getting signals from her before.

I think it's creepy, slimy & I'd feel watched when I do it with multiple girls at the same venue.

You're letting bitches do all the initiation?

[–]blacksage810 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bruh you are trying WAY TOO hard in the pursuit of getting your end wet. Focus on you... like most of the other posters are saying.

[–]somboodee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is what happens when you make chasing women the center of your life.

And every time I see an obvious steroid user I can tell he is an insecure little bitch deep inside or he wouldn’t be on roids. Makes you look like a try hard and a douche. Women sense this.

[–]Carboneraser0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You sound like you used to be a big reader of Chris from Good Looking Loser.

You also sort of remind me of him.

All the stuff you learned is true, the 100 approaches will get you laid and there's multiple ways to approach. I'd start with that.

However, you seem like a very self absorbed person and describe your self as a very intimidating figure. You want to look like you can protect a woman or rough her up, but you don't wanna look like you could accidentally crush her spine when you hug her.

I feel there is definitely a point of diminishing returns of gains. If you like to go hard and master your diet, then just stay natural and you will maintain a PERFECT ideal physique for 90% of women.

Tall roided up white guys look like Nazis. Being in Germany doesn't help. Slim down, become talkative again, make sure to always smile and appear amused, and start approaching.

There are girls out there that are into what you've got going on. There ALWAYS will be no matter what you look like. It just doesn't make sense to try and find those when you could make your self appealing to the vast majority of women instead with less effort.

[–]jbpostv0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey there man. This post really hits deep. It describes what I like to consider every self-respecting hard working man's worst fear: that he will work his ass off to become a great man objectively and for women, but whether it's a hot cheating wife or utter failure, he can never win.

I know you can't feel the emotion in these characters but I'm really sorry. In terms of improving your outcomes, I'd say there's something I didn't see any of in this post: your career and purpose.

But first, there's nothing wrong with your looks I imagine you look damn good. Currently finishing up my first pro hormone cycle at 200 lbs 6'0" and a well shaped short beard, classical good looks. I was recently talking to my dad who's a true class act, and he told me the pro hormones have changed my personality and my look. I smile way less, often mean muggin and brooding, sound less friendly and appear more intimidating. He's afraid I run the risk of eventually coming across as unapproachable. Paired with a poker face problem (male resting bitch face) that can throw people off. Sometimes I'm not in a great mood or I'm feeling stoic/aggressive and the expressionless and vaguely intimidating face throws people off. Any of this seem like you? It often comes from past trauma that's numbed the connection between one's feelings and their body/facial expressions. I don't know if you have a trauma history or one of heavy emotional suppression but if you're over doing it, it can scare away less red pilled women. In your environment and physical stature as described, I'd consider putting on a softer and more friendly tone to offset your alpha appearance. Alpha appearance is always gonna turn girls on sexually, but since masculine attributes have been under attack for apparent toxicity by feminism and fear of sexual assault, a physically imposing thoroughly masculine man can scare women too.

Second, your purpose. I didn't see anything about what you do here, your passion and life goal. I think since women have been brainwashed into thinking a man could and probably will rape them at any time, they have their guards up and eyes peeled for men who are consciously aiming to get in their pants. I've always thought the cards on the table, I'm here because you turn me on and I'm confident in gaming then bedding you approach was sexy and bold but often it can lead to a complete drag on intrigue. Women get off on not knowing how you feel about them even more than you wanting them and being pristinely confident in expressing it towards sexual ends. Its really stupid honestly. Men want what they want as soon as possible, as easily as possible and with the least drama possible. Women are the opposite. Its a shame if men today need to emotional rollercoaster, build suspense, hot and cold, consciously instigate drama such as jealousy games and dread, feign disinterest all while running well timed, well calibrated game that somehow doesn't seem intentional. But tbh, not a whole ton of guys who succeed with women have an academic understanding of game as you can see, so often its better to be confident with mediocre game that flows off the tongue because you're not "trying" to do anything than air tight game that can seem deliberate.

What does this have to do with your purpose? A man who is dedicated to non-trp, non-seduction, non-looks maxing passions and career develops considerable personal value in ways that don't depend on female approval. Its for this reason I think you should focus on your career, passions/hobbies and self-care, put minimal effort/thought into your relationships/plates and become altogether blind to rejection which can occur for thousands of reasons one isn't aware or in control of.

[–]NDMagoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Judging by your manifesto, you sound intense as fuck. Combined with the new physique you describe, you may now come off as threatening or dangerous to women. Just try to chill out a bit and focus on hobbies, building skills, and honest social interactions (with male friends or girls).

[–]clitorophagy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Steroids do not make you look and feel better

[–]Ghostilluminati0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Women can smell your insecurity. It's like natural babe repellant. Realise that you are gonna die, stop trying to impress others, shape your body for what makes you comfortable. Your post reaks of someone who clearly will never be happy or content with their looks, so dont even at this point worry about asking others what they think. That will only fuel your insecurity and confusion.

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah get rid of your mirrors.

[–]Crixusgannicus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Probably overdid your "upgrade". Women can have paranoia, hangups and issues if they consider you "out of their league" just like guys do.

Also it sounds like your mental game is whack. Women are more sensitive to vibes than visual than we are. If you're projecting bad energy, and it sounds like you are, they will be instinctively repelled.

Get your mind right first and foremost.

[–]Rifleshoot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You might look good, but if you aren’t fun, then it doesn’t matter. If you don’t like the way you look, then it’s going to show through when you approach women. You seem to lack confidence in your post, so I’m assuming that same insecurity seeps into your dating life as well. If you don’t like your body size, then cut back down to a comfortable level that you feel proud of. Be the fun guy at the party that talks to everyone. You’ll be happier for it.

[–]LordFlakkko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn and im 5.10. Holy shit OP pure suicide fuel

[–]RabbidMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry bro. But you sound like a little bitch. You're caring way too much about appearances and superficial shit. Also you sound like a hater. You're narcissistic and probably don't even know it. As in you're feeling entitled to expect these girls to want you. No that's not how it works. I'd you're gonna be a silent, wanna be hard ass's without it becoming natural. Women will smell that a mile away. You sound like you're trying way too hard. And are you engaging these females, giving them emotional highs and lows due to push/pull. If not then fuck off. This whole post was super cringe.

[–]GisforJumping0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're obsessing over your appearance and what women/others think and have no mission outside of this. What you have to offer is nothing outside of this. Meditate to learn to clear your mind, don't do drugs except for fun. Get a mission (expert at guitar/mma/woodcarving ), whatever you actually like. Rest assured that the pussy WILL come. Every time you feel bitter, take a breath and do a quick mental recalibration (meditation will help with this). The mental schema (body dysmorphoa, being not good enough, etc.) You have gets reflected into the world, especially women who can sense it off your facial muscles. Good luck mate. Ask yourself what you REALLY want in life if money was no issue (besides pussy), and make a plan to get it. That's now your mission. Think hard and deep on this. Women get wet for a man climbing a mountain, not for a man at the bottom or the top of the mountain who can't see past her thigh gap

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Typical German. Takes things too far. Why don't you lay off the steroids dumbass.

That's why you krauts started and lost two world wars.

That apartment sounds dope though. Try enjoying yourself. Smoke some ganja and take a bike ride.

[–]Neyjuve0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Man, I can tell you right away what is your problem: the beard. It makes you scary, old and unapproachable. Trim that shit to 3 mm, let it grow for a week and repeat. Don't grow a full beard. That's gross. Most women don't like it; guys are deluded about their beards. Just use a short stubble or a heavy stubble (about ten days growth). Do that and you will see the difference. Thank me later.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

6', wearing lifts to get to 6'2- 6'3, because you've been told you are short... jesus fucking christ dude...



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