When and why did our gender become so pathetic?

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August 2, 2019
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Asking as a genuine question and not a blanket statement but what happened to men? I work with a bunch of younger guys at my new gig and I'm really getting insight of where we are as a whole that I have been away from for a while. Guys paying for naked photos of girls they will never meet, buying bath water of internet thots, obsessing and messaging women who could care less if they die tomorrow day in and day out, liking photos and social validating, this internet stuff is a trip. Patreons and Onlyfan subscriptions giving some e-thot 30 dollars a month for a snapchat. Then IRL guys just being pure chumps, paying for girls who go out and fuck some other guy and then they take them to lunch and try and be their best friends forever. The beta brainwashing of America is complete and honestly it's terrifying. Even after reading all of the material on here on how we got to this point I'm still left asking how is it possible...how is it possible that us, we, men....have sunk so far?


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Title When and why did our gender become so pathetic?
Author RivenHalf
Upvotes 200
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Date 02 August 2019 05:41 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]RisingUpAgain261 points262 points  (25 children) | Copy

A generation of men raised by women without strong male role models because they were either working themselves to death, drunk, or walked out.

[–]nateydanger39 points40 points  (0 children) | Copy

riding the coat tails of my man above me.

The ideal (which was always more ideal than reality) of mom at home and dad at work would persist into the 1950s. This is still a romantic standard many would like to return to, ignoring the fact that such a set-up kept dad away from his children for the bulk of the day, depriving them of his mentoring and creating a culture where his parenting role was deemed subordinate to mom’s.

But at least in that situation dad was around. The divorce rate began to climb at the turn of the century and peaked around 1980 when many states legalized no-fault divorces. And the courts, as they still do today, typically favored the mother when issuing custody rights. Whereas boys once didn’t see their fathers while they were away at work, now they only saw dad on weekends or holidays. And of course, many dads voluntarily fled from the responsibility of their children; the percentage of single parent households (84% of which are headed by single mothers) has doubled since 1970.

[–]TheStumblingWolf22 points23 points  (5 children) | Copy

I believe it was made so purposefully. Social engineering. Non-masculine men are easy to control because they're driven by emotions like women (their default setting at least).

[–]EnemyAsmodeus2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

I think it just started out with efforts to reduce the crime waves of 70s/80s. Law enforcement heavily punishing minor crimes on one side. Children books, movies, shows, and the invention of chick-flicks advocating against violence on the other. Essentially to tear down the machoness or toughness of men. But I think this just came about naturally all over the world.

When whole generations were raised alongside violence and war (aftermath of World Wars) that people just started trying to create opinions and culture that is designed to make men more feminine.

I don't think it requires any "master plan". Just a natural reaction to it. Plenty of dads were also teaching this type of betaness so it's not just moms or anything like that.

Don't try to assume there is some grand conspiracy because many of these people working towards this, are what I call "peacemongers" and "bleeding hearts" who are doing it just out of good intentions and it paves the way to hell.

Since even the 50s comic books of superman, they've been advocating situations where the hero is not "getting even" and is NOT doing "an eye for an eye" but instead is "doing what is lawful" and even forgiving the "villain in the story". It's a cultural shift that has evolved out of horrible wartimes. The anti-war 60s certainly made this much more extreme, to the point that we have people questioning whether we should ever even fight the enemies of the US or enemies of liberty.

[–]Popeman791 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm late to the party but this is such a great comment. There is no 'conspiracy' indeed. What I believe happened is that history is like a pendulum, the way Hegel describes it. It goes one way, reaches its limit / breaking point, then swings the other way, etc.

After the two World Wars, fascism, the celebration of masculinity and winners, the Wars' death toll and the idea of genocide pushed the swing in the other direction. Now everybody was being nurtured by ideas of love and tolerance, and understanding the other's point of view.

It has given us generations of caring, but weak men. It is reaching its breaking point soon I believe.

[–]EnemyAsmodeus1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Exactly. I will say though, that the 60s peace and anti-war movement may have been influenced by Russia. So there is a concerted effort by Russia (including communist USSR & maoist China in the past) of creating weak men in the West. They have an investment in that.

However, again, I think this is just mainly pushed by the fact that people have been taught for too long to be kind and nice as the "only virtue".

As in, we are told as kids by some parents, that being nice is the main thing you should aim for. Further than just "respecting others or peers for their respectable positions", they have been teaching us to "respect people simply for existing..." This is a reaction to machoness culture. An antithesis of Western hollywood movies and the machoness of the 80s and 1950s.

Is it also influenced by women, absolutely, as women are much more agreeable and much less violent than men. Again, not for a nefarious reason but because women are not men.

[–]Popeman791 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes I think so too. It will be interesting to see how far the backlash will go in the upcoming decades. I'm leaning towards a multiplication of Blizerian types, everywhere.

[–]EnemyAsmodeus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't mind anyone who loves guns, girls, or money... But corrupt people, dishonest people, communists, fascists, Russian spies... Those I hate.

Bilzerian types indeed.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (7 children) | Copy

Makes you think, "if my father couldn't do it, how can I?".

Good question indeed.

[–]RisingUpAgain33 points34 points  (6 children) | Copy

Tell me about it, my most prominent male role model was my stepfather who my mother used financially and divorced when I was on the verge of turning 18.

Nobody gave me a model of how to be, just how not to be.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy

I never had a male role model. Or any kind of role model.

Nobody gave me a model of how to be, just how not to be.

This.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can confirm.

[–]iwviw6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Charles Barkley was my role model

[–]mm67484 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Top Golf video evidence required.

[–]Pokeylaw2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your last line literally I felt that shit

[–]send_it_for_the_boys3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I realized the how not to be when I was very young, and it got me pretty far as for masculinity goes.

[–]QuantumSpecter5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its cause boys are brought up being told its ok to me feminine before they even get to see whats great about being masculine.

[–]Monkitail6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Feminism and the following escalating men for wanting or being men. “Oh you drive a truck, you must have a small dick” bullshit. Someone posted an article on Facebook this girl wrote with the title “5 things I tried to not make guys hit on me at a club” or somethings. It had a picture of her in a skimpy little dresss looking like a whore.

I made a simple comment “did you try not dressing like a whore?”

Which to me is a legitimate method she should have tried. The number of fuckjg scathing remarks from guys telling was crazy. Women can dress however they want, which I agree with, but not it’s not ewirhout consequences. The women all called me a small dick this that and the other tiny man who is afraid of strong independent women yada yada yada

[–]LordFlakkko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The joke I is that acting like a dick in a lifted truck means you are compensating for something. Ive only heard other men say this to each other not women

[–]goldenshoelace83 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Also social programming, like the typical scene of a dude putting his nice jacket over a puddle of water so the women can step on the jacket and pass by without getting her feet wet

Those type of things that they put in movies

[–]TheStumblingWolf2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

And songs, video games - everywhere. All over we're getting our heads blasted full of the same messages. Sacrifice yourself for women and your life will be complete.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

listen to us/uk drill music, reverse the brainwash

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Also social programming, like the typical scene of a dude putting his nice jacket over a puddle of water so the women can step on the jacket and pass by without getting her feet wet

The problem isn't that those things don't work in getting girls super wet for you, but that it only works for girls that already have their Chad.

[–]DirtyBastard131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That and living in unrivaled prosperity without a great war or challenge for that generation.

[–]dirsa11220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know man. My father and grandfathers died when I was young, but I have no idea to pay any bitch. My goal is to find and parasite off some old, rich woman.

[–]David-Trace0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Perfectly said.

[–]benmarvin142 points143 points  (23 children) | Copy

Hard times create strong men,

Strong men create good times,

Good times create weak men,

Weak men create hard times.

[–]RedditArgument27 points28 points  (22 children) | Copy

Just wait until automation kills another million jobs and climate change starts making food harder to come by. Hard times are indeed coming.

[–]Timdeuces17 points18 points  (20 children) | Copy

Automation doesn't kill jobs. There are always new markets and industries waiting to pop up, and there will need to be people to fill those roles. We don't progress by holding on to past jobs. You don't see people picking cotton or filling gas these days, but there are many jobs today that didn't exist in those times.

[–]Sketti-Os15 points16 points  (15 children) | Copy

It's never happened at this scale before. Not even remotely close. Computers and machinery are evolving at such a rapid rate, both in terms of the span of abilities they can perform, as well as their proficiency at those abilities.

Truck drivers will likely be out of a job in 20 years, with self-driving technology becoming more commonplace in society.

Unless something is done soon, it's probably going to create a huge financial divide between the people who are able to actually contribute to society, and those who live off whatever scraps the government gives them.

I'm an SRE for a big name company. I automate entire teams of people away every year. I sincerely hope that they can move onto something else, but the technology to render them useless is already out there, I'm just putting it to use.

And you can't blame a business for not wanting to pay a human $50k/year to do something a computer can do in a fraction of the time for the pennies it took to keep it powered. Automation is very attractive to businesses, and it's becoming terrifyingly attainable.

[–]dadfrombrad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

We are going to domesticate ourselves so heavily that a major event will wipe most of us out do to sheer incompetence. Only the very smartest and strongest will survive.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy

You're assuming fallacy of composition. Yes automation will take over some jobs today, but new industries and sectors are always rising up, where the develop of automation hasn't reached a saturation point, thus needing more workers.

[–]Imperator_Red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Look up the horse population in 1900 vs today. The internal combustion engine took their jobs.

No, a human is not a horse. But just because automation has not led to mass unemployment in the past does not mean that it must unfold the same way again in the future.

And you should educate yourself on just how disruptive and socially horrifying industrialization was, and that didn’t even lower employment, it just shifted it.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And the automobile industry added thousands of jobs (autoworkers + dealerships + repairs) and the expense of Seabiscuit. What's your point?

[–]Ixrxxni 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

but new industries and sectors are always rising up

This is denial. There comes a point where job creation will not keep pace with the advancement of technology. Automation will absolutely created a high amount unemployable people, this is where humanity will need figure out a way to define a person's worth separate from having job.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is denial. There comes a point where job creation will not keep pace with the advancement of technology.

People have been saying this since the industrial revolution.

[–]Pokeylaw5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The difference is that there is literally technology that can drive cars with 80% accuracy, just imagine the transportation industry just getting rid off there employees. The difference between every other age of advancement/development is that that the tech was use to make jobs more efficient what we have will be used to completely eliminate jobs that will leave millions unemployed

[–]Ixrxxni 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

I work in the technology field. AI, robotics and automation are going to take everyone's jobs eventually. It's only a matter of time unless a major catastrophe wipes out a large portion of the population. This time is fundamentally different because robots and AI are going to be able to do jobs more efficiently and with less cost than any human labor.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

They may take the CURRENT batch of unskilled manual labor out of existence, but that doesn't mean that future fields will come about where the robotic technology isn't up to speed.

Props for using "this time is different."

[–]Ixrxxni 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Well when the future comes you'll see that I'm right.

[–]Timdeuces0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There will be people who are paid to maintain and upkeep the robots, and jobs that come with a lot of responsibility won't become automated quickly because companies would rather lay liability on a single person than themselves for bugs in software.

[–]ghost_atlas 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Yang Gang

[–]EnemyAsmodeus-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can we stop with slogans and memes for elections. I thought we agreed that these things just move people away from the nuance and specifics of political substance.

I'm actually quite into AI. However, why would I need to automate and robot everything when I can just hire a human which is like an automated robot? My business formulas already take in the cost of human error. Why would I invest or buy something more expensive that will come with its own sets of biases, maintenance, and problems?

[–]miser12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Horses used to have jobs, then we invented cars and practically every horse is out of a job. There’s no law of economics that guarantees humans will be more capable than technology forever.

[–]RedditArgument4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dubious, even historically. Historically we didn't artificial intelligence nor the ability to automate everything from driving a taxi to performing surgery. Let me give a few examples (this is the US alone):

Cashiers: easy to automate, when the breathing ones start demanding $15 an hour, there goes 3.4 million jobs

Data Entry: 2.8 million jobs, start automating their tasks, you can easily cut that number in half if not eliminate the need completely

Fast food: 2.7 million, same as cashiers

Truck drivers: 3.5 million, not only will automated drivers be safer, but also cheaper for companies, don't need to take breaks, etc. That 3.5 million doesn't include all of the jobs/industries that exist to support the truck drivers.

These are the easy ones that are happening right now.

The automation of factories and manufacturing devastated communities across the country and even entire cities. This is happening in a larger scale than any job extinction event we have ever seen and is absolutely going to create very hard times for the country and world as a whole. Where are these new markets and industries? What market can you create that AI can't do better?

[–]GiraffeOnWheels0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The entire idea is that we don't know what industries and jobs will come. There are tons of things happening that don't have historical precedent, welcome to the information age. Truth is we don't know if these innovations are truly the ones to break the cycle or not yet. I use to agree with you, but I'm not so sure anymore.

[–]EnemyAsmodeus-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Humans already can do things pretty well. Why would you introduce metal and robotics to something that takes care of itself?

Humans are an AI that is evolved over millions of years.

[–]iwviw1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Strong men coming. Work hard act tough no more sissy go after what they want

[–]SemperPrimus33 points34 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yap yap. You ever read classic literature? Romeo and Juliet? The sorrows of young Werther?

Beta behaviors and simps have always existed and will always continue to exist. Guys killing themselves over women, Guys dedicating their entire life to the pursuit of one unattainable woman, guys spending fortunes on women, guys being cucks. None of this stuff is new.

[–]TBtgoat5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

That does nothing to answer OP's question though. If it'd always been like this then how come the chump ass dudes nowadays are novel to society?

[–]Blazer80810 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe they've been novel to society all along, but we only notice them now because of how easy the internet makes it for us to know about them. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

[–]Olram_Sacul7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

They are not novel, that's what he's saying. The ways of showing themshelves have changed. That's it

Both of my grandfathers fought and won a war, and they were beta as fuck, one of them was the exact definition of beta bucks, making a shit load of money so his wife could live like a queen but she treated him like shit for their entire life.

I honestly don't know why u guys think that before our generation all men were alpha. I know Rollo says that all boys are born alpha but society turns them into beta. That's blankslatism bullshit. Most male animals (or mammals) are not alpha. Same happens in our species. We are animals as well.

[–]TBtgoat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Okay, that's a fair point. I've only grew up with the current generation(s) so that's my only point of reference.

Could you elaborate on how "the ways of showing themselves have changed"? I read a couple people blame dating apps. Are you referring to social media? I still can't really see how one can carry themselves as a beta, online.

[–]LordFlakkko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because internet.

[–]SittinAndWaitin65 points66 points  (11 children) | Copy

Loss of testosterone plays a role. Average levels have dropped 30% since 1980

[–]wanderer77937 points38 points  (3 children) | Copy

It would take a whole book to catalogue all of the factors and explain them, but it's pretty familiar to most here. Family court, media, schools, laws, technology, all of it is working in the same direction.

[–]cobravision2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is the comment I was hoping to see. Its a myriad of factors that are aimed at neutering males. Its a literal war on masculinity. A war on the strong, independent, virile aspects of society.

I was thinking the other day about a decade ago when the real far right conspiracy types would preach about a "gay agenda". I remember thinking to myself, hmm I see gays but cant really identify any agenda being carried out. But now.. youre equated with the most evil people to have ever lived if you dont want to surgically convert your toddler, or fuck a tranny. And the rise of the shaming and moralizing, is tactical. You can be sure of that. Theyre teaching this shit in schools across the world now.

[–]wanderer7791 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's weird cause I see it online but not in my day to day. But yeah I remember when this all started a dr. at johns hopkins said transgenderism was a mental illness.

Just looked it up, his name is Dr. Paul R. McHugh. He made his statements, then some other doctors published an op-ed disagreeing with him.

"suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people"

"studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”

As a layman it seems to me there's a lot of contradictions. Our gender identity and sexual orientation is fluid. If so, then can a gay person be converted?

If I feel that I am really a woman, I can get on hormones to become more womanly. What if I feel I'm supposed to be a more manly man? Can I get on hormones for that? As far as I know the answer is no, unless your testosterone falls below a normal level.

The wild part of it for me is that there is all this disagreement about what is going on with these people who want to transition, and yet we're allowing these surgeries which are permanent. They're kids and kids say crazy stuff about themselves. My toddler went through a period where she pretended she was a dog, I just told her that was silly and eventually she stopped.

What will happen in the future if a child says he is a dog, and the technology exists to create some sort of dog-human hybrid? Will a dr. do a study showing that the brains of kids who want to be dogs are showing this or that in an MRI, so it has to be biological?

[–]Pidjesus13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

Thats a gargantuan drop in the space for 40 years, how much worse is it going to get?

[–]1TyroneTheDriver12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

It is a pendulum. It will get very bad. Bad times will hit and men will adjust to the new environment. This will create strong men.

These strong men will fix the situation, and the pendulum will swing again. Times get easy. Men get soft, soft men create hard times

It’s a cycle

[–]11-Eleven-110 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So you're saying the men that are weak now will have to become strong eventually? I always assumed the next generation would become the strong ones.

[–]TheStoicTao0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The weak men unable to adapt to harder times will die out, leaving us with the strongest. Survival of the fittest.

[–]BurnieSlander4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

That doesn’t mean all men’s levels have dropped. It just means there are more ladyboys out there with 80% less testosterone than the average man

[–]WizardSenpai0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

obesity

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

testosterone is not important, androgen receptors are. research it.

[–]iCeeYouP58 points59 points  (25 children) | Copy

Creation of social media/dating apps coupled with the sexual “revolution” of women. The rich got richer, the slayers slaying the absolute most in history, and the desperate got even more desperate. A lot of old heads refuse to realize this is the case because back in their day even their ugly ass could get some kind of pussy. As of today, this generation of men face a lot of problems that trace back to what I said before; the creation of social media/ dating apps. (Especially in the West)

[–]dumstick9 points10 points  (23 children) | Copy

Societal problems are on the way down. Violence and inequality is the lowest in years in the majority of the western world at least.

[–]Thorondor_Rising20 points21 points  (9 children) | Copy

"Inequality" as a thing worth eliminating, is pure faggotry. Equality doesn't exist in the natural world, and crying about inequality instead of just accepting that REALITY IS NOT EQUAL, is the epitome of Beta-cuck faggotry and is largely responsible for the flagrant degeneracy rampant in the western world today. Ignore your professor and spit that faggot shit out, immediately. There's nothing equal amongst lions and prey. Take note of anyone spouting this equality-faggot bullshit, and trample over them on your way up.

These are the same faggots that will cry about how it's not "Fair" that you're fucking their unicorn, but who's fucking, and who's crying about unrealized "fairness" which flat-out doesn't exist in the natural world?

[–]xdppthrowaccx1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is a stupid fallacious reductionist argument. Equality can and does exist. For example we are all equal under the law, and just because someone feels "more alpha" doesn't mean he gets to kill a bunch of people.

Society, and by extension our principles and values, is what separates us from the beasts. If you want to be a dumb savage you can eject from society and go live in the jungle with your shirt off, but aside from that we have rules and we have principles that are worth protecting.

Equality is one of those principles, and it is not bad. It has equal value to concepts such as freedom and liberty. Life is better today than at any point in history, because we have societies that uphold these concepts. If you were born before "the western world of today" your life was most likely shit. You were literally starving, sick, you had no toilet paper, you showered once a month, you were poor, if you a had job it probably involved 14 hours of labor, and you lived in a shit hut in a place with no real rule of law.

That was 99% of humanity for 99% of history. If you were born then would probably cut your hand off if it meant you could trade to "modern western society", you corny naive nerd. Then again this is exactly the kind of overcompensating reductionism you would expect from someone with a neckbeardy name like "Thorondor_Rising", and also the same lack of balance. Only someone spoiled as hell would say the kind of things you do.

[–]Thorondor_Rising1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Did that hurt your faggot feelings? Faggot!

The question was "When and Why did our gender become so pathetic". I answered the question with men's tendency to put IDEALISM ahead of REALISM; attempting to project what "SHOULD" and reinforce it stubbornly over what "IS" (Idealized fantasy).

Foremost, I believe I said that "equality" doesn't exist in the natural world, so rebuttling with "equality under the law" is irrelevant. The western world's legal system is an abstract conceptualization (which btw isn't equivelent with all of humanity). It doesn't exist in the natural world. It's not an example of "equality existing in nature".

Moreover, it's ironic how despite being a total DEARing faggot, you proceed to provide even more CURRENT DAY EXAMPLES of inequality in the world to demonstrate how equality is good. You're literally proving my point, retard.

[–]xdppthrowaccx0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No one "proved your point", retard, because you don't have one. It was a stupid fallacious reductionist argument (basically the musings of a spoiled middle class manchild who doesn't know how good we have it now), and I logically deconstructed it to demonstrate why it is fallacious.

[–]Thorondor_Rising0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Deconstructionism: A method of analysis developed by Jacques Derrida, a known faggot who spent his dying years lobbying the french parliament for the decriminalization of pedophilia in France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

So, you used the pathology of an argumentative FAGGOT PEDO to dismiss reality in lieu of your idealized fantasy of reality. You should find better Idols....Checkmate, Faggot.

BTW: "You were literally starving, sick, you had no toilet paper, you showered once a month, you were poor, if you a had job it probably involved 14 hours of labor, and you lived in a shit hut in a place with no real rule of law." This still exists in the western world. Los Angeles, a bastion shithole of liberal "equality", has over 100,000 homeless people free to shoot up dope and shit in the streets right next to the wealthiest people in the country. The fucked up part is despite having the absolute freedom to completely choose a different life, they choose to remain a societal shitstain, so there's your "equality" in action. Fuck off troll.

[–]dumstick1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Even in a hunter-prey situation the livestock of both groups is kept in a fine balance. If one group dies the other starves and if the other group dies(?) its bountiful hunting grounds will quickly send it back to a higher population status. Theres is only bounded inequality within nature and the most inequal societal arrangements is the one we humans have. I'm not saying our inequality in most western countries is unfair but reasonable to suggest inequality should be bounded so some standard within reason.

In fact if you chilled out a bit more I think you would find theres a balance to most things in life like this one.

[–]Thorondor_Rising10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Foremost, your analogy is horrible, there's no "Fine balance" between predator and prey. Nature violently corrects major population volatility, but there's absolutely nothing dictating a "fair share" of the spoils of the hunt between individual lions, nor does the volatility of the species population follow some sort of invisible hand. Individual predators, and predatorial species for that matter, get disproportionate distributions of the available prey all the time, and this occurs due to skill, as well as chance just because one predatorial species increases its market share of the prey, doesn't mean nature is going to starve them; they very well could out-compete competing predatorial species; even to the point of extinction, is that "fair" to the now-extinct "inferior" predator? Who cares, they're extinct; that's what IS.

Furthermore, Note your use of the word "should". This is blue-pill faggotry. Reality IS what it IS, who gives a flying fuck about what "SHOULD" be?

Women "should" love men like men love women.

Women "should" appreciate the efforts and sacrifices a man undertakes to provide for them.

Children "should" listen to their elders so that those with learned experience can bestow lessons from the past to make their life easier to achieve success with.

"Should" in one hand, and shit in the other, which one fills up quicker, faggot?

Don't fucking replay to me with some "Acktchually" dumb shit. State your case without DEERing with idealized "shoulds". Inequality is reality, son. Welcome to Planet Earth.

[–]dumstick2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

What the fuck do you mean livestock populations are just dropping and popping like the stock market on a bad day? Also how are you so stupid that you would use the term 'correct' to describe the manner of which the movements of livestock populations make throughout time when trying to disprove their usual stability.

Also fuck you I should say that countries should try to limit inequality. You see most western countries with low inequality have better stats on development, education and lifespan. The US is basically a third world country when measured on this. It's really sad to see because this means that most Americans don't have the social mobility of an equal society where a poor man's child can go to university nust the same as everyone else.... it also means that if that kid had been born in a proper country they probably could have made a lot more money (and they do lol) and that's why we tax em a bit higher than we should. No taxes no infrastructure no jobs..... all the societal problems of poverty all over again.

But sure you shouldn't want these things because somehow that's a bad word and it will turn you into a bitch boi pussy for the rest of your life

[–]Thorondor_Rising3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Uhh they are. Last time i checked, the apex predator on this planet is exponentially increasing in number and outcompeting every other predator on the planet to the point of extinction. Not only is there vast inequlity between this predatorial species and all of the other predatorial species, theres also vast inequality within the species, regardless of what should or shouldnt be.

Is that "fair"? Is nature restoring fairness to the natural world like some sort of force for kharmic equilibrium? Is "equilibrium" "equality" even if it were?

Should sould should should should. People should...countries should.... thats a lot of shoulding, but at the end of the day what is is, regardless of all the shoulding you "woulsh" it wouldn't be.

[–]Timdeuces6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, nature has a delicate balance, and 'equality' as an ideal is killing our balance. Trying to make things equal according to one's subjective opinion of how things ought to be results in neutering the excellent in favor of the mediocre. In practice this often results in taking people's freedom and property. Equality before the law should be the only enforced equality.

[–]iCeeYouP14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yet male suicide is at its highest since WW2. Regardless, you actually think “inequality” is disappearing?? For who???

[–]back_into_the_pile10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

I believe he means in a global sense. Inequality has been steadily dropping BETWEEN countries for decades now. Inequality WITHIN countries (especially developed western ones) has been widening.

[–]iCeeYouP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh

[–]dumstick3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The gap between median household income and real GDP in most western countries in has changed by around 1% over the last 40 years. The major outlier here is America with a crazy percentage I cant recall.

[–]wanderer7794 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

[–]dumstick0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

[–]wanderer7790 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I'm no expert on this, but to me the notable thing is that the figure is positive. Which on its face would suggest that inequality was getting worse for all countries over the time period.

[–]dumstick0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

The discrepancy is around 1% over a span of 40 years. That means that the distribution of wealth on average has been 99% efficient at upholding its former standards over a 40 year period. However it isn't known whether the natural level of inequality lies to the left or the right of the current point. Theres even a country that managed to have a negative difference while most just stayed around 0. This development in inequality isn't something to be alarmed about. Unless you're American ofcourse.

[–]wanderer7790 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Small numbers in CAGR eventually make a big difference. If I could beat the index by 1 point a year for 40 years, I'd be too rich to care about this.

Things definitely seem to be better in europe. Maybe I'll move there if we get the borderless world some are asking for.

[–]dumstick0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No it's one point over 40 years averaged over each country

[–]wanderer7790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not sure which data you're talking about. I was talking about figure 2 you mentioned which is comparing growth rates of GDP to that of median income.

[–]BuzzLightGear321 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

How about the problem of marriage being a shit deal? Traditional.families built this country, now many men dont even want kids.

[–]dumstick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Baby steps...

[–]MeansToABenz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But the standard of living today is still exponentially higher than it has ever been even for those “unfortunate” westerners. This is a fact that u/dumstick forgot to mention and is why his argument was/is not completely valid. All points made by u/throndor_rising were spot on, he is clearly the apex predator in this discussion.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

  • Constant anti-male propaganda in TV, movies, and the MSM.
  • Biased legal and court system. Acting masculine can actually put you in legal trouble.
  • Plastics, pesticides, and hormones in our food consistently lower everyone's T-Count.

Did I miss anything?

[–]moltenw0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Plastics, pesticides, and hormones in our food consistently lower everyone's T-Count.

Is there even a way to go out of your way to avoid this in a reasonable way? Obviously I'm not gonna act like this is the end all be all solution to mine or anyone's problems, but I'm interested in knowing if there's some things you yourself do to combat this and if there's something I could incorporate in my daily life as well. For example, let's say drinking water from glass bottles (although even then, if the water originally came in plastic, maybe there's no point...).

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah.

Buy organic produce, free-range meat, and don't use plastic cups, plates, water bottles, or tupperware. That should go a long way.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's the toxic culture. You're starting down a rabbit hole with this one.

[–]Warren_Bateman13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

It’s always been easier to be weak than to be strong. The difference now is that you can be weak and still survive whereas in the past it was likely a death sentence. (Same rationale why I think the offspring of the wealthy are usually screwed up).

Take average beta Joe. He doesn’t have to train physically and can still obtain food and shelter. In fact, being docile will probably help him land a middle management job at sales force a.k.a guaranteed middle class for life, which a lot of people settle for. He doesn’t have to find a mate if he can successfully replace her with porn or pay to drink a girl’s bath water (the fact that we have an incel movement at all is proof that we don’t really need love, we can get by on the semblance of it).

Being strong is risky. Yes, you can achieve more, but you can also fail big time by taking risks. In clown world you have the default option of playing by the rules and settling, which more men are taking.

[–]whuttupfoo4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s always been easier to be weak than to be strong. The difference now is that you can be weak and still survive whereas in the past it was likely a death sentence

Death got replaced by depression and sex dolls.

[–]Aymane2210 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Agreed 100%. Can you elaborate on the being strong is “risky” statement. Such as more men challenging you, shut tests from women. People “resenting you” for being on a grind to be a strong ass man?

[–]Distractingyou1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pregnancy risk, social stigma, days where your t is low and you feel like a pussy and you dont want to approach woman, goverment involvement, your own feelings, the life of chad should be a movie not the bazillion beta bily movies out there

[–]Warren_Bateman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A key component to being a strong man is risk-taking (e.g. asking for a raise, escalating with women, leaving comfort to chase success). You can mitigate risk by doing things intelligently, but the only way to do these things intelligently is to begin my doing them poorly. That’s why I think a lot of people prefer comfort; there’s a very real barrier to entry.

What you’re describing is the crabs-in-a-bucket mentality which is people (usually those close in your life) trying to get in the way of your self improvement. They can do this for a number of reasons: 1) your improvement is a reminder that they’re not (and the converse which is you being a weak-willed chump gives them camaraderie), 2) they believe you’re pretending to be what you’re not, 3) maybe they never liked you in the first place. These are just a couple examples, but you should look at this phenomena as a good thing. It’s a sign your literally moving past a point in your life when you were weak.

[–]Nergaal14 points15 points  (11 children) | Copy

50% of men who ever lived did not leave an offspring. These 50% are the ones paying for bath water.

[–]whuttupfoo5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

These 50% are the ones paying for bath water.

I laughed until I realized this statement is actually true.

[–]go_fuq_yourself 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy

Good riddance to those genes

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Hypergamy truly is Darwinism at its finest.

[–]Nergaal0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Hypergamy is what drove human evolution beyond natural selection. Variations between groups today are probably direct result of different level of hypergamy applied throughout generations throughout different civilizations.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Hypergamy IS natural selection.

[–]Nergaal0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It is technically artificial selection, just not at an industrial scale (i.e. eugenics). Natural selection works a bit slower.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's nothing "artificial" about women wanting to pro-create with the most desirable guy possible.

[–]Nergaal1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am not disagreeing with you

[–]SnowMonkeyCracker 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Hypergamy is Sexual Selection

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Same thing

[–]Thinkingard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it's not like chads are impregnating tons of bitches tho

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (16 children) | Copy

Low testosterone! Low testosterone and low testosterone!

I'm a completely changed man since I'm on TRT. All the manly things that TRP is trying to teach men come naturally to me now.

The answer is and will always be, low testosterone.

[–]ZeppKfw5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Did you notice more muscle aswell?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes but I'd also say I have great genetics. My low T came from my father damaging my head until my production went down.

[–]Final_Pantasy7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

You only get more muscle if you actually work out to some degree. Nevertheless, I've put on a lot more muscle once I hopped on TRT. More gains in the 9 months I've been on than the 2 years before where I was very consistent and pushing myself even harder. My levels were in the lower end of normal range for men my age when I started. Now they are slightly above normal range for a college athlete.

Makes me incredibly hungry though. I've really gotta force myself not to eat total shit, moreso than before where I was fine just eating soylent for all of my meals for months at a time because I was too lazy to cook and too depressed to leave the house to get food.

[–]ZeppKfw-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You sure about that soy stuff man?

[–]AceMav210 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

How old are you?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

  1. Started TRT 3 years ago.

[–]AceMav210 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What was your testosterone level before like 600ng/dl

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What? Nope it was like 150ish.

Edit: My dad rekt my head and it fucked my T production.

When I was adjusting dose I got to 600s at one point and it only felt okay. 800s felt quite good. 1000s felt amazing. I chose to stay amazing on 1000s lol.

[–]AceMav210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh shit that is low

[–]ParmeetSidhu 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

At what age did u start TRT

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

23

[–]JeffPrince0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

This is dumb. What makes you assume every man has 150 ng levels of testosterone like you did? Most men still have healthy levels of testosterone. The problem is societal and structural.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I never said that? Do you know to read? Besides I said my low T came from issues with violent father, ofc I know not everyone had same damage from beating as I did.

What I do know is men testosterone has dropped quite a lot in the last 30-40 years. Were talking about 30%

Today young men have around 600 T levels on average, while men in their 40s and 50s had same levels on average 30-40 years ago.

Even some old ass coaches spoke about young men today having much harder time to put up muscles than young men in their times. Testosterone in men has declined heavily.

[–]JeffPrince0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah I can read just fine

The answer is and will always be, low testosterone.

There’s a huge difference between someone having 150 t levels vs 600. You’re still a normal healthy man at 600 and your problems are mental.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just 10 years ago men could've get on TRT if they had levels under 500.

The reference was 500-1500.

30-40 years ago men around their 45-55 had levels around 550-650.

That says a lot. Young men should have much higher than that.

[–]Aymane22123 points24 points  (5 children) | Copy

Dating apps fucked the game Up

[–]whuttupfoo7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

In ways. I feel like it made it easier to bag women though. Almost no men are approaching women in real life now. It’s like an orchard full of ripe fruit ready to be picked. Tell a story of you meeting a girl by saying hi, and they will call you brave.

[–]Eatslikeshit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Barnes and Noble has been my stomping ground for years now. Cold approaching is pretty easy once you're over the shy nervous bull-shit.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

SM is more to blame than dating apps. Any time a beta orbiter gives a girl a "like" or "comment," he automatically assumes he just increased his chances of fucking her, when she has no such intention, which leads him to think "I gotta give her more likes" in a never-ending cycle of thirst for validation.

[–]xdppthrowaccx0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

SM is more to blame than dating apps.

Nope. Dating apps are probably worse. At no point in history could a woman be hit on by every man in 50 mile radius. The typical average woman on Tinder auto-matches on every single right swipe. The typical woman on Bumble has 1000+ likes queued at any given time. Let that sink in.

This screws their perception of reality and makes the average woman uninterested in men that she would normally fuck in more natural times.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But how different is that from girls with 1000+ beta orbiters following on Instagram, that give her hundreds of likes for the most mundane posts? It's the same behavioral mechanism.

[–]MCFiletMignon9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

As Mystery said: Our fathers have failed us.

After WW2 there was peace. The men at the time failed to pass on manly values and whatever you call them.

Few generations of that, and you get soyboys.

And soyboys get replaced by those that have no regard for soy.

Might also read 'the coddling of the american mind'.

[–]wanderer7791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hard to pass on any values at all when you're not even there. A lot of this is on the lawyers.

[–]piguy314157 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

They poisoned the water supply, food supply and environment with xenoestrogens feminizing men. Failed to filter out birth control hormones from treated sewage. Systematically removed all positive portrayals of real masculinity from media. Then they altered the law to systematically disempower men in favor of women. Then the culture shifted and it allowed women to destroy a man's life with a single false accusation of sexual assault. There's more but that should get you started.

[–]PrayShes185 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

amoungst a field of sheep, why care if you are a lion?

[–]red_matrix4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Testosterone levels have been dropping since WW2, men born today have less than their grandfathers do. Men are biologically changing, sperm counts are also down. The causes of these are still up for debate.

[–]MaldororHollow3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao thanks for reminding me most guys are that pathetic. It’s like, you know, men are allowed to have standards and some self-respect too.

[–]Terlancster2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mainstream conditioning of being the standard nice guy doing everything to please the girl no spine

[–]NeedRealityShock2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Internet addiction+porn IMO

[–]Alcatraz-123 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's not just in america dude.. it's everywhere..

And like a previous comment said, it's due to the lack of male role models, honestly, if not for the internet ( ams's videos at first ) and a rough breakup, I would've never started fixing myself

[–]Spicy-Legato2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

When Patrice O'Neal died. :(

[–]alpha_bravado9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

It started when women got rights. The more rights they got, the more pathetic we became...

The decrease in testosterone due to modern life and pollutants didnt help either...

[–]YouNeverKnowAnyone1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The sexual revolution

[–]pebblefromwell1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because strong men with a strong nuclear family with good extended family ties is not dependent on the government. This is why feminism became so popular about 40 to 50 years ago. It was also with plenty of help from several gov agency. Not to mention on top of this the break up of the minority household in the inner-city. This started about the same time. Thomas Sowell has done many talks on this subject. 30 years +/- it moved into the school system. The school system became more and more feminized. Sadly we also see the dumbing-down of students. ( dumbing-down of america is a book the deals with this). You can also find several videos on YouTube were early feminist talk about working for government agencies including the cia.

[–]WTFhlostonParadise1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cultural shift. You no longer have to be strong to make money. Betas now have good paying jobs plus they worship you and approve of everything you do. Most women don’t want anything else.

[–]Sendmeloveletters1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sex not gender.

[–]Thinkingard1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

lower testosterone. addiction to easy dopamine hits. had access to smartphones when they hit puberty. maybe they are so thirsty they just want attention from girls, not even sex. weak male family figures. decades of propaganda coming to fruition.

[–]celmeme1 point2 points  (64 children) | Copy

Started with the rise of Christianity, imo. But a strong argument can be made for 1920 being the begining of the end.

From a RP perspective it doesn't really matter. We deal with the world as it is, not how we would like it to be.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev10 points11 points  (12 children) | Copy

It started with the rise of faggot, Western Christianity. The Catholic Church has a bunch of pedophiles in it, and the mainline protestant church in America has embraced every SJW fad imaginable. They clearly hate straight white men now, and they wonder why nobody goes to our church is anymore. That’s because black folks and Hispanic folks have their own churches, and so the pick up driving, union dues paying family man leaves the faggot church, and then they drive across town over to the evangelical church, and they take the wife and kids with them.

[–]chewylift19 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy

Bro,

As a black man. I’m going to say America hates ALL STRAIGHT MEN. That are masculine.

I’ve had women telling me they brother is transsexual and if I come over they house I need to be able to accept that.

Multiple women.

Women asking me if I’m bi sexual cause I take care of my looks, saying “ it’s okay if your bisexual!”

Basically shit testing.

I EVEN HAD A GIRL TELL ME, I shouldn’t have a problem dating a transwomen.

Anyways this whole black/ white / yellow . Male shit needs to stop.

America and the world hates Straight men of any race. They’re literally pushing this gay fucking beta cuck transsexual shit down your mouth. At my university there’s a sign that says it okay to be a “ black tran” another one that says

“Some people are Trans deal with it “

Sorry for formatting

I was rage typing haha.

We all in this together brother

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

To be clear, I wasn't hating on blacks or other POC. Bear in mind that 10:00 on Sunday is the most segregated hour in the country, and my experience is with white churches. Also it is with the UCC, which tends to be northern and white. Blacks and Hispanics tend to have their own churches, which, AFAIK, may be less cucked then the UCC.

No disrespect intended.

Also, it's totes PC to hate on white men, now, and has been for some time. But you do have a point about hating masculine men. Black guys I know who work in offices say that they have to make sure they don't laugh too loud, etc., because "you can't 'scare' the white girls." That's true for us, too, but we are more familiar to them.

There's a pretty strong argument that white racism is driven by white women, because their status is inextricably linked to the status of white men in society, and it's not like they are going to get shit done themselves; as I say from time to time, if all men disappeared tomorrow, civilization would last until the first oil change (although the power grid would shut down before that.)

Think about the times you've been on mixed teams of men. Race drops away pretty quickly (if not immediately) and it becomes about who has what skills that can help the team.

[–]chewylift0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Much love brother. I agree, in a group of men, racism is put aside at least until the work is done.

Now I’m a group of betas & women, racism and judging people based on stupid things such skin color is very prevalent. It’s insane. Hence why they never get anything done, look at any gay pride rally Or slut walk , or something similar I never seen any business men there, just a bunch of losers who look like they finally went outside of their mom basement for the first time.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Shit. That sounds bad. Do you plan on getting out of there at some point?

[–]chewylift0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Once I’m financially stable enough I’m leaving America and never looking back.

[–]Distractingyou0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thank god i live in a conservative country today i discovered a girl was a dumb sjw it was amazing how everyone told her if they could they could punch a faggot they would and we would not tolerate this bullshit

[–]chewylift2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol I told a girl I wouldn’t date a transsexual women and she literally looked at me like I told her I worship Hitler or someshit.

Once I got enough money saved im leaving America hopefully by 30.

[–]IceBear---69 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

This is why I stay home and read the Bible. I'd love to be part of a community but every single place I've visited has been cucked on some level. Russian Orthodox has been the only place that was remotely tolerable.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Eastern Orthodox folks tend to be more hardliners, but I have some issues with Abrahamic religions of any type.

[–]ZeppKfw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When I moved to America it's like every church is literally a cult. It's not even about religion anymore.

[–]wanderer7790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't go to church. Do any of them ever say anything about how all these women breaking up their families? I never heard them say a peep about it.

My impression of the church has been that they're too scared to say anything of substance. They talk and talk but never address anything. Very easy to lose interest in them. The book always has value though.

[–]hazelstein1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They hate all MEN. and Masculinity.

[–]PimPedOutGeese8 points9 points  (26 children) | Copy

Started with the rise of Christianity

Curious how you came to this conclusion. I don't see the connection between religion and men not being men.

[–]celmeme1 point2 points  (25 children) | Copy

Christianity is the biggest proponent of slave morality in the world, or at least in the west. Slave morality run amok is what has led to modern PC culture, funny enough, and "modern" cuck Christianity.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

Tolerance is not a Christian virtue and many people have forgotten that. It's been corrupted by embracing only the kind and loving parts and neglecting the strict parts. Think of that stereotype of a nun that could and would break her foot off in your ass for being left handed.

[–]celmeme0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

And yet the Pope is an utter cuck and every mainstream protestant chruch is just as bad. No true scotsman does not work here because Christianity has changed from what it used to be. It's a vector for the super bluepill.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well the Pope is catholic but yes you are right. Mainstream has corrupted it I'm not denying that. Your "fallacy" doesn't apply though. There's what it should be and what it currently is.

Culture should be downstream of religion but they successfully subverted it with degeneracy and it has become influenced by culture.

[–]celmeme-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think we agree but you don't like the definitions I am using. I assume you are a Christian. I get that you don't like modern Christianity being lumped in with what you think is correct, and maybe what it used to be, but that isn't what it is now. I stand by my accusation of the no true scotsman fallacy. Just becuase you (and I would be, too) are ready to retake jerusalem at the head of a conquering crusade doen't mean that is what Christianity is anymore.

I also don't think culture and religion are at all different. In my mind religion is a facet of culture, or sometimes the other way around, but they are too deeply intertwined to be able to seperate them in any meaningful way.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well there ya go.

[–]AdeHMar1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy

The state is the biggest proponent of slave morality. If anything, chirstianity helped progress civilization.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

/u/observationalhumor is the biggest proponent of slave morality.

FTFY

[–]AdeHMar0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

Who?

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

A guy who committed multiple state and federal felony offenses because he thought it was the only way to mollify a bunch of betas feelings of irrelevancy and inadequacy.

[–]AdeHMar0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

Now I am interested... who is he? What did he do? Why do you hate him so much?

[–]Project_Zero_Betas1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

A well known political writer who gets showered with praise for saying mean things about elected officials. Long story short, crazy girl from my past wanted to get with me but was worried her beta orbiters might kill themselves because I am by no stretch of the imagination, a good looking guy. So to try and help these crabs feel better about their bucket, she contacted him, and he decided to doxxed me, hacked my devices, set up illegal cameras in my house, etc. Basically did everything in his power to cut down my tall poppy, rather than try and help raise up the betas. Or advise her "Maybe you should stop hanging out with guys who are obsessed with fucking you." Sad.

[–]AdeHMar1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Fucking what lmao, that's tragic and hilarious. I'm sorry.

[–]celmeme-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

According to you, the state is the biggest proponent of slave morality and christianity progressed civilization (the state).

Therefore, Christianity is the biggest proponent of slave morality.

I agree with you. I addressed this a bit above, I see the current political climate as stemming straight from Christian infulence and thinking, including the shreiking blue haired progressives who are all neckbeard atheists. They are still the progeny of that same school of thought for all they rail against it.

[–]whuttupfoo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What do you mean by slave morality?

[–]iCeeYouP1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

If that were the case your grandfathers would’ve been pathetic as well because Christianity was in place for hundreds of years and your ass probably wouldn’t have been born. Obviously this is not the cause, especially in the West. The root cause is the creation of social media and dating apps afflicting this generation of men.

[–]celmeme6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Brother, if you think things only recently took a turn for the worse, you are blind, and if you think things happen overnight, you are stupid. What allows a culture to accept things en mass like social media and dating apps? Modernity is the result of a rube goldberg machine that has been in play for centuries.

[–]Olram_Sacul0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why this is obviously not the case?

[–]AdeHMar4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Started with the rise of Christianity

C'mon man, that's the best joke I've heard in a long while! Fucking hilarious!

Oh, you were serious?

[–]NeedRealityShock1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Started with the rise of Christianity

The virgin Romans vs the chad early Christians

[–]HaroldTFinch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe the religious factions are a problem. Jesus was alpha. Solid, had the understanding of love, put up with crap and answered it well, dished it out and took it in the chin in the biggest way possible.

More recently born again and new wave Christians started party Sundays and cuck trips devoid of direction with most men taking a passive backseat ride on everything, churches running mindless feel good sessions women love to have organizing the whole thing.

You can have a cup of coffee and a little something before you walk into the psychedelic auditorium, the substance of which wears off minutes after leaving.

[–]chewylift-2 points-1 points  (17 children) | Copy

Yup Christianity set the world back thousands of years and did literally no good for the human race.

Same with every other religion as well.

And yup. Op shouldn’t even care. More betas = more pussy for me. Way I see it

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

But that's just disgusting. I'd rather have almost no pussy if I could save men kind and masculinity of this world.

Masculinity and men are much more than just a pussy. You sound like a pussy worshiper when you say that, but either way I know you're not. It just sounds so disgusting.

[–]chewylift9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy

Can’t save people who don’t want to be saved. I’ve tried.

Start playing attention next time ur around a group of guys and a decent looking female walks past, notice how all the guys will turn to look, but nobody approaches. I was hanging out w friends last week and this happened I told the one who said “damn she’s fine” why don’t you go approach her. And he turned to me angrily and said “nah I’m good, no point”

I then said okay I’ll be right back,

walked up to her, introduce myself, told her I thought she was pretty cute, and wanted to take her out sometime, here’s my number ...... put it in ur phone.

She then smiled and oh wow... how many girls numbers you got today, I said “ I don’t know to many to count” She smiles and laughs,

“But anyways gotta run, I’ll catch up with you later” - me

Boom. That easy, went back to my friends told em I gave her my number,

They looked at me in disbelief, “ what the fuck, that quick I didn’t even see you pull out ur phone . No way”

Rest of the day I was with them I could feel there whole mood towards me change, resentment in the air. Basically.

And this is just the most recent incident of this I have, plenty more.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

You're right, these idiots can't be saved. Fuck em. And sorry, I got mad. Sometimes I just feel frustrated by all of this. I don't even see the point of having kids at this point. Sooner or later my family line will become degenerate and cucked. There's no point in anything.

[–]chewylift2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

family line won’t get cucked unless you’re a cuck. Raise your kids to be alphas. Everything your father didn’t teach you, and they’ll grow up fine and do the same for their children.

But yea, fuck em.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That's not 100% sure, not even close.

If it was, there would never be this many cucks and betas at the world.

Sometimes It's impossible to teach children your own understandings.

[–]chewylift0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nah, I’m black grew up in the hood, dad was drug dealer, mom wasn’t really there for me.

But my granddad taught me everything I know. Smartest man I know.

Important line was “ I already made it to your age, you just try to make it to mine.”

At the time I didn’t understand what he meant, or even cared to know. Now I understand how deep that line is.

He told me once, never date a women who’s a single mom. At the time didn’t understand now I do

My point is, yeah they might not understand at the time, but trust me teach they some real shit and it’ll stick with them forever. Might take a few years, but it will stick.

[–]Aizenchair-sama0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There’s bigger worries for your future kids than whether they’ll be cucks or not and if you’re a good dad they shouldn’t be.

[–]whuttupfoo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A similar thing happened to me recently. I had an interaction with a girl that lasted no longer than two minutes. We exchanged names and nice to meet you’s, followed by me holding my hands out for her to grab. I then made her kiss the back of both of my palms as a little worshipping act, told her we should get brunch the next morning.

A friend was next to me and saw all this. Later in the night i texted the girl and she was down to have me at her house in the next two hours. I told the friend “I gotta go, I’m about to get some ass”. The dude threw a fucking fit, “yo that is so disrespectful. You’re so fucking rude. You are disrespectful man. You’re going to be lonely. Why do you refer to women as pieces of ass?”

It ANGERS other men to see a guy absolutely slay so easily. It infuriates them.

[–]MCFiletMignon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd rather have almost no pussy if I could save men kind and masculinity of this world.

Look at you, all virtue signaling and all.

[–]AdeHMar3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

Yup Christianity set the world back thousands of years and did literally no good for the human race.

You are fucking retarded. It's funny how someone can be THIS fucking idiotic.

Listen, I am not religious one bit, never have been, but at least do some research before spewing shit like this. My god.

[–]chewylift-4 points-3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Show me something good thing Christianity did for the human race.

And by setting the human race back, they literally fucking did moron.

The church literally killed scientists for contradicting the Bible. Called them Heretics and had them arrested for crimes against the church and “god”

Hence why Europe made very little scientific advances in the Middle Ages you dumbfuck,

Plenty of wars murdering millions of humans were started because of Christianity. During these wars the Christians would invade city’s and kill and rape innocent people in the name of god.

Also known fact that Christianity played a part in the fall of Rome and other civilizations in history.

Nevertheless the Bible and all other religions are used as a brainwashing tool for the weak minded to keep the masses in check, I’m sorry that you love a fairytale so much.

[–]NeedRealityShock2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

wars murdering millions of humans were started because of Christianity

Yeah, and because of communism, yoloism, the sinking of the Maine and Saddam's WMDs

Also known fact that Christianity played a part in the fall of Rome and other civilizations in history.

Rome just got what was coming to them

Show me something good thing Christianity did for the human race.

There have been like thousands of missions bringing in free food, education, medicines etc to the poorest communities in Earth, but I know you don't care.

Even today, Catholic congregations and schools in my country are under heavy (HEAVY) fire by the left for being the only ones to question this "globohomo" culture of today.

[–]chewylift-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Fun fact, mr history faggot. The wars started by America, have all be in god name. So good try with that. “ one nation under god”

Giving away free food my ass.

All food and water should be free literally grows on this earth for FREE.

You’re really loving a fairytale bud. Sorry but if ur Jesus isn’t real, he perhaps lived 2019 years ago. BUT He wasn’t a god. Just some random fuck who convinced wack jobs to worship him, happens present day with cults as well. But I guess you’re to brain washed by the cult to see.

[–]NeedRealityShock0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

good try with that.

Not good enough it seems.

Fun fact mr roid rage. ALL wars are started for, land, resources and control.

[–]chewylift-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol I’m actually on roids right now so that’s funny haha.

And no duh, I’m saying a REAL GOD, wouldn’t let billions of people die “for him” let kids grow up without food etc.

My point is, there could be a god sure, but it’s definitely not any man made religion.

[–]NeedRealityShock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And my point is, there's very little appreciation for what actual believing Christians do to make their environment and the world a better place, and bashing on them is only too easy because mainstream media will readily provide you with a lot of rotten apples to pick on. It's not a war you want to help them win, just saying.

[–]Atheist_Utopia-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Let the atheist utopia rise

[–]celmeme6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

lmao no, fedora tippers get the rope too.

[–]NeedRealityShock1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

We are almost there. Smell the ashes, and rejoice!

[–]Olram_Sacul1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men have been sent to die at wars forever by kings and religious leaders, under the concept of honor, patriotism or true faith. This doesn't look much better to me, but it gives me an idea of what can we do, what can we endure and what is our worth to society.

We are males, we are hardwired to fight for resources -> females. Everything else is just technology.

Edit: grammar

[–]0io-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sabotage!

[–]kayfab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I do admit its fucking insane.....

[–]astrae_research0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In my very large urban area, the people I compete with are tatted up 6'3 chads, haven't seen many chumps like the OP describes.

[–]Xemnas810 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm gonna go with single mums+Internet and social media (this benefited women more than nerds realise)+porn+xenoestrogens in most commercial food+shitty gynocentric mental healthcare

[–]Philosothink0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We as men are experiencing the biggest female shit test in the history of humankind and we are failing it miserably!! If we don’t wake up and remember that we are men!! Men that went to the fucking moon! Men that hunted mammoths with pointed sticks !! Wake up!! Get your balls back one nut at a time!!

[–]Andrea_Arlolski0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When the threat of violence and war diminished enough.

Make no mistake about it, the key social role for the human male is to fight and be better at it than the human males of other societies.

[–]JedYorks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m a Virgin at 30, I play video games.

[–]BurnieSlander0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here’s the thing: we don’t really know if we are any more pathetic than any other generation.

Media distorts our perception to the point where what we think is true is usually just the most recent thing we heard that we agree with.

Everything we know about previous generations is just stories- stories that are likely romanticized or otherwise edited versions of reality.

The 80/20 principle has probably always played out- 80% of men being total betas, 20% being alpha candidates, and only 5% of men being true alphas. So if only 5% of men are alphas don’t expect to see alpha behavior everywhere you go.

[–]dirsa11220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It has always been like that, it was just unseen more or less.

[–]MeansToABenz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s the current sjw movement fucking with things. Just a shiton of unimportant people who are pissed that they are losers and do not have the tenacity to fix said issue.

[–]Ohboohoolittlegirl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A generation raised by women and media. Unfortunately the media has had a horrible beta-male grlififying narrative over the 90s and early 2000s. Could be before as well, but I was to young for that.. We glorify the 'stick to her' and 'the good guy wins in the end' traits as a society and deplore those who do not stick to the same narrative.

[–]HOLLYWOODS_BEAST0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You should read Jordan Peterson and what he has to say about men in today’s society

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I haven't read any of his books so far. Which one would you say I should start with?

[–]HOLLYWOODS_BEAST2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

12 Rules for Life is where I got started, I also listen to some of his lectures on YouTube. Ch 11 in specific gets into how society is creating weak men who don’t take responsibility for their lives. Interesting viewpoints on how to live life

[–]bladdy1050 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Another reason I would like to add that I haven't seen mention here is war. Currently we're living throughout the pax Americana in which war is not as concurrent as it was back in the days and thus making a warrior culture obsolete. Ever since the fall of the soviet union in the 90s feminism and their irrational hatred for men began since the warrior with its masculine aggression is no longer needed to defend society. But once the world reverts back into chaos they'll be begging the warrior culture to be reinstated.

[–]MatheusKeller2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Maybe it’s related but I think it’s unlikely. When men go to war they fucking die, and the ones who don’t suffer from ptsd. For me the main reasons are all the food we ingest today decreasing our T-level and the fucking #metoo midia propaganda

[–]bladdy1050 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly bro men fucking die !! When the male population is at an absolute free fall and society suffers from male scarcity communities don't function the same due to the immense reliance there is on male servitude. Women themselves can't pick up the pace in men's absences. End of war is what shifts society into a gynocentric one since masculine aggression no longer serves a purpose they create anti male laws thus pussifying society until the cycle repeats itself.

[–]MatheusKeller1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good point

[–]Jesusfeminist-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Speak for yourself.

[–]dutchgguy-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Partly cause of masculine culture that tells them to have a lot of plates?



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