Extreme case of AMOG

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August 30, 2019
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Last week we were at a big music festival in Hungary with a couple of my good friends.

One of my buddies was gaming a Hb7-8ish chick, and what I could tell from a few feet away while waiting for drinks he was doing well, lots of kino, grinding etc. back and forth.

Now here comes the fucked up part that left even me, an observer, completely mind blown.

Out of the blue a very swole random Chad appears, goes up to my buddy, grabs his hand for a sec, places the local equivalent of 5 USD in his hands and tells him to fuck off and go buy himself a drink, turns his back on him, then begins dancing and grinding with the girl my friend was gaming. My friend didn't know what to react, he was completely stunned, and simply walked back to us without saying a word.

What could be done in a case like this to diffuse or salvage the situation? My friend's frame disappeared completely for the rest of the night, and so did mine, even though I wasn't the one that got AMOGd, I never saw anything like this before.

Logically thinking, possibly getting into a fight with a swole dangerous looking dude for over a random thot is not a good idea, but how could you walk out of a situation like this while retaining your dignity?


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Title Extreme case of AMOG
Author xdurabolin
Upvotes 201
Comments 139
Date 30 August 2019 07:48 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/251432
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[–]Redditgoodaccount217 points218 points  (31 children) | Copy

Hungary is not Monaco the guy probably had backup ready to jump on your friend in case he challenged. Also that was a move already done several times, no improvising, some do it to impress the girl some do it to get into the fight they have been waiting for the night.

Comes out your mate's reaction was fine, life goes on, we cannot always be on top of anything, sometimes in the doubt you gotta play defense. Probably your friend smelled it or just felt it in the gut.

World is full of assholes men and women, getting into a fight is serious shit.

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[–][deleted] 100 points101 points  (2 children) | Copy

Free 5 bucks because you're talkling to a random chick you don't even know? I'll take that anytime of the day. The festivals are swarmed with chicks to fuck anyway.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

lol, you have no morality to bash thots then

[–]gorillafarmer13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

P.O.P my man, id roll that fiver up and do some lines. Then find a new girl. Life goes on πŸ€™

[–]Mazohist22 points23 points  (11 children) | Copy

what if this happens and you cant back off?

if its your girlfriend or wife

[–]Eli090631 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well then you stand your ground and tell him to fuck off!.. Doubt your gal will just stand there too

[–]mrwolf300028 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

Give the 5$ to my gf and tell her to go buy me a drink.

[–]BigDickEnergy12312 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let it happen, leave her.

Find another girl who doesn't suck.

[–]rpasker1915 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

You ask Chad what kind of drink he wants, bring it to him, apologize, offer him your wallet, and wish them both a great time. Then kind of dance with yourself just off to the side, clapping and hooting for them, maybe twerking.

[–]StoneHurk[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Stand your ground true, but if your girlfriend/wife ain't doing her best to tell this guy to fuck off you should probably re-evaluate that entire LTR. The most effective mate-guarding strategy is when the girl speaks for herself and turns down the guy without you even having to step in.

Think about it like this: If you try to speak for your LTR on her behalf, the asshole is not gonna want to back down so that he doesn't look like a bitch. It's okay for him to punch you in the face over some dumbshit and no one would bat an eye. But if your girl shuts him down on her own behalf, there's really not much the guy can do in that situation except leave with his tail tucked in between his legs.

It's 2019, nobody gives a fuck if you got your head stomped into a curb trying to "protect" your girl from a stranger trying to move in on her. But your girl can literally say anything about getting harassed and this dude would be in 8 feet deep shit with 20 whiteknights and 10 cops on piling his ass.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its eastern Europe though...you can get away with doing shit to girls that would be classified as 'assault' in the US.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Keep the fiver and see what the girl does.

If she's in trouble (ie being physically forced or pushed around then step in)

[–]MrBreitling 1 points [recovered]  (12 children) | Copy

possible the girl is in on it, I've seen stranger things (I'm from eastern europe)

[–]LoveLord100054 points55 points  (6 children) | Copy

In on what – giving away 5 dollars to strangers?

[–]TFWnoLTR29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

Starting fights.

Seems unlikely though since he gave him money.

Edit: an idea came to mind. The guy and girl might have known each other. Like maybe the girl is just a slut who flirts with other guys to get the big dude's attention, hoping he fights whomever she is dancing with. But big dude gets it and has found a way to just ask dudes to fuck off without starting a fight.

[–]LoveLord10001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She's in on giving away 5 dollars and starting fights which didn't even happen because he got given 5 dollars to go away?

[–]MrBreitling 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

are you this naive? you can't work it out?

[–]LoveLord1000-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nope, what exactly was the girl on that they would profit from by giving away 5 dollars?

[–]red_matrix10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

How could she be β€œin” on it, to start a fight?

[–]HoedownInBrownTown 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I don't remember that storyline in Stranger Things πŸ€”

[–]Redditgoodaccount5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

South Italy bro, can relate, I've been slapped in the face for 50 cents at 9 years, or even for nothing, just out of boredom.

[–]rpasker192 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not from Hungary or Monaco but curious about the cultural observation you're making. What do you mean "Hungary is not Monaco"?

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Monaco is France and "civilized" (ie the cops come). In Hungary the cops would probably watch the fight and bet on the winner. lol

[–]rpasker190 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha thanks for clarifying

[–]virusofthemind246 points247 points  (22 children) | Copy

Ask the dude for another $5 to set the frame that you think $10 is a good deal and the interaction is purely financial.

Then tell the girl that she's worth $20 under normal circumstances but this guy is the greatest dancer you have ever seen in your life and for her to "watch his awesome moves".

This will make the guy really self conscious especially if you all just stop and watch him.

[–]showerdudes9185 points186 points  (12 children) | Copy

This is the kind of thing you can come up with hours after it happened, not in the heat of the moment

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

to be honest this is always true to some extent. agreed. some of us pretend we have the exact line but come on you have five seconds to come up with something if that.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten22 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy

You'd be surprised. Where do you think stand up comedians get their crowd work skills from?

[–]FilthyStylish24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s not the same. Standup comedians can literally racially abuse a group of the audience who paid money to see the show and still nothing will happen. Not quite the same when you are in a dangerous situation where you will beat or get beaten up.

You can easily come up with witty responses and roast your little brother because you know that there won’t be consequences. But you won’t be able to do the same with a random muscular dude who is attacking you unless you are used to it.

[–]showerdudes99 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sure, its a skill to come up with instant roasts, which can be practiced. Most people here lack it though

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, exactly. That's why they're here. To learn.

[–]showerdudes91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah with most people i include ECs as well as i think this is such a rare/hard skill to master that a large majority of people arent super good at it

[–]ogkushinjapan3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Especially when we aren’t sober or even high like the average festival goer

[–]virusofthemind1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's a strategy based on simple principles. The strategy deals with the problem of the other guy's frame superseding the ops and stealing the girl.

You hear a lot about "keeping frame" on TRP but when dealing with an AMOG, a lot of that involves disrupting their frame from the outset of the interaction.

The frame in the op's post is: An AMOG came and stole a girl from him so he lost his frame.

There are three strategies to deal with this.

1/ The Reframe.

2/ The Deframe.

3/ The Preframe.

When the guy comes over in the first place he's deframing the op but he's tied to a principle called frame protocol. The protocol is: He comes over, out alphas the op and the op leaves.

That's how thing work (for AMOGs).

The ops strategy is now to reframe back by asking for more money, as if it's a financial transaction taking place and nothing to do with him being being beta. This disrupts the AMOGs frame and puts it in flux.

He then preframes the AMOG/girl interaction by presupposing in the girl's mind that the AMOG is an awesome dancer (another reason the op is letting the girl go) which will create expectations in her mind which he will find it difficult to live up to making him self conscious and dance awkwardly.

To deframe If you all get your phones out to video at the same time and perhaps mimic some of his moves as if he's a inspiration but then let them slowly die off awkwardly as if "he's not so good after all" this will add the finishing touch.

If the AMOG has been a total twat in how he came over then you can add a finishing touch.

After you have walked away, and if the AMOG is still dancing with the girl, look for the meanest fucker in the room and stand near him for a few minutes. While you're stood there try to get the girls attention by waving or smiling till she looks over. Once she looks over then say "Hey buddy, you see that girl dancing over there trying to get away from that guy, do you know her?" He will look to see who you mean and hopefully the girl will again look over.

When he says "no" reply "Well she can't keep her eyes of you, looks like you've pulled!"

[–]showerdudes93 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

The interaction is not that simple in reality, only in your fantasy scenario will it go that way. The most probable outcome when dealing with a guy who actually has the balls to come and do something like that in the first place (plus he was juicy/roider/buff) is

Op asks for more money -> AMOG turns around again and give an extremely intimidating stare close to OPs face "Didn't you fucking hear what I said, fuck off" and tension is now that amog is extremely ready to fight, and there's no way you'll keep your frame there unless you know you can kick his ass, only in a fantasy scenario will you smile and be cool as a cucumber knowing you're just seconds away/one word away from losing your front teeth.

Your flaw in your scenario is that you really, really underestimate an AMOGs frame, thinking you can throw him off guard that easily when it's a guy who actually has the balls to do something like this in the first place, to another guy. It was an extremely aggressive AMOG showing he wouldnt hesitate for a single second to beat the shit out of OP.

The only way OP keeps frame is if he has 10+ years in martial arts and *know* without a single hesitation that he would easily swoop the floor with AMOG. That whole interaction was deeply, and ONLY rooted in who could kill the other person, who would win in a fight to the death (even if it wouldnt be that extreme, it's something deeply rooted in us biologically) and OP subconciously knew he would lose. No "funny" or "smartass" comebacks saves OPs frame in this case. It's just how it is and he'll have to accept it. Some fights you simply lose and aren't worth even to try to win. Just get better, get stronger, understand why you lost and move on.

[–]virusofthemind0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I was calibrating on the fact that the AMOG actually shoved money in the the op's hand. A really aggressive guy wouldn't do that, they would have just pushed the op out of the way.

The flaw in your premise is assuming that every guy who AMOGs you is a hard as nail badass who may kill you, when that's a fantasy scenario and black and white thinking.

If you back down to every AMOG situation you encounter that's going to get you nowhere, so by all means calibrate but don't just accept defeat everytime it happens.

I've met some off the scale AMOG psychos in my time but every situation is different you just have to play them by ear. If you're very risk averse then back down and game another girl.

As an anecdote. I once saw an AMOG in a club steal this skinny guys girl right in front of him, it was proper embarrassing.

About 2 hours later there's police all over the place and the club shuts early. Turns out the skinny dude had gone home, came back and syringed the AMOG with weed killer, dude nearly died and was left with major nerve damage to his leg.

Just goes to show: You can never tell.

[–]showerdudes92 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know that money move was a humiliation move towards OP right? That's exactly what a really aggressive guy with balls and strong frame would do, just to further humiliate and establish more dominance. Nowhere did i say you should back down from every AMOG, while you on the other hand seem to think that this AMOG was something OP could get away from or keep frame from, when the odds are clearly the opposite based on OPs story. This was not a skinny guy, this was a guy who could kill OP. You need to stop taking it literally, it doesn't mean he would kill OP, it means he could. Why do you think you get so confident when you have years of martial arts under your belt? It is because when you walk in to a room, you subconciously *know* you could kill 95+% of the men in that room, in a one on one combat. This subconcious knowledge gives you an enormous boost of frame and confidence that can not be put in words.

This is a waste of time regardless because nothing I say will convince you of your scenario-flaws and vice versa, and I hope you recognize this as well.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The flaw in your premise is assuming that every guy who AMOGs you is a hard as nail badass who may kill you

Do you wanna risk it? Especially in Eastern Europe where people don't give a fuck and neither do the cops?

I know I'd take the L and find another girl.

[–]ImNotSue42 points43 points  (0 children) | Copy

This seems right by TRP. Reverse the pressure so it shows that you aren't phased and makes him feel like he's under scrutiny. And either way you walk out with a few bucks. Making the timing work would be difficult. He probably thought it over in his head as he walked up, you have only the moment to react.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then tell the girl that she's worth $20

Or tell him you don't have chane for the $5.

[–]kellykebab8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

If the guy has enough confidence to swagger up and literally steal this girl away I don't think he's going to give a fuck about getting called a great dancer. If anything, he might start really putting the moves on the girl and then OP has just paid an extra $5 to cuck himself even further.

This is one of those plans that is entirely dependent on every subsequent action to follow a very specific narrative. That shit does not work in the real world.

OP should have clocked the guy. Not to win back the girl, just to win back his dignity. Fuck that other guy.

[–]Alt_Mayday16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then tell the girl that she's worth $20 under normal circumstances

I like this part

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

that guy has confidence. he will ignore the rebuttal and actually begin dancing well.

but I like your idea about asking for more. something even to the tune of "you think this girl is only worth five dollars? this ain't Walmart."

also the bigger issue here is that the guy physically handled the friend. The response doesn't happen as a verbal come back, should've happened before that as soon as a strange dude grabbed his hand. physical is a whole other level.

[–]Truedemocracy57 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think what people are forgetting is that this guy picked on his friend for a reason. Going into it he knew he physically dominated him

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

but I like your idea about asking for more.

He'll just ignore and continue dancing with the girl or tell you to fuck off lol.

[–]bakamoney2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Genius lol.

Take your time doing it too

[–]rpasker19-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks, man. This is the best response in the thread. Whether or not it would be guaranteed to work doesn't even matter, as nothing would be guaranteed, but this seems to embody the correct principles most likely to flip the dynamic back around.

Can you explain the principle behind how you responded to the situation to come up with this AMOG busting response? This particular response may never be applicable again, but the thought process definitely would be.

[–]2ComplexProjection91 points92 points  (4 children) | Copy

The size of the balls of this guy must be crazy. And the girl danced with him, without opposition? That branch swinging happening in front of you. Take that as a learning opportunity.

[–]Yggdrasil9312 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I mean depending on the type of festival she may have been drunk and/or high enough that she literally didn’t even notice.

[–]4matting11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

The "very swole" Chad is probably on the juice, so the size of his balls probably aren't that impressive.

[–]spicy_fries4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. How the fuck are you gonna out-frame a sociopath who can bench press you?

AMOG is thing... it could happen to you. No need to get your face destroyed when you could just move on to another girl.

[–]mismm 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

The only correct move in this situation is to address the girl, not the guy.

''Hey let's go grab a drink''. If she stays that's her choice.

[–]PM__ME__STEAM_CODES6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I think that's the right move. If she stays with you there's nothing he can do, she made her choice. If she dances with him just hard next, it's a festival, plenty of HB's around.

[–]1redhawkes51 points52 points  (6 children) | Copy

Take the bitch by the waist and say "lets go, this guy is treating us drinks", then go to the bar.

Or

Use the "It looks like your bf is the jealous type", then watch his balls shrinking.

Note: Your IDGAF attitude must be set to max.

[–]proplfax30 points31 points  (4 children) | Copy

Take the bitch by the waist and say "lets go, this guy is treating us drinks", then go to the bar.

this is the general pickup answer to this. i'm gonna guess girls get pretty turned on by being fought over so if you do this smoothly, it'll likely spike attraction hard as fuck. on the other hand, if the dude is 3x as big, cycling tren, and drunk, might get your face fucked up. no pain no gain?

[–]1redhawkes19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's why it's said to lift like your life depends on it.

OTOH, pick your battles.

[–]Genezip11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Doesn't matter how jacked or trained you are tbh. If a guy pulls a stunt like that he definitely has his goon squad on standby to immediately come over and beat your ass if you don't take a walk. Not worth the risk any day of the week, especially at a Hungarian music festival lol.

[–]unn4med0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

. Not quite the same when you are in a dangerous situation where you will beat or get beaten up.

what's up with these Hungarian festivals?!

[–]Chaddeus_Rex1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

they're fun, girls are easy, drugs and fights cuz the cops don't care.

its great fun if you can come out of it alive lol

[–]Sickem_roy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That’s perfect..it’s all about the delivery

[–]samuelcollin 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

If the girl had no problem with it, hard next.

Go buy yourself a drink.

The guy had to pay to talk to a girl at a gross festival in Hungary.

[–]inittowinit77710 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

hahaha gross festival in Hungary, that’s funny af. I bet it wasn’t that bad though, plenty of hot thotties at pretty much any festival.

[–]Yggdrasil936 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah but just remember to wrap your dick gentlemen. No telling where she’s been just that day let alone the last month.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy

The response is to ignore. The mistake your friend made was in giving him the slightest attention.

don't let a strange dude grab your hand and put something in it. don't look at him while he's talking.

pull your hand away and let the five hit the floor. don't even respond or shake your head.

keep dancing with her and engage her in some chatter if you can so that he looks odd standing there wondering why you're not reacting. ignore, but be very idgaf and positive, as though nothing happened.

[–]sea_light_house-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Does that work in your country?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

what's your contention

[–]sea_light_house-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Indifference does not work with weak(Low SMV) people. Guys of higher SMV than someone has the right to kick his ass and AMOG.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

it doesnt appear to me that the AMOG was low SMV. he seems to have game too. please share, how is the amog low smv

also, i am wondering if kicking amog's ass would result in looking white knight or insecure. and also result in arrest.

[–]exscionewhuman11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Take the loss. It happens. The guy clearly understood the power dynamics at play. But what was the prize? Random thot? All you have to know is if it really mattered and you really cared about the girl (hint, she would have stopped it before you did if she was worth something). Pretend you did care though, and she was worth it, and a big monster comes along. It was your wife, the mother of your children, big cocky arrogant dude turns his back to you... well.. he just made things very easy for you, didn't he? We all know we have that savage mean unfair side. The side that just doesn't give a fuck and is going to do what it takes. He knew your friend didn't care, knew the bitch was nothing, not worth a fight. He was right. Turned his back to your friend. High five that dude ,tell him to have fun with that random girl. Or just .. realize it doesn't mean shit, and realize how much you don't care. If your friend did or you did, something would have happened

[–]NuclearMelonMan24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

Your friend might have benefited from calling out the other guy’s game. Something like:

β€œYou’re trying so hard”

β€œOh, you’re trying to pick her up? Let me take notes!”

Or he could have said something to the girl like β€œOh, is this your friend? Oh, you don’t know each other.” And then continue talking to the girl, ignoring the guy, making him the weird outcast.

EDIT: Maybe there is no winning in this situation, so you give the girl the $, and say β€œMaybe you can pay him to go away” and then leave. You come off as higher value this way.

[–]Alt_Mayday31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

...and get jumped on by his group of drunk friends

[–]Sickem_roy16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy

I would’ve used the five to buy him a cosmopolitan for his bitchy behavior

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I like this but he will have gamed the girl in the 10 minutes it takes to get back

[–]Truedemocracy55 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

And an easy counter would be him just handing the drink to the girl

[–]PM__ME__STEAM_CODES5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You'd be their fucking waiter.

[–]LOLUSTUPID_OKAY 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Lol the girl would take the drink and continue being with swole Chad.

[–]Truedemocracy50 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In OPs defense there are few moves that get you out of that scenario with a W. A key is not being an easy target

When the alpha in this situation made that move he knew before it ever happened that he would come out on top. He picked his opponent and picked him wisely. Thinks a 6’ guy who lifts will do that move on another dude of equal size? No chance.

Sometimes you will lose almost no matter what. And just have to work on yourself and forget the bitch ever existed. There’s always going to be a guy bigger than you, makes more money than you, more connected that you, etc. the best you can do is work on yourself so that pool of men are small - but all it takes is for that better guy to go after your girl and she’s gone

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

that's what i would do. so yep, agree

[–]Fulp_Piction5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Grab the chicks hand, tell her to thank the nice man for buying you guys some drinks, exit stage left.

[–]Senior Endorsedmax_peenor5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

tells him to fuck off and go buy himself a drink, turns his back on him

Great way to get stabbed in a good portion of the world.

Go buy a drink. It's worth more than the slag he's gyrating against. I would have been grateful.

[–]tikna001 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

The question is why did it happen. Either the guy is a gangster or op is giving out weak vibes. Could be op's body language or that op is not big.

It could also be that the girl is a local slut and people have their way with her, it's common. Hence, no opposition from the girl.

In either case, stay alive, work on yourself and and lift.

[–]Senior Endorsedmax_peenor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The question is why did it happen?

He did it because he gets away with it. A lot of guys never really grow up, where I define that as understanding the consequences for your own behavior ahead of time.

[–]nobody_thinks4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

the problem was when he let this guy grab his hand. That is already submission.

You pull your hand away, say "look, I don't know you bro" to whatever line he has, don't accept the money, box him out of the conversation with your body language, ignore anything he says, look at the girl and say

"god there is a lot of drunk people at this festival"

the point is to maintain the frame that he doesn't exist / is just some random drunk fuck. If he escalates, you look at the girl and say "hey let's get out of here".

everything has to be tuned to how seriously this guy was looking for a fight. obviously i would not fight over a random thot.

generally this guys are all show.

[–]SpinPlates8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lmao this is honestly hilarious. I wonder how much money this dude wastes. Imagine giving money away like like that just to DANCE on a girl. If he was a jacked as I'm imaging he could have just cut in without the $5.

[–]TFWnoLTR9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think the $5 was his way of preventing conflict. It's so unusual to have a stranger just hand you money that it's very difficult to react, especially negatively, right off the cuff.

[–]SpinPlates10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

preventing conflict.

Maybe OP is native to Hungary but I'm a white boy from Texas. If I was there I'd just laugh and find a new girl. I'm not about to pick a fight and end up on an episode of "Locked up abroad" or get beat to death by him and his 4 friends.

Now if this happened in the USA I may be up for a fight just because of the disrespect. Even if I get my ass kicked he would think twice about acting like a douche to strangers in the future. Turning your back on someone you just disrespected isn't the smartest move.

[–]juliank472 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I bet they knew each other and had some history together, maybe an ex or some on/off relationship or some shit like that. Would make his actions easier to explain.

[–]inittowinit7771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This possibility came to my mind too. It's highly likely.

[–]RedPillAlphaBigCock3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its NEVER worth getting in a fight -anything can happen and you could be scared for life - JUST FUCKING LAUGH AND MOVE ON

[–]xdurabolin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks everyone for your replies and input, really appreciate it, never thought it would get some many replies. I hope I'll never be in a situation like this, but there were some really genious ideas in the comments to handle situations like these.

A few bullets points some were asking:

  • friends and myself are all native Hungarians, we mostly live in the eastern part of the country, the music festival took place in the western part, next to Lake Balaton if anyone's curious

  • AMOG Chad: guy was at least 195cm tall (~6 feet 4), and basically had the aesthetics close to an elite bodybuilder at that height, heavy roid usage without doubt. At some point the guy's nose must have been definitely broken, and his knuckles were busted. Somebody pointed out that guys like these are mostly all show and no go, but I think the knuckles were a dead giveaway that this guy wouldn't had think twice before breaking my friend's jaw in case he would have done some sort of comeback.

  • my friend who got AMOGd: around 183cm tall (~6 feet), not too big, but ripped, around 11% bf. RP aware although he does not read TRP or anything, things just came naturally to him more or less. He can and does pull regularly and has good game. (Well, apart from what happened.)

[–]Snowaey6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol what a faggot

[–]Thorondor_Rising3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably a jealous boyfriend.

[–]PM__ME__STEAM_CODES2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If he was her bf he wouldn't give the guy $5.

[–]volvostupidshit3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Your friend should have John Wicked the shit out of him.

[–]Hace_XVIII2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Like killing him with a fucking pencil or starting a shoot out ?

[–]mega_kook1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Two of my favorite music festival activities!

[–]bobjoe1771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

who does shit like that? wtf is wrong with people

[–]blasted_biscuits1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're at a festival than there are loads of opportunity literally everwhere. It sucks to get AMOG'd but it's not like he was a meathead looking to throw hands. Best thing to do is reframe the situation as 'I just got free money' and on to the next set. Also, this is a great lesson for the next time something like this happens.

[–]trele_morele1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It was a mistake to not engage in some light-hearted negotiation. Your buddy could have gotten more than $5 out of this. That's where the frame was lost. Imagine someone paying you to get to a girl. That is some good self amog-ing.

[–]LeEbinConchShell1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

a single bitch that you're not emotionally invested in is absolutely not worth getting this bummed about. the guy probably scoped your friend dancing with her for a little bit and concluded he could physically dominate him. the cucking doesn't piss me off as much as a random dude physically imposing his will on your friend. personally, ill fight on the those grounds alone. another man physically imposing his will on me is unacceptable to me. there's plenty of roasties in the sea.

[–]StoneHurk[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes you gotta know when to hold em and when to fold em. If this dude is a 'Swole dangerous looking Chad' as you say, then picking a fight with him over some random thot would be dumbest thing you can possibly do.

Getting embarassed from AMOG is temporary, brain injuries from picking a fight with this guy are permanent.

You have to know when to pick your battles.

You could have like 200 different witty things you planned to say in your head at the moment but it's not worth getting mauled by a gorilla. Doesn't matter how much you can hold your frame, if Chad starts swinging, your frame will shatter instantly unless you're a trained professional fighter. But professional fighters know better than to start throwing hands over some dumb shit like this.

It's like Mike Tyson said "everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face". If the Chad looks twice your size and look like he's the type to start swinging over some bullshit, there's nothing you can do except walk away.

[–]_Last_Man_Standing_2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

!remindme 28 hours

[–]_Last_Man_Standing_4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

@OP - Damn bro that's brutal... xD
Don't know what I would do in that situation...
If the chick he was pulling didn't react and went over to your friend than maybe it wasn't going as good as you think...
I'd probably walked away and tried to game another chick...
Anyway I wanna see the discussion later on...

[–]PandaLitter-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Does this work in this sub

[–]yettymonkey1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

At the end of the day this is a great learning opportunity and you are lucky that you got to watch it happen right in front of you (and not too you). I would have gone for some more cash from the Chad (as he has something to prove which that in itself can be dangerous) after getting more cash I would have chuckled slapped Chad on the shoulder and thanked him while saying to the girl that this guy is super nice and in touch with his feminine side. Wink at her and tell her to join you for some drinks after dancing with Chad.

Retains frame and gets you free drinks.

[–]Sandkasten1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see no response without risking an escalation. A loud "Now I feel like her pimp" maybe would have reframed the situation and ruin his chances with her. But at the same time trigger a possible fight and also ruin your chances with her. No need to fight every battle.

[–]mrrooftops2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

"Sorry babe, he always pays me to warm girls up. He's shy you see."

[–]okuli11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Witty lines won't work. His next words would be "get lost, little bitch" and at this point you either walk away or start throwing punches.

[–]mrrooftops0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Hey girl, he paid 10 for the last one"

[–]PandaLitter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

!remindme 28 hours

[–]Ryzasu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

!Remindme 28 hours

[–]Bedtimeshine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would have grabbed her hand and taken her to go get a drink

[–]red_matrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All I could think of was ask for money, than go buy drinks with the girl. Big, swipe guys rarely fight in public as they have nothing to prove. A lot of guys here think he was out to start a fight, I think he was just doing his standard pickup and I bet he wouldn’t know how to handle any pushback.

[–]MCFiletMignon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I guess your friend got promoted to pimp?

[–]RPthrowaway1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's probably the most extreme case I've ever seen. I don't even know what I would do. I agree with the other poster - just agree and amplify. Then cut loses and move on. If that chick didn't even notice it was a different guy dancing on her, something tells me she goes through a lot of them. So let that asshole get an STD if he wants to lol.

[–]Next_Flow10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So not a redpiller BUT there are guys who buy tickets and think "yea and I'll get to fight someone before getting kicked out!" You can respectfully say "excuse me, she's not a piece of property" return the money and try and get her to leave with you, it will be on the girl to step up and say you're worth moving with, the girl has far more power than the gymrat, but ultimately if she prefers the alpha, you aren't going to win that fight. The girl may have signaled the alpha to come over when your friend couldn't see her face.

[–]MagnumBurrito0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Drop the 5, grab the girl by the hand, and see if she'll follow you

[–]magx010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol the silliness of the human mating dance never fails to amuse.

[–]Keith_Valentine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I had a big guy say he was going to fuck my girl at the bar, started shit for no reason because he could. I sucker punched him and we got kicked out. As me and my girl were leaving, he chased us down and came charging into me. I didnt fall but he did, and as he tried to get up I kicked him right in his face HARD. So hard that afterwards my foot hurt for a week. It almost knocked his fat ass out, then my girl started punching him in the face so he was bleeding everywhere. She was a solid chick tbh, maybe not a unicorn but something close.

[–]Open_Craft0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

" how could you walk out of a situation like this while retaining your dignity? "

I'd say... Expect it. There are criminal dudes out there who would easily risk jail time for a lay, not a biggie for them. Many of them grew up in juvies and grew up basically institutionalized, in an out of jails. They have very little stopping them from breaking your jaw, face, skull, neck. Hey, more street cred for them for wasting a chump over a girl - now they are even cooler in their eyes.

In this game of tic-tac-toe, he wins. You lose. It'll sting less if you know it's coming, sometimes.

Even if you could completely wreck him, there's no point. The backseats in police car are plastic, and unpleasant to sit on, as you ride to be processed - with handcuffs on your hands, behind your back which is really uncomfortable. The jails stinks and the food there sucks. And you have to deal with more of these morons, maybe for years, which by the way will turn you into one also. And you get a criminal record that's going to fuck up your life. For what? To prove that you are a bad ass? For a chance to sleep with a girl?

[–]agjrpsl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your buddy should have told that dude to keep his lousy 5, and he should of grabbed the chic by the hand and walked away....Can't show weekness.

[–]NorsemanLewis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Should have asked for more.

But, to be serious, he did the right thing probably. I say probably because it depends on the situation. Sometimes it is smart to back off, other times it is smart to stand ground. This is a dog eat dog world in every aspect of life. This is why while on monk mode, it is extremely recommended to learn martial arts. It is good discipline, meditation like practice and extreme confidence in situations like this. My 18 year old self would have done the same. My current self, most likely not. I'd ask him for more money, and if he told me to f off, I'd step back into the set and continue having fun. If he raises hands, and things get violent, I would defend myself. And no, I am not delusional, I am aware that you can never know and can get your ass absolutely kicked. But like I said, depending on the situation, sometimes it is better to get your ass kicked while standing your ground. This is a mentality, you can argue it is not as smart as walking away, but mentally it is a fighter mentality, and that habbit spills over to other areas of life, like work.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My question is, does that guy (Hungarian guy) got game, or he's just some confident asshole some girls like? If he got game, how'd he got on that level?

[–]cuztrp0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Strand?

[–]xdurabolin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We have a winner.

[–]JeffPrince-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

What your friend did was pathetic. It’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees. That’s why you should always carry a weapon on you. If some guy twice your size starts shit with you the law will always be on your side. People like that juice monkey Chad need to learn there are consequences to their actions

[–]Keith_Valentine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I kinda agree about dying on your feet, but using a weapon is a bad idea. Even if its self defense, you could do jail time for assault with a weapon. I had a buddy who got jumped at a bar and stabbed a guy. He got 7 years.

[–]kellykebab-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Should have clocked the guy. Not to win back the thot, but to put that asshole in his place. Yeah, maybe he gets you worse than you get him, but hopefully your buddies pile on and help out and at least you give this fuckwad pause whenever he tries to do something as brazenly rude as this again.

Honestly, I think you just have to examine your gut. And my guess is your gut says, "Fuck, I wish I pounded that guy into the ground." Well, you should have.



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