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Brutal honesty: How many men has the avg. western women slept with at age 25?

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August 30, 2019

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Title Brutal honesty: How many men has the avg. western women slept with at age 25?
Author bare_et_spoergsmaal
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Date 30 August 2019 08:27 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat153 points154 points  (3 children) | Copy

One girl I slept with went from 9 to 14 to 7 and said she was completely in love with me and I was the best boyfriend she ever had and two years after we stopped fucking she said we never dated and it was a fling to there was never anything between us and we never dated.

They change the past to fit whatever they are feeling now.

[–]okuli61 points62 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yup. I was dating one girl for 6 months, sleepovers few days a week, spent most of the time together. Then we broke up, and few weeks later we both came to some event. We were sitting at the same table and some other girl asked this girl how's her dating life lately, and she said with straight face that she didn't date anyone in the past year. Just wow.

[–]ZeppKfw15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why are you surprised? If you read the sidebar that is, it already tells you that this type of things are supposed to happen.

[–]1redhawkes6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's known as The Light Switch Effect.

[–]Bone_Coat58 points59 points  (3 children) | Copy

ask a woman, then multiply by 3 or 4

[–]izaacibanez9725 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy

I always say multiply by two or three and add seven

[–]Alt_Mayday3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

My approach is to divide by the golden ratio, then add 69 and substract (her age * 2)

[–]lukes12309 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

A girl told me 5 and I immediately assumed 15

[–]abhi_0792 points93 points  (10 children) | Copy

Met two 19 year old Californian girls in Europe while traveling. They had this strange competition going on between them to sleep with 100 men before they both turn 20. One girl was at 24 and the other at 21. To answer your question, it completely depends on the degree of cock carousel.

[–]IndiansSmellLikePoo79 points80 points  (1 child) | Copy

Whoever marries those girls will become suicidal

[–]abhi_073 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

"if" they get married

[–]lord_of_ligma13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy

Haven’t heard that one before

[–]KaiSmashSmashSawmash7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Check out this movie on Netflix nymphomaniac volume 1

[–]PimPedOutGeese74 points75 points  (9 children) | Copy

The answer is to avoid caring about it.

They will lie. Period. You will not get the truth. If you can't handle this single fact the question remains why ask?

If you simply "must know" then the problem is you.

[–]fanartaltmanfartsalt 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy

What if he's vetting for an LTR? partner count is very important, and despite what you say there are definitely methods you can use to encourage honesty and get something close to a truthful answer.

[–]PimPedOutGeese37 points38 points  (5 children) | Copy

Actions.... What she does... That determines LTR. I mean common sense. If you met a girl at a bar or club and within 10 mins shes swallowing your nut.....

You probably shouldn't LTR/wife her...

Count has nothing to do with it and it only fucks YOU over trying to figure it out.

[–]Mescalean26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. 28 and I am just figuring this out. Have taken v cards and dated whores of many kinds and qualities. A few of my ex’s now strip in vegas at decent clubs.

The one woman who has done the most for me. Like this bitch would kill for me. Is someone I knew since 7th grade. Got in trouble with her. Drug addiction with her.... ive seen her charge ex’s of mine because they wouldnt leave me alone showing up to work parking lots.

I will never know her count. I know that she thinks the number would be a turn off and honesty ag this point idgaf. The roastie shit is retarded AF and just shows how many simps larp on here. Have met whooooores with peaches and virgins with hoagies. Ive fucked moms of multiples with tight kegels than any 18 year old.

At this point in my life after finding out most pussy is just that pussy. Its the accessory to the woman. Actions like being there for you and knowing when to help and when to leave you be. Loyalty. Shit like that man. Rare in life.

I swear what my old man said becomes more true. Lucky if you can count the real people in your life on both hands...

[–]fanartaltmanfartsalt 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

It's pretty well covered in the sidebar re pair bonding that count DOES matter a huge amount - there's literal links to studies showing as much. There's also info regarding how to ascertain an approximate N count from a girl.

If you're gonna answer questions on here at least read the material.

[–]PimPedOutGeese6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Your not wrong!

..... Now good luck trying to get it out of her lol!

[–]fanartaltmanfartsalt 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

My technique is adapted from Black Philip advice and TRP stuff, as follows:

1: set context

Be a fun guy. Model that you are non judgemental. Don't openly criticize female promiscuity, shrug it off and joke. You should be doing this anyway, cos a slut who feels like you won't judge her is more fun in bed.

2: keep it up

Takes a while, and she'll test you along the way. Maintain.

3. Let it come our organically

Women love to try and pry details regarding your sexual history out of you, and will start to volunteer their own pasts a bit at a time as a part of their campaign to learn yours. Keep responding in a fun, relaxed manner.

4. The 'truth'

At some point, she'll trust you enough and be drunk enough that you'll get an 'almost' real answer from her. You should never expect to get the full truth, but if you've played your cards right you'll get a ballpark figure.

Sound tedious? It is, and this is why we focus more on tells of sluttishness (re relationship with father, social media use, attitude to tattoos/fashion, behaviour of friends etc), but for the guys who want to find LTR material this sort of process is important.

One last thing: the vast majority of women are now spoiled for anything more than pumping and dumping, so while I would really recommend that guys just embrace reality and enjoy the decline, if you DO want to try life on hard mode and do the whole marriage 2.0 thing then you should at least know exactly how badly the odds are stacked against you

[–]trpppp1234 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, this is pretty much how you find out n-count if you want to know.

Honestly though, nowadays I tend to care less. If you give up the notion of marriage/kids... it really doesn't matter. Even if you LTR a slut, have your fun and when shit starts to suck, just leave.

[–]HurricaneHugues6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

You'll never know her partner count. Only thing you can do is monitor her behavior and watch out for red flags.

[–]TreatYouLikeAQuean28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

stop prefacing every comment with Asperger's

[–]Rollo_Mayhem312 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I met a girl 27 said she's been with 100 guys... mostly drunk fucks in college etc.. so a girl can get laid any night of the week esp. In the math.

[–]FlyingSexistPig31 points32 points  (3 children) | Copy

By 25? I'd say more like 20.

[–]LiteraIIyJesus6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

And even then I feel like that lowballs it. Maybe I just know too many sluts.

[–]FlyingSexistPig2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

20 is a good median number. This is a heavily skewed right distribution though. So the mean is probably much higher.

[–]Wodensnacht1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]DesperateChemical28 points29 points  (17 children) | Copy

Avg? Maybe ten? Outliers on both ends probably would fuck it up. Ten is probably a bit low to the mean number of partners.

Why does it matter?

[–]bare_et_spoergsmaal 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy

I have this asperger person in me that hates lies. So all the women I´ve been with only had 1 or 2 boyfriends before. But I can´t get myself to believe that lie.

[–]FlyingSexistPig48 points49 points  (3 children) | Copy

I have bad news for you, liar-hater.

All women lie. They all do it all the time.

They do it about little stuff and about big stuff.

All. The. Time.

[–]Manunafraid16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

They hardly even know they are doing it a lot of the time.

[–]not_the_brightest_18 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

"The best way to keep a secret is to pretend there isnt one" -Margaret Atwood

Just tell yourself the lie a bunch of times and you'll believe it and tell others the same without skipping a beat.

[–]Internet-Troll2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

And They wonder why I am gay

[–]redpilllogin7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women don't only fuck boyfriends. You have to consider all the guys in between.

[–]trunksshortsman14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

It’s completely possible for a girl to have to boyfriends you have it completely mixed up it has to due with how many dude she has slept with

[–]Greaterbird1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That seems low

[–]thegabescat1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Can you elaborate on "why does it matter"?

To me it matters. I don't want to date someone that has had 10 dicks in her mouth, ass and/or vagina. Or more (gross!) It has to do with how she views commitment. How clean she may be physically and, more importantly, emotionally.

I can elaborate more if necessary, but I am genuinely curious as to why it would not bother you.

Thank you in advance for your time.

[–]DesperateChemical2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

My question is why the average number would matter. I can understand evaluating a specific woman by this criteria, but the average isn't all that important in my view.

[–]imtrynaclapnocap1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Better get used to it man 10 is nothing these days

[–]trpppp1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

10? lol... where do you find girls with 10? Damn near every girl I've dated has ADMITTED over 25.

[–]jarhead_am7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

entirely dependent on culture of western woman. girls from my culture try to not sleep around because if caught , nobody will ever want to marry them within our own ethnicity. and its severely looked down upon to marry outside of it. they will be exiled from their family by their parents, friends, family, neighborhood, if they are known as the girl who fucks around alot. ive seen it happen.

from my experience and best guesstimate, girls i have known have a number of about 3-6 at age 25, in my specific pocket of culture, in america. (my city has 45% residents belonging to my specific cultural background, in a city of 200,000, everyone knows eachother)

[–]imtrynaclapnocap5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Damn what culture are you from, sounds like I need one of those girls

[–]jarhead_am3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Armenian. Its hard though. 80% wont marry a non Armenian. And the ones that do, usually go for Russian or some kind of white.

If you know some Armenian, drive a nice car, are christian and dont have earrings/long hair/ weird tattoos your chances get much higher.

[–]Don_Draper277 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dozens probably. Truth is you'll NEVER know. Neva' eva'. Best you can do is screen for red flags and wear a rubber.

[–]LeEbinConchShell14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy

ive been a connoisseur of decently attractive sluts my whole life. in high school a squad of sluts we partied with had all fucked around 40 guys by that time. they were all fuckable. yep, its disgusting.

[–]unn4med0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy


[–]electricspresident5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

He's not wrong.

A close family friend and I were chatting whilst drunk at a family gathering, she was 20, starting law degree, Grade A in HS, high SMV BF with alpha attitude but respectful, all that clean good shit that parents like to hear.

She has a healthy relationship with her parents, no tattoos , no piercings, no slutty fashion style, no drugs, no weed, alcohol only on big occasions, respectful friends who party maybe 4-5 times max a year.

She revealed that all her HS friends banged at least 5 guys by end of HS. Once college started it went to about a new guy every week or a month for some. Many many many cheat on their BFs. Even ones with high SMV BFs.

We got to sharing history our "craziest" sexual experiences, and this whole time I've been coming across as ultra hedonistic, loves girls who are strong confident independent and open about sex.

Turns out this girl did a whole gangbang with about 4 guys in her last year of highschool. She had her 1st 3some at 16 ,had multiple sugar daddies as soon as she became 18. She'd fuck each one of them weekly. In total she said would average herself & her friends to about 30 guys by 23-25. Which in my books was about 50-60.

Even after 2years into TRP I was shell shocked, astonished with a side of disgust that I did my best to hide. She sensed it and trailed back.

Had to drink all the rum to rest my head that night. Its worse than we will ever know.

[–]unn4med1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not new to this world and this is still shocking to me 😳

[–]Simpsrgay7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just be safe an assume they slept with a million men.

[–]Wodensnacht5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

By the age of 25, average white western woman nowadays is probably closer to 20 than 10

[–]HurricaneHugues10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

You think this is a research center? Who tf has that data?

Young women just fuck. A lot. That's all you need to know. At any given point in space and time, always assume that whatever girl you're talking to has at least 2 fuck buddies. That way you won't get in your feelings as fast

[–]agjrpsl5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

My friend's niece easily 100+ over the last 5 years. She basically sleeps with every guy and she's only 24

[–]Polojames1238 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'd say about 7.

[–]FlyingSexistPig27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

He said at 25, not at 18.

[–]LiteraIIyJesus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

At 20 I'd say 10. At 25 I'd say at the very least 25.

[–]Vikingcel5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

All of them

[–]bare_et_spoergsmaal 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

except you

[–]Vikingcel16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy


[–]Dustin_Bromain3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great username.

[–]wkndatbernardus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is like the Tootsie Roll Pop commercial from the 70's where the owl attempts to answer the question of how many licks it takes to get to the center. "The world may never know."

[–]BeeBopJoe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If I had to guess Id say somewhere in the range of 11-15

[–]komprenu2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

FWIW, for a different perspective, google: twox_how_many_people_have_you_slept_with

Plenty of replies <10, plenty of replies >40...

Consider that when guys think about their past partners, the most promiscuous women are inevitably overrepresented. For the sake of argument, imagine a town where 80% of women have slept with 5 different guys, and 20% have slept with 50 different guys. The vast majority of hookups in this town would involve a promiscuous women even though they're a small minority (0.8 * 5 < 0.2 * 50). The same principle explains why the majority of your facebook friends have more friends than you.

[–]Awokeeleven2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most ”normal” 25 year olds probably slept with 15-30~ here

[–]Variatiion3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

No one knows,and you never will either.

[–]NumerousImprovements1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve had like three or four girls in a row before tell me 20 exactly, so if you ask, expect them to round down. Girls know that we men often care, so they round down the more emotionally invested they are in the outcome of the relationship.

I just don’t ask now. One of Tomassi’s Iron Rules is to never reveal your number and I just don’t care anymore unless I’m vetting for an LTR. Don’t ask.

Not asking is easier said than done though. If you care, that’s a problem, especially if you’re just plating the girl. Their past is theirs. If you want to fuck her now, make your decision based on shit that actually matters. If you want a LTR, then you can ask to find out, but the answer still shouldn’t upset you. It’s just more info for you to make your decision with.

[–]dynospectrum71 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If anyone is giving you an exact number, keep scrolling. Be honest with yourself. That number could be anywhere from 1 to 10 to 100. Are you only dealing with 24 year old Brittney that used to cheer in high school and go to state school? Or have you come across a Fatima that was born in the US but was locked down for the first 20 years of her life? People are different. Do you want a virgin that might be terrible at sex? Or do you want her to bust your nuts and have you feeingl like you just did 10 sets of heavy ass deadlifts? Figure out what you want and get it.

[–]Nfuckedmeup1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had this American girl as a Tinder match during my trip to Spain with my bros. First night we meet and I flirt with her and she shows IOIs but then I tell her that I have someone and that we’re looking for just people to party with and something goes off in her head. She goes to the club and I shit you not, she grinds and dances with every guy in the club including my friends.

Anyways so I plug the girl to my friend we meet her and her friend everyday from there. They have a fling during the vacation and end up fucking the last day we’re there.

I heard the text book cock carousel stuff from her, she was full of red flags. She was 18, had fucked 21 guys (14 of them being in the last 6 months) and she didn’t want anything serious. ’I want to probably settle down when I’m like 30’ she told me. And now my friend is crushing on her when she’s just playing games with him. Fucking great lol.

[–]Protocol_Apollo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody knows, girls fucking know they shouldn’t be sleeping around a lot if they want:

  • to attract men and so any potential boyfriends.
  • society’s “respect”.
  • to not be seen as a slut.

And so, they’ll lie about her count. For her, it gains her NOTHING to tell you the truth.

Worse is, if she does want to tell you the truth, women will manipulate her numbers to which for her, it’s the truth. She will genuinely believe that some of her N counts won’t count for whatever reason eg one night stand, didn’t like him that much.

Vetting through N counts is dead.

However, good news is, you can still tell who’s a slut by interacting with them long enough, girls can’t keep their mouths shut and so they’ll let out a few glimpses of how slutty they are and from there you can figure how slutty they are.

Even if you can’t, it’s very rare for a girl to be LTR material APART from being a slut.

If a girl is a slut (red flag), chances are she’ll have other red flags (for a LTR) that are very hard to hide.

[–]Hoombus 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Easily above 30+ it's what they are born to do man

I knew girls at 14 year who had over 50+ and it wasnt even a brag

It's the way life is supposed to be they are programmed to fuck.

[–]unn4med4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I knew girls at 14 year who had over 50+ and it wasnt even a brag


[–]Wodensnacht8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol no, it's the complete opposite of what they're programmed to do, that's why it's disgusting

[–]nobody_thinks3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

  1. Start with the "best case" range range [20, 50] (mean 35, standard deviation 15).

  2. Ethnicity: Multiply by (1, 1.5, 2) for (white, hispanic, black) respectively

  3. Family. Multiply by (1, 2) for (healthy, dysfunctional) family respectively.

  4. Father. Multiply by (1, 2) for (strong father, weak father).

  5. (depends if raised in big city or small town but I won't address this - assume big city)

  6. (depends if girl married young or not but I will not address this - assume stayed single)

This is pretty crude because these are not independent variables, but it probably gives pretty good estimates. Maybe good to within 50%. Again all intervals are reported as [mean - std dev, mean + std dev]

  • white girl from dysfunctional family with soy boy dad: [80-200]
  • black girl with dysfunctional family with alpha father, [80-200]
  • hispanic girl with non-dysfunctional family with alpha father: [30-75]
  • hispanic girl with non-dysfunctional family with beta billy father, [60-150]
  • white girl with non-dysfunctional family with alpha father: [20, 50]

[–]HelloBello301 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I mean, on average, if you think about it, it would be the same amount of women that the average western man has slept with at age 25... so it's a moot point. It's also irrelevant, you should always be looking for someone who is better than average.

[–]XTQxf64 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

The average number should be the same for a much older man. Also average isn’t too good for comparing. Average makes sense for describing women because AWALT, but for men, it’s a small set getting a lot and most getting none.

[–]HelloBello30-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

no i mean, think about it. These women are fucking men. On average, it would be the same. Their partners are men. Its just statistics.

[–]XTQxf64 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

They wouldn't have the same age though. Men build their count up over most of their adult life. Women it's front loaded when they're younger. So for same count, man is much older. I'm saying the statistics are that average 25 man has been with way less than the average 25 woman.

[–]HelloBello301 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

yea that makes sense actually

[–]gorillafarmer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd say 20 +

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would say 20 plus is a conservative guess. Regardless it doesn't matter. Focus on yourself as that is all that matters.

[–]Wodensnacht1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP the question to ask isn't how many guys they've fucked, but after how many guys is a girls ability to pair bond titally fucked?

I would say the number is btwn 5-10

[–]6sterile61 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmfao at people in here saying 20...

Atleast 50 and that’s been generous. No less than 50 I’d say for the average female. Maybe even 100+ For the average

No one way in hell Is it only 20 lmfao

[–]RedditRated0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Met my then girlfriend at 18 (same age); she was a Virgin before she met me. We lasted 2yrs; she’s now 21 and has fucked 5 other guys since then (from what her ‘best friend’ told me). So within 1 yr she has slept with 5 men. If she keeps that up, by the time she’s 25 she would have slept with about 20 men.

[–]SpinPlates0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The actually avg of all women would be way waaaaay lower than what most redpill guys would think because of minorities who marry and reproduce young. I think a nation wide average would be 3 or 4.

Now, if you were to limit your search results down to girls that men here would be interested in...Typical Beckys and Stacys. Girls that came from an upper middle class household, went to college, have a vibrant social media presence, nice phone, car and daddy's money, listens to the chainsmokers and goes to Europe every summer...Their average body count would probably be between 30 and 40.

[–]onepkvn20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Depends, does prostitutes count?

[–]redvelvet_oreo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If she is a HB9 I would say anywhere from 20-80. I knew a HB9 that by 24 she had slept with about 70 dudes already.

[–]zazzomicron0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Who cares, man?! I could go bag 100 fatties but I'd rather sleep with one girl that I thought was out of my league. Stop looking for shit to get in your way

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There are stats on this type of thing collected by the US government, GSS and other organizations. The National Survey of Family Growth by the CDC in particular has a lot of data online that's easily accessible.

From the CDC's National Survey of Family Growth data (PDF: Advance Data No. 362, Page 19, Table 1), here are some relevant numbers regarding men having sex with women:

For ages 20-24:

  • 9.0% - No sexual contact so far in life
  • 6.6% - Has had sex but not in the past 12 months
  • 49.3% - Had sex with exactly one woman in the past 12 months
  • 12.7% - Had sex with exactly two women in the past 12 months
  • 19.3% - Had sex with three or more women in the past 12 months
  • 3.1% - Did not report

For ages 25-29:

  • 4.7% - No sexual contact so far in life
  • 6.7% - Has had sex but not in the past 12 months
  • 67.1% - Had sex with exactly one woman in the past 12 months
  • 6.6% - Had sex with exactly two women in the past 12 months
  • 12.5% - Had sex with three or more women in the past 12 months
  • 2.4% - Did not report

The matching data for girls is in the charts at the end. You can find this document by searching Google for ad362.pdf

Their data also reflected that the median number of lifetime sexual partners for men around 25 was six. For women, it was four.

[–]thenewyorkmind0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not even the devil knows

[–]Xerexes38690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why does it even matter? Assume shes a liar. Which she is. Then proceed as it doesn't matter because it doesn't. You should only concern yourself with her behavior towards you. If she provides value, sexual as well as non sexual (satisfies emotional needs and increases smv in case you breakup and want to date someone else) there is no need to publicly judge her for her past. You should only look to extract value because she is doing the same with you. Get into a relationship with her if you want to extract even more value from her. But as soon as she stops providing value kick her to the curb. Maintain frame.

[–]Unpopular_OpinionBot-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe 2-3 on average. Of course there will be outliers in either direction.

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