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Anyone else had an LTR who progressively looked worse the longer you dated?

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September 9, 2019

I had an LTR awhile back that was objectively the prettiest girl I had ever been with. She had a beautiful light complexion (half Puerto Rican and half black) long flowing black hair that she would dye with light red highlights, and she had HUGE tits and a nice ass that jiggled when you smacked it.

She was a mess emotionally and I cheated on her (long story we lived together- never cohabitate) and we recently reconciled.

But I began to leave her because she cut her beautiful hair that took her years to grow out, dyed it blue, and gained weight. She looked like a clown and I stopped sleeping with her. I remember her crying to me about it saying that "she didn't know that it'll be this bad" when I told her that I'm not into bald headed chicks.

Anyways I still find myself looking at some of her old pics because even though she's trying to grow her hair out again she's older now (26) and doesn't have that youthful glow she used to have. Sometimes I want to fuck her but I know what I really want to do is fuck the old her.

I'm just wondering is this a common phenomenon? Most women I date flatline in appearance and then go down. I've never dated a woman that began to progressively look better - which makes me glad for fucking them in their prime.

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Title Anyone else had an LTR who progressively looked worse the longer you dated?
Author studentsensei
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Comments 101
Date 09 September 2019 09:26 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]WhatIsLogicFor500163 points164 points  (13 children) | Copy

annoying girl at my job who’s been married for like 2 years just chopped all her hair off and looks hilariously bad. i asked her “how does your husband feel about it”?

“it doesn’t matter how he feels about it because i like it and it’s my body”.


[–]wkndatbernardus87 points88 points  (1 child) | Copy

RIP her husband's dong.

[–]mrbadassmotherfucker31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

Might as well pack up his balls and leave

[–]kellykebab41 points42 points  (0 children) | Copy

Funny too, when people have absolutely terrible taste in their own appearance. It's one thing to genuinely not care about what other people think, it's another to actually prefer yourself when you look awful.

[–]Fielder5724 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

Saw a girl on my FB get married and chop her hair off literally the first day of the honeymoon. She then proceeded to gain weight at a unprecedented rate. She went from a 6 to a 2 in 4 months.


[–]Original_Dankster28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

get married... then proceeded to gain weight...

It's like the old joke - women are allergic to gold. You put a ring on their finger and they swell up.

[–]Snowaey19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

poor fucking guy..

[–]addwater11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Disgusting, the girl and the attitude.

[–]meaklax12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

What is it with women and cutting their hair fml.

[–]HitTheWall8811 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

The dreaded "dyke cut". Horrible look on any girl.

[–]meaklax7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Screams BPD

[–]ToraChan233 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let him quit his job and say "it doesn't matter how she feels about it because it is my life and I want to pursue my passion", and see what happens

[–]vodkalimesoda1150 points151 points  (12 children) | Copy

Yes. All women will ‘let go’ once comfortable. The only way to mitigate this, is to find a woman who is proud of her appearance and goes to the gym out of sheer pleasure for fitness and improving herself. Most younger women only just go to the gym to become better prospects for chads, who begin eating shit and getting fat once they feel like they’ve got their provider locked in.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

Can confirm. Every girl I've ever dated put on weight after getting comfortable with me. The only exception was an Asian girlfriend because Asians have good genes to stay slim.

Why do you think short hair is the stereotype for married women/soccer moms/older women? All women find keeping their hair long to be a chore because frankly, it's a lot of effort to maintain it. As soon as they feel like they don't need to be attractive any more then off it goes.

[–]MrAnderzon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Blew my mind with why they cut off their hair.

[–]juliank4753 points54 points  (2 children) | Copy

I would argue that although becoming comfortable is ultimately inevitable, applying the right amount of dread, staying in peak physical shape yourself and actually encouraging your LTR to go to the gym goes a long way towards keeping her attractive. At least in my experience it has. Girls crave attention, feeding it to them in the right moment is crucial to getting what you want, compliment them after a good workout, tell them they got hotter, etc.

[–]marplaneit23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, I made all of my ltrs go to the gym. You just need enough dread and hot female friends from the gym.

[–]vodkalimesoda1-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I fully agree!

[–]0ToTheLeft15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

with men is also similar, at least at the begining. I won't lie, i first went to the gym to get in shape and get laid more, but now i go for the challenge. After you start seeing progress it gets adictive, you wan't to keep pushing and pushing yourself. In the end i think it comes to one simple thing: testosterone. The more in shape you get, your testoterone levels get better, and with that comes the competitive nature that every men has in him.

[–]party_dragon10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

I hate going to the gym and always have and I think I always will. I'm also in a 5 year LTR who is still hot and still wants to fuck me and please me, so no need for me to really try hard.

I still do it (i.e. workout most days). I do it for me in 50 years. I do it for health. I do it because there are some sports I like (unfortunately I only get to do them a few times a year) and I want to be able to perform. I do it because I don't want to be another one of the old fat fuck who've given up on life. I do it because I can feel (and hear) my body getting older and weaker and more creaky. I do it to be a good influence on my kids.

Find someone with the same mindset.

[–]askmrcia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I played football and ran track all through high school and college.I can tell you back then that I absolutely hated working out and going to the gym.I just wanted to play on the field or run in meets, the weight room? Ugh

Years after college I still go to the gym despite me hating it. The hardest part is GOING to the gym, the easy part is doing the workouts once I'm there. Getting home from work, cooking dinner and putting my workout clothes on to drive to the gym is hard. But, I kept that habit ever since I graduated and it paid off. And like you, I do it because I don't want to be fat. I'm seeing many of my college teammates get dad bods and beer bellies at the ages of 28-32. That ages you fast.

Now the girl I'm seeing is similar. She's a personal trainer and there are times when she wants to go to the gym and I don't. It helps big time having someone push me like that.

[–]Fielder578 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same here, But now I’m in my 30s I go because I have realised it is the only thing keeping me alive.

My friends used to be stallions in their 20s, now they have all settled down, stopped training and they are all slowly dying, slowly getting fat, slowly getting mentally unwell and slowly getting sick. The human body is not designed to sit on a chair and eat 16 hours a day. Every day they complain about their backs aching, being tired or being unhappy. I still feel as good as I did in my 20s because I lift weights 3 times a week and walk/run at least an hour a day.

[–]Snowaey8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah bro, i've seen so many of my friends giving up going to the gym after getting into a relationship..

[–]Truedemocracy52 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are women like this that do exist. The giveaways are how they approach fitness and diet.

Do they drag themselves to the gym 2 or 3x a week enough to cancel out their wine nights and happy hours? Red flag for weight gain.

Do they take diet seriously? (Say what you want about vegans they won’t be tempted to shove Nachos into their mouth). Do they participate or enjoy things like training for marathons/half’s, morning runs, etc? Then they likely will stay trim

Show me a girl, hot or not, at 10am on a typical Saturday morning and you’ll know if she will keep her figure or get fat.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Facts dude

[–]johnnydanconia4554 points55 points  (20 children) | Copy

Oh fuck yeah. One LTR went from 135 lbs to almost 200lbs. What a fucking mistake that was

[–]proplfax6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

what did you look like at the time?

[–]johnnydanconia451 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was 5’11” 160. Skinny fat obviously.

[–]PandaLitter20 points21 points  (17 children) | Copy

Do you have pics of that BEAST?

135 is already heavy unless they're tall lmao

[–]MisterMarbles198821 points22 points  (15 children) | Copy

The average weight of an American woman is 170lbs (

I've never dated a girl who looked bad at 135lbs. In fact, almost every girl I've ever seriously dated was about 125-135lbs, ranging from as short as 5'2" to 5'9". It's a good weight for a girl.

[–]PandaLitter29 points30 points  (10 children) | Copy

Bruh idk what you're on but I'm not down for the average woman if she weighs 170.

I'm 170 and tall so on a girl that's shorter than me, that's going to be a monster

[–]unn4med10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

That girl chonki

[–]MisterMarbles198810 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

No disagreement here my man, but statistically 170lbs is the average in the US. A 135lb girl is pretty good in my opinion.

[–]Ratchets-N-Wrenches5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

Current ltr is 176, hasn't weighed less than 145 in our whole relationship, at 145 she just barely had abs with the right light, her legs and ass are what hold alot of muscle. Some chicks are just heavy af.

[–]PandaLitter20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

You like em chubby huh

[–]showerdudes910 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Obese you mean

[–]Ratchets-N-Wrenches0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not gonna lie I like a bit of meat, but at most she's a bit chubby, she's "farm girl strong" down at 145 she's not chubby, at all. Muscle isn't light,

[–]NarrowBath70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


at least that's what the chubby chasers say...

[–]McNeg1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She better be 6' 1" otherwise you are delusional

[–]BRUH_BOT_6250 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

bruh 🤣💀💀🤙💪

[–]Time_Animal_5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

You'd have to be seriously short to be a fatty at 135. 135 when they're really 150 maybe.....

[–]MisterMarbles19887 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah that's what I'm saying. Idk where these dudes are living, maybe Asia or something, but a 5'4 (average height) girl at 135 looks fine.

[–]Ratchets-N-Wrenches1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Right? Sure it's fun to bang the shit out of some chick at 100 lbs and less but I love a good ass and a good ass has WAY more heavy muscle than people seem to realize.

[–]kellykebab4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

135 is going to look thin for virtually any woman 5'6" and up. And with the right proportions and muscle tone, it's not going to look bad for most women shorter than that (until they start approaching 5' and below).

[–]Protocol_Apollo26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

This affects everyone: women, bloopies and even red pill men. People get comfortable and let themselves go.

Comfort is the enemy.

[–]mismm 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

That's why you if you are looking long term you always keep the slightly obsessed ones.

The one that even though is super slim still thinks she could lose more weight. Or the one that even though doesn't have a single wrinkle obsesses about skin care. Or the one who is a gym rat.

The careless hot chick is only hot because of youth and fast metabolism. Keeping that takes effort and most women are fucking lazy.

[–]c_h_946 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most people are fucking lazy

[–]PandaLitter29 points30 points  (3 children) | Copy

Fast metabolism is a myth

It's continuing to eat the same or worse after stopping physical activities in high school and college that do most people in

[–]unn4med9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Metabolism does slow down with age. This is not up for debate, really

[–]PandaLitter7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

It does but not to the extent it's conflated to be

[–]unn4med2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

True. Then again, depends on age. 30/40, yes. 70? Not the same game anymore

[–]reallysprint 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

That's why I thank god for my wife every day.

At the minimum, she does an hour of yoga a day.

Married 6 years, and this was from her last physical:

If you ever intend to settle down, you have to find someone who takes care of themselves. And you have to make sure you do the same.

[–]Hamlet_Prime57 points58 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmfao the only RP guy to ever fucking post something and actually provide evidence

Thank u buddy

[–]777views16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Brother do you have any advice/personal tips about being in a relationship since you've been married that long? Regarding keeping her interested in you, remaining alpha, etc.

[–]kellykebab38 points39 points  (30 children) | Copy

Everyone wants to be creative, everyone wants to believe they're the exception to the rule, but the harsh reality is that, at least for women, virtually all of them look best age 18-22 with about 24% body fat (+/-4%) and long hair. That's it. That's the magic equation that looks best for 100% of women.

A very small fraction of women still look good with certain specific short hairstyles, but that is a very small number. But none of them look better with that style than with regular old (well-maintained) past-the-shoulders hair. None. I haven't seen a single woman in my entire life who didn't look better with long hair.

Why they keep fucking around with the basics is beyond me. Women act like looking good is hard for them, but it really isn't. As look as you stick to a few simple rules, you'll be okay (assuming basic genetics and symmetry are alright).

The thing that's most funny is a lot of the time it's the women who already have a few points against them are the ones who really sabotage their looks. If they could have been a 5.5 with the ideal circumstances I mentioned above, a lot of time they fuck everything up with terrible fashion and haircuts and weight gain and become 3s and 4s. It's stupid.

[–]malemedicine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol true.

[–]J_Milton_Jr2 points3 points  (19 children) | Copy

Why they keep fucking around with the basics is beyond me. Women act like looking good is hard for them, but it really isn't. As look as you stick to a few simple rules, you'll be okay (assuming basic genetics and symmetry are alright).

Why would a woman care about attracting more men, if she can look like she wants and still find enough men? O.o

You say you do not understand why women make themselves "intentionally unattractive" ... the answer is because they can do it and still find enough men. For every man who finds short hair terrible, there are three other men waiting in line who do not care

[–]kellykebab4 points5 points  (17 children) | Copy

A girl who maxes out her looks is going to attract more men and higher quality men than a woman who trashes her looks. By far. She is also going to have a much easier time obtaining a man's commitment.

I agree that unattractive women may sabotage their looks partly because they can still attract some men. No doubt. But I think the fact that they settle for some (lower quality) men is due to neuroticism, poor self esteem, and even just poor personal taste. I didn't really mean that I don't understand it. I said "it's beyond me" more as a rhetorical exaggeration.

I still find it weird that some women do this when the ability for most of them to attract relatively higher quality men is so easy if they just in any effort at all.

[–]J_Milton_Jr3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy

I still find it weird that some women do this when the ability for most of them to attract relatively higher quality men is so easy if they just in any effort at all.

You find it weird because you want to understand a woman with your men's brain, if a man has 10 women and the option of 15 is there if he puts in extra effort, men will probably put in the extra effort, but women dont operate like that.

If a woman has a choice of 10 men that are acceptable to her and where she does not have to make an extra effort, she will not care that maybe 5 others would be available if she had long hair.

Exceptions are made only for a very small percentage of the male population. (maybe 3-5% of the male population)

[–]party_dragon2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

well the real question is, how big is the overlap between the "I keep my hair short because it's my body" and "where are all the good men" demographics..

[–]J_Milton_Jr2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the overlap is very big

[–]kellykebab1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy

No, I don't buy this. Some dudes on Reddit treat AWALT and sexual difference as if women literally have zero capacity for reason or strategic thinking, when this is demonstrably not true by observing reality. And it's not even true according to most actual Red Pill writing/thinking on this subject.

Women doing completely counter-productive and stupid things IS weird. That's my subjective personal assessment and I would think that way for the rest of my life even if it were true that they had no capacity for reason or strategic thinking. It's weird. That's my opinion.

[–]J_Milton_Jr1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy

Women doing completely counter-productive and stupid things IS weird.

yet it is not women who complain that nobody wants to sleep with them and that nobody finds them attractive

no matter what a woman looks like, she will never have a problem finding a man ... maybe not the man of her dreams, but very few people (men and women alike) get the partner of their dreams, the majority of people is satisfied with a mediocre partner ...

It is rather strange how little you are able to realize that women have different motivations for their behavior than men

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

yet it is not women who complain that nobody wants to sleep with them and that nobody finds them attractive

Not at all true. Women do complain about this. I see it on my social media feeds and encounter it in person. But what they often mean is they don't have anybody finding them attractive who they themselves find attractive. That's my point.

[–]J_Milton_Jr0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

But what they often mean is they don't have anybody finding them attractive who they themselves find attractive. That's my point.

Since she began using the app eight months ago, she claims to have met close to 50 men.

Her Tinder bio reads: ‘Hattie, 83, fascinating older beauty. Seeking a steady younger friend/lover for a shared life of adventure and passion. No pro-Trump and no players.’

The youngest man she has been with was aged 19, although she insists she believed he was older.

Hattie is currently dating Shaun, 33, making him 50 years her junior.

what people complain about on social media is not necessarily a problem for a majority of people in the real world ...a couple of women will have these problems (veeery few) , but definitely not the majority...Most women find men which they find attractive themselves without problems

[–]kellykebab-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy

Oh okay. Your single sensationalized news story, which is obviously noteworthy because it is rare, somehow "disproves" my direct observation of a wide variety of women in the real world.

I guarantee you this old bag has no ability to lock down anyone of any status whatsoever. She's just making a profile that looks both real and available and since so many dudes swipe on every single profile, the odds are that a few guys actually message her and I'm sure she reels every single guy in who contacts her because she's a lifelong slut.

Big fucking deal. Most women, contrary to popular opinion don't actually want to behave this way and don't have the "skills" to pull it off anyway.

Yeah, 3s can (every once in a great while) fuck high SMV dudes simply by creating a dating profile. They are still not going to be able to attract as many high SMV dudes as the 6s and 7s are and they sure aren't going to be able to lock them into a relationship all else being equal. Do you know what "all else being equal" means? Because that's what I'm arguing. I'm arguing about a single variable, not about every condition under the sun ever.

Obviously the chicks who "take all comers" (literally), constantly put themselves out there, and have zero standards will meet more guys out of sheer probability. I'm not arguing that attractiveness is the only factor. I'm saying all else being equal, it's always better to be more attractive than less attractive for women. And women who intentionally make themselves less attractive (a fucking old ass grandma obviously isn't making herself less attractive) are limiting their options even if they still have some options.

Just read what I'm actually writing and understand that I'm talking about a single variable in the context of other variables and not making black and white dogmatic pronouncements.

[–]J_Milton_Jr1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

I guarantee you this old bag has no ability to lock down anyone of any status whatsoever.

are we talking about women getting sexual attention or LTR's?

I'm saying all else being equal it's always better to be more attractive than less attractive for women.

its always better for all people to be attractive (pretty people get treated better and all), men and women alike, but if you look outside the window, many people are ugly as fuck and dont give a fuck about it....and the ugly, unstylishe ones still breed and still have sex...sure they arent 100% satisfied with what they get (all people would rather fuck a supermodel if they have the choice) but most people just dont want to put in that much work and, as i said, settle for less

And women who intentionally make themselves less attractive

yes, and these women know that, u think the liberal, feminist bald chick with 1000 piercings in her face cares if some conservative chad thinks she's hot, she has enough liberal artsy guys who want to bang and LTR her, also she doesnt even meet conservative chad in RL

Just read what I'm actually writing and understand that I'm talking about multiple variables and not making black and white dogmatic pronouncements.

i read what ur writing but you dont seem to understand that for bald, liberal, feminist chicks, its not important what some conservaitve chads think of do i know that? I was one of them , ive been through that phase and there where always enough men in the liberal scene there to give me attention, u really think i gave a fuck what some handsome, muscular, docotor or lawyer or how ever you define high quality males thought of me as long as the cool punk band singer with the beer belly on stage brought me backstage?

[–]onionknightofknee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

because they are trying to land the best man they can just like us. redpillwomen talks about this. they look max too.

[–]Ryzasu3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

The thing is that those women don't prioritize looking attractive to men. They want to look the way they want. Also, they're women. They will still be able to get sex relatively easy

[–]kellykebab2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

They want to look the way they want.

Yes, but why? That's the question. And like I said below, I think it's due to a combination of neuroticism, poor self-esteem, bad taste, and probably other factors as well.

The exact same woman can easily range from a 3 to a 6 (maybe higher) when you consider her hair, fashion, skin care, weight, body fat percentage, and so on.

A 6 has a chance not only at virtually every other male 6, but also at some of the male 8's and 9's. A 3 doesn't have that. She'll be lucky to rope in a few 6's and maybe tie down a 5. Speaking generally, of course. There are exceptions to every rule.

It's still weird when people act dramatically against their own self-interest. Men and women.

[–]J_Milton_Jr1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, but why?

Because having short hair, for example, are more comfortable than long hair? Because make-up is a lot of work? Because you become more comfortable with age and have other priorities? Most Humans are lazy and try to be as comfortable as possible, thats why sweatpants are a thing

[–]kellykebab-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, also those reasons.

[–]unn4med-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

Very subjective

[–]kellykebab4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't think so. A lot of guys might have a fetish for slightly plump girls or skinny hipsters or whatever, but all guys I have ever met do also like the classic hourglass figure, long-haired, toned babe. If you look at the broad male population, taste seems to converge around this type, regardless of the slightly divergent tastes of a fraction of men.

It's not that a woman can't attract any man by cutting her hair weird. Of course she probably still can. But, by and large, almost all women are going to attract the most men by sticking to the "mainstream" visual type I described. This is particularly true for women who already have average or less than average physical characteristics and yet, as I pointed out, they often are the first to screw with their appearance.

[–]unn4med0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Hahah I fully agree. I just skimmed your post and it looked like you said chubby girls are what it’s all about.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Whoa there buster. I like a cushion for the pushin' as much as the next guy but that's not what I'm selling here

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy


I ditch them if they get fat/lazy/ugly/complacent.

Why didn't you?

[–]wkndatbernardus7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women take the shape (literally) of their container. I'm wondering if you let yourself go a bit and she just followed u into full on fatbodydom.

I run into this issue a lot because I like big bombs on a chick and they tend to come with bigger frames. I've had a couple that wouldn't come around even when I got into better and better shape. Some women just don't want to challenge themselves to slim down, even if it means losing a good man.

[–]__TheDon__4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have a role to play in her becoming out of shape. You made her feel too comfortable to the point where she thinks you’ll stay forever regardless. You should’ve kept her on edge if you really wanted to be with her. Doesn’t sound like it since you cheated on her lmao. Anyway, who gives a shit. On to the next brother

[–]Sylvester_Sterone6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

She dyed her hair.

[–]lampshade28183 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Blue. WTF?

[–]Greek-God-Brody5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

You're doing something wrong.

Keep lifting and be in great physical shape yourself to set an example. Don't overtly communicate that you'd like her to be more fit or dress nicer. Instead, 'plant seeds' inside her head. Tell her how your friend's girl has been really physically active and how the sex between them is great.

If she doesn't makes efforts anymore to look good for you, she is not invested enough in you anymore.

[–]deathhandmachiavelli1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tough pill to swallow, but very true.

[–]4thAndLong1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She got too comfortable once they started living together. He probably never gave off the vibe of having abundance either. She stopped trying due to lack of competition.

[–]Truedemocracy51 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And do things together. I’ll find a 10k or mud run out a few months and say we should get a group and do it

If she’s excited or thinks that sounds fun then great, can train for it and she likes the challenge. If she says “not for me” then great, can break up with her

[–]silversum12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You need to check out married red pill, and if she doesn’t come around after instituting the concepts found there move on.

[–]Self-honest2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Literally everyone

[–]infamous32382 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This should never happen. If you properly apply dread, they will be constantly striving to improve themselves. Because if they don’t, they know you have other options, and they’re getting dumped.

[–]ElectronicStrain881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

My LTR of 16 years is holding up well, she still weighs under 115lbs. But she barely uses makeup and never does her nails or any other girly things like that. I liked that at first but now I would like to see her more feminine.

The "chopping off their hair" thing is something I don't understand either. I notice it a lot, when you go somewhere the ugliest women are typically those with short hair and way too much fat.

[–]rockyp320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Makes sense but that feels very shallow

[–]FoxMag0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Every girl I've ever dated. Women are childish and lazy and would much rather grab a slice of pizza and some alcoholic beverage of some sort than work out, eat a good diet, and be responsible for looks and health.

[–]FUCK_YEA_GLITTER0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Who wouldn't tho

[–]Jaythe4th0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I noticed that if I go to gym and take care of myself they do the same so that's that.

[–]tee00050 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As much as we can sidestep the issue there is alot to say about hormones when you first meet someone. The rush of seritonin, oxytocin and endorphins speak volume. They cause the love is blind effect and for you to say things like I love you. That's why you should never talk about your future during pillow talk after sex. You will end up saying stupid shit. After 3-6 months the hormones fade and you left with a bald chick with big feet and a shit attitude and you don't know how you ended up there. Research love hormones and figure out why men actually buy flowers and give ladies chocolate. My guess is after the hormones faded after some months you saw her in all her glory.

[–]deathhandmachiavelli0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great post, yup, this has happened to me.

I've let women get too secure while they are in a relationship with me.

Talking to them about it doesn't do a lot of good, some really love looking great and are self motivated, but just as many will only get motivated once they think you might be acting bad.

[–]TFWnoLTR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty much every LTR I've had, yeah.

It's why I don't do LTRs anymore. They always stop caring about being attractive, then complain I don't fuck them enough anymore, get insulted when I suggest they try and get more fit, and I end up cheating or getting really frustrated.

Youd have to find a girl who sees fitness as a hobby and isn't just doing it to attract guys like you.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Anyone else had an LTR who progressively looked worse the longer you dated?

Usually the get fatter, yes.

I'm just wondering is this a common phenomenon?

Commitment means girls feel they don't need to try, so they get fat. Blue hair = SJW and actively trying to be unattractive / unfeminine / low value.

It's like a qualification for Club Feminist, and the entitlement that goes along with it: "Why should I try and look attractive just to please a man!?!? now hurry up and marry me so I don't have to work for a living".

Most women I date flatline in appearance and then go down. I've never dated a woman that began to progressively look better - which makes me glad for fucking them in their prime

  1. Commitment kills attraction, and when she loses attraction AND feels like you won't leave, why should she continue to put effort in?

  2. Women lose attraction pretty quickly somewhere after 25.... 30 if she's lucky.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But I began to leave her because she cut her beautiful hair that took her years to grow out, dyed it blue, and gained weight.

What a mesmerizing move from her? Did you not see it coming?

[–]Imaginary_Historian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What they are doing is self-destructive behavior. They know that doing these things will decrease their SMV but they do it anyway, sometimes because they are just plain psycho but sometimes because they are angry about high-SMV men not liking them for their personality or character or some other bullshit, so they ruin themselves purposely, making themselves to only be attractive to the lowest betas out there who might claim to like her personality (though I think even the betas don't particularly.)

Plus on another point. I think a lot of women look good when they are 21. Most don't hold up well and by 35 that number is down a lot. I think this is particularly true for those with exotic good looks like your GF, they look great at 21 but that fades super fast and "exotic" turns to ugly really quick.

Once in a while though, you do see a woman who looks kind of mousey in her 20s but pulls it together and looks better in her 30s. But don't get me wrong, what is happening here is she is just a late bloomer at figuring out proper grooming and makeup.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Gotta add, if a girl will not tell people openly "x(you) wouldn't let me do that" then she's on the downward slope. x wouldn't let me cut my hair, x wouldn't let me wear that, x wouldn't let me do y. That's what is known colloquially as "hand" in the relationship and she will try to not displease you.

Now, here's the other side of that, you are guaranteed to hear from some fatty/feminist/slattern/another redundant noun "'let you'? No man tells me what I can do!". What does that mean? The same thing it always means, hold frame.

You're fighting against a toxic culture that wants to drag your girl to the lowest common denominator and she is going to need you to be a man so she doesn't cave. Woman weak, man strong in the face of social adversity. The best you can do is try to find one that is less prone to the negative influence. This also only goes for LTRs you're serious about, if it's someone you don't care about, not your problem.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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