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by LaFayette4031 on /r/TheRedPill
04 September 2019 06:34 PM UTC
| Title | Man jailed for 28 years because she "dreamed" that he raped her |
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| Author | LaFayette4031 |
| Upvotes | 765 |
| Comments | 209 |
| Date | 04 September 2019 06:34 PM UTC (7 months ago) |
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A girl sued me for harassment. She "felt unsafe" next to me.
I won the lawsuit and I'm suing back for false accusations.
Then I got banned from several meetings and conferences because several women feel unsafe around me because I won the lawsuit. That's right, it was *after* I won the lawsuit.
Ask the Jew if the law helped them in old 1940 germany. The legal system doesn't help the low class citizens.
How isn't this discrimination?
women's feelings are important than the law
Seriously..this.
Any other technical bullshit is merely fluff.
stop this victim complex bullshit. he can easily sue and win
I don't think you are reading. She sued me, she lost. I sued her, I will obviously win.
That doesn't matter. In fact, it's worse. They will attack you more for winning.
They are private organizations and they reserve the right of accepting or rejecting people.
Most private organisations are banned from discrimination.
Only if you’re a “protected class.” This is an actual legal concept in America. Let that sink in for a moment. You are a second class citizen.
Not for discrimination against straight white males.
I don't know why you assumed I'm a white male.
Guess what, I am.
In the US, they don't specifically have affirmative action against white males, it's against the majority. So theoretically if the demographics hit a certain point, so would affirmative action laws. In Canada, where I live, we specifically have policies that apply to anyone non white or non male. It's unbelievable.
This is not true at all. Only if the organization accepts public money.
so they can racially discriminate?
Yes, they don't advertise the fact, but they can.
The hells angels are a fairly famous example. Though they have made some noises about changing that as far as I know they still have no black members. They do associate with black clubs though.
https://law.freeadvice.com/government_law/civil_rights_law_ada/private_discriminate_religious.htm
Privatizing is the death of democracy and politics. It's also an insanely easy way for corrupt bureaucrats to hide and do their dirt in plain sight.
There are no examples of major private organizations who don't sell out. Even the state sells out sometimes but that's where public pressure should come in
Only women are allowed to be victims
Just curious what the details were of her lawsuit. As to the other women, most likely she planted seeds in people's minds to paint you as a creepy harasser so anything you do is construed as unsafe no matter. Part of the social ostracism that women can use against men.
the fact that they feel unsafe would suggest they are inclined to try the same BS. What a nonsense excuse.
What is really going on there is the women are feeling their power threatened. Before you they felt they could accuse any man of a crime with no repercussions. It's an ace in the hole. Now they've finally encountered a man who isn't taking their shit and they want him out of there.
Saying they feel threatened by you is a veiled threat that they'll sue the company for putting you in there. They caved cause they don't want the headache and it's easier to just fuck you over.
For some reason when a woman says, "I feel threatened" that is enough evidence to haul a man off to jail. If I called the cops or HR on someone I would expect for them to ask for concrete evidence but women apparently don't feel such an obligation, wonder why?
Who makes the law? How might the ability to make a law be used to ones advantage?
Of course it doesn't! The American criminal justice system is rife with corruption and is at the whim of public prejudice. I believe it was originally designed to uphold the social order.
I'm from Latin America though. If you think we were safe from feminist courts and "Believe women" sorry to say, we are not safe. Yes, we have "Women courts" here, I was trialed in one of these. A "women's judge" declared me innocent. Imagine how ridiculous the accusations were for that to happen.
Were you accused of being a memory pedophile because you remember kissing a 12 year old girl when you were 12 yourself?
No, but in the future it might not sound so crazy.
you've commented multiple times about muh american criminal justice and you also try putting racial spin on it. Do you know the victim in this case?
Come to Australia, go to any Western Country. The prevailing doctrine is BULIEVE WAHMEN. Under any circumstance. The whole point of this 4 year old article is that a DREAM was used as evidence.
I've had a woman (ex gf of 2 years) have some guy friend of hers punch her in the face and then report it to the police that it was me. By some twist of fate I was at a friends house, who happened to be a lawyer, during a party with many witnesses. That's what saved me. But initially her word was taken and believed 100%. She was an alpha widow and I wouldn't take her back.
Stop being a sperg and stirring the racial pot. This is a war of gender.
This is why I identify as a woman if a cop our court of law ever asks my gender.
Holy Shit same thing happened to me. Broke up with his girl hadn’t seen her in about a year. She got into a fight with her new boyfriend and he hit her., her friend called the police. When they got there ex told the cops it was me.
I get pulled over for an expired tag violation 6 months later. I was moving out of town the following week.they picked up on a warrant for that charge and I ended up doing about a month and half in jail while they straightened it out.
Even my own lawyer didn’t believe I didn’t really do it!
Wow bro that's bad oh my god it's better to go celibate now than to even get into a relationship
I’m starting g to get the feeling this type of bullshit is mostly isolated to American women. I mean you will get drama and shit from all women but America women I find are blatantly slutty and disrespectful. I haven’t seen that much in Asian or European women
Nah it's all the same bro. It's just that it's only the west where things like this actually takes place. But basically awalt . Don't think there are unicorns here in this world. Believe me you will be disappointed. Thousand years of biology doesn't get undone .
That's fucked. And yet she probably walked scott-free
Yup. The hardest part about it was sucking it up to the judge and having to admit to doing something g I damn well knew I didn’t do
please tell that judge white knighted.. Ugh, can't relate the pain you had to endure. The rage.
MrBreitling, women are far more prejudiced towards differences than men. False accusations are a form of scapegoating. And it isn't just blacks....lately it is now more and more common for men on the autism spectrum to be subjected to this. Women deliberately make these accusations against men who are disenfranchised because they know their word will be believed by jurors. If they accuse men of high social standing, even if they are believed, such men will get very light sentences.
Yes I am commenting on the American criminal justice system because 1) this happened in the USA(my country) and 2) our system of justice is quite different than the UK and ANZAC(and even Canada). We have a disproportionately larger prison population, we have capital punishment(still), and unlike other English speaking countries we have Miranda rights and the presumption of innocence. However...there _is_ a big fucking problem with corruption here since MONEY TALK$.
Idiotic statement. The American criminal justice system is the English criminal justice system. It was created out of a thousand years of years of common law precedent and struggle.
NO, it is not. America's justice system is derived from the English system but it is not identical to it.
Sounds like grounds for additional lawsuits and punitive damages.
I get the feeling you're not telling the whole story on this one.
Obviously , I could write a book with the things they did. They not only attacked me, they also attacked my current LTR (They say, they feel unsafe because I might show if my LTR is there) So they wrote to my LTR job, harassed her, etc.
You wouldn't believe the viciousness they have.
I believe this. Women are vile creatures. Went to class with a majority women grad program, and to currently work in women majority field (health care).
They are, sadly. I'm majoring in an education sciences based field, surrounded by women. You have to watch every single one of your words in class or risk being shunned.
I'm just glad to have buddies in my free time with whom I can crack some bad jokes every now and then, it really takes the edge off
You're right I wouldn't, it seems more like a farfetched caricature than real life.
Ok, now with more time I can answer. She sued me because, according to her, I went to several conferences to stalk and harass her. I never touched her, but she felt she was unsafe if I was in the same place as her.
She forgot to mention in the lawsuit, the small detail that I was one of the organizers of those conferences since more than 10 years ago. Yes, that's right. She accused me, one of the organizers, of following her to my own conference. If that sounds absolutely batshit crazy, it's because it's true. It's so crazy that even the "women's judge" in the women's tribunal, declared me innocent.
When she lost, then she started doing really shady shit, like accusing me of rape (The lawsuit never mentioned any sexual contact, she explicitly testified that there never was any sexual contact, not even a kiss), accusing me of harassment, accusing my lawyer of bribing the judge, etc. I mean, justice only works if its favorable to them.
Not happy with attacking me, she and her feminist friends attacked my LTR, attacking her in social networks, in her work, etc. the rationale was "She's associated with an harasser and he might show up anytime so she can't go to any event, conference or job" yep, feminists attacking an innocent women that doesn't have absolutely nothing to do with anything. I met her way after the batshit crazy girl.
Want to know what's the most painful thing? The ostracism of many of people that you though were "friends" and they vanish. Even after you win the lawsuit, you are dirty, maybe not forever, but has been many years already.
There are many more crazy details. Like she presenting as proof of harassment a screenshot of a whatsapp (yes, a screenshot) message that I sent her that says "hey, you are nice". It was so ridiculous that it was almost funny, had she not destroyed my life.
Another of her witnesses (she presented 10, the judge allowed me only 2) was a friend of her declaring that he recognized me because I was a tall guy with long hair (Im 1.70m and bald as a billiard ball since 20 years ago)
So many crazy things, I should write a damn book and I think I will.
sue her for false accusations AND harassment. say you feel unsafe around her.
I would like to say that it wont work, but it might work. The courts on my country are still not completely overrun by feminist terrorist. Thing is, those lawsuits takes years. In fact, I AM doing that, started last year, the lawsuit not even started yet, so much bureaucracy.
This will only makes matters worse for me in the short term. Suing a girl is like the ultimate form of harassment for feminists and they double-down on their social attacks.
My own lawyer told me "Throwlaca, this is a lose-lose situation. If you win the lawsuits, you will still lose a lot. You will never come back to your job or friends, even if you win. Now if you lose, good luck buddy"
If you have proof that she's accusing you of rape, that's actionable, you can sue her for libel.
She's not accusing me of rape publicly, she's doing using rumors. Theres a "rumor" that I'm a rapist, even if the lawsuit was because of harassment, a completely different thing.
And I'm suing her. Contrary to logic, it's not helping me, in fact its making things worse.
This kind of ostracisation happened to me twice. Its a real mindfuck. More than I ever expected. I still get therapy about it.
I don't need therapy, I need to punch the teeth out of every one of them.
I buy it. I worked in a Hobby Lobby for two years. Those girls, regardless of age, could be very mean.
You either have never met a woman or you are willfully blind to their nature.
Ya that's what it is, I've never met a woman in my life, I'm sure you're right and all women are evil, go gettem you pussy slayer 👍
Keep up the sarcasm.
I hope you get a false accusation against you, it is the only way you white knights ever learn...if you do.
Are you just needlessly defiant, offensive and paranoid in every subreddit you go? Hard to not think you are trolling here as well.
I do go to lots of subs I disagree with, sometimes you get a new angle on some views, and often times it's morbid curiosity. Do you only stay in your little bubble where you remain safe and unchallenged?
All day everyday on reddit lmaaaooo "i have a life" you said
I like your style, it’s the best way to grow as a person, i misunderstood then :) I was just wondering if you intentionally go there exclusively to disagree or to learn (or both). Just general curiosity and interest from my side! <3
Look, you attack one woman in an elevator and suddenly women feel "unsafe" around you.
They're reverse Pence's ruling you because you've showed they hadn't power over you maybe?
If you're getting sued by people, you are doing it wrong. Idc if its justified lawsuit or not, people acting normal and not bein loud-mouthed idiots dont just get sued out of the blue.
The Jew? Mate, I realise you are coming from a positive place on that one. Just try phrasing that a little differently.
How the fuck should they be called then?
... The Jewish people. Forget it man.
Hate to break it for you but these laws are Why the jews were persecuted.
NO! The laws were implemented to give the genocide of the Jewish people a facade of legitimacy. They would've been persecuted anyway as Nazi Germany was a totalitarian state with an evil ideology.
This is not trivial, think about what stupid thoughts your brain spills out before you click send.
Maybe "Judea Declares War on Germany" was a bad idea in the wake of WWI... especially considering German Jews made a deal with British Royalty to get the Americans involved in WWI as long as they were given Palestine.
The backstab that was the Balfour Declaration left the Germans pretty angry considering it lost them the war... then adding insult to injury, as Germany paid war reparations to the entire world and fell into self loathing Weimar degeneracy and desperate poverty wealthy Jewish business owners bought up a huge portion of the German economy and real estate market. If Germans didn't have the right to expel them then no people should have ever been expelled, ever.
Even if you had a legitimate point, there's a huge difference between expelling and murdering.
That's why the first thing they did was establish a relationship with Zionist organizations to help relocate Jews to the middle east, even transfering their wealth. This was called the transfer agreement. The killing started after the war began, and after it was over, similar treatment was given to the German citizen non-combatants. War is hell, but no attrocity should take absolute precidence. It seems that WWII has become a mere backdrop to the Holocaust... ignore the 40-100m Russians intentionally shot and starved under Jewish Bolshevism.
Lmfao. Look up the Weimer Republic instead of just spouting approved "facts"
Right, generations of historians must be wrong, you're the one guy who has a clue.
approved historians
Get it right. But yeah keep worshiping your goblin overlords.
Stepping inside a university and actually studying and researching history might broaden your horizon. You should try it once. Take it from a guy who's been doing just that for the past three years.
It's getting pretty fucking hard to enjoy the decline guys..
EnjoySurvive the decline.Things won’t change until a critical mass of men begin to perceive it as a matter of self preservation. That’s how these things go. Right now it’s just an abstract idea, and an unpopular one at that. Most people are sheep and care little for abstract injustices. They just don’t have the capacity or motivation to give a shit.
Only once reality begins to smack them in the face will they suddenly discover their moral principles and their love of freedom and justice. One their best friend’s cousin, or their favorite teacher, or the guy down the hall at work gets accused, and they know five other people with similar stories, then they will suddenly perceive that they are personally in danger.
Until then, well, nobody gives a fuck.
I'm starting to see plenty of Gen Z reject marriage and women's behavior in general - not women's nature, but the way we allow them to behave.
I think we'll see some serious change soon.
I was accused. Lost my job and had to pay thousands to clear my name. Charges were dropped because she was just out to sue the corporation I was representing... Now my best friend that I've known since childhood is being accused of kidnapping and attempted rape because she changed her mind about how she felt at the time, and because he jokingly slid her towards him about 6 inches while she giggled (that's apparently kidnapping). She's making these accusations even though she was kissing him, groping him and climbed on top of him.
He may go to prison with a felony charge and end up on a sex offender registry for life because he either missed some mixed signals she was sending or because she decided she didn't like him anymore.
Fuck this gay society.
Close friend of mine accused me of attempted rape back in 2014. She said the attempted rape happened in 2012, when, after we both flirted on a night out, and slept in the same bed together, I put my hand on her leg without consent. That was all I did, we slept in bed together still, spent the next day together, never kissed/sex/dated, and it was never a problem at all for 2 years.
She continued to accuse me of this infront of groups of people for 6 months until one day she said to me and only me that she was wrong and she didnt really mean it. And 'we should do that night together again sometime...'. I could not believe she had the nerve to do such a 180 after threatening to ruin my life and doing me great reputational damage. She is not crazy btw, she is a pretty normal - even rather conservative - girl.
A couple years later she is asking why we are not good friends and I tell her the above didn't exactly build trust. She denied ever doing or saying any of this, for a full year, saying I essentially was insane. After no contact for a year she eventually reached out to acknowledge she did it all - but said it was never in a public place (a lie) or in a way other people heard about it (a lie).
She managed to bump into my girlfriend on the street and invite her to a party, then corner her at the party and say terrible things, leading to girlfriend totally going cold and leaving me 6 days later. She and her boyfriend keep finding girls I date and messaging them. I've gone no contact for years with them and even 3 months ago they texted a girl they thought I was seeing and told her they needed to urgently meet her to discuss my mental health. The boyfriend photoshopped me in many pictures, to make it look like I am being a pervert or stalking girls, and made a facebook album that is invisible to me. He kept spreading rumours that I am a pervert and a creep. It took me a long time to figure out he was the root cause as he persuades people his ideas are their own very effectively.
Most of the things they have done I have no idea about, because when I catch them its always some crazy miraculous fluke. Only 1 of 30 girls told me that the facebook album existed. The girl they texted nearly didnt tell me they did.
I fucking hate them both so fucking much.
Bro.. That sounds fucking horrible, how can someone dedicate their whole life to ruin someone else's for something that isn't true? I wouldnt even wish that shit on my worst enemy.
I don't know if I would be able to handle it, stay strong brother.
Holy fucking shit, this thread.
> corner her at the party and say terrible things, leading to girlfriend totally going cold and leaving me 6 days later. She and her boyfriend keep finding girls I date and messaging them.
Dude, my girlfriend left me because my harasser did the same to her and she left me. We are back together a year later when she realized she was lied to.
Yeah I dated that girl for 8 months but we were getting serious very rapidly. We dated years before once and I knew her from uni. Was really considering settling down with her. She was gorgeous and a doctor and I liked her a lot.
At the party my girlfriend had only been gone 30 minutes and came back to me. She said 'Uhhh... WHAT was that about?!'. I said 'What?'. She said 'Lucy and George!?' (im using fake names here). I said 'What about them?'. Her jaw was wide open and she said 'What is your relationship like with George and Lucy?'. I said they were my best friends. She said 'WHAT. Look, they are NOT your friends!!'. I asked 'What did they say' and she just said 'forget it'. Then she said 'Is Lucy in love with you?'. I said 'I dont know' and she said 'lets just say thats it'.
She was cold with me the rest of the night. Then we met 6 days later and she broke up with me. None of her reasons made sense. She said I'd never had a real job which was ridiculous and easily disproved and made no sense. She said I was a holocaust denier and wanted genocide, Im not and I dont. She said all kinds of things. I would stoicly say it wasnt true and ask where this was coming from, but she kept changing the subject and running round in circles. After being insulted for an hour without having any emotional reaction I realised it was over and I was giving her closure (bad move) so I said lets end it amicably while leaving but she refused.
Years have passed but I reached out to her on Facebook (she defriended me) 3 months ago when I discovered these people texted the girl they thought I was seeing. I wanted more data. I asked what they said to her that night and she only told me to not message her again. I did ask Lucy what they said once and she denied talking to my girlfriend at all. They invited her to that party by bumping into her outside her workplace (nowhere near them), it was the only time my girlfriend has been near my friends and they engineered it - I stopped letting my friends meet my girlfriends years prior because of how they were.
The guy 'George' (Im using fake names here) I believe is in the bottom 0.1% of the H axis in the HEXACO personality model - which means he is dark triad. I don't mean the cool kind of dark triad either. I mean scheming, machiavellian, dishonest, untrustworthy, but not alpha. In a Prisonner's Dilemma he will reject the choice to cooperate with rewards of '+5,+5' and will instead defect on you causing '-1,-100'. He will hurt himself a little just to hurt you a lot. And you wont realise he has laid a trap until its way too late. The difference between this guy and a run-of-the-mill psychopath is that he plans to hurt you long-term, waiting until the times you are most vulnerable, using chess pieces he put into play years prior. There was one move he did that it took 5 years to uncover how he intended to use it to hurt me. He will hit you with everything at once, as hard as possible. A regular psychopath lies and cheats and hurts you short term, but this guy plans it for years, usually covering his tracks and persuading others to do most moves by proxy. And he doesn't ever do this to his enemies, he always does it to his friends. Its the way the reward system in his brain is wired. In hindsight the signs were there from the start.
You are using a too technical description of an asshole. Just kick his ass next time you see it. No reason. BAM. All your problems fixed, you'll see.
If I were to assault him he would use the law as much as possible. Or get me further ostracised from what few mutual friends I have with him. I cut my losses by cutting all contact and blocking everywhere. Though I think I need legal help as I cant update my linkedin or let people know where I work or who I date.
....................why are you "friends" with this guy?
Sorry buddy but you are going to need a dam good reason.
I had something very similar likes this happen to me. It was over the course of almost 20 fucking years and I never understood what was happening. Don't know what kinda person you are dealing with but unfortunately for me the douche-bag fuckhead I found out about is some kinda CIA level shit, evil as fuck. The very little bit I could even find out from people they were too afraid to even say his god damn name out loud.
People would say what I thought was "crazy" things to me. Never understood what they were talking about. I could go on forever. If you've ever seen the show "F is for Family" the character Chet in the third season is EXACTLY like that. Exactly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W76vlY6nSs8&t
The truly confusing part is how NOBODY ever says anything directly to you about it. If someone came to me and started talking shit about someone I'd almost immediately be like "sooo ummm this guy/girl just said you ....." But that never happens. In fact it's the opposite, they won't say anything even if you ask them.
......you would think another women would be privy to these kind of deceptions...
Hmmm...something else must be at play here.
Dude... you have more than every right to sue. Litigate. Please. At least ask if someone could build a case.
I am not surprised by anything women do any more but sometimes i am still disappointed at many white knight cuck beta "men".
It is fucking disgusting.
Fuck this gay earth.
Years ago I ran a hospital that contained a neuro intensive care unit.
People with head trauma, strokes, congenital issues. Pre and post surgical patients with drains and on ventilators.
One such woman had a stroke and needed her skull opened to drain the big blood clot inside that was pushing her brain out her spine, a serious operation. She was on a ventilator and other life support overnight.
Her sedation was stopped and her breathing tube was removed the next morning.
The patient, who has just had a massive stroke with brain swelling and damage, who's been on multiple sedatives, hypnotics, and painkillers including benzos, fentanyl and ketamine infusions, and has a history of being raped/abused, tells her daughter that her nurse came to her icu room in the middle of the night and raped her while all the other male staff watched and cheered him on.
The result? All male staff were placed on administrative leave for several days until an investigator cleared them, placing all the other patients in jeopardy because of extremely limited staffing levels.
People regularly hallucinate when coming up from deep sedation. Seeing bugs and bats is common, as is talking to nonexistent family members, especially dead ones that tend to stand in the corners of the room.
Do we call Ghostbusters or an exterminator when patients see shit? Nope.
But my male staff are immediately guilty until proven innocent. This is an open unit, BTW, with a highdef camera mounted in every room so the intensivists can remotely view the patients, a ward clerk, and roughly 20 staff on the unit at any one time.
Jesus fuckin Christ. So basically if a woman is fucked in the head and says the staff raped her, they're automatically guilty until proven innocent? SMFH
Administrative leave for a rape investigation. Yeah.
Good thing they all need to be solid frame guys to exist in an ICU baseline, they all just shook their head at the stupidity of it all and took their paid vacation.
You shouldn't be surprised by this at this point.
I'm not sure you can totally blame the woman. I'm not saying you are, but she could've had a very real-feeling hallucination and still been under the influence of drugs like ketamine, as mentioned above, and reported what seemed to be truth.
"Fucked in the head"? Yeah. Temporarily. "Fucked in the head" as a permanent state? Well, maybe.
Sure
But it is mostly the response to this that is horse shit from people presumably not under the influence.
I guess you were lucky you didn't get sentenced like in OPs story.
don't be so nice about it. some types of women just love creating these drama-filled stories out of a random thought. they do it because they are selfish cunts who want attention, they know they didn't get raped.
Man i dunno, I'd have done the same. Just for appearances. I mean what's the alternative? Rats and bats are easy to dismiss. Things like this, she'd go off the next day telling everyone that she got raped and you know how easy these things spread. Soon the news covers it and the hospital can be shut down.
I mean it's pretty shit but can anyone tell a better way of handling these things? Ofcourse don't suggest that'd women shouldn't be this messed up in the first place :P
You would have put all those lives in jeopardy? For what? Assuming this isn't pre 2000's, there must have been cameras to prove this was happening or not. To take out most of the staff with other patients needing help is the worst possible way to go about it.
Yeah my bad, didn't think there'd be cameras in hospitals.
At this point in history....idk.
I get that you need this women to stfu for pr and legal reasons but does this off set the risk for a possible lawsuit from an incident deriving (or used as evidence) from being under staffed.
Idk ....maybe.....i would think not.
Then again in this day and age i would seriously not be surprised if a possible consideration is if you could use the defense of
"But we needed to have this complete mis allocation of manpower/resources because a women might have POSSIBLY however unlikely been harmed in some way"
With a white knight judge going
"Oh why didn't you say so earlier, case dismissed"
......seriously would not surprise me anymore. Probably a factor in risk management now or later.
I don't know who needs a bigger and more brutal ass beating, that woman that said that bullshit to the judge or the judge who actually based his judgement off a damn dream this idiot had and gave the man 28 years.
We know women say shit.
The judge should get a bigger ass beating lol
THIS.
Female nature may be evil and deceptive but it is what it is.
.......I do not feel like playing devil's advocate right now.
But while i am convinced more and more daily that there is a beta simp gene and possibly a...reason for this..they are disgusting, shameful, etc "men" that should be wiped out.
My mind can't comprehend how cases like this can exist. They convict people.. WITH NO EVIDENCE.... is this fucking bizarro world, what is going on?!
He's black. It's America. That pretty much says it all.
It’s because it was the 80s and he was a black male. If you don’t think racial bias had anything to do with the courts willingness to believe this bitches DREAM then you’re being willfully ignorant of history and should go look into the “court cases” of those accused of rape during Jim Crow. And those are the lucky ones, many were just straight up lynched.
Race played no issue in this particular case. The issue here is that a vagina person accused a penis person of rape with little to no evidence and won. This happens to men in the West too often.
This is a case of race and gender intersecting. Especially in the time period that it happened.
The whole thing is complete and utter horseshit. Poor man.
Because he's a man, no evidence is required
Because he's black, severity is required.
Pretty corrupt judicial system
Intersectionality is brainlet tier but the second thing you said was right.
Dude, don't be braindead. I'm not using this as an SJW talking point. I'm saying that they were both probably factors in this shit show for the guy.
bullshit. race definitely played a part at that time.
Most sexual assault and rape cases aren't proven true. That is a statistical fact.
You're fucking delusional. It was clearly because he was black.
Yes, let's focus on how the black guy went to jail instead of the fact that a woman's freaking DREAM was taken as acceptable reasoning by a jury to imprison a man.
And why was the women's DREAM taken as acceptable reasoning by the jury? That never happens.
Think about it. You can do it.
Oh please, whites get prison time on made up rape accusations all the time. This is not a racial issue.
He got convicted in the 80’s though, you’re living in crazy world if you don’t understand his race probably played a big factor
In the '80s most Americans were biased against white people and for negroes.
You really are naive if you believe that.
In the '70s negroes were already getting preferential treatment in every government everything including schools and the people that gave it to them were politicians who were elected by MOST people. Every blackie on TV was a doctor or some other kind of genius. I could go on but you have your fairy stories.
You are correct, it's a class issue. It is always a class issue.
Try gender, comrade. This wouldn't happen if the bloke accused her of rape based on a fucking dream.
It's not a class issue. Black men are more likely to be falsely accused than white men irrespective of class (partially because white women know how racist a lot of white men are), and get more prison for both false accusations and real accusations.
White nationalists like you churning the hampster wheel are just like women. I want you to know that.
Maybe so but when did you hear of a young black man getting off easy because his future could be ruined by actually raping an unconscious college girl? Oh please is something you need to shove back into your mouth.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/04/14/black-judge-gives-black-home-invader-probation-attacks-white-family-for-racism/
How does an armed home invasion and pointing a gun at a 4 year old sound?
First off were talking about systematic racism of countless cases of blacks persecuted for crimes because they're black, and many whites getting a much easier time overall. One particular case you've shared from Breitbart no less is not a strong argument.
I miss the days of this sub when far left crazies didn't know we existed.
Show me an example where this exact scenario happens with a white male
It's 100% a racial issue. Black men are more likely to be falsely accused, and get more prison for both false accusations and real accusations.
White nationalists like you churning the hampster wheel are just like women. I want you to know that.
Watch the documentary, 'making a murderer', this will prove that race nothing to do with these kind of things, if system itself has decided to screw you over.
That's called feminism in action. You should really keep in mind that feminism was the driving force in the growth of the KKK. They performed the vast majority of the organizing and recruiting. Oh, and they haven't changed since then. They just use different words when they are explicitly discriminating against black men.
Also, 48 years for rape? Why is it some men, even, only get a few months when it was proven and this poor fella got close to a life sentence?
She deserves a death penalty for this
Not before the judge who accepted that as evidence
Maybe not death, but she should be incarcerated for a time equal to his. The judge too. Imagine using dreams as evidence...
As a whole, women should face legal repercussions (incarceration or otherwise) for false accusations. This is getting way out of hand. As far as I'm aware, nothing happens to a woman who makes a false accusation, but even if the man 'wins' the case, his reputation is now tarnished as a potential predator
This is tricky. With rape accusations there are so many claims that are difficult or impossible to prove, so if you punish the accuser when it's literally a case of he-said, she-said, less people will come forward. The best solution is to require more evidence for prosecution and harsh sentencing, and not jump the gun on accusations alone. Innocent until PROVEN guilty, and all that.
An accusation alone should not be enough to ruin a person's life. Also, if you ever talk to rape victims you realize a lot of them initially blame themselves or find ways to rationalize it as not rape, then change their feelings later. When alcohol is involved memory tends to get blurred. Unless there is proof of the rape via dna, video, audio, witnesses, etc, there should not be a prosecution, or at the least a harsh conviction.
There is a difference between unproven accusation and accusation which is PROVEN to be false. For example when there is indisputable evidence of accusation being completely false, which is often the case.
Also, if she isn't sure if it was rape or not then it wasn't. If some guy was too drunk to see that he fucked someone unattractive it is his responsibility and he can't blame anyone other than himself for being too drunk. But if genders reversed then woman is a victim. Just because men take more active role in sex.
There is a blurry line between lack of proof and false accusation. People are quick to call someone a false accuser when there is lack of proof. It's really better to just treat the accused as innocent until there is enough proof to prosecute. The issue is simply being accused of rape can ruin someone's life, and that is why some vengeful or crazy women make fake accusations.
This is exactly what I'm talking about though. " For example when there is indisputable evidence of accusation being completely false, which is often the case. "
The phrase that you are looking for is "malicious false accusation."
And he deserves the chance to actually rape her. Double jeopardy my friend. Then he can say ‘I dreamed that I never raped her’ as the knife through it
Yeah, we don't do that here buddy. Hit the gym, let the rage out in a healthy way.
Going a bit too far here mate. I can feel the malice across the keyboard.
Since then he has received $2 million https://coloradosun.com/2019/02/14/moses-el-exonerated-compensation/
I don't even know if there's an amount of money that can be given to me to compensate for 28 years of my life
missing your kids grow up and not even meeting your grandkids. not having friends, hobbies, good food, healthcare or ANY autonomy. no amount of dollars can help that
You can have hobbies and friends in prison, though.
I agree, but $2m is more than 0
Fuck, I wouldn't trade 2 billion for 28 of the best years of my life.
I get the point but if I had 2 billion, from then on would be the best 28 years of life.
No fucking way you could enjoy your billions when you are 60-86 years old. Your hormonal status and overall health would be shit. You would be lucky to live past 60 when you spent half of your life in prison. Especially so if you also worked hard like many prisoners forced to. What the point of being billionaire when you already half-dead?
Give me evidence where you say you’re lucky to live past 60 in this case. Sounds like anecdotal evidence in your example.
Lol, what? You really believe that life in the prison don't influence your life expectancy negatively? Nowadays people ask for proofs even when you tell some common sense facts to them. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/06/26/life_expectancy/
Waiting for Pheminist reactions to this case.
They're probably outraged that he was retroactively found innocent.
Just remember, the only thing a feminist hates more than a penis is a brown penis.
Really? In Deutschland its whole other story. Many fems love them some Digger Nick..
Once a country's justice system collapses, the only recourse is revolution.
My ex once got really mad at me because I cheated on her...in a dream. She ended up cheating on me.
Oh man I laughed at that. My ex got mad at me in a dream, and stayed mad after she woke up.
One key thing to take from this story is that in the retrial the "victim" still asserted decades later that the neighbor was the one she saw when he turned on a light. This despite the fact shortly after the attack she initially blamed her drinking buddies two of which had the hairstyle she described of the attacker. 5 years later one of her drinking buddies sexually assaulted a woman and her 9-year old daughter so a real saint here. He even confessed that he did it and that it was consensual (not sure if the punching was but some women are into kinky stuff). He retracted this confession later but his alibi confirmed he was missing during the time of the attack. On top of that his salvia matched the DNA tests while his semen type was a match while the neighbor's was clearly not. So despite all the evidence pointing to her bad boy drinking buddy (hairstyle, him knowing she was drunk, salvia match, semen type match, rape conviction) she still asserted that her neighbor was the one she saw confirmed in a dream. Insane! So she was willing to overlook the obvious alpha male criminal and continued to keep to her story in order to keep an obviously innocent man in jail.
Think about that for a moment and realize why we cannot allow such a "believe her" mentality to be the law of the land either legally or socially because as this woman shows some women will let an innocent man rot to protect her reputation and/or let an alpha bad boy slide.
I can only say one thing: Jesus Christ
This dude went to jail before I was born, and has been in jail longer than I have been alive. That's fucking ridiculous.
I am reminded of the Salem witch trials, where people were hanged on the evidence of dreams.
Fun fact - Salem Witch Trials were a product of "believe her" as the principle accusers were teenage girls. I laugh whenever wiccan feminists try to call witch hunts as a misogynist attack against women ignoring the Salem Witch Trials, the number of men killed in these witch hunts, and the number of female accusers.
Oh yeah. Holy crap, that's true.
Wow.
This is more of a fuck cops and DA's situation than fuck women situation.
When a child gets behind the wheel of a car and runs into a tree, you don't blame the child; he didn't know any better. You blame the cops and DA who got in the passenger seat and said, "Drive, kid; I trust you."
Exactly. It isn't like "whamen are evil!". It is just social environment is shit and law system is too flawed. The problem isn't false accusations, but that people believe in them and liars are left unpunished even if they failed.
First off, this is an old article. December 2015.
But I guess the police knew they had the right guy because his skin colour matched the charts they had in their crime detection kit.
Here is the thing though, the woman was beaten up and raped. Everyone in here baying for her blood should take a moment.
She had six bone fractures to her face and lost vision in one eye. She was in hospital and heavily medicated while she had this 'dream'. A psychologist could explain this a lot better than me, but with the trauma and the drugs it's likely she genuinely believes it was him.
The real villian here is the police that didn't do their due diligence.
Anyway, the update to this story is that he's due to get paid $70k compensation per year behind bars. So that's close to $2 million. Not that it makes up for it.
And at the risk of reversing all that compassion you may have built up for the woman that was beaten and raped...
She's prepared a 10 page statement to be read by the judge before any compensation is paid because she still thinks he did it.
Take a moment to reflect that even decades later when evidence mounted that it was her drinking buddy not the neighbor she still clung to her story. Had the evidence not been overwhelming, she would have been content with an obviously innocent man rotting in prison for a crime he didn't commit. I'm sorry I can't feel much sympathy for a woman who ran with wolves, got mauled, then blamed a sheep for the crime and years later stuck to that story despite the evidence that had come up before the retrial
I recommend everyone to watch a documentary called 'making a murderer', it's about Steven Avery incident. It is even bigger than this, and he is still fighting for justice.
come on man... where is the dudes defence?
"This article is 3 years old" Have you heard what happened at the world trade center bro?
Was the alleged victim white? If so, that explains why the Rape kit which collected DNA was never tested.
Aaaand thrown in trash. And again of course, no cop in custody of it was ever held accountable for it.
Must be more to the story. Because then it become she said he said and that leaves doubt.
This is insanity ohh my god what the hell man. It's like minority report shit
Well the real enemy of men, are other men. Think about it? Who made said laws? Who runs to a woman's rescue when shes sad or feels "unsafe"? The reason the battle seems lost is because the real enemy are other them.. Who grant women this power.
And the men who complain and do nothing about it.. Beyond saying something or suing. I got banned from mgtow for making the same point.. And it's controlled by what? Men.. Men are the enemy of men. Women have no power.. Women only have a mouth.. For talking shit.. And can't even do heavy lifting.. Everything is handed to a woman.. In every country on the planet.
So to say women have power is wrong... The issue is the men who protect them even when they are wrong.. Why do you think they white knight anf give them lighter sentences? Because even the beta males know women are weak and can't do anythinf without the protection of the same men they claim to hate.
One good thing about men persecution is that we are together in this and race is ignored. Not a single comment has been about the guy being black, because we know this is happening to all races.
Well, firstly, let's move past the clickbaity title. The man wasn't convicted "based off a dream". Like the DA said, she was cross-examined and a jury believed her. However, evidence was concelead, tampered with, and lost, due to human error.
Rather than look at this as a case of "man convicted based off dream-women be crazy, never have sex again, world ending", the real Red Pill teachings here are:
Jackson, who was in prison for raping a mother and daughter in 1992 less than two miles from the 1987 crime, later confessed that he was the one who beat the victim, and that they had had sex that night, but claimed that it was consensual."
a. She had consensual sex with a man who beat her up. And then claimed rape.
b. She had consensual sex with a man who beat her up...then turned around and blamed the other man. Draw your conclusions on women and the dynamic of sex, violence and love from that.
a. The stigma. The stigma is what gets you. The reputation. Protect your reputation more than anything.
b. When it comes to the law, as with most institutions, its all about power. The DA needed a conviction and has been covering his ass since for all the mistakes he made. His friends lawyered up when his heatfelt confession could be turned against him and recanted.
Lessons: ALWAYS lawyer up. Always be socially and legally powerful. Fight everything to the death, politely. And make sure, socially, you're not in a position to get fucked over.
"The victim first told police it was too dark to identify her attacker, then said it was one of the three men. A day and a half later, she said it came to her in a dream that the assailant was her neighbor, Clarence Moses-El. Based on that, Moses-El, who said he was innocent, was convicted of rape and assault."
If that isn't convicted based off of a dream, I don't know what is. Wakes up one day and says it's that guy over there.
I now know how my professors feel when no one does the reading.
Your comment does have merit. There's a ton of good stuff in it which is why I didn't comment on the rest involving lawyering up, stigma, reputation, and supporters avoiding the public.
In regards to the actual case decision, a man was convicted after cross examination in which no evidence was found on the convicted man, but blood was found of someone other than the convicted person. How do you cross examine someone based on a dream? WHY would you cross examine someone based on a dream?
"In his statement last week, Morrissey said that investigators for the DA had found Jackson’s confession “implausible”, and that he had recanted his confession in 2015, saying that he had made it up because he didn’t believe he could be charged and wanted to help Moses-El. Klein’s lawyer contested that the confession had been recanted."
You're right the DA needed a conviction and is covering, but this man has been in jail for 28 years because a jury was convinced that this woman's dream actually happened. Furthermore, there's a chance that the recantation of the letter never happened and the dude is covering more.
I don't care about the women's nature or whatever parts of this, its not about not trusting women in my eyes. I'm just looking at why this guy's in jail.
If I am missing something here, please tell me.
Thanks for your reply. Yes, you are missing something. It doesn't matter whether there was a dream. She may have, she may not. She probably didn't. There was no dream. There was a woman, beaten, drunk, had consensual sex with a man. She wanted to have sex with him. She wanted him. She didn't care about this other black guy who was also there. She's beaten, she's convinced something "bad" happened because her friends tell her something bad happened. Being beaten up is wrong, society tells her, even though she's ok with it, even though she liked it.
A police complaint must be made, someone decides, and she can't not agree. She likes the guy who beat her up though. She liked it. She wants him. She didn't want the other guy. She doesn't want to look like a whore. Society tells her her value is in her body and vagina, and she gave both up. This is wrong. She must do something. But there's no evidence. The black guy wasn't there. She has a "dream". Maybe she did, or maybe she didn't. She convinced herself. She convinced others. No, it can't be the guy who did it. It was dark. But, I had a dream. It was the black guy. She convinced others. She convinced a police department looking to close a file. She convinced a young DA. A young DA looking for power. A young DA seeing an east win. The young DA convinced a judge. She convinced a jury. Evidence is lost. No one cares. They won. They got what they wanted.
The dream, whether it happened or not, doesn't matter. If you focus on that, you focus on the lie rather than the fact that she's lying. You've already lost. Stop trying to be rational about women's actions, especially when it comes to their vagina. You're always going to lose.
I agree with everything you say. I must be way past the point of believing women lies and society's pressure on women to take action because I took that as a given. I'm not trying to say whether she lied or not. Everything you said was obvious to me the second I read the headline and I didn't need the article to know she probably lied and convinced people. I don't care if the dream happened or not. My comment isn't about the woman at all. It's about a jury so retarded that she literally said "it was a dream" and they took that as enough confirmation to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this random guy needs to spend the rest of his life in prison. She could have said I remember who it was and had memory loss from trauma or something. Or like I overheard him say something or he has always been weird around me and I never felt safe around him. But no she said "I dreamt it" and 10+ people agreed unanimously that yeah that means its 99% chance that guy did it and we are going to put him away forever.
Good effort, but you're still not getting the point. How do I explain it to you? You say you're way past the point of accepting women lie. Except it's not about the woman or the lie at all. By focusing on it you're not past the point at all.
It's about power. It's about how people live in the reality most powerfully constructed for them. I can assure you not one juror seriously thought the dream was evidence. That's the excuse they faces. That's the excuse a girl who got beaten up and liked rough sex gave. That's the reason a DA looking for a big win with no evidence gave. That's the reason a jury looking at a black man, a beaten and raped crying girl and convinced by the zeal and effectiveness of a powerful DA gave. That's the excuse a judge who didn't give a damn gave. And that's what the media reported. A good story. Just not the truth.
So, if you want a lesson, it's to be powerful, and strong, socially physically emotionally sexually. And play on peoples emotions. They can convince themselves of anything.
>a. The stigma. The stigma is what gets you. The reputation. Protect your reputation more than anything.
This.
Women don't care if you sue them back. Or if you are cleared of any wrongdoing legally. They already destroyed your reputation. You are a pariah, you wont get any job, etc.
Now, incredibly, this will NOT decrease the amount of girls you can get. Amazingly, some women will feel more attracted to you, not less. Fuck me.
Victim porn for redpillers
yo this article is from 2015
Ahh spectral evidence.. Salem witch trails all over again
Whenever anyone serves time for a crime they did not commit, the prosecutor, the judge, the police giving evidence or testimony, and the jury should be made to serve the exact same time. Then reasonable doubt would mean something.
But who needs burden of proof and due process right? I’m mean we must believe women, they wouldn’t lie to put a man in jail just out of spite, would they?
And today was the day I fully embraced my inner "nigga".
A three year old article. Well done.
I work with a hood rat, we'll call her Thotimus Prime. Started branch swinging immediately. Married cat. Active alcoholic, my mans, but he shoots down any woman that tries to make him wear a condom.
She was "in love" with me. (Wants what she can't have.) Insert orbiter she gets a job there. My mans plays wingman for her.
Nahhhh.
2nd time she comes up in conversation, he goes full whiteknight.
I let him talk.
She tried to run game shortly after, piling a favor on top of another favor. Hit her with a simple "hold on, are you taking advantage of my kindess?"
Next work day, orbiter goes off. Full blown yelling. I keep my cool, message them both. Off the clock.
Thotimus show's one of the owners the message. He comes to me, runs his usual "protecting my best interest" game. He's worried about her making a harassment claim. We both know it's bullshit.
My point?
How the fuck do we as men choose to not only ignore, but participate in the hamster to the degree that any negative consequence should ever come to fruition?
(I'm waxing moronic.)
Other men can do what they do. I'll never participate in the false subjugation.
While it's unfortunate this man lost many years to this shit, it serves as a solid reminder of what NOT to do.