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After having my eyes opened, I’ve become completely disillusioned by women. Do I just give up now?

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September 13, 2019

Just as a little background so you know where I’m coming from… I grew up in the upper midwest where people were highly religious, women were feminine, and it wasn’t uncommon to marry your high school sweetheart, have a bunch of kids, and live an honest life. That’s what I thought was in store for me, but unfortunately I didn’t put enough effort into myself when I was younger to attract one of those wholesome girls.

Between focusing solely on my engineering degree, starting a business, and dealing with my anxiety, I wasn’t able to start dating until after college. But over the next five years, I moved to a big city, started working out obsessively, dressed nicely, got a graduate degree from a top 3 school, got a bunch of interesting hobbies, and made my first million.

All of a sudden dating apps became popular and I managed to date a few girls for a year or two each. I overlooked a lot of stuff, but it was amazing finally being in a relationship after years of being alone. After my last relationship ended, with my new-found confidence, I was getting tons of first dates with really attractive girls. But the illusion faded with every subsequent girl. Just to give you an idea of what I’m talking about, here are a few examples:

  • Had a date lined up with a really hot biology PhD student, showed my friend her picture from her profile, and he said she looked familiar. 5 minutes later, he sends me a link to her seeking arrangement profile.
  • First date with an ex-sorority girl and within 10 minutes, she’s bragging about fucking a famous musician on his tour bus. Went on a few dates with a college cheerleader who told me she cheated on her boyfriend to have a threesome with an NFL player.
  • I was bored, so I went out with a completely average looking 24 year old who told me she hooked up with 14 guys within the past year and decided to look for a relationship instead after having an abortion.
  • Met an adorable 25 year old at church. She told me she had been with 3 people. Got her drunk and she changed that number to 30. Also, her last relationship was with a married man who got off on being cucked.
  • Went out with a girl who unbeknownst to me was married. She spent the whole time talking shit about her husband and how she cheats on him when he travels for work.
  • Met a girl who grew up a devout catholic. Check her instagram after our first date and she’s got a selfie of her topless in bed next to an NHL player.
  • Dated one girl for a few months who I actually really liked. She took a girl’s trip to Vegas and came back with an opened box of condoms.
  • Went on a few dates and hooked up with a girl only to get ghosted. I have my friend check her private instagram and she got engaged 2 weeks after we fucked.

I’ve actually got about 50 more stories like this, but I won’t waste your time. I’m just completely lost. It keeps getting worse and worse. Are females really this degenerate? Can you ever trust them? Is it even worth trying? I’m jus so disgusted by every one I meet. I don’t know what to do anymore. I want the life like my father and grandfathers had, but it seems impossible these days.

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Title After having my eyes opened, I’ve become completely disillusioned by women. Do I just give up now?
Author 4ltland
Upvotes 94
Comments 81
Date 13 September 2019 05:08 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]DWS33_119 points120 points  (7 children) | Copy

dating apps are prob the worst type of women you’ll meet

[–]ElijahBurningWoods31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is true, you wont find much quality on dating apps. 90% of the women are on Tinder because they're hopless and think it's their last chance at finding that sweet provider beta.

[–]EvelynnSpoiler10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Only thing is that they also only swipe the top 10% of guys anyway

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (3 children) | Copy

Truth, but also the easiest way to meet women.

Push yourself to meet women IRL.

Protip: bars are dating apps of real life. Easiest place to meet women, but also the worst type of women you'll meet. Not bad if you just want to get laid, though.

[–]FightGuard0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What are your top recommended places to meet women?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hobbies, social clubs, societies. Book clubs, whatever. Something active is good - hiking tends to have a pretty good ratio of men to women. Dance classes like salsa are usually desperate for men to join, just don't be that creepy guy who turns up stinking of thirst.

Be a guy who tries out loads of different societies and gatherings. Basically any social event that doesn't involve alcohol.

If you're religious, go to Church on big holidays. That way you'll meet good women who aren't necessarily religious fanatics and who don't necessarily go to church all the time but go on holidays with their families.

If they hold classes at your gym that might sound like a good one but you'll be breaking the "don't shit where you eat" rule. Up to you how you do that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]FlyingSexistPig70 points71 points  (8 children) | Copy

Depression <--- You are here.

[–]MrAnderzon7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Needs more upvotes for him too see

[–]skorpion77770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great reminder!

[–]Aaron_Aero0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly still haven’t gotten out of this. My n count is still low but it’s hard not to be bummed and discouraged about shit like 80/20 and SMV ratings. True shit bro

[–]Pacman1240 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

but what is acceptance? Ending up marrying a woman who only acknowledges your role as a provider and doesn't love you for your own person or going full monk mode in the mountains of Tibet ^^

[–]FlyingSexistPig0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Acceptance is understanding female nature and being okay with it.

Would you be mad at a dog for eating dogfood directly out of the bag, if you left it out and open when you weren't around? It might be well behaved. It might be well trained, but it's still a dog.

Then why are you angry at a woman for f*cking every hot guy she thinks she has a chance with? She's a woman, isn't she?

[–]Pacman124 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

I never said i was mad that women fuck hot guys they meet, it's none of my business, it's their life, not mine. The problem is, if i'd ever consider marriage, it would indulge a huge consequence, and that's what bothers me more. I don't think i'd ever want to marry a woman who wouldn't love me for what i am but only for what i can provide

Women fuck hot guys and suddenly after time passes, they marry someone who isn't even half as handsome.

Pretty much, it's like i drive a Lamborghini, jump over to a Porsche, then a Bugatti and suddenly i find a cheap affordable Renault Clio and buy it for long term purposes. In other words, i don't actually like this car, i don't think it's beautiful, it never stood out, but it's cheap, the maintenance is low and simply gets the job done. However, if i had the ressources for long term purposes, i would've never even put an eye on the Clio

I just think (and here i can only speak for myself) that the fact that i was never a first choice or at least a genuine one isn't really appealling to me. I don't think i would feel valuated, quite the contrary tbh. In the end, i prefer to be alone than with someone who doesn't acknowledges me for my person.

You probably think that i live in Lala Land and that real life simply works like that. Yes for both i guess\^\^ If that's how it is, it can't be changed, but i think that simply walking away is also a solution and at the same it's acceptance aswell, because you admit this ''female nature''

I have to admit i read too much red pill mgtow stuff and my vision took quite a radical turn even up to becoming paranoid about this, but sadly it does make sense...

[–]FlyingSexistPig0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Perhaps you have come to the same conclusion that many others have: The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Women aren't worth the time, effort and money that you put into them. You'll never get a return on your investment.

So what do you do if you want to have kids?

[–]off_myself37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, women are this degenerate on apps and in real life.

[–]Bored22 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy

Something tells me you come off like you have weak boundaries.

[–]forknpork18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. If everywhere you go it smells like shit, its time to check the bottom of your shoes.

Its bad posts like this get upvoted.

[–]NightFire455 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, something is off with OP that he isn't disclosing. No way a woman on meeting you is going to start bragging about their dick count. Is he trying to date strippers?

[–]ShotgunTRP3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is what hos do to broadcast theyre an easy lay and are horny. Its the equivalent of a betabux splashing cash on dates to broadcast hes loaded and ripe for the buxxing.

If she passes the would fuck [ ] wouldnt fuck [ ] test take that shit to pound town and invest minimal cash and emotion

[–]Mziger37 points38 points  (3 children) | Copy

Can I hear more stories? They’re pretty interesting

[–]LaimbeerAdvocate27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy

Keep going i'm almost there.

[–]oculus_1[🍰] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Me too bro

[–]FilthyStylish0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m reaching, I’m reaching, I’m reaching... arghhhaahaaahaaaaaaeehhhhyyyyy.

[–]Redditgoodaccount23 points24 points  (9 children) | Copy

I want the life like my father and grandfathers had

You're on your way to suicide and you are "picturing" a past reality that you don't know nothing about. I can tell you my Aunt (70) confessed of taking it in the butt from a neighbor for years before marrying my uncle virgin. Not only AWALT but also AWWLT.

Vetting is the least resource we have (and is far from infallible) , to get a decent woman if you are into LTR. If you are not into LTR wtf are we talking about?

What you will do is to continue dating the higest number of women you meet because statistics.

But over the next five years, I moved to a big city, started working out obsessively, dressed nicely, got a graduate degree, and got a bunch of interesting hobbies.

Your llife seems ok what's the problem with women? Your final goal is to settle up with THE ONE?

Yes --- Re read all the sidebar and realize you are not exactly what you think of yourself and you are far from TRP.

No --- Have fun, life is beautiful, females are plenty , they are fun, sexy, soft, smell good and make excellent submissive toys.

Oh OBSESSIVELY is not a nice word.

[–]dzmisrb436 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not op but same problem.

But idk it feels bad to look at females as submissive toys only that you change all the time.Sure it can work for some time or even few years but a lot of guys like me and maybe op look for something more meaningful.

Idk having random girl every night is cool, but after short period of banging it feels empty.

There seems to be need in humans to have meaningful relationship that will last and feel like growing expirence.

I know it's not reality that might even be possible for 99.9 precent of guys (0.1 precent I do believe really gets that it's very rare but I believe it is kind of conspiracy to believe it never happens). But that's exactly what makes me kind of sad and empty.Knowing that I got to pretend that I'm fine with changing girls constantly who also fuck with hundreds or thousands of guys.

I believe that there is no real feeling or purpose in that and that it is in lot of guys brains by nature to want that at some point. But it's too late.

[–]tb1511 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely understand. I'd love a longer term relationship but after even a few short months you can see their efforts to take ownership of you and start making demands etc . I'm no longer willing to deal with that. If/when I find one that doesn't, and I like her enough, I'd consider it. But I'm not focused on getting there and frankly doubtful that it's possible.

[–]mishasam890 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

taking it in the butt from a neighbor

confessed to you or your uncle?

[–]Redditgoodaccount0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

To my mom (her sister) she said "he was not the first, Gino was, but I was pure and I bled the first night" my uncle was already long dead. It was in a very rural town.

[–]nobody_thinks0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I can tell you my Aunt (70) confessed of taking it in the butt from a neighbor for years before marrying my uncle virgin.

how da fuck did u find out about this lmao

[–]fartt1230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

He fucked his aunt. omgod hahaha.

in the butt

[–]nobody_thinks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

user name checks out

[–]Redditgoodaccount0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My mom told me when I was 25 and wanted to marry a virgin because I was an idiot (look up for details)

[–]Pasta177634 points35 points  (4 children) | Copy

Look outside these borders goyim

[–]Mister_Lymon_Zerga3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

lol is this an "asian women are better" comment?

better not be.

[–]VaN__Darkholme3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

He's talking about Arabic women. Since Israel is in the ME

[–]Pasta17760 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Over my dead fucking body

[–]Pasta17763 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I said goyim... do you really think I’d advocate mixing?

[–]tb1518 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

They really are like this. The other side of this is that they all want to move REALLY fast to get into a serious thing. Well, at least when they see you have money. I also feel hopeless, and doubt I'll marry or be in love again. But hey, there is an endless supply of new tail to keep you occupied

[–]deathhandmachiavelli8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

lol, the only reason to use dating apps is to FIND the kind of girl you are describing here.

[–]my_mix_still_sucks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol true tho

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]CainPrice6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Time to move past the anger toward acceptance.

Now you know. You get it.

Women are for sex. Meet women and use the tools you've learned to meet your sexual needs. Quit looking for your future wife and enjoy women for what they are instead of what you want them to be. Women can be a lot of fun for sex and companionship once you drop your unreasonable expectations and quit hoping to find a good wife.

Women aren't why you're disappointed. Your expectations are why you're disappointed. You had a false and unreasonable belief that women were a certain way that is making you sad.

[–]Theorymeltfool14 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

How the hell do you have that many stories?? Are you going out with different women like every night?

And yeah, that’s the kind of women you’ll meet on dating apps for the most part. Quality is hard to find when you’re just saying “yes” to everyone that replies to your messages.

[–]p-seudonym 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

Firstly, women on dating apps are not an accurate representation of women in general - they’re there to smash, and so are you, so get off your high horse.

Which brings me to my next point - you call these women ‘degenerate’ but let be honest pal, if you had the chance to smash two smoking hot chicks in a threesome or a celebrity on her tour bus while she’s in your town, you’d be going right ahead with it in an instant. You need to lose the ego, that’s your issue.

[–]dzmisrb438 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

But I don't agree.

I'm similar like op and it's not about being better.

It's just being defeated by the way world is including yourself.

Plus man are more repulsed by females with high numbers then females are replused by man with high numbers. It biology and it makes sense there is a reason it is ingrened in almost every culture .

But that's besides the point.It's about wanting something more and something more meaningful as you become grumpy old man. Something to remember I guess.

I feel people who live excessive meaningless lifestyle forget that they will get old and weak and that in the end like old man where you spend most of your life(because we might live close to 90 if healthy and you take serious hits after 50. You could keep lifestyle a bit longer but you become old freak like rich old people that girls they sleep with are sickened by and you have to drink a lot of shit to get fake hard on as you age)only meaningful things will matter.

And what meaningful honest feelings are there in one night stands with girls who were dumpster for thousands of guys.

And anyone who plays hard as says I don't care about honest feelings and beautiful meaningful things is lying to himself and should wait to either age or starts being honest completely with himself.

A lot of people cope because they will never reach it.But I know three guys with very high lay count.Two of them say that nothing compares to their first expirences as honest and pure in love teens and 3rd one says he didn't expirence it but feels like if he is honest he lacks something in his romantic life.

I mean just look at all the celebrities who have lays of thousands and still can't get satisfied like black hole. You don't think they lack something and that's why they feel black hole.

And I remember one writer with ridiculous lay count who said he hates the fact that he can't sleep with more females and he feels physical pain. And tell me that it isn't unhealthy and tell me there isn't something missing.

I guess it's more about just feeling of defeat after seeing reality and accepting it and empty feeling of knowing that you can't have something that big part of you wants.

[–]brosky73314 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well said. This sort of thing needs to be more acknowledged in this sub.

[–]Casanova-Quinn-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Two of them say that nothing compares to their first expirences as honest and pure in love teens

That's because they were naive teenagers. The red pill dynamics still existed, they just didn't recognize it.

[–]dzmisrb432 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know but I'm talking about core need. That we bury deep down. The need to experience such things again.

Yeah it was a lie I agree but at certain moment it was perfect thing and and that moment it was real to you.

Everything else seems like but of lying to yourself that it's same and that you don't miss such strong feelings and experiences. But we all need to deal with life I know but it still sucks it can't be always like that, and it sucks we are beings depended on others for such core need and still smart enough when we grow up to know it's a lie.

It's such predicament of redpill if someone offered you opportunity to go back in time you don't know if you should sacrifice truth for experience that you know is based on temporary lie.

[–]tb1510 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This generalization is immature. All kinds of people from all walks of life use these. Hell yeah there is a boatload of misfit toys on them, but guess what, that just mirrors real life. I've met great girls, and certifiable ones. They're like a box of chocolates

[–]Noitrasama5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

One accept reality for what it is even if your values are different. Forget having an honest LTR. That's impossible and risks about should u move her in. There are no good girls. Just have fun. If u want kids go abroad where feminism is less but know AWALT! Have a kid but don't bring her here or else u r fucked.

Read rollo tomassi's book the rational male.

[–]trele_morele2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

You should be looking for meaning in other things. Non-romantic friendships, shared pursuits with like minded people, developing your talents, philanthropic work, etc. Looking for meaning through a romantic relationship that is a fragile, transactional relation subject to whims and volatile forces is not a good idea. A romantic relationship is better treated as an externality to your life, not a building block of it.

[–]dzmisrb430 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

But it's sad that it's such core need.

As a lot of people who experienced true pure young love with someone they found beautiful back then.Without any filter or fear of fake relationship and cheating, ageing or other opportunities with fresh childlike mind contracted on experiencing true love and beauty. Simply nothing quiet compares.

Yeah it was a lie but at certain moment it was perfect thing.

Everything else seems like but of lying to yourself that it's same and that you don't miss such feelings. But we all need to deal with life but it still sucks it can't be always like that.

[–]trele_morele0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think most of us shared a similar vision of life at some point. But alas, we are here now

[–]dzmisrb430 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree it's just living without lies and sometimes uncomfortable truths the best you can

[–]SheriffBart424 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

American culture is full on degenerate. I married a Russian and we live in Russia. Life is normal. Extreme times call for extreme measures.

[–]jm510 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I had a Russian pen friend about 25 years ago. She told me that many of her friends would like to marry a westerner but continue living in Russia. It was the values of a western man that they wanted, not his passport. Leads me to think that Russian men are poor husband material.

[–]VaN__Darkholme2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have read that the reason most ex-USSR women are so hot because the most men were killed in the war. When they did return they reproduced with the hottest chicks and here we are.

[–]SheriffBart42-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's a common thing you'll hear, but I have some sympathy for Russian men because it can be difficult for them to earn a living to support a family. It's not a rich country.

[–]jm510 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The impression I got from her was only a small % of Russian men were moderate drinkers. The rest were either teetotal or drank every day if they could afford to.

Was funny when I told her that occasionally dancing with someone elses partner at a social function was acceptable here in the UK. She was shocked.

[–]250kcal0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah thats the type of information you get by listening to a woman: Always Bullshit.

40% of Russian Men do not drink alcohol AT ALL: 25% have never drank alcohol in their life and 15% have not drank alcohol in the last year

16% of Russian Men are depended on alcohol (another statistic is 8% suffer from alcoholism but they only factored in medically diagnosed alcoholism which is a pretty pointless stat in Russia lol)

Everything in between is moderate drinkers. If you adjust for income, alcoholism % (and funny enough total abstainers) starts dropping rapidly in higher socio-economic brackets. Even something like 20% increase in income leads to 17% drop in alcoholism.

[–]jm510 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

starts dropping rapidly in higher socio-economic brackets

That was her family. Her father was a retired general.

[–]still_unresolved0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What ? Russia is feminist country since the ussr

[–]ugluk13 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy

Reach out to younger women, before they are spoiled. All of the hoes you've dealt with were virgins once.

[–]dzmisrb432 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

But girls lose virginity very quickly most of them in teens and majority of them as teens already have solid numbers.

So when they become legal or possible for guy in late twenties or thirties to date they are already deep into whole thing?

[–]ugluk12 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Legal age is 16 in many places. Women are perishable goods, that's why they were traded on markets for a long time. Even today you can go abroad and buy a young virgin.

[–]dzmisrb431 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

But there is zero chance that you can get in 30s pure girls that are 16.

You will either be too old for them and even if you are some god in looks and look like handsome boy in 30s(which 99 precent of guys never will I'm already bald and not even that old) There will still be milion troubles like parents or social stigma. Just for social stigma she will refuse to be with you imagine approaching girl who is 16 as man in thrties.

About buying yeah maybe if you are ultra connected multi millionaire(if you want young beautiful girl who is virgin).Plus there is still chance of getting in serious trouble, and who knows if it's valuable option in future if it will even exist. Its just not real option for 99.9 precent of guys in this world. It's extremely luck based and luck is luck because only 0.1 precent have it.

[–]ugluk10 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You're complicating too much. Get a good car, take a girl for a ride. Worry about age later. Being bald is the least of worries for a man, status and resources play a greater role.

[–]dzmisrb430 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

But how to be so chill knowing the risks?

[–]ugluk1 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Go overseas.

[–]dzmisrb430 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Actually I live in place where age of consent is 14. But there is no way you can touch them of you are in thrties without getting beaten up by father and his people.

Plus it socially not acceptable. Even if legal age is 14 I'd you are much older best you can hope for is 18 majority of time. Unless you are some big shot in mafia and everyone fears you but it's same as in America bigger chance of dying then rising to such position.

Do you plan to go overseas?

[–]nobody_thinks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

doesn't work bro. the slut vortex has these girls in orbit at 14. age of consent laws.

[–]FlyGuwop3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Best to just stay focused on the sex and nothing else.

[–]dsgk_990 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn so this confirms pro athlete/musician = unlimited access to top of the shelf pussy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why do you care so much what women do or don't do? Focus on yourself and your life. You can't change how others behave but you can change yourself.

[–]Sickem_roy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like stories like these...before I would’ve been pissed off that women are sneaky and will fuck someone of increasingly higher value despite having a loyal BF or husband. I’m accepting it now. It’s like well fuck..All the more reason not to get oneitis. Especially when OP mentions some Christian girl. Reminds you AWALT.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

don't give up, just modulate expectations.

lower yours

then if you come across someone who's uncorrupted, you'll be pleasantly surprised. I wouldn't stop looking, that's MGTOW, just don't look so hard, but keep going to new places and doing cool things.

look at the bright side, at least you weren't years into a crap LTR with kids and mortgage before it hit you like a ton of shit bricks <goes to drink in corner...> J/K.

[–]Chuckles4650 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It seems you got to accept the facts the online girls tell you or go a different route when finding females. They're practically every where and one thing us guys got to accept is rejection when we go another route. It'll get better dude, just remember a person's past isn't a reflection of them now.

[–]nobody_thinks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Are females really this degenerate?


Can you ever trust them?

trust in their biology to make them do what they were programmed to do

Is it even worth trying?

Trying what? To get married? hahahahaha

Just accept reality for what it is and do something creative.

[–]antichrist_redpill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are still plugged in. You still hope or believe that women aren't sexual or that the Disney fantasy is still possible. Bro they are all sluts. They all love cock. Imagine you would have access too a multitude of sexual partners, for example being a rock star. Wouldn't you fuck the shit out every hot girl who wants to be fucked by you. Read rational male so many times until you are unplugged. Enjoy fucking those sluts but don't invest in them emotionally and don't try something serious unless you want children. Also those women are probably the worst. There are always different magnitudes of degeneracy. Some are more sluts some less but they all are sluts. AWALT.

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the hot chick reality based on some details in your stories. Hot woman most of time = many dudes and cheating. They have so much power to choose with no consequences. Its another world. In the olden days, the rich hogged them and they stayed 'loyal'. Now they jusy live in lalaland. Most of them sell to the highest bidder (men making less than ~mid 6 figs or not in the scene dont see them at all, like they dont exist). Some of them (ie church girl) prefer ego power trips with men they can control or to be a big fish in a small pond. Different strategies, same shit.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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