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Girl opens her legs up for a guy on the first date, is absolutely shocked when he ghosts her afterwards. Alright boys, which one of you was this?

by needsomehelp3211 | September 16, 2019 | TheRedPill

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We talk about theory a lot here on TRP. And that's great, that's how education begins. By sitting in a classroom and learning about the fundamentals. You can't be an engineer without first digesting the basics on the chalkboard and learning about the laws of physics, after all. But eventually you need to actually apply these laws to build some cool shit, and it's no different with sexual strategy.

Sometimes we all need to take a trip to the zoo and see how things are like in the real world outside of our heads. I introduce you to the above story, which is a classic step-by-step instruction on how to make a woman go absolutely hog-wild over you using Dark Triad traits. Let's begin.

Our story begins online.

I really need to rant about this. So about a month ago I matched with a guy on bumble

Right off the bat this sentence tells you everything you need to know about the guy on a surface level. Bumble is an app that intimately rewards the top 20% men more than any other, because girls have to message first. Girls already have enough reluctance to go out with guys in a normal setting, so having a girl message you first means you absolutely must be a confident and attractive man. This dude probably has a chiseled bod, works out, dresses like a champ.

After dinner we went to a bar for more drinks and then after that we went to his friends- it was weird but I felt so comfortable around him I didn’t even think it was weird that I was meeting his friends the first night we met.

He controlled the flow of the date from point A to point Z. See how they went to go meet HIS friends. He magnanimously allowed her to partake in his social sphere, establishing dominance right away. Now she knows who's house this is. His house.

I ended up sleeping over and we were talking about our past and what we want in a relationship. We both told each other we were very into this and wanted it to continue. Saturday morning rolls around and he let me sleep in his bed at his place while he goes for work (wow what a sweetheart right!) - and yes we did have sex but I made it very clear that I was not into this just for sex and we both agreed.

So I go home after I sleep at his place a bit longer and then at night we meet up AGAIN downtown because we were both there for birthdays. We couldn’t wait to see each other again, the connection was unreal. I go back to his house again and we talk more and he tells me he likes me. Side note: I’m very cautious and tried to take this slow but I fell so hard for him it was difficult for me to hold back. Anyway, I slept at his house again and then all day Sunday we cuddled, kissed, had sex and watched movies. It felt like we were dating. This is weird, I had never felt so comfortable around someone so quick. It was scary.

Get 'er tipsy and bang her on the first date. This is Red Pill 101. Life doesn't wait for you, don't wait for it. Sex should happen ASAP.

Finally Sunday night comes around and I finally leave. I was so happy to spend basically the entire weekend with him. On Monday he texts me so now I know he is serious about this and still wants to see me. We talk lots over text over the next couple days and then all of a sudden he stops replying. I give it a couple days because I thought maybe he was busy or maybe something is wrong. Finally after waiting for what seemed like forever I messaged him again asking if everything is okay because at this point I just genuinely want to make sure he is okay since I hadn’t heard from him at all. He replies. “Hey thanks for the messages I’ve had a terrible week and been feeling so off. You haven’t done anything wrong believe me. How’s your week? What’s your plans this weekend?” So I assume everything is okay so I reply to his message hoping we can keep talking - no reply again. So at this point I’m like okay I think something else is up here. I get in my head so much and just felt so broken because I instantly fell for this guy.

Making himself scarce. Far from annoying her, in fact it makes her desire him more because subconsciously she's getting the message that he's a man in demand and has more important things to do than to reply to every one of her texts.

A week goes by and no sign of him. I found out he deleted me off snap chat and blocked me from seeing his Instagram stories (mind you as the days go by I cried almost every day feeling so torn because I felt like I had finally found someone and I was on such a high from the weekend we spent together). Mind you I had his clothes and shoes that I wore home. So, I have come to conclusions in my head that he’s found someone else. I go to his house and drop his stuff off at his door and carelessly text him “your stuff is at your door, honestly really hurtful to ignore me after that. You could’ve just been honest with me” he replies and said he just felt like he had taken too long to reply to me - BULLSHIT.

He lets her have her little tantrum, and keeps it cool the whole time. He doesn't allow her to reel him into her emotional world. Girl is mad at you? "Sorry you're upset, guess I'm a slow texter lol." End of message.

Well it’s been a few weeks now and I found out that he matched with another girl on bumble and they are seeing each other. I know it may seem like I’m making this a big deal but why the fuck am I so hurt by this?? To hurt someone like that and not even have the courage to be honest with me? I feel like shit. PLEASE anyone give me some light on this situation because I have never experienced all these feelings at once about someone and I can’t seem to get over it.

I'll tell you exactly why, honey. It's because women are drawn to aloof Dark Triad men like flies are drawn to cow dung. And as a cherry on top, he starts banging another chick and makes sure OP is there to see it, thereby intensifying her jealously. You just know that despite her teenage-like rage in his post, the next time he texts her "I want to see that booty ;) Want to come over Friday?" she'll be speeding over in an Uber faster than you can say Alpha Male.

Moral of this story: when you fuck a girl, keep your cool no matter what happens next. She'll try to shit test you by acting like it's the end of the world, but keep denying her attention and keep steadying the ship through the storm until it passes. Don't get swept into her emotional female typhoon. This will be an all-too-common scenario that attractive men on dating apps will have to deal with. Better to know what to do in advance.


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Title Girl opens her legs up for a guy on the first date, is absolutely shocked when he ghosts her afterwards. Alright boys, which one of you was this?
Author needsomehelp3211
Upvotes 708
Comments 262
Date 16 September 2019 01:17 AM UTC (10 months ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/253441
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[–]muricanwerewolf1425 points426 points  (14 children) | Copy

I just like the obvious contradictions in how she describes herself and her intentions and what she actually does. She literally describes how she has sex with the guy the first night, falls right away for him and then in the next paragraph describes herself as “cautious and tried to take this slow”.

[–]tenpointmatt255 points256 points  (5 children) | Copy

If this passes as “cautious and slow” these days, what the fuck is fast? Jumping on a bus drivers lap and doing anal as he drives you the four blocks to town? Amazing.

[–]good_guy_submitter95 points96 points  (1 child) | Copy

"The guy at the Chic-fil-a drive through asked for my name for the order so I went the safe route and gave him a blowjob through my driver's window. I wouldn't want things to move too fast."

[–]good_guy_submitter4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Test

[–]niceguyputin5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hahahha. I want to say I love the comment section :)

[–]calicotrinket58 points59 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gotta keep that hamster going

[–]AshyLarry2723 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy

Just behavior rationalization.

We're human. It's like how fat people know they are fat, know they shouldn't eat shit food, but do it anyway. Then when they go to rant about their weight, they make sure to put in these "contradictions" as a way to make sure you "already know that they know they shouldn't eat bad food but they couldn't help themselves."

It's funny. We like to believe we have free will, autonomy over our decisions. "We are individuals and we can prove we are different from everybody else, we're not some monotone robot, we're unique."

So why is the Red Pill so effective at understanding women? Because humans are MUCH more predictable than we want to believe. Digest THAT Red Pill. Given the right situations, circumstances, surroundings, scenarios, human beings typically act in a predictable manner. Research always seems to favor "determinism" over "freewill."

At the end of the day, our subconscious mind plays a massive role in the final say on our decisions, which is why we typically lean in the direction of what conserves physical/mental energy, and what keeps us safe. These are the subconscious mind's defaults. We know this at a subconscious level, it's why we look up to guys like David Goggins and Jocko Willink who try their hardest to fight back, and motivate others in the process.

[–]raggot_the_legendary1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nature is strong in us and that makes us largely predictable. However, despite that being strong, we all have an immense power over it. Free will does exist, it just takes a lot of effort.

Humans can decide to walk on their hands rather than their feet. It's what makes us special with respect to other animals.

[–]AshyLarry271 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

To say we have an immense power over it is a stretch. It's why fat people stay fat. It's why this won't be the last time the broad in OP's post will be venting about dudes pumping and dumping her.

Where you are right is that it takes a lot of hard work and effort. It starts with actually understanding your patterns or habits are an actual problem. This can be hard if you have no understanding of how to fix the problem, or how it even came to be a problem. Take financially illiterate people who are, as a result, just bad with money and always seeming i debt. Just knowing free spending doesn't change the actual habit.

Now it's fun to describe all of this, but at some point all the knowledge in the world won't change a bad habit without taking charge of it. Ironically, this ultimately explains why we have so many posters here that don't actively go out and talk to girls, they'd rather bitch and moan about them here. They've addressed their lack of knowledge on women here by reading the side bar, but dont proceed further. The ultimate irony being they are no better off than the girl in OP's post that "knows" she shouldn't be going around just spreading her legs, but does nothing about it. Won't stop those same guys from "lol AWALT amirite." Look at that, we've come full circle.

[–]DeepReindeer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Human behavior isn't as predictable as it seems. Ask any trial attorney or politician.

[–]AshyLarry270 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am simply speaking in terms of behavior and response to typical situations. Those people you speak of are scenarios that require more effort to mask your true intentions or out-wit others. They will still most likely have some of the same fears and bad habits that more intelligent opposition will use against them successfully

[–]Standgrounding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"tried to take this slow" Emphasis on "tried to"

[–]Truedemocracy5383 points384 points  (45 children) | Copy

Word to the wise. Anytime someone FALLS HARD for someone very fast (either guy or girl) then it doesnt indicate that they 'clicked' but instead that there is a significant SMV gap between the two. Guaran-fucking-tee it. I had regrettable one night stands with girls in college who still ask about me 5+ years later that I dont give 2 seconds thought too. On the flip side, there were girls I definitely 'fell for' that in reality I didnt know that well, they were just beautiful.

OP is a dumb sloot, and anyone who fucks that much the first weekend of meeting someone will get labeled in the 'whore' category

[–]187oddfuture134 points135 points  (10 children) | Copy

And any red-blooded man would happily fuck said slut for a weekend because it’s free an easy ass. Who wouldn’t want a new concubine in their apartment every weekend?

[–]QueenSlapFight22 points23 points  (9 children) | Copy

concubine

What century are you from traveler?

[–]RedPillFusion69 points70 points  (7 children) | Copy

He used the word correctly and appropriately.

[–]QueenSlapFight44 points45 points  (0 children) | Copy

Indubitably. Methinks thou hast a point.

[–]PirataCielo2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

lmao the definition suggests a concubine is more of a live in fuck piece. whore would have been more appropriate and less pretentious.

[–]RedPillFusion11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Maybe let's leave the language policing to the feminists eh?

[–]PirataCielo2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I didn't say what should or shouldn't be said. Words have definitions and uses.

[–]RedPillFusion4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

And his was correct and appropriate.

[–]Balderdash795 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

"whore" doesn't apply here. Whores are smart enough to get paid

"slut" is the word you are fishing for

[–]Field_Of_View0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

whore would imply payment so that's not accurate either.

[–]Reformed653 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

What century does your origins lie in, fellow moving particles?

[–]FrgElder24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is the first thing that came to mind when I read the story. Basically OP was a 6 that fell in love with a 9 who didn't give a shit about her, but wanted to use her for fun in the mean time. A lot of the "relationship talk" questions she mentioned were probably extremely off-putting as well for the guy and threw up a few red flags for sure.

People always project their own ideas of attraction and motives onto the opposite sex. This goes for men and women. In this particular case this woman thought they were both falling for each other, because she was falling for him. She assumed they were of equal SMV; because women mistakenly believe they are equal SMV to partners they sleep with, despite the fact that they only date people across and up on the SMV scale (and only have quick hook ups with guys much higher). She thought that men do the same, and since he was hooking up with her it must mean he regards her as at least his equal. When in reality men date across or down on the SMV scale.

You get stable relationships when SMV is roughly equal and you reach an equilibrium point. Most optimally when the man's SMV is maybe 1 point higher than the woman's, to keep her hypergamy in check by limiting better options. When you get drastic SMV mismatches is when things like OP's story happen.

[–]askmrcia12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

> This is the first thing that came to mind when I read the story. Basically OP was a 6 that fell in love with a 9 who didn't give a shit about her, but wanted to use her for fun in the mean time. A lot of the "relationship talk" questions she mentioned were probably extremely off-putting as well for the guy and threw up a few red flags for sure.

Agree and I can bet my life savings that she treated dudes whom she wasn't attracted too on Bumble much worse. Strung them along for weeks giving them no sex while she gets better matches.

[–]tenpointmatt36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great observation, this hadn’t even occurred to me.

[–]lobstergenocide9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had never realized this but you're so right

[–]majani6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was thinking SMV gap too, but there are times when it's legitimately a personality match. Not like for like match, but where you measure high, she measures low and vice versa.

[–]AlleyFrog961 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I really like what you said

[–]baeslick-2 points-1 points  (25 children) | Copy

What are the dangers of fucking on the first date besides obvious STIs, I only got close to an ONS once and I stopped because I was in a bad place at the time. I guess girls could falsely accuse you of rape, in that case just have documentation that it was consensual? I feel like at that point it's just better to bed girls that would be STR/LTR/marriage material anyway, not criticizing anyone just posing a few curiosities

[–]Ballosaurus 1 points [recovered]  (23 children) | Copy

Decreased ability to pair bond? Feeling empty?

Not that I have a conscience or anything when it comes to sex, but ONS always left me feeling like shit

[–]baeslick73 points74 points  (22 children) | Copy

I think everybody has a conscience, it isn't a bad thing. Sex is an intimate act and we are social creatures, so that intimacy coupled with our desire for connection makes things like ONSs bad for our social psyche, I firmly believe that. I have really struggled with this way of thinking because I am inherently not that guy, I always looking for deep connections with people before I would consider something like sex. It isn't beta behavior, it's human behavior, and what I don't think TRP handles enough (maybe it's outside of its wheelhouse) is how our actions and responses to de-regulated sexual culture either make better or worse our experiences within it. Like what if tomorrow we all just said "Be gone thot!" and yeeted all the fickle bitches and just dated good girls from good backgrounds who wanted to stay grounded and raise a family? Imagine how that would change the culture, imagine how that would make our lives better by giving us an opportunity to ACTUALLY have a shot at the most meaningful life we can imagine?

I'm not talking fluff, this is real shit, and I hate it when TRP members say shit like "enjoy the decline" and apocalyptic shit like that. Like dude, you're not making your life better by fucking bitches and leaving nothing behind, if you want to that's fine, but what if you could do better? I'm not asking to play 50s dollhouse with the Nuketown-esque flipping burgers on the front lawn, but if we are to set a better example to up-and-coming generations of men, we could at least do better than lead with our dicks. I guess I'm just frustrated lately with hookup culture, it was never me, I don't know if it will ever be me, but I don't know if that makes me more or less of a man because of it

[–]riggedved75 points76 points  (18 children) | Copy

I upvoted this because this post mentions one thing that TRP either never talks about or outright denies: conscience.

Sure, everybody loves fucking bitches and dumping them on the first night. Yet, nobody talks about the hurt they cause to another person. I like to live my life in a way where I don't hurt anybody, be it a girl, a guy, someone walking down the street, an animal etc. Because when I hurt someone, it hurts me. And it hurts me because I have a conscience.

I have commented about conscience in many posts on the TRP subreddit, and have been downvoted for them 90% of the times.

[–]Shadows145526 points27 points  (12 children) | Copy

I truly agree, you can't leave your conscience behind, use then hurt people just for your own pleasure, it shouldn't be satisfying.

TRP is supposed to make us a better version of ourselves

[–]letmepick36 points37 points  (11 children) | Copy

Especially since the Chad in OP's story is actually a d-bag: he spends an entire weekend not only banging this chick, but talking and cuddling with her. He was the one sending mixed signals here. I am not saying the girl wasn't a sloot (because she definitely acted like one), but if he 'ghosted' her after doing her once or maybe even twice, I could understand. But this dude led her on for days. Not cool, even for a TRP educated man.

[–]good_guy_submitter7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

Women are good at playing the victim.

Yet in the OP she was the one using an app to get random strange dick. In an app where women have to message first no less. She propositioned him for random sex and was surprised that all she got out of him was random sex.

Lol.

[–]letmepick1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women are good at playing the victim.

No argument here.

The issue here is we do indeed only have her testimony, her point of view of the event in question.

I remember a quote from a TV show where a lawyer says: "There is my side, your side, and the truth."

From the info given to us (her side), we can safely say the Chad was a douche. We still need his side to properly understand the story, yet somehow I still believe her version is closer to the truth.

There will always be those who will weaponize simple tools - in this case, TRP teachings.

[–]good_guy_submitter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not really. She used an app for finding random sex. That is what she got.

[–]askmrcia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you. This place is being over ran by simps and captain save a ho's. Jesus Christ.

She sleeps with random men on the internet within two hours of meeting them and then she gets mad when a guy well above her league don't give her the GF treatment. Cry me a river.

How many guys did she string along, flake, ghost and provide on word answers to? Especially guys that were looking for meaningful relationships? I thought this place being quarantine would prevent simps from coming here and white knighting for Ms. Victim.

All those upvotes because Chad is a big meanie who didn't wife up a girl who sleeps with randoms from hook up apps. Here I thought guys were waking up but I guess not.

[–]Shadows145520 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah it wasn't like "breed the seed and need for speed".

As the girl said it was as if they were dating, that dude enjoyed the girlfriend experience for a week-end then left like nothing ever happened.

Sure it was a good experience for him but now the girls he hurt will be way more suspicious around men so it will not only have a negative impact on the girl but also on the sexual market

[–]Minopo29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

We only know the girl perspective, the story could be different in the guy perspective.

A few months ago I had a similar story, I met a girl on a popular holyday party here in town. We were both drunk and start to makeout at the party, then spend the all weekend at my house. I did similar things, sex, cuddle, spending the weekend with her, etc..

Our SMV was equal, but she was very needy, she was already talking about how luck we were to find each other, she was saying she want to move to my city, that we were soulmates, etc...

I said she should think very carefully before making a huge decision like that, that our lives were different, etc. After she leave on sunday afternoon, she sent me some texts and I use the same approach as the guy from the story.

[–]Shadows14558 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Shit you're right I forgot about the different perspectives

[–]ImNotSue6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

He's not responsible for emotions of others he doesn't overtly intend to elicit. If he she felt girlfriend-y and he didn't overly state that it was his intention for commitment, that's on her alone when her feelings get jumbled in the upheaval. Her 'great synergies' and 'hitting it off so well's be damned.

[–]askmrcia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Especially since the Chad in OP's story is actually a d-bag: he spends an entire weekend not only banging this chick, but talking and cuddling with her.

Ok I have to chime in here. Good for that guy. Women give mixed signals all the time. And not only that, but they also straight up LIE in what they want. Example "I only date nice guys and no d bags". Then they proceed to date the complete opposite. She knew first hand up front what this guy is all about. She is only playing it like the guy is some Hollywood actor who faked his whole personality so she can come out like a victim. Stop falling for her BS. She slept with a random dude who she knows nothing about within a few hours of meeting him. Let that sink in. That's not her first rodeo.

That guy did exactly what he was supposed to do. Anyone here with experience with women can tell you first hand that if that guy acted exactly how she SAYS she wanted him to act by committing asap, she would leave him for someone else. And why should he treat her like a girlfriend. She's a chick who sleeps with randos off the internet. That sounds like GF material to you? So why on earth is she approaching this dude as a boyfriend being clingy as fuck?

I guarantee you that if that guy calls her right now and tell her to come over, she will go straight over there.

You think she will do that for some decent guy who treats her more then a sex toy? NOOOOOOPE. You think she would sleep with a guy who could be her potential husband on the first date? Nooooooope.

>But this dude led her on for days. Not cool, even for a TRP educated man.

He didn't lead her on at all. He was ignoring her messages and they met on a hookup app (tinder is no different than Bumble). She should have taken the hint. That's what women always say to men. Again she is framing this story to make herself look like the victim.In reality she thought she could land a guy well above her league and that guy reminded her that she's no different than any other whore on those apps.

[–]novalentineforyou17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

You should cruelly dump a girl and find out for yourself how long it takes for her to get over you. I think you'd be surprised. I'm at the point where I just do not give a fuck about comforting women who are sad about their relationships unless it was some 5+ year commitment because they recovery so damn quickly. Men process it differently.

When you invest in a relationship, remember in the back of your head that this girl you're dating won't take very long to get over you if it goes south, regardless of how much she loves you in the moment.

[–]baeslick0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe that's because you're dating superficial sloots that don't care about people

EDIT: or maybe you're right and I just don't have enough experience, I don't know

[–]Protocol_Apollo4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have to learn to separate morals from sexual strategy, you know every girl and their mother has, is and will.

Look up moralty the great falsehood on this sub and also remember:

HumanSockPuppet: "You are a man. You are the only creature on this planet fit to accomplish anything of worth. And because of that, the rest of the world will always try to twist your mind, or twist your arm; to force you, by deception or by threat of imprisonment, to accomplish their goals instead of your own. Learn to recognize when this is happening, and take back control of your life, so you can do the things that YOU want to do."

[–]modTheRedPike[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

conscience

There are far too many opinions to make the topic work here. So we work at it the other way. We discuss observations, actions and whatnot. Each of you get to decide how that applies to YOUR opinion or morals. This way we can keep talking and you get to have your own opinion too!

So let's keep it this way.

[–]Geleemann6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. But once you've taken the red pill, and realise what female behaviour can be, and will be like then it becomes very hard to have a long-lasting meaningful relationship. And there's no point in getting married or having an LTR. Pair bonding is great and feels good, but logically, any smart man just can't get married.

If people don't get married, the pair bonding won't last forever for most people anyway, because of female hypergamy, they will always want something better. Are there relationships out there that aren't like that? Possibly but it's not worth it

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I hate it when TRP members say shit like "enjoy the decline" and apocalyptic shit like that.

Because you have no idea what it means. The decline actually represents good times for us. We have far better access to women for less work and commitment. Our world isn't declining. The society that promoted committed monogamy is declining. And there is nothing you can do to stop it, because most other people don't want to stop it. Will shit end up worse for them? Yeah, probably.

But not for us. Enjoy.

[–]baeslick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I haven't thought of it like this before, I guess the place where I tend to fall into conflict with TRP is when it comes to raising children, it seems like TRP doesn't have an opinion on it as much as I would have hoped, and so I keep coming up short because the decline of committed monogamy means that raising a family becomes harder, but not sex, that's where I am still struggling with answering the question of family and child-rearing. I shouldn't be concerned about it, I'm 24, but I come from a bad and broken family and this is something I want to ameliorate in the future. Yes it's important to me, is it important to everyone? No. But I need to prioritize myself and not focus on something that is probably another 20 years into the future, which sounds like fucking forever

[–]novalentineforyou1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All vaginal sex increases (even by a miniscule amount) risk of pregnancy and STIs. It also changes your brain. I'm not an expert on that last part.

[–]FrgElder-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the first thing that came to mind when I read the story. Basically OP was a 6 that fell in love with a 9 who didn't give a shit about her, but wanted to use her for fun in the mean time. A lot of the "relationship talk" questions she mentioned were probably extremely off-putting as well for the guy and threw up a few red flags for sure.

People always project their own ideas of attraction and motives onto the opposite sex. This goes for men and women. In this particular case this woman thought they were both falling for each other, because she was falling for him. She assumed they were of equal SMV; because women mistakenly believe they are equal SMV to partners they sleep with, despite the fact that they only date people across and up on the SMV scale (and only have quick hook ups with guys much higher). She thought that men do the same, and since he was hooking up with her it must mean he regards her as at least his equal. When in reality men date across or down on the SMV scale.

You get stable relationships when SMV is roughly equal and you reach an equilibrium point. Most optimally when the man's SMV is maybe 1 point higher than the woman's, to keep her hypergamy in check by limiting better options. When you get drastic SMV mismatches is when things like OP's story happen.

[–]FrgElder-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the first thing that came to mind when I read the story. Basically OP was a 6 that fell in love with a 9 who didn't give a shit about her, but wanted to use her for fun in the mean time. A lot of the "relationship talk" questions she mentioned were probably extremely off-putting as well for the guy and threw up a few red flags for sure.

People always project their own ideas of attraction and motives onto the opposite sex. This goes for men and women. In this particular case this woman thought they were both falling for each other, because she was falling for him. She assumed they were of equal SMV; because women mistakenly believe they are equal SMV to partners they sleep with, despite the fact that they only date people across and up on the SMV scale (and only have quick hook ups with guys much higher). She thought that men do the same, and since he was hooking up with her it must mean he regards her as at least his equal. When in reality men date across or down on the SMV scale.

You get stable relationships when SMV is roughly equal and you reach an equilibrium point. Most optimally when the man's SMV is maybe 1 point higher than the woman's, to keep her hypergamy in check by limiting better options. When you get drastic SMV mismatches is when things like OP's story happen.

[–]Patric_MasterBateman103 points104 points  (3 children) | Copy

"so I reply to his message hoping we can keep talking - no reply again. So at this point I’m like okay I think something else is up here. I get in my head so much and just felt so broken because I instantly fell for this guy"

Then she proceeds to freak out, drop off his stuff & throws a temper tantrum. Because he doesn't reply. This is what we mean by red flags. We have a stage 5 clinger here boys

[–]geo_gan20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

Christ, didn’t think of that 😂 If she’s like that now can you imagine what she’d be like with a ring on her finger.

[–]pm_me_tangibles10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fuck man that’s a real horror story

[–]chadchadovsky141 points142 points  (7 children) | Copy

I've seen this happen so many times... You have to understand that guy surely had at least 3 points higher SMV then her(so her hamster figures they are a match made in heaven).

If you are on the same level(or even slightly above) this won't happen, not even close. She has 10 other options that are on "her level".

Average guy(5) on the other hand wouldn't even get a date with 3 points hotter girl. Not even online conversation, she would probably think he is a fucking creep for trying to talk with her. But because she has a vagina... 2k upvotes, poor little thing.

[–]sensual_predditor47 points48 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think you nailed it. yas queen meets Real King and doesn't understand why he wanted Real Queen

[–]Prometheus4441 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That made me laugh, well played.

[–]bakamoney16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

3 points higher SMV

hamster figures match made in heaven

Too real.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

An 8 girl will let a 5 guy buy her dinner if shes bored and has school loans to pay

[–]chadchadovsky21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

No, she has a bunch of 7s for that purpose. As a 5 you literally don't exist in 8s world, sorry.

[–]Sickem_roy4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

This rating people shit is dumb as fuck. You are already putting the pussy on the pedestal. Oh she’s better than me, she’s a 7.25. Who gives a fuck, she’s either down to bang and if not it doesn’t matter.

[–]Prometheus4441 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Scaling is important, helps sift out the bullshit.

[–]Lateralanouncer181 points182 points  (42 children) | Copy

He meet her, fucked her. She wasn’t good enough to keep.

The de regulated sexual market place is hard on both sexes. It seems to be the “nice “ guys and girls that suffer the most.

[–]Gearski49 points50 points  (5 children) | Copy

I don't know if I'd classify this girl as nice, she fits pretty comfortably into the whore category, she clearly met a guy with a far higher SMV, tried to keep him around with pussy, failed and threw a tantrum. Run of the mill low value female.

[–]lala_xyyz14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. A dozen more encounters like this, and she's 30+, bitter about men, physiologically incapable of pair bonding and redirecting unfulfilled motherly instincts into pets. A story old as time. Bitches think they can do better in the SMP that they deserve, but they end up being a cum dumpster.

[–]KingOfPomerania9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, sounds about right. The amount of women who overrate their SMV to the point that it becomes delusional entitlement is out of control. They just can't get it into their heads that their pussy isn't the magnificent prize that they think it is, and that guys with high SMV aren't exactly desperate to stay around for 2nds!

[–]askmrcia7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I know a 38 year old woman who is just this. She sleeps around A LOT because she keeps trying to use sex to get guys well above her SMV to commit. Every guy she sleeps with KNOWS this. They aren't stupid.

So after every time she gets pumped and dumped she drinks and rants to our friend group how all guys are assholes. However, there is one "beta" guy who actually wants to be with her. He asked her out multiple times and she friendzoned his ass.

All of us are thinking this dude is a good dude, has friends, has a dad bod and would be perfect for her.
He is on her SMV. Noooooope she don't want him. She's crazy depressed, but oh well it can't be helped.

On the flip side, I've seen first hand on how she treats good guys. Like OP, these women treat decent guys like absolute shit and then cry victim when they don't get their way.

[–]Field_Of_View0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

However, there is one "beta" guy who actually wants to be with her. He asked her out multiple times and she friendzoned his ass.

All of us are thinking this dude is a good dude, has friends, has a dad bod and would be perfect for her.

Oh man, this is awful. have you tried talking sense into him? I wouldn't "redpill" him (could backfire for you if he rejects it), but use targeted questions to get him thinking about how much of an entitled slut she is and that there are metrics other than looks by which he could do better. If he's looking for traditional relationship then obviously a younger, more loyal woman is what he should be chasing, not an old whore.

[–]Truedemocracy572 points73 points  (34 children) | Copy

It sucks for anyone interested in a relationship tbh. I'm a top 5-10% guy and found myself getting exceptionally picky due to dating apps. Additionally, women have sex within 2-3 dates you dont have to commit much. She doesnt put out (rare)? Then find a new one and repeat.

[–]teabagsOnFire 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

>women have sex within 2-3 dates

More like 0-3 dates if we want to be precise

[–]BumblingBeta2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Isn't Tinder all down to looks? So when you say top guys run this society, you mean good looking guys run this society?

[–]BumblingBeta1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Isn't Tinder all down to looks? So when you say top guys run this society, you mean good looking guys run this society?

[–]BumblingBeta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Isn't Tinder all down to looks? So when you say top guys run this society, you mean good looking guys run this society?

[–]BumblingBeta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Isn't Tinder all down to looks? So when you say top guys run this society, you mean good looking guys run this society?

[–]selfeduhated33 points34 points  (26 children) | Copy

If you are a top 10 guy you shouldn’t really be using dating apps mate the real quality is off that crap.

[–]basilisk_girth70 points71 points  (22 children) | Copy

I have a friend who says the same thing and can’t even get a 5 to show up on a date, he also says he is “top 5%”.

Honestly guys lmao, if you were top whatever you wouldn’t even be on this sub.

[–]majani19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol, probably one of those guys who's mostly measuring himself financially

[–]Truedemocracy50 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nah, just match with every girl I swipe right in.

[–]KingOfPomerania3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly guys lmao, if you were top whatever you wouldn’t even be on this sub.

Depending on how we're defining "top 5%" here, that's not necessarily true. If we're defining it by looks, money, confidence, social power etc then there are plenty of blue pilled alphas out there who need to be redpilled. They can get laid or find a relationship incredibly easily, but can't manage the relationship once in it.

[–]Truedemocracy53 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy

Pretty pathetic and defeatist mentality.

[–]basilisk_girth8 points9 points  (15 children) | Copy

Are you a Hollywood actor bruh or you are self proclaimed “top 5%”? I don’t get why people rationalise their SMV, your answer is going to be something like, “No, but in [insert closed-environment/subculture] I am “top 5%”” it’s just rationalising your SMV by telling yourself that you live in a different reality than real top tier men.

This isn’t about alpha vs beta, this is SMV, so answer that question yourself, are more famous even than an up and coming youtuber?

You might say, “I have mommy told me I’m handsome looks” but so do we all, it does not make you “top 5%” nor does “money which people don’t know about”.

Top 10% men have obvious SMV, they may not be alpha but their value is unquestionable. They have no time to be on a sub like this for hours/days/months, they get high value women’s attention effortlessly.

[–]Truedemocracy51 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

lmao dude you clearly dont live in reality, what are you 19? An up and coming youtuber? lol wtf. That's like saying "can you bench press 300???", in regards to SMV fame is just a component as is fitness and everything else. The only one rationalizing here is you rationalizing that you cant improve your SMV from what Im assuming by your posts is currently a pretty meager position.

This sub is all about boosting ones SMV. Yea, I agree the average Redditor has low SMV - but to act like posting on TRP is a disqualifier for being a top 10% man is an absolutely pathetic mindset. You think you need to be famous to be top 5%? Wrong.

Celebrities known for fame are top fraction of a percent. Top 5% can be unobtainable for most men. But ALL men can be top 20% and many, likely yourself included, can be top 5% but choose to make excuses instead.

So curious to hear what yours are

[–]basilisk_girth2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

When I say up and coming YT I don’t mean some punk, I saw some of the girls a hip hop journalist gets now and even he acknowledges that it is the fame from YT that got him there, he has access to Instagram models etc. This is because he has more value to them now, these platforms allow you to grow in popularity we live in 2019 now not Nineteen Ninety Nine.

[–]Truedemocracy51 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yea, they sure do. Your point? There's many ways to the top

[–]basilisk_girth3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

At a certain point (around 10%) it’s only fame that separates the best from the rest, not money, not frame, not how alpha you are etc and that’s what top 5% really is, there is nothing stopping both you and I from getting there but what I said is the harsh reality.

The only way around that is to rationalise your SMV and tell yourself that you are separate from other men and live in a vacuum where everything is fair. Acknowledging this fact will only move you forward not backwards.

[–]Variatiion0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

If all men can be in the top 20% it's no longer the top 20%..

[–]Truedemocracy50 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

And? All men can be top 20%. Most don’t want to put in the effort or don’t know it’s possible

[–]Variatiion0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh yeah, I misinterpreted what they said.

[–]Dafe8 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

This is just silly. Do basic arithmetics and you realize that being top10% is extremely easy to acchieve if you put effort to it. What you mention sounds more like top 0.1% of SMV which obviously means you are absolutely blowing up on Tinder and other apps.

However, lets just talk about America and top 10%, even though I don't live there. There are 150 million males, which means top10% is about 15 million dudes. 15 million. Do you have that many famous people in the country? No? Yeah there we go. In fact, top10% implies that if you have 40 person class in your highschool (I assume that's where you study currently), you'd have on average 2 top10% guys in your class if the distribution was totally random.

I'm sure you agree that SMV has multiple components in it, which could be e.g. looks, fame, wealth, social standing, education. If it has multiple components in it, it obviously doesn't require you to be top10% in every category to make top10% in the overall ranking. Afterall, there are obese celebrities, ugly lawyers, broke models....

This leaves 2 obvious ways to get into top10%. Huge "spike" in one category - extremely good looking, very famous, hugely rich etc.. Alternatively, more balanced approach where you are "good" in all categories but never excel in any. When you consider that you have obesity rate of 37.9% for males, it's obvious that just by being in shape, having decent face and above average job will rocket you pretty high in the SMV percentiles.

Now, what is actually required to slay is a different topic. Maybe you actually need to be in top 1%. I personally don't think top10% puts you anywhere near high enough level to slay comfortably.

[–]basilisk_girth 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Though for males you also have to group them by age as well, I am not American either. What you say about top 10% is what I was trying to emphasise as well. I personally think you can slay comfortably if you are top 10% because it isn’t limited to Hollywood actors (hence why I mentioned an upcoming YouTuber), you also have B list celebrities, guys who play in second and third divisions of sports, Instagram male models, popular guys on Twitter and of course guys who are just extremely attractive. To me that’s top 10%.

A list celebrities, ultra rich people etc that’s top 5% to me (especially if we factor in age, but don’t have solid stats).

These high benchmarks only help to ask yourself which other avenues you can use to raise your SMV, not to give up as what the original commenter thought I was saying.

[–]DF-RP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nearly anyone can easily work themselves to top10% if they set that as their goal. And improving your SMV should definitely be a goal, if women are of any importance to your happiness.

It is incredibly easy to reach top10% as a "regular dude" with no hideous deformities. Getting top 5% body is doable over few years for anyone that has money for gym membership, time, and commitment. Good career and social standing is also something you can work and build if you just put the effort into it. Fashion sense, game, and even fame are something you can generate. Being best out of a group of random 10 people is easy. Especially when in all likelihood you'll have 0 or at most 1 competitor in that group. Rest are happy to munch their doritioes and play their videogames and complain about how boomers fucked millenials over.

However, what you say about top10% and top 5% is just huge overexaggeration. In all honestly, regular guy who is in shape, is over average height, and has a "professional career" is already in all likelihood top 10%. If we think about A list celebrities and "ultra rich people", that's probably at most around 10,000 dudes altogether in US, which by itself is already likely an exaggeration. 10,000 dudes out of, lets say 75 million relevant age guys would be top 0.013%, not top 5%. Of course the top 0.01% is going to slay like crazy.

[–]Truedemocracy510 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol wrong. You can do both. But pull open Hinge and have 700+ matches of thin, fit, young college educated women waiting for me? Yea it’s too easy

Apps are FOR top men

[–]SalporinRP11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why? If you're just trying to bang hotties then dating apps is a good place to find them as a top 5% man.

[–]letsgobish29195 points196 points  (0 children) | Copy

Girls do this to guys all the time but can't stand it when a guy does it to her. Sorry sweetie but you're not entitled to a relationship.

[–]mortalcoil1143 points144 points  (18 children) | Copy

Straight up lying to a girl by saying you want a relationship then ghosting her is a dangerous game in the year 2019. You never know if somebody is going to cry rape. All it takes is one jealous friend to convince her that she was raped after the fact, or a puritanical mother... and with cancel culture, even if you beat the charges, it could still ruin your life.

[–]nobody_thinks102 points103 points  (4 children) | Copy

exactly dunno how this is considered good game in the me-too era and it is completely unnecessary. Guy obviously has high SMV; could have played it cool and kept this girl happy and in a rotation without all of this drama.

[–]Gearski52 points53 points  (1 child) | Copy

He probably was planning to plate her before she flew off the handle and displayed all her red flags, then ghosting became the only viable option.

[–]cat_magnet28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea sounds like she got real clingy, real fast.

[–]bakamoney11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well "like" was the best word the guy used so it looks her own hamster overdrive if anytging.

[–]Seishuu1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

right on this post is stupid af for presenting this dude as a rolemodel

[–]E_Anonymous42 points43 points  (7 children) | Copy

Yeah this guys real problem is he laid down some pretty beta shit, aka comfort. Yeah I like you a lot too, yeah let’s do this again, then proceeds to meet the next day

I’d never try to meet up the next day with a same day internet lay.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

my game is to make it 100% clear from beginning to end in my behaviour, my words, the stories i tell and the way i carry myself.

that i am literally looking for nothing more than casual sex and a couple laughs.

and it works perfectly... I almost never have ONS girls bothering me again. it's a beautiful thang. everybody knows whats up and we get to business and then be on our merry way.

i come across as the attractive loser who is a terrible long term prospect but is fun for 1 night. in fact one of my biggest problems is that my ONS girls DON'T stick around when i want them too cos of my vibe.

lesson learned, if you wanna avoid problems.. be the guy who's literally not good for anything but sex :P

[–]1XtoDoubt0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I'm curious, do you go for the ONS because you have a thing for new girls? Pulling a new girl is not easy, is it really worth the hassle for a ONS? Not judging, just trying to understand. I try to plate a girl if I have sex with her.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

pulling new girls is very easy if you work on your game and internalise the right beliefs. for me it took hard work to get to the point where pulling is easy but now that i'm here, pulling is never a struggle. I don't always get laid when i pull keep in mind but actually pulling a girl home is pretty easy now.

also as far as plating, I just don't really have the urge to plate girls because i have a pretty low sex drive so i don't really have the motivation to maintain the relationships for just sex. UNLESS, i like their personality in which case i'll wanna see them again but that's not for sex, that's to date them to be honest.

[–]1XtoDoubt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What is your N count? I'm extremely suspicious of anyone who said picking up a new girl is easy. Outside of very specific examples like a list celebs, this isn't reality. The best puas on earth would not say picking up a new girl is easy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

my vaginal sex, N count is around 30. but then there's a bunch of girls where i got LMR for actual sex but they still gave me oral and shit.

like 20 of those girls were one night stands.

that was in 3 years of learning game. started as a virgin.

The first year of game being a complete crap shoot where i was literally playing a numbers game and doing a lot of drugs and drinking and not really learning. i got laid then because of luck when i just approached enough times. in the first year i would have massive dry spells and generally sucked and had no idea about inner game. so basically in my first year i had no game, just approaching. it was VERY hard to pull new girls at that point. probably fucked like 8 girls.

in my second year i still kinda sucked and had no real frame but i was starting to understand game, socialising, social ques adn shit. I started pulling a few hot girls. banged a couple 8s and one 8.5 and met my GF who was also an 8. My game was not internalised and each of these hot girls i banged was with a decent bit of effort (long dates, long drawn out pulls) probably got with 10 that year. was very intermediate that year. my results were very inconsistent, still had big dry spells and i was still a dweeb with no frame on the inside. BUT, just through having experience and game understanding mixed with some luck... i got some very nice results. but i'll admit it took a lot of effort although i was actually going out less this year than the previous.

Now the third year is where i started looking into inner game stuff and it all clicked. i actually started to become the guy instead of faking it till i make it. Now generating attraction and shit became easier than ever. now i pull girls with minimal effort, i just talk to them, chill out and it just becomes a pull naturally, it's a smooth operation. my results have become consistent finally and all the effort i have to put in is approaching and the rest flows naturally.

I pull about 50% of the time i go out now. it's pretty insane actually. keep in mind i don't always fuck them cos LMR happens sometimes but i always get something out of it and there's always the option to plate them.

funnily enough i actually had less actual sex in the third year but i pulled A LOT, i was also going out less tbf. cos i focused on the hotter girls and they tend to give me more LMR. so i've pulled easily 20 hot girls this year and it was minimal effort but i'm still working on frame to actually convert it to same night sex (i mostly ended up banging them on second meet ups if i did at all etc.). but pulling 6s and 7s is easy af now, that shit takes like no effort. I mean i'll spend the whole night chasing the hot girls and if nothing works out i'll take home the 7 who i talked to for 5 minutes cos she's just available and the SMV difference in my behavior is enough to facilitate it. i've done this so many times this year it's insane. party all night... don't get any hotties... talk to a girl who's a 7 for 15 minutes at 2.30am when i'm tired, go home and fuck. the vibe is just their cos my inner game is dialed. she knows i'm above her SMV and there's no downside to fucking me... so she's like "eh why not" then boom.

so be suspicious of guys who say picking up hot ass girls is easy cos they probably do have something going for them like money or very good looks OR VERY tight game which tbf is actually not unachievable... i'm on my way there.

but just getting a decently looking girl (a 6 or a 7) to plate to get your rocks off is a walk in the park if you work on your game.

if you're wondering why my N count isn't that high for all the big boi talk of my third year of game, it's because I made my focus more on quality than quantity. when you aim higher.. you fail more.

p.s. i think the reason (through a red pill lens) that my strong frame makes pulling 6s and 7s easy is because when you display high status behavior with no chinks in your amour, it solidifies you're SMV as high. you have a lot of congruence. so literally 20minutes of convo with a 7 at the end of the night will make her think "yep, he's fuckable". i guess what i'm saying is that a very congruent frame is almost as tangible as good looks and it makes girls sure of you very fast. at least girls with a lower SMV who don't shit test as much.then again maybe i'm talking shit, it's just a theory.

[–]niceguyputin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How do you find the trade off though? You can’t pull without establishing comfort, can you?

[–]E_Anonymous0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah you need some kind of rapport. I’m just saying telling a girl you have feelings for her (if that’s what he said, we’re going by her words here), hanging with her the very next day etc all imply he’s into having a relationship with her.

He should have created more room after that night. Never mentioned that he “liked” her (but does he like like her?)

I’m sure she would have picked up a more casual vibe and he’d have a plate right now.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

stringing her along for several days is a defense against that - not a perfect defense, certainly, but better than nothing. It puts her in a position of having to admit that the last sexual contact was weeks ago, and then there's all these fawning text messages from her afterwards. Several high-profile false accusation cases have been overturned this way.

You're right about it still ruining your life though. Just look at what happened with "mattress girl." The text messages were made public and she was begging him to fuck her again, and saying how much she missed him. Those messages (sent after the supposed rape) kept him out of jail, but his life was still ruined.

[–]baeslick9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

God you're right about cancel culture, it's too dangerous not to just abandon certain parts of the game even while playing it just to avoid the crazies, it's even worse when you accidentally get sucked into an abusive relationship, but I guess we all learn the hard way or through TRP

[–]_Icarus_Reborn_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's a concern at anytime in current year. Fella's don't even have to have slept with her and she could still cry rape.

[–]AlleyFrog960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's why you record the sex audio/video

[–]russian_nigger56 points57 points  (21 children) | Copy

seems like the dude just enjoys the boyfriend experience. i mostly act like a bf with girls i meet because i genuinely feel like that with girls and i enjoy the feeling. i guess most guys are not like this, but for me i like to experience the girl fully, so they fall for me almost every time thinking we're dating. i don't know how other dudes keep plates for so long, i usually end up ghosting after a short time because bitches get dumb and want exclusivity literally after just a couple times. but what can i do, i like all the gay shit aspects of the relationships without actually being in one and they don't get it.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (17 children) | Copy

Dude I get what you mean. It's the "love" feeling in short bursts with no real commitment. Kind of like playing house for a weekend. It's a kink like any other, but boy, it can confuse your partners.

[–]THE_EVIL_EYE_IS_REAL16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

I didnt know this is exactly what i like until you put it into words like this. Very relatable.

[–]russian_nigger9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

that's how I've always been with most women. if i like her, i genuinely like her and feel like doing all these things, but that doesn't mean i want her as a girlfriend necessarily. but they automatically assume they're in a new relationship. i get that they might get confused, but people generally discuss further plans of commitment beforehand and not just assume things, right?

[–]throwaway_alt_slo0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Thats my dillema. Should i play it as a date/bf thing to get sex, or be honest and tell that i just want some fuck (obv covertly)?

[–]russian_nigger0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

i think the answer is somewhere in between. i never lie to them and tell them that i wanna date or be a bf, but i treat them as if they were my gf, if that makes sense. i just don't know how to do it otherwise. i like that shit.

[–]throwaway_alt_slo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like dat shit too, but i dont think i can get it with playing casual

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think it all comes down to knowing what you want.

the self is always coming through.

meaning if YOU know EXACTLY what you want... then it will be very very obvious to the girl as well.

i think what confuses women is when the guy doesn't actually fully know what he wants.

put it this way. when I go home with a girl knowing and acting like a guy who literally just wants sex and a good time. those girls NEVER text me or bother me after cos it's so abundantly clear by how i act that i'm the "fun guy for one night". those pulls are literally just 3 hours of self amusement with me and the girl laughing our asses off, followed by sex.

BUT when i take a girl home and i like her personality and actually could see myself going out with her, those girls frequently end up texting me after because my behaviour reflects my intentions regarding the girl. I open up a bit with these girls, pay more attention to what they have to say, actually talk about a couple things of substance. once again the self comes through and these girls can tell I'm really into them.

i should also add that in situations where i have been confused about what i wanted.. or when i've been kind of fake... or slipped into different frames just trying to get laid. well those girls get confused lol... cos i keep adapting my personality to whatever will get me laid. this used to happen ALL THE TIME back in my early days of learning game.

in conclusion I think that women only get confused about your intentions.... when YOU are not 100% sure of yourself and your intentionss. IME anyway.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Excellent point. But like dude said above, GFE feels really good, but to your point, maybe some of us are acting fake to get it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i used to do the GFE with girls all the time and it did get me laid.

GFE feels good but it's like a dirty high IMO. it's like you're using her for validation, it's just icky to me. Like i remember i used to do it with girls and get all deep and emotionally connected on a ONS with a girl. it felt good but in the same way that snorting coke feels good, you KNOW that it's bad for you cos it's like escapism. you're almost using them as an emotional tampon in a way. maybe you relate to this? if you do that would be interesting. would be interesting to hear your perspective on it.

now I'm almost always the who is literally just on some pimp shit and girls fuckin love it. cos you're so fun to be around it's like pure alpha haha. and it's so much more fun than being all deep and shit. it's just living life. added bonus being that girls KNOW you're not a long term prospect and they are A-ok with it.

also if you wanna hear a funny story. with my ex girlfriend, it was just obvious from the beginning that she was on my level so we just naturally went into relationship mode just like the guy in this story. in fact our second date was on valentines day so go figure hahaha (I invited her knowing the implication of doing it on valentines day but with some girls it just feels right). but it was all legit because we ended up dating for over a year.

[–]red2hilt0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

we could probably clear this up in this sub. don't the endorsed contributors say stuff like we define reality?

So probably a stern and serious sentence early in the encounter: "Listen, I might be treating you like a girlfriend but it's just how I roll, OK?" (Seriously, not in a teasing way.) And then she nods and accepts your reality. Or something.

anyone who knows what they're talking about what to chime in on this? The sidebar says to be clear.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

You build the relationship you have with a girl, whether that's plate fwb LTR or marriage. They're all built on your choices and direction.

I have plates that have stuck around for over a year because I am fun sex guy when she wants it, and I've established the frame that we're not emotionally invested in each other. She didn't believe at first that SHE wasn't looking for more, I had to lead her there. Now she thinks it was her idea in the first place, and I can fuck her 1 to 3 times a month no problem, no callback, no commitment. Even when she has LTRs, she still comes over.

Point of the anecdote is lead and the right ones will follow or break. Break might be a week, 6 Mos, or never.

[–]red2hilt0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

This is kind of what I was looking for, but does it work in the other direction:

seems like the dude just enjoys the boyfriend experience

Meaning that even if you see each other weeks/months apart, when you do, you act like you're approximately declaring love, lots of snuggling and boyfriend/girlfriend stuff of every description. Meet each other's family etc.

That would be very confusing to a girl, so I was hoping through clear communication, a guy could get that but without an actual relationship.

Your examples aren't so much about the "boyfriend experience" while defining strict limits. So your reply covers something a bit different.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I personally think a dude who wants that and seeks it out (esp OP of this comment chain who admits it always blows up plates) is a validation whore who needs to feel like the woman is falling in love. The root cause is usually a need to be "pursued for a relationship".

[–]red2hilt0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Good perspective, thanks. Do you think it's possible/sensible/fair to do girlfriend stuff (going swimming, going to a show, cooking for/with each other, walks, picnics etc) with more than one woman at the same time (on different days) or if someone has an LTR like that then they can only maybe have mostly just sexual side plates (whether or not LTR is aware), but not several concurrent LTR like that. (But maybe you find the activities I just listed are gay and "why would you do that with a chick you're already regularly fucking")

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Not at all is it gay. There are a lot of fake alphas and TRP lites on the forum who espouse extreme views about the subject, but here is the breakdown. I will probably expand this into a post because I've seen so much confusion recently.

Plate - a purely sexual relationship maintained with multiple women. You went on dates with her to secure the plate relationship, but now have a firm booty call style understanding where you hit each other up for sex and both parties are fine with that. Plates can and will try for more commitment, time, and effort - some after 2 weeks, some not for a whole year or more.

Key notes - if you have just one, she's not a plate. Plates break, because not all women will tolerate this setup regardless of your SMV or frame (but high SMV and strong frame correlates heavily with them sticking around).

FWB - A sexual relationship with some sort of implied or explicit emotional intimacy, but not exclusivity. FRIENDS is a key part of the initialism. A fuzzy middle ground for sure, but once you have a true plate rotation one or more of them will sort of emerge into this role naturally. FWBs are the type of good company you don't mind staying the night, go to concerts or even vacations with, etc.

Key notes - FWBs are usually mistakenly referred to as "main plates"

LTR - a committed, exclusive girlfriend. You and her agreed to this setup and both stick to monogamy.

Key notes - if she is your only girl you fuck and you're not pursuing other women, she is your LTR by default.


ADVANCED TRP STARTS HERE

OLTR - Open LTR. A one sided exclusive relationship where the girl is monogamous to you, but you are not to her. You otherwise do girlfriend stuff with her but fuck other women.

Key notes - OLTR means you have one girl in this status. OLTR can actually take a few forms, mine is bi and we share girlfriends ie we are hunting for FWBs together essentially. Other dudes run it where their OLTR is their ONLY emotional intimacy (and their OLTR girl wants/needs that) but they fuck plates with OLTR's consent.

MLTR - multiple OLTRs. The girlfriend experience squared, essentially.

Key notes - MLTR is usually done by guys who for whatever reason want girlfriend tier treatment (including exclusivity by various OLTRs) and like to invest a decent amount.

[–]red2hilt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

this is interesting but you leave out genuine "friends" who you do some sexual things with. I think the thing that actually makes them a friend is that you would still be hanging out without the "benefits" and also, I think, unless a FWB falls for you, it's not really intimate like that (emotionally). I don't mean in a "beta mating strategy" way of being a fake friend, I mean you do projects together or (as you mention) take vacations that are not at all about sex, and you even still both meet up (and don't have sex) if you each have a girlfriend/boyfriend at the time.

Often FWB's turn into one or hopefully both of each other falling for each other, and sometimes they then get married etc and it's great. The turning point in such a case, in my opinion, is if there is an emotional aspect that is unlocked. If there isn't that emotional intimacy then it would remain FWB.

what do you think of this perspective? I do realize that many TRP-ers think that women just can't be any kind of friend, they're just all boring etc, but I don't find this the case at all.

do you think the "friend" in FWB can be an actual friend or is it a misnomer? I realize in many cases it's a misnomer and they're really more "fuck buddies".

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you fuck and there is some level of involvement you're fwb. If you don't you're friends. If you fuck but are disconnected emotionally she is a plate.

[–]Adeus_Ayrton0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The proverbial cat playing with the mouse.

[–]Praecipuus3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm exactly the same, and treat all my girls as girlfriends.

Actually I don't even feel like having sex if I don't get the girlfriend vibe out of the relationship I have with them.

Casual sex isn't for me. Nothing beats the high you get from getting hard because of emotional attraction.

[–]randomTATRP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

so if you have plates you treat them all like they're a single gf to you?

[–]Praecipuus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, minus the part where I'd actually tell them I'm their boyfriend.

[–]l4w_z0ne23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy

Other posts by this girl:

"Just booked my therapy session" and "Why do I feel like I always need a boyfriend."

Yupp. Bloke dodged a torpedo.

[–]mrbluesdude10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

To play devil's advocate at least she's trying to understand and improve herself, more than could be said for a lot of women.

[–]mrbluesdude0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

To play devil's advocate at least she's trying to understand and improve herself, more than could be said for a lot of women.

[–]AhIndeed20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well written and a solid reminder of game principles

[–]CainPrice18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think we've misinterpreted this situation.

The standard tinder/bumble dance is that the guy pretends he's open to more than just sex, the girl pretends she's not the kind of girl that normally fucks on the first date, they fuck on the first date, then they both just kind of don't text each other again. This is the basic tinder/bumble story.

The woman in this post is most likely a bumble veteran. This wasn't her first bumble date ever. She knows how this goes. She's done exactly that with guys before. But this specific time, she's angry. What makes this specific time different?

This guy wasn't some awesome alpha who made her lose her senses and believe every word. This time, the guy was a little bit beta. She thought she'd found a boyfriend prospect for real, not just an alpha doing the standard tinder/bumble dance. She thought she'd found a guy who didn't know the game that she could win over.

This guy was probably a point or two less than her usual hookups. You can tell this because he didn't kick her out post sex. And because he texted the next few days instead of just vanishing. He's not comfortable being a real asshole like an actual player. He's half-assing it. You can also tell that he's a bit beta by the way she used real-talk and directly made him say that this wasn't just sex. Real talk is for betas, while talking in casual sex code is used with alphas.

She's not angry because some alpha got away. She's enjoyed casual sex with guys like that before. She's angry because some slightly beta guy tricked her into casual sex.

[–]Uesugi198915 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

More likely she was the second choice ( or 3rd, 4th, whatever ) from the beginning. I am sure that the girl who posted this had other guys as the second and third choice as well. The difference is that we guys just fuck the lower choices while girls just string them along

[–]colcrnch18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think you’re reading too much into this. He probably just doesn’t like her that much. He isn’t planning his aloofness. He isn’t gaming her. He’s just not that into her. We’ve all met women who are good enough for a shag and not much else more.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. Maybe he was attracted to her pictures and then she showed up in person and her butthole stunk

[–]the_green_grundle2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You don’t really know what his intentions are. Regardless, it’s a good reminder. These day guys will get attached simply because they’re starved for sex.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's not that she fucked on the first date. It's that she had less long term potential than girl number two.

Don't think for a second that her replacement didn't ALSO fuck within the first two dates.

[–]3whatsthisgarg4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not that she fucked on the first date. It's that she had less long term potential than girl number two. Don't think for a second that her replacement didn't ALSO fuck within the first two dates.

That's it exactly. If the replacement better long term option did not fuck by the second "date" he would likely go back and fuck the first at least one more time before ditching her for good.

That actually would have been worse for the first girl in the long run, so the second girl did her a favor by putting out. This is why they should put out as soon as possible, it's better for everybody!

[–]Balderdash790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"I don't judge a woman based on how quick we fuck."

"I judge her by how she acts after."

[–]LukesLikeIt27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

While this is literally what girls do to men in a 90-10 ratio she still sounds alright and her feelings are understandable. Doesn’t change anything though she’d have no sympathy for any guy she’s done this too

[–]nobody_thinks33 points34 points  (20 children) | Copy

I see a few glaring errors in this guy's game.

1 who spends the entire weekend with a plate the first weekend you meet her? This sub-communicates commitment (and desperation). If we take her at her word (I know)

We both told each other we were very into this and wanted it to continue ... I go back to his house again and we talk more and he tells me he likes me.

2 bizarre texting

We talk lots over text over the next couple days and then all of a sudden he stops replying.

To me this is nice guy two-faced bullshit. SNL a plate, send her home. Next day one text "had fun see you soon".

3 Reputation hit. You don't introduce a girl you don't know to your social circle because now she knows your "friends". With a woman this pissed and any resentful / jealous betas in your social circle and this can mean a reputation hit in the future.

If you are a high value man, there is simply no need to be two faced about what you want from women.

[–]muricanwerewolf128 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

The rules don’t matter if you’re ridiculously good looking. You can do whatever you want. I mostly agree with you except I don’t think this guy was even running game, he’s just doing whatever he wants, saying what he thinks she needs to hear. After, when he’s moved on (very good looking people can have multiple prospects falling over themselves to meet up the next day) when this girl tries to come at him with her feelings he just bullshits her and hopes she goes away. There’s no consequences, because he’s “high value” enough that he doesn’t need to play the game.

[–]Truedemocracy530 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

tbh just likely an SMV gap where he was 2-3 points higher than her. Introducing a girl to your friends mid first date will scare most women off. Hanging out all weekend will show to a girl you have nothing else going on. Women will only tolerate this if you are decently above them SMV scale

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

tbh just likely an SMV gap where he was 2-3 points higher than her.

+1 for a simple read. Seriously. This.

[–]F_Dingo28 points29 points  (7 children) | Copy

rethink your entire analysis of this guy because you're flat out wrong about his game.

Social proof with friends, changing venues during dates, offering up availability (via text) and then taking it all away, the guy shoots down the girls drama INSTANTLY, blocks her on social media but lets her see he is with another gal, lastly the guy straight up ghosts her. He got a few bangs out of this, and created jealously to use for future bangs. I think he has some pretty solid game, she was on an emotional roller coaster the entire time.

I'll throw down $20 that the minute she gets texted by this guy she will be over at his place faster than you can blink getting the ole' in-out-in-out from him.

[–]nobody_thinks 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

I'll throw down $20 that the minute she gets texted by this guy she will be over at his place faster than you can blink getting the ole' in-out-in-out from him.

Only if she is a low value woman with no confidence.

[–]187oddfuture9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Deep down inside all women are low value with no confidence, just depends on the guy that’s hitting on them.

[–]nobody_thinks 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

there are street corner whores and there are high society gold diggers and there are women who will make good mothers.

two computers same hardware. one runs porn all day. one runs hardcore engineering calculations.

basically depends on how she was raised her culture what her father was like = what she will put up with, how deluded she is about her own value, if she is capable of submission etc.

[–]Gearski5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well he banged her literally within a couple of hours of meeting her, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say she isn't mother material.

[–]juddshanks25 points26 points  (5 children) | Copy

Agree, assuming that's an accurate account of whats happened, the guy is a weak dick.

If you're genuinely high value, you won't have to pretend to be interested in a LTR to get laid- which honestly is the easiest and shittest trick in the book, you're basically putting yourself forward as a beta bucks prospect and saying, 'sleep with me even if you aren't that attracted to me but want a LTR, because there's a chance I'll stick around.'

And if you're a genuinely strong, self confident man you'll at least have the balls to directly tell someone you want to cease contact with them rather than ghosting or faffing around with wishy washy messages.

The last part is what really sticks out to me. It's not remotely redpill to ghost without explanation- putting to one side the reputational risk, more often than not its just outright cowardice from beta guys who are afraid of an awkward and confrontational conversation- with a woman. I've always thought that as a basic moral rule, if you want to stick your dick in someone you should be prepared to at least tell them where they stand.

Part of being RP and developing a strong frame is about not needing to lie to yourself or others.

[–]Gearski1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I mean it's possible that doing the whole closure song and dance with her wasn't worth this guys time, he might've been genuinely busy, checked his phone and seen her blowing it up and went "yikes, next". I don't think it's either RP or not RP to ghost, I think it's situational and that you don't owe any girl closure, if she's a nightmare you absolutely have the right to just cut contact, why spend any more time dealing with crazy than you need to?

[–]juddshanks2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You don't need to draw things out and if they're bitter or try and turn it into a debate then sure, you're totally within your rights to stop responding after you've told them how it is.

But as a starting point, if you've fucked a girl, you've already invested some time and effort in them and they've invested some time and effort in you- if there's any uncertainty as to where its heading it's just basic good manners to let them know to not hang out for a further call if one isn't coming.

It's almost exactly like job application etiquette. If you invite someone for an interview and then decide to look elsewhere it's fair enough to at least let them know.

[–]Gearski3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see your point of view but this all assumes you give a shit about the person in question, all I got from the story is a natural alpha(probably no formal game just high smv) doing what he wants at every stage of the relationship and moving on when he either got bored, or interested in the next girl. This seems like a man with true abundance rather than a guy being an asshole on purpose, for her it was the highlight of her week/month/year/life/whatever, for him it was saturday.

[–]bestCallEver2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keep in mind he only "ghosted" her for a few days, he might have had every intention of hitting her up in a week or two if she hadn't gotten all butt hurt.

[–]esirnus186 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think we’re only seeing this chick perspective, for all we know she tailored the story the way she saw fit. She’s the hurt one and it’s none of her fault...etc

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

agreed. i think most of these games guys play comes from being too scared to make their intentions clear incase the girl isn't on board with their program. It's a pussy move and to be fair I don't think it's particularly nice to lead people on. even if girls do it all the time it doesn't mean you gotta 'get back' at their gender lol

[–]tenpointmatt13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

A+ analysis. I saw this post today and tried to comment on it- only to find that I’m banned from yet another subreddit. What a wonderful and open minded platform.

I predict that in the near future girls will begin to understand that they are getting played by the dating app dynamic. In response, I suspect that there will be rollouts to “user ratings” features, allowing you to rate the guys you fucked (ironically kind of like that IASIP episode). Presumably to trash the top tier who are crushing pussy like the disposable commodity it now is, and allow women to “avoid the bad guys”. Of course, the sick twist is that a review trashing you as a player/heavy ghoster will likely make a top shelf profile even more attractive, appealing to her instinct to “tame the alpha”. What a world.

[–]Cha_Cha_cho6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Link to the post? Can’t wait to read the comments of the beta cucks

[–]foinf5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

By believing this story and analysing the game of the guy is in itself a contradiction of the RP principles. You are literally reading into what has been presented by her. And when i say presented, I mean heavily redacted, morphed and altered narration of things from HER perspective...you know..she dindu nuffin narration. If RP has not taught you to not trust a woman's one sided story by now and you take it as truth then...

Well, you haven't really swallowed the pill.

[–]Bensea1 1 points [recovered]  (34 children) | Copy

Most of these comments are weird man. He basically lied to her and then ghosted her. I understand this women do this to men but that doesn’t make it right.

Maybe it’s bc I’ve consistently got female attention my entire life but it seems like some of the people who are commenting have been burned so badly that all they want is revenge on women which tbh is some seriously beta shit. A lot of you aren’t alpha and just fake the funk. This twisted distorted mindset some of you have is making you seriously unhappy. I bet a number of you giving advice on women have never been in a truthful relationship without trying to control your partner. It’s pathetic. I don’t know what it’s like to be ugly or being burned by girls that badly but damn some of you need a grip on reality. And that’s that.

[–]LordFa923 points24 points  (5 children) | Copy

I wouldnt say he lied to her. She was just a ONS that got too clingy

[–]Gearski19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy

yeah important to remember we're only getting her side of this, the conversation could've realistically gone like

her: "yeah i really want a relationship, im not like the other girls"

him: "uhuh, yep, totally"

[–]Bensea1 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

He let her stay at her place while he was at work, he gave her his clothes to wear when she went home, introduced her to his friends, etc.

There’s a lot here. That convo may have happened just as you wrote it but he did a whole lot if his goal was to only get her in bed. Pretty sure you don’t need to have a girl invest in you that much to have her sleep with you.

[–]5Imperator_Red3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

And I’ve had girls invite me into their bed, make out with me, let feel them up, and then won’t let me fuck them.

There are no rules anymore other than not committing rape. We didn’t make things like this. We’re just reacting to reality.

[–]Field_Of_View0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

he definitely lied to her if he told her the reason he didn't text back for several days was that he was busy. that's bullshit. IF he ever said that.

[–]Ixrxxni 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy

You're a white knight. Girls manipulate, exploit and string along betas and pursue their sexual strategy to obtain Alpha commitment ruthlessly. Men should do the same of pursuing their sexual strategy ruthlessly.

[–]Bensea1 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

Bro what planet do you come from? 🖖🏼

I’d be surprised if you’ve ever gotten a woman to like you for you. All this game playing and crazy way of thinking would give me an endless headache. We’re not equivalent to the animal kingdom. Yes, there are similarities but damn the way you wrote that you’d think we’re living in a fucking safari

[–]5Imperator_Red2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I’d be surprised if you’ve ever gotten a woman to like you for you.

I get more angry reading every one of your comments. You are pulling every bitch move in the book. Now it’s “you must not be able to get laid.”

Get the fuck out of here. Reported for talking and thinking like a woman.

[–]Bensea1 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

I stand by what I said but I think you missed the entire point I was trying to make. Red pill has done wonders for ppl but the lack of moral compass is concerning especially since young men that come on here don’t know the difference and take all this reading to heart.

Everyone’s shitty decision to date a hot crazy chick has led us here. You pick a woman for the shallowest conceivable reason and then you say that there’s a problem with female nature. This is the problem with red pill. Everything is either black or white and that’s just not reality.

Just as women date the bad boy, men date the hot chick. We both get burned. It goes both ways and I’m critical of both.

Playing constant games is not a good way to establish a relationship, therefore a girl could never like you for you. If everyone would stop chasing garbage women maybe their opinion of them would change. Living your life as some unemotional robot who in reality has no idea what being a man is, is an awful way to live one’s life.

[–]modTheRedPike[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You don't understand the difference between amoral and immoral. You need to correct this problem. No one is telling people to be immoral. You are welcome to have whatever morals you want. Additionally, it isn't our job to give people morals. Therefore we don't traffic in morals in this sub.

This is the problem with red pill. Everything is either black or white and that’s just not reality.

That's just some seriously lazy thinking. You keep reading the words, but you aren't applying them to anything. Then you wonder why it makes no sense to you when it rubs your moral compass the wrong way.

I won't brook cheap platitudes and lazy bullshit. This is your only warning.

[–]mintylove0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Politicians steal all the time so I will steal as well.

[–]Heizenbrg 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Same I legitimately feel bad for the girl. Really weird attitude to spend an entire weekend with someone and then ignore the person.

[–]mountainbiker178-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

So I can't spend an entire weekend with a chick I just met?

[–]TwentyEighteen4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Mate you have no obligation to a stranger you just met, even if you had sex together. There was no relationship. Yeah it hurts and I understand her reaction, but there’s no non hurtful way to reject someone after you hooked up with them. Also, she made a mistake by expecting a stranger to commit to her in the first few days.

And your second paragraph is just a straw man fallacy.

[–]Bensea1 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Sure if you want to go about life this way. You have to be crazy to think that ghosting someone hurts less than just sending a text and say why you’re not interested anymore. He led her on. Plain and simple. Thru his words and his actions. He did a whole lot of work just to fuck her tbh. We’re human beings, not fucking monkeys in a jungle.

[–]5Imperator_Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude stop moralizing. It’s against sub rules.

[–]bluepillcarl7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Really you've never been ghosted before? You must be an anomaly.

[–]Due_Generi 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy

It's fine to treat pussy as a comodity. It's also fine to be respectful and whatnot.

Ultimately, trp is amoral, so don't push your moral beliefs on others.

[–]Bensea1 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy

Which is my only issue with red pill. Having no morals is the sign of a sociopath.

[–]5Imperator_Red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

The purpose of morality is to use social pressure to enforce some generally accepted standards of behavior that benefit everyone. But our society can’t even agree on what moral behavior is. So who’s morality am I supposed to follow? Mine? Yours? Hollywood’s? I genuinely don’t even know what is considered moral in relations between the sexes anymore. The only one that I’m certain of is not to rape.

So what is the point of following this code which no one is under any obligation to reciprocate, and isn’t even clearly defined?

[–]Field_Of_View0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The only one that I’m certain of is not to rape.

You say that now. Wait until they change the definition of rape in your country. Remember Sweden's bullshit case against Assange.

[–]Praecipuus2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

No one said you shouldn't have morals, only that they should be kept away from the discussions we have here, to keep things objective.

[–]linkinway-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

so as to encourage sociopathic behavior?

[–]linkinway-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

so as to encourage sociopathic behavior?

[–]linkinway-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

so as to encourage sociopathic behavior?

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Credit where credit is due. I was about to eviscerate your click bait bullshit post, but all of your top posts did very well in this space, so kudos.

That said, there is more "Where are all the good men" revenge shit going on here than I prefer.

[–]NovaSociete3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Its plain and simple: why would a guy invest in an easy slut that gives herself away that fast? (This is an indication for us that you’re unreliable and have loose morals). You devalue your worth and expect to receive respect from him? Get your shit together girl and develope some dignity.

[–]LordFa9-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're being too harsh

Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men commitment

Your role in the game is to get what the other party has preferably without giving away yours.

Thats the theory anyway.

Personally for me if i was the dude i'd be like "Yeah! She slept with me! Game. Is. On. Point!" I wouldnt think less of her because seducing her into fucking me is clearly my fault

I have no issue with seeing a ONS again. But standard plate spinning rules apply

[–]NovaSociete1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree that she has the responsibility in choosing who she lets “in” but its stupid to complain about being used by these kind of men while you yourself engaged in such self-destructive acts (if you really value who you share your intimacy with and have the intentions to bond with someone - meaningful long term relationship). Having higher standards prevents making these bad decisions, because women tend to be damaging themselves emotionally much more quicker than males if it comes to promiscuous behaviour.

In my culture its an unhonorable thing for women to have sex with men that dont even love them, dont want to commit or let alone dont want to marry and start a family. Its considered animalistic and useless to give your body away to a man that only wants to use you temporary and then throw you away like a streetdog (after he humiliated you in bed). We try to raise our daughters to become good loving mothers and wives, they are not meant to be fuck-objects of other irrelevant men that disgrace our family name.

[–]LordFa91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are thinking like a man would

In the regulated sexual marketplace the rules you outlined above apply, simply because the patriacy made it so

Now in the deregulated sexual marketplace women do whatever they want, in the heat of the moment, regardless of future consequences (see single mothers with >1 baby daddy)

As a redpilled man you have the knowledge of how the world works. What you want to do is up to you

[–]eskergion3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The moment she has some attention from a hot guy she instantly "feels a real connection".

She probably doesn't think of herself as a "slut", cause she only has sex with guys she feels a "special connection" with. Which happens to be any random attractive dude.

[–]2scared4mainacct9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Wait. Why would he delete her off snapchat and instagram stories?

Honest question, looking to learn and curious about this.

[–]Gearski17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

because "texted him a few more times" was probably more like 200 times and he didn't need that in his life, realised the girl was more red flags than green and ghosted her

[–]bluepillcarl8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

How did she know that he "matched" with a different girl on bumble?

[–]ngyuhnang9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you really think about it, it's really creepy

[–]mountainbiker1783 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I assumed that he must post pics of himself with other girls on IG.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe she asked his friends she met

[–]Sake992 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sex with her at your own place? Doesn't sound like a good idea. What if she got pregnant? You would have been screwed for life for child support.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

This was likely not someone on here -- because, it sounds like he was genuinely busy with his work week and life, and just straight up forgot to reply and had zero mental space going towards bitches.

Yall motherfuckers might achieve the same result, but you're "heh, I'm going to not respond for 3 days, oh shit dis bitch texting again, I better act busy."

Just be busy. Not every schedule-wise -- mentally. Have shit going on at all times such that even a great weekend fuck and promising plate becomes an afterthought. When you honest-to-god forget to respond to a bitch you'd have lost an limb to fuck back in the day... that's when you can stroke your ego about this shit. Of course, by then, you won't need to.

Manufacture scarcity, or be scarce. I spent years of my life not understanding the fucking difference. I mean, I knew the difference, conceptually. The bottom line is, just flat out be stratospherically be better than her. Be used to throwing better pussy away. Let them shits slide like your DMV registration you forgot to pay this year.

[–]dominicthetiger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, it feels very different not replying to my gf when I don't want to (when I'm being lazy) as opposed to when I literally have too much shit to do (actively pursuing my goals)

[–]thop894 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Guy in the story didn't had the balls to be straight up with her. Gave her the dating experience and dipped after fucking. It's kind of immature to obtain sex with trickery (lying he would start something serious with her). Why didn't he said to her he justs wants to fuck? I can tell you why. It proparbly would cost him his weekend fuck with her. So he played a game, scored and dipped.

[–]harryjonjr1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wait, doesn’t this show she’s NOT into the dark triad guy? He wasn’t ghosting her in the beginning, he was playing boyfriend from the start and then ghosted her.

[–]TwentyEighteen2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well this story is written from the POV of a woman, so don’t take it factually. She is describing the emotions she felt more than what really happened. I forget the source, but there’s this one study that shows women in ovulation mistakingly evaluate guys as long term material despite being short term material. Also I’d suspect his SMV is a lot higher, so he doesn’t lose much points for any beta behavior

[–]NormalAndy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Moral of this story: when you fuck a girl, keep your cool no matter what happens next. She'll try to shit test you by acting like it's the end of the world, but keep denying her attention and keep steadying the ship through the storm until it passes.

Just stay cool and hold frame- period.

[–]lux_71 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the "dark triad traits" are applied by your own willingness to see dark triads. I don't see any. Overall, great post though.

[–]ZealousFeet1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I notice a lot of confusion on this post. Some advocate this kind of behavior. And, others despise it. I'm indifferent. It's one strategy of many.

Guys, Dark Triad strategies aren't suppose to be a good thing for the girl. It's extremely short term. Hence the ghosting.

He played the game effectively, and the game isn't always forgiving. That's just a part of life. Instead of bashing the guy, learn from this and discard what you don't like to improve your own game.

[–]TwentyEighteen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know what you mean, but I would prefer a more smooth rejection, which is better for both parties. If you reject her hard, she may pull the rape card or show up to your house acting crazy or something.

[–]KingOfPomerania1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How many guys has she knowingly friendzoned I wonder? Women aren't entitled to relationships just like guys are entitled to sex.

[–]bakamoney2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every time she says "We felt , said ,hoped" its basically " I felt this , I thought this, and I was hoping for this"

Also she just got Alpha Widowed. Rip

[–]SeasonedRP2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

This guy is kind of beta. It's too soon to spend the day cuddling with this girl and talking about relationships. My take is that he was open to being sucked into a relationship with this bumble slut and it would have happened except that she went psycho with the texting and scared him off. He likely stopped replying when she started texting every 30 seconds talking about wedding plans or similar things. Note that he was engaging with her initially; she did something to scare him off. This would explain why he blocked her.

[–]cupshadow1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Betas take anything they can get, even a clingy girl would do.

[–]askmrcia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This guy is kind of beta. It's too soon to spend the day cuddling with this girl and talking about relationships.

This is her words. She said all of that to make herself feel more like a victim. They probably had some pillow sex for a bit and that was it. She framed it as them spending all day together because she was so in love. The latter sounds better to make herself look like the good guy and the guy look like the bad guy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I follow the /relationships sub for the lulz and saw this thread. Was such a facepalm read. The comments were, as one could easily predict, the normal chorus of "callous males in the dating game" and "you're a Queen!"

[–]geo_gan1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don’t have the self control for those fucking women’s subs, every single comment is just flame bait to me, and would get banned within a single reply as I explode with the shit I see.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's not a women's sub, plenty of men on there too lol

[–]BillyRedRocks1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably nobody here did this because you're all masturbating to a story about another man fucking a girl.

You're not even the one who experienced this, so it's not even a field report.

You're not watching porn, you're reading Red Pill porn and posting it here, at least next time insert yourself in the story so it doesn't sound so much like a cuckfest.

[–]gabeangelo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't see this as a good nor interesting case of study. He just promised her the stars, which any dude can do and then ghosted her after getting her pussy because he obviously never wanted a LTR, just her pussy.

He didn't do anything to get her "crazy for him" in purpose, just the classic Chad thing. Girl is not crazy for him, she's just so damn ego hurt for being ghosted.

Lying and deceit are both things I'm very against to and shouldn't be taught in TRP as they are cheap and coward as fuck. I'd rather tell the girl straightforward through my demeanour that I just want to bang and to not expect anything from me.

[–]Hombremaniac0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This reminds me of a few days old story I've heard from a reliable source.

Complete stranger contacts a woman via FB. Proceeds to send her messages with all the textbook bullshit, how he fell for her, how they could have the "right" relationship build on trust, respect...basically anything you can come up with, he texts her. Sadly even though (or perhaps right because of) she is around 35 y/o (divorced with 1 kid, still good looking - this is central Europe), she completely falls for it. Spent whole Saturday texting, meet on Sunday and fuck the whole day.

Then he ignores her for day or two, only to come back, saying he was busy with work etc, talking about her moving to his town, being introduced into his family etc. In the end she drives to see him....and he tells her creepy stuff like how he wants to watch her fuck his dad and other men. I mean that might have been his way of how to get rid of her, or he is simply a perv.

Not sure what is more messed up here. That she fell for complete stranger within one day of texting (is it the infamous wall speaking?), or that the dude tricked her like this (obviously, it was not his first rodeo). Both seems pretty bad, I guess...

[–]LordFa90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Post wall desperation i guess

Incredible as it may sound, some women do have low confidence and/or mark down their own SMV

[–]Seishuu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Low quality post. Wtf has this sub come to

[–]EvelynnSpoiler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I could never date a girl of whom we have sex on the first date. Even with "AWALT" in mind, if I fuck a girl before I develop feelings then I will get bored and fast

[–]Kabuki4310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Holy mfucking shit. I never realised but this is exact down to the T my standard ops.

[–]Don_Himself0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank God I just got a new bumble after being banned for the 5th or 6th time. shit about to be lit.

This is what I call CHICK CRACK GAME! NOT FOR THE FEINT OF HEART!

Dangling the commitment in front of her is MASTERFUL! My go-to nowadays. An idiot would have been like "yea Im just looking for fwb or fun". DUMB! thats like telling a girl you dont believe in horoscopes, fate, supernaturalz!

L!!!!

Do not make seduction an uphill battle for yourself by not sprinkling these little Chick Crack Extracts into your game fellas. they love this shit!

> Well it’s been a few weeks now and I found out that he matched with another girl on bumble and they are seeing each other.

how the fuck did she find this out? ew. but EZ threesome if OP is cute, and/or decent fuck. if shes uninspiring (which i suspect she is), expect this chad to keep her blocked.

and for ladies reading this: lesson here is dont be fat/uninspiring & boring in bed.

[–]NWDegenerate0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This guy could text her tomorrow or two month's from now at this point, give her some BS excuses that he doesn't even seem to into convincing her are true, and she will be over at his, panties dropped, in no time flat. Why? Because she is having to chase him and she isn't used to rejection and her ego will have to just to prove to herself that her pussy can still get that dick.

How much of a chance do you guys think there is that he will have her spinning for the next two years as all of the nice guys wanting to wife her are continuously dropped by the side of the road?

[–]Lefeudufou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like, we should analyze the posts from r/ relationships here, and discuss them in the comments.
OP, I agree with you on most points.

However, the guy's behavior is definitly both Dark Triad and very puerile. Who the fuck let's a plate sleep at their place after meeting her 48h prior? Lol, what a fool. This guy is messed up, who invests their time in a woman like this, just to forget her next week ?

[–]Xxenotrunks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Making a chick feel bad because you pumped and dumped her isn’t something to be proud of lol... how autistic are you bro?

[–]Xxenotrunks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Making a chick feel bad because you pumped and dumped her isn’t something to be proud of lol... how autistic are you bro?

[–]Lefeudufou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like, we should analyze the posts from r/ relationships here, and discuss them in the comments.
OP, I agree with you on most points.

However, the guy's behavior is definitly both Dark Triad and very puerile. Who the fuck let's a plate sleep at their place after meeting her 48h prior? Lol, what a fool. This guy is messed up, who invests their time in a woman like this, just to forget her next week ?

[–]Lefeudufou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like, we should analyze the posts from r/ relationships here, and discuss them in the comments.
OP, I agree with you on most points.

However, the guy's behavior is definitly both Dark Triad and very puerile. Who the fuck let's a plate sleep at their place after meeting her 48h prior? Lol, what a fool. This guy is messed up, who invests their time in a woman like this, just to forget her next week ?

[–]Lefeudufou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Test

[–]Lefeudufou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]Mouse17010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would like to know the age of these woman because it tells a little more about the details. Because age is is a indication of how many guys she possible has had and how many relationships she possibly been. Women like to hide details from men which is bad for us. Dealing with the unknown. By the way Ashely madison is great site to pick up horny chicks who want a fling you also know what your getting into. Just make sure you state that you are attached in the profile if you have to. hell lie if you have to But tread carefully in life there are two things you never mess with never mess with a another mans woman or his money unless you want to deal with the consequences that comes with that.

[–]Omnidempotent0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The guy pulled a bait and switch on her and she was justifiably upset. You incels need to grow up.

[–]Dittmerz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you, actually spot on what Im experiencing right now Felt good to read it

[–]McVaghunter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He is not a red pilled man!

TRP is not about promising women a future together and us this promise to get laid. He wasted a lot of time texting and conversing with her and this is not a red pill strategy. TRP is about leveling up your SMV and making girls see you as a sexual being, they should know you're the kind of man who expects sex and who will never commit to them, and they'll fuck you regardless of that simply because you're hot as fuck.

What this dude did is just manipulation, a low SMV man's strategy.

[–]heartbroken_nerd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The girl got hard nexted / rejected because her dream partner found someone better to play around with.

Sounds like Monday to me, but I am a man, so what do I know. This kind of heart-shattering stuff used to happen to me every other week. Then I just stopped caring and now it happens to the girls I meet instead of me.

[–]3chazthundergut0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This is a great post, but only inadvertently.

"Right off the bat this sentence tells you everything you need to know about the guy on a surface level. Bumble is an app that intimately rewards the top 20% men more than any other, because girls have to message first. Girls already have enough reluctance to go out with guys in a normal setting, so having a girl message you first means you absolutely must be a confident and attractive man. This dude probably has a chiseled bod, works out, dresses like a champ."

LMFAO.

This is what I keep trying to explain to you guys. This is why a big fat guy like me gets laid. So many of you are so self-disqualifying and treat pussy like an unattainable holy relic.

"This dude probably has a chiseled bod, works out, dresses like a champ."

Guess what kid? I've gotten laid off Bumble. Several times. And I am fucking OBESE.

You think it's hard to get drinks downtown, bring her back to your place, and have sex on the first date?

Stop being a pussy and go for it. Instead of analyzing some chicks emotional tampon

[–]JuiceyDelicious-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dude did pull a dick move. You smash her out all wknd, let her into your inner circle then ghost her? Yea not alpha at all. Alpha wouldve been communicating he moved on to someone else. Didnt have the guts to tell the truth, beta. Lucky she didn't cry rape or go full fatal attraction on his ass especially cause he knew where he rest at

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with you. Women use lies and manipulation to get what they want, that's their thing. Here we're supposedly raising alphas who don't have to manipulate because they have real high value. A true RP alpha should always speak his mind, and be consistent with his word.

The guy in this story is a slimy pickup artist, who didn't have the balls to properly reject the girl.

[–]Patric_MasterBateman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Any chance I could see the replies? I see 421. I want to read these!

[–]Field_Of_View0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

if you're banned in that sub can't you just log out of your account / use an incognito window to view the content?

[–]Spicychickenaholic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What traits specifically imply that this guy is DT.. being aloof from a girl is not in itself, DT. I don't really see anything DT about what he did. Maybe he was being intentionally Machiavellian, or more likely he's just actually high value and found some other hotter sloot. Or he just nexted her because she fucked her text game up.. who knows? Still don't see anything DT.

[–]Judger--4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

He lied to get pussy, fuck him.

[–]esirnus185 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, like women don't lie to get dick

[–]EdvardMunch-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man, I think im finally getting to that point of yeah these things are real but fucking hell this post vibrates early 20s. Good post kid.

[–]pacjax-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

if u smash on the first date then ghost youre either a tard or a beta male looking for a relationship.

[–]odue-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just a critical note on the side: I think the comments display a pretty one-sided view of the situation - in favor of the guy. I didn‘t see a single comment about the fact that his behavior - by telling her that he is serious about it, and that he really likes her - is clearly morally condemnable. This is lying directly into another persons face, just to get into her panties. Following the Red Pill concept, he would have been totally honest about his intentions and she could have chosen for herself if she was up to that.

[–]ElijahBurningWoods-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Isn't talking about what you want pretty beta? Aren't you considered to be a bit vage/mysterious?



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