I'll be blunt. I've only had men do random favors for me/acquired male "friends" after I became a 6.5/7. Before that men ignored me, and when I was ugly men were downright rude.
I've never seen a girl under a 6 with orbiters, and most of the time the girl is at least a 7 and the orbiters are significantly less attractive.
The orbiters are not only less physically attractive, but the girl is often also more popular.
One of my bffs from high school is a tall, slim, elegant, neatly dressed, blue-eyed blonde who was also intelligent and a good student, and for all of sophomore, junior, and senior year had a boyfriend, but she still had nerdy orbiters who would try to get in her pants. These boys were way less attractive and popular and borderline delusional about their chances (they thought that since she was intelligent and her boyfriend was intelligent and had a lot of nerdy interests she would appreciate their intelligence and nerdiness and leave her boyfriend for them even though her boyfriend was literally tall, dark, and handsome). This girl would straight tell them that she did not want to date them, but they still creeped on her.
There have been several other girls in high school and college who had many delusional, way less attractive orbiters like my bubbly high school honors classmate who did local modeling, my super extroverted classmate who is now an SEC cheerleader, my cute lab partner who had an orbiter who literally stalked her, etc.
All of these girls made it clear that they were not interested, had boyfriends, were more attractive and popular than the boys who persued them, but still tried to get these girls. The boyfriends of these girls would occasionally try to get these boys to buzz off, and then these boys would complain that the boyfriends were assholes (even though none of them were).
A lot of these men could have better chances at dating if they persued available girls in their league. However for do that these men should honestly assess how attractive they are, which men often dont do.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-instincts/201507/when-men-arent-good-looking-they-think%3famp
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