(Q4RP) How is child support theft?

Willow-girl · 2019-04-21T00:10:06+00:00

Men don't like paying for children unless they're sleeping with their mother.

reluctantly_red · 2019-04-21T00:30:18+00:00

While you're married you have almost no discretional income. Basically all of your money goes to your family. Then you get divorced, you start paying your alimony and your child support, and you find you have a TON of discretionary income.

Sure, while you're married she gets to spend all the money but you get to live in a nice house, sleep in a nice bed, watch movies on a big screen in the living room, and eat nice meals you didn't have to cook.

When you get divorced you end up living in a cottage that was a garden shed in a previous incarnation, sleeping on a lumpy uneven bed that is several inches shorter than you are, eating peanut butter sandwiches while watching a cathode ray TV you got for $5 at Goodwill. Seriously that was my life for a year and half after I was kicked to the curb.

Meanwhile my ex moved into her new guy's 750K house after he spent 40K upgrading the kitchen for her. He also bought her a brand new SUV, and a 40 ft class A motor home because she had mentioned she liked to go camping.

Barely-moral · 2019-04-21T00:43:53+00:00

I'll bite.

Parents are legally obligated to keep their children fed, healthy and educated. Everything extra that parents do for their children they do because they want to do it, not because they have the legal obligation to do so.

If we translate that to child support, parents should be legally obligated to pay the bare minimum ammount of money required to keep a child fed, healthy and educated. Not a single cent above that ammount. Every dollar above that number would be wrong to take, because parents are not obligated to pay for anything else, just for what is necessary so their children are fed, healthy and educated.

crackrocksteady7 · 2019-04-21T01:29:34+00:00

It's already established law that the government can take 1/3rd of your labor to give to the poor stupid people who get more and more of your labor the more kids that they have

taxation is also theft. if taxation and social welfare were up to men we'd have much less of both

Zippo-Cat · 2019-04-21T06:16:34+00:00

I find the phrase "child support is theft" laughable, but I think it's less about child support itself and more about supporting single mothers, who are almost universally single mothers only because of their own stupid decisions and lack of basic personal responsibility.

beachredwhine · 2019-04-21T04:51:42+00:00

Poisoning the well.

you may not have done so intentionally, having simply borrowed the framing.

If that is the case, you've borrowed from people seeking not to have a genuine conversation imo.

Because of how this starts, you have to unpack theft, which is going to require unpacking the role of government. good luck on that.

So please explain to me how exactly you paying some for your own kids is theft?

This makes me suspect you did not ask this question in good faith

Which is great now you can buy a new video card and max those graphics finally.

Statements like this add to my suspicion.

I suspect you already have the answer you want, and asked the question merely to sneer at folks that disagree with you.

You'd probably be better off asking the people making that claim. for what its worth its not a claim that I make, but your question is ridiculous, the cheap shots are obvious.

[deleted] · 2019-04-21T20:28:03+00:00

It is theft if she sperm-jacked the man.

It's also theft if she didn't bother telling anyone for years and she's making claims half a decade later.

PLUS, it's not just child support, but alimony too. And it rarely goes into taking care of the kid.

Funny enough, women who don't pursue maximal child support awards are the ones who spend most on the kid, while those who do are more likely to spend it on themselves.

the_duude_abides · 2019-04-21T00:24:50+00:00

I think it’s the default granting of custody to the mother causing the child support payments that bothers men. I know this is becoming less common today, but a lot of the guys on here seem older and may have been divorced a while ago.

I’m single and have no kids. But if my hypothetical wife decided to leave me, and forcefully takes my children away, and expects me to give her money, yeah I’d be pretty salty too. Like change my name and move to Thailand salty.

reddtormtnliv · 2019-04-21T00:54:54+00:00

I think most men are okay with paying child support. I think where the complaints come in play is that some men are held to have a job, or they go to jail otherwise, while the same standard isn't applied to women. Sometimes the best jobs aren't offerered and there isn't enough money to buy your graphics card. Also, child support seems to always be on the women's terms or the government's terms, and has no interest of the man in mind.

Bntt89 · 2019-04-21T03:23:44+00:00

This is stupid I’m glad you’re fine with being cucked, but not everyone likes losing their kids which is fucking everything to them. Then to add more salt to your wounds, this women uses the kids as a means to keep taking money from you. I don’t see how you can expect ppl to be ok with this.

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exodvs · 2019-04-21T03:56:39+00:00

My dad always told me that if two adults that are not know to be sterile are having sex, they might as well actively be trying to have a child. Child support is not theft.

ifeelfuckingterrible · 2019-04-21T23:36:04+00:00

So please explain to me how exactly you paying some for your own kids is theft?

Men pay child support for kids that aren't actually theirs too.

They also pay if they've been raped, or if their sperm was taken without their consent like fishing a used condom out of the trash or forging a signature at a sperm bank.

There is also no enforcement on the money actually being spent on the child.

So please explain to me why you think all of this is acceptable.

trail22 · 2019-04-21T23:38:36+00:00

Because its not going to take care of their kid. when you give a ton of money and when you see your kid the house you pay for is a mess and you see your ex going on dates with a bunch of guys...

zayelion · 2019-04-23T00:08:19+00:00

It's already established law that the government can take 1/3rd of your labor to give to the poor stupid people who get more and more of your labor the more kids that they have. Or to use your labor to make bombs that bring democracy to Iraq or to protect the opium fields in Afghanistan so the cia can sell heroin to us.

Current family wealth and personal innate intelligence. While in America oppression is ceasing, its had a generational and cultural effect to create pockets of economic traps beyond the control of the people in them, backwater towns, ghettos.

So how exactly is the government taking some of your labor to give to your ex baby momma so that your ownkids don't have as shitty of lives?

How is it anymore upsetting? Because it is more personal. The usual matter is that there is no oversight on whole the mans money is spent. You could want your children live in a middle-low neighborhood so they learn humility and the meaning of hard work, while also going to an upscale magnet school to get the best education. But the mother has the freedom to live in a low scale neighborhood, drive a fancy car, and spend the majority of the mans support on herself. There is little to no legal mechanism, she has full discretion. Odds are you feel her decision making skills are poor, or she showed she is selfish, and that is why you divorced her. This is legal exploitation of the male and children. It does happen.

Also being one of the actually is divorced, actually does pay child support, guys let me tell you how this actually plays out. While you're married you have almost no discretional income. Basically all of your money goes to your family. Then you get divorced, you start paying your alimony and your child support, and you find you have a TON of discretionary income. Which is great now you can buy a new video card and max those graphics finally.

That is your own fault for not setting personal boundaries about spending habits and giving her full access to your finances. Review the decisions you made that where wasteful for the sake of making your ex feel better vs the betterment of your children. As a man you should be able to afford without issue a two bedroom apartment/home, utilities, car, and the ability to cloth and feed yourself and one other. You should have 1/3rd - 1/5th your income left over after that.

Meanwhile your ex wife will be ok, and your kiddos will do alright, because you still have to take care of your own kids.

So please explain to me how exactly you paying some for your own kids is theft?

Because more often than not the mother is benefiting indirectly at best, and at the expense of the children at worst. Its theft from the children, its theft like when a tax paying immigrant's children go to public school.

ScootsScoots · 2019-04-24T12:25:47+00:00

It's not theft but the system is abusive as all hell. Get divorced while you're making good money and you can expect to be writing a fat fucking child support check. Lose that good paying job and "your ability to pay doesnt affect your responsibility to pay." BUT, if your pay goes up the child support goes up too.

And in what imaginary clown world do you think men who pay alimony and child support have a lot of discretionary income? Usually both of these payments are adjusted to a mans breaking point.

Child support is fine. Its alimony that shouldn't exist for more than a year.

MGTOWKapow2 · 2019-04-21T00:36:30+00:00

Because it doesn't cost $1500 per month to feed a kid.

douchebag_throwaway3 · 2019-04-21T00:24:54+00:00

Because the state should only take half of what is necessary to raise a child.

Anything more than that is theft.

Someone posted not too long ago about how they had a 50% split in child custody, but he still had to pay her money because of the fucked up laws and how they are geared towards women. They almost never benefit a man.

CamoWoobie100 · 2019-04-21T00:40:36+00:00

I think if a woman has a choice to get off Scot free from being a parent, men should too. I'm generally against higher taxes, but in this case I make an exception. I think it's wrong to force a man to work under threat of imprisonment for 18+ years. If I ever have a kid I dont want, I'm leaving the country.

SeemedGood · 2019-04-21T04:40:31+00:00

Just because you cite other forms of theft as examples of legalized theft doesn’t mean that the example which you’re questioning doesn’t constitute theft.

Theft is really easy to identify: taking something that belongs to someone from him without explicit consent to do so.

The fruit of someone’s effort (earned either through labor, provision of service, or the transference of risk) belongs to that person so...

_Anarchon_ · 2019-04-21T05:22:34+00:00

Anytime someone takes something from someone else without their consent, it is theft, whether the government recognizes it as such or not.

The-Wizard-of-Oz- · 2019-04-21T06:29:36+00:00

Also theft. Like we say, legalized robbery. Not theft. Robbery.

NockerJoe · 2019-04-21T00:14:03+00:00

Maybe it's just me but I was always under the assumption that if you had the time and money what you should be doing is fighting so that you're the one with custody.

Not living with your kids and also paying someone else to take care of them is generally considered a skuzzy move even without divorce.

LeadInfusedRedPill · 2019-04-21T00:18:03+00:00

I dont think the concerns are over child support, unless it’s fraudulent. The concerns are over asset division and alimony.

[deleted] · 2019-04-21T06:49:45+00:00

Because money isn't for kids but mammas

abaxeron · 2019-04-21T07:34:40+00:00

So how exactly is the government taking some of your labor to give to your ex baby momma so that your own kids don't have as shitty of lives?

Men have no say over those kids being created. Depending on jurisdiction, "baby momma" may be free to get pregnant against her husband's will; get pregnant with another man's sperm against her husband's will; legally give kids up for adoption (even if they were wanted and planned by both) or outright kill them and get away with it. She is not obliged to take responsibility for any of it. But her man is somehow obliged to take responsibility for being dumped.

Basically all of your money goes to your family.

Then make those feminists shut up about "unpaid reproductive labor" first.

couldbemage · 2019-04-23T03:50:52+00:00

So you, op, are wealthy. Working class men cannot pay child support and rent. As the law stands, right now, that is quite simply impossible.

Title	(Q4RP) How is child support theft?
Author	beachredwhine
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Date	April 20, 2019 11:50 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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