RP only “works” because it says to lift and exercise to get hotter

exit_sandman · 2019-03-25T08:35:55+00:00

This post from /u/redpillschool really is timeless.

There’s an interesting group called purplepilldebate, and I want to speak about that for a minute. A common topic that they focus on is that the conclusions that we arrive at should be common knowledge and that few people should ever be as mislead as we were.

I really do wonder how it is that I was lead so far astray, I really don’t know. It’s hard to think of myself as a thinking, breathing individual then, when I now realize how wrong my conclusions were then. Clearly I am smart enough today to come to better conclusions. The raw materials were there waiting to be molded into the person I would become. But, nevertheless, there I was among the stupid. The people purplepilldebate refuses to accept exists: the feminine-conditioned men who did not know how to be men.

But we do exist. And we’re here. And we’re improving.

This is what the opposition will do when they find themselves outreasoned. They will adopt your premises and act as though they were there with you all along, and that you’re nuts for thinking otherwise. It’s just your misdirected conclusion that they disagree with. But they agreed with everything else all along!

That’s one hella bunch of gaslighting in my opinion. [...]

One common trope I hear there is “the red pill doesn’t have the monopoly on the advice, work out, dress well, and improve your personality.”

The point they’re trying to make is that you can take this very simple advice and probably improve your standing, so there’s no real reason to buy into the “hate-group” of the red pill. You can be just as successful, really, this advice has always been around! Everybody knows it! We’ve always advocated these things!

This is an interesting thing they’re doing. They’re buying the advice because there’s no real logical argument against its effectiveness. It really does work. Women like swole, fit, confident guys. But there’s method to the normalization and tempering tactic. They aren’t just well-meaning folks who want you to avoid the hate-trap of TRP. They want to make sure you never fall into the understanding behind why these things work.

Originally the campaign against men included denying that stoicism and fitness were effective with women. They tried to convince a generation of boys that what women really wanted was a dude who shared his feelings and was able to cry on her shoulder. MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS WHAT SOCIETY TAUGHT BOYS. That the purple pill tries to deny it now, telling us that “get fit and confident” has always been a no-brainer is disingenuous. Anybody watching a late 80’s or 90’s movie can disprove this entirely. This has not been the truth.

wingbark · 2019-03-25T12:15:45+00:00

I worked out and got hotter and sure women noticed me more and flirted more but I didn’t get laid until my behaviors changed. And yeah the idea that you should maximize your physical attractiveness is no secret.

In aviation we have a saying that if something goes wrong, you either want a lot of ideas on what went wrong and how to fix it, or you want a lot of altitude so you have more time to come up with ideas.

Well, in dating, you either want extremely good looks to get women to sleep with/date you, or you can be super charming and funny to get women to sleep with/date you.

Most often in the aviation example and the dating one, you’ll be somewhere in the between the two extremes and need to adjust a little to maximize your overall attractiveness.

CainPrice · 2019-03-25T12:54:39+00:00

There are two main ideas to the red pill.

First, be the best you can be. Lift, succeed at work and school, learn interesting hobbies and skills, develop your social skills, be fun. Essentially, become fuckable.

Second is the controversial part: have reasonable expectations about women. Know what they are really like, not what you'd like them to be like. And behave in a way that both appeals to and manages them based on what they're really like.

Red Pill guys haven't grown up as part of the casual sex culture. They don't know what women are actually like, and it's a bit of an anger inducing shock to learn and have their previous ideas dashed.

If you have never had non-exclusive, purely sexual encounters with women, you don't know what women are really like. If your only experiences with women are with women who don't like you sexually or romantically, women who are your girlfriend, or women who want to be your girlfriend, you don't know women. Even reading red pill internet stories isn't enough. Until you've experienced first hand how women are like when they really and truly just want sex, and how they behave when they're going the casual route, you literally do not know women.

Eastuss · 2019-03-25T09:43:37+00:00

Lift. But everyone knows that right?

I was raised to believe that people who are superficial are deviant scum and will be rare, and what mattered was to have a "great personality". But this is only true when you've a decent physical attractiveness basis.

In addition, everyone knows being in shape will make you look better, but TRP doesn't care about you looking better, TRP wants you to lift because it'll make your behaviour more masculine and hornier as a side effect. It's not just question of confidence. And people do not know this.

The main difference between me and my incel friends is that I wanted to fuck women a lot and I moved my ass for it. That's the only difference. They're hotter than me, and I didn't got hot to get success, I changed my behaviour.

At 18 I was sexually inhibited, I believed my sexuality was deviant and wrong, that I was wrong for wanting sex that much, that I was disgusting, and shall never express it before a woman expresses it. BP isn't exactly negative with male sexuality, but it's still very wary of it in an "do as you want but hide yourself" way.

But on TRP it is not insecure about it, they tell you it's ok, it's normal, it's fine, and that it's normal for women to be disgusted because we're simply antagonist to each other and we should expect shaming tactics like that. It helps. And this is what you overlook with your post.

Barely-moral · 2019-03-25T08:35:37+00:00

It also tells you not to be a spineless whelp. That is also quite important.

But everyone knows that right?

No. If everyone knew that there would be no RP.

“be yourself, work hard and it will just happen!” being incorrectly labelled as the blue pill advice or blue pilled narrative

Even if it isn't the only blue pill advice/narrative, it is prevalent enough. It is common to the point that TRP exists in order to oppose it and teach men that relying on it is a terrible idea. Even if it isn't the only blue pill advice/narrative it is such a horrible, useless and destructive advice/narrative that TRP exists.

“Women like the opposite sex to be hot and fun”

Not a controversial or anti-blue pill or whatever.

Controversial enough. It is literally the opposite of “be yourself, work hard and it will just happen!”. Again, if blue pill advice is so wonderful and efective... there would be no RP.

rus9384 · 2019-03-25T12:05:48+00:00

Damn, there really are 20+ people who agree looks alone are enough?

Yeah, not sense of humour, not interesting personality, not confidence, but 6 pack abs will make you successful in dating (/s).

Sure, it adds to your value. But to say it's only one RP truth that works is silly.

But yeah, there are many advices even "from fish" telling these truths.

ThisIsJustATr1bute · 2019-03-25T12:51:44+00:00

Youre not completely wrong, just off slightly. The self improvement stuff at TRP is good but the real boost comes from telling men to get off their ass, approach and escalate. TRP uses a big intellectual framework to get men to basically overcome their pussiness and go chat up women. Do that enough times and you can do it confidently. Approach women confidently while not being completely gross and you can get numbers and opportunities.

The real question if you want a TRP alternative is: how do you convince men who lack confidence to go approach? Clearly something in the strange mix of TRP misogyny and overanalyzing everything gives men this confidence. If this werent true it would be just another tiny subreddit no one cares about

cxj · 2019-03-25T19:59:08+00:00

No, lots of their other ideas regarding holding frame, learning to banter with women and not take it seriously/personally (amused mastery, negging, etc) and working pro actively to develop an abundance mentality, all help in ways lifting and dressing better won't. I know strong looking well dressed men doing meh with girls because they have no real follow through with their personalities. 9-5 gym bros are on average not interesting to most girls, they want some fun and excitement out of their lives and lifting on its own doesn't give that. Lifting is just another form of "stat maxing" which TRP has become overly fixated on due to male solopsism, these guys have to learn to really sell what they've got, meaning developing strong interpersonal skills. Women don't buy things based on stats/specs alone the way some men do, they need to be sold emotionally on it in a certain way.

zayelion · 2019-03-25T10:50:49+00:00

No. You are trying to represent a multifaceted regime of behavior modifications down to one aspect. You calling it background noise makes me think that your view of RP is that it is only to get women to flock toward you. It is true that is what lifting does. It creates a primal urge of attraction but there are other things that need to be learned.

How you treat women has an instant effect on how attracted to you they can become. Hot guys get cheated on too, swole guys get marked as "emotionally unavailable", and ultimately divorce raped. You have to learn how to treat women in a way they like to be treated because relationships are two way streets.

"I am pretty give me everything I want", is not gonna fly for any relationship going over 3 months. If you seem abusive, to stoic, to emotional, or uncommunicative you are a risk and gone.

concacanca · 2019-03-25T08:22:41+00:00

I work with a guy. He's 6'3 and well built. Blonde hair and blue eyes. When he walks into a room the ladies synchronously do their best impression of meerkats.

He's also German and can only really hold conversation about Ibiza lol. He's genuinely not interesting at all.

The most important part of RP isn't lifting, it's confidence. Lifting serves two main purposes:

1) it's something you can get up and start doing immediately and is a tangible metric by which to measure self improvement

2) it builds confidence through looking physically better

TL;DR be confident and fun and women will forgive a little beer belly.

SavingsTraffic111 · 2019-03-25T11:30:07+00:00

But everyone knows that right?

No. For instance, I was raised to believe that women don't care about men's looks AT ALL. And that those few who do are shallow outliers not worthy of attention, while normal girls go for guys with kind, supportive personalities. If you already knew how female attraction works at an early age, then good for you, but let's not pretend that this stuff is obvious.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-03-25T12:44:02+00:00

Except RP originally didnt advise that at all back in the day before reddit and still worked

The obsession with lifting and not being disgusting came in when RP melded with the repulsive autists of reddit. RP was originally for AFCs, not bottom barrel omegas who had to be told they had to not weigh 500 lbs to get laid because their mommies never told them

xiaodre · 2019-03-25T09:56:31+00:00

so, ALL the other shit is just background noise..

so, hugh hefner, the millionaire, at 80 marrying a 23 year old, lift and fun..

see, the other stuff is not just noise. women really are looking for resources as well. having money is important to women.

i can pull up any number of vids on youtube for this; this is incontrovertible.

Kujab · 2019-03-25T09:56:36+00:00

The way you put it implies mgtow isn't redpill, whereas it is seen as many as the quintescence of redpill.

Mind clarifyinbg this point?

throwaway0x0101 · 2019-03-25T18:48:36+00:00

If your face is average or below average, lifting will not make you hot. It will make you 'ok'.

daveofmars · 2019-03-26T01:10:24+00:00

Disagree. There are hot men out there that initially get a woman's interest, but they become really, really beta and supplicating, which causes a breakup when she is thoroughly disgusted with him. I think a lot of women out there have a story of going out on a few dates with a hot guy only to see him act really cringey in some capacity.

matrixpush · 2019-03-26T03:29:14+00:00

RP offers a textbook blueprint to a CIA or Mossad PSYOP if you look closely enough.

la vraie pilule

CrestfallenWolf · 2019-03-25T16:55:51+00:00

TBP doesn't give you the advice to lift.

It bitches about TRP then said to get laid learn consent rules.

"hot and fun" there is nothing hot or fun about complaining about guys who are getting laid and asking every 5 seconds if she is OK. Mommy may I hold your hand?... Not sexy, not fun. If you want to believe the rest of TRP is trash and it all has to do with looks looks only looks I have to ask.

WTF is up with this sub and male looks and denial of evolution. At least your only doing one of those but sweet Christ it's been one after another some incel bitching about male looks being sooooo important. I don't get it, weeks and weeks of one or more threads perday obsessing over the least or second least important part of a dude getting laid.

[deleted] · 2019-03-25T18:43:52+00:00

Lol at more of this cope. Lifting is a universal way to become more attractive. But there’s a big difference between going to the gym and lifting heavy. Majority of people that go to the gym don’t go there to put on muscle mass.

Additionally, red pill emphasizes being your own man and pursuing interesting hobbies. In a world of “watch tv all day” and “you’re attractive just the way you are” believe it or not this is good advice

Also, I believe most blue pilled men who weren’t born into playing sports have no idea just how much lifting can raise their SMV.

SeemedGood · 2019-03-25T21:39:39+00:00

Not the most important thing by a long shot.

It’s easy to be buff and “hot” and still be miserably unsuccessful with women because you don’t understand how they think, and you listen to what they say, and you continue to believe that you’ll find that one “special” one who’s different.

poppy_blu · 2019-03-25T10:42:59+00:00

American society has a way to pushing tropes based on who we want to be instead of who we actually are. Men were lied to. Women were lied to. Children were lied to. All of us. That’s not in dispute.

The issue is the slippery slope to indulging in the anger at being lied to. 1) “anger phase” doesn’t help you move forward and get what you want. 2) anger can easily morph in to hate which can easily morph into reprehensible behaviors. 3) RP knows this, and attempts to profit off that by stoking the fires of anger while pretending to be about “self improvement.”

And frankly yes, the advice is obvious and has been out there forever. Otherwise the majority of men wouldn’t have figured it out without the help of TRP. I mean really someone who claims no one ever told them work out before is just blaming others for choosing to believe what they want to believe or lacking the willpower to do what they know they wed to do but don’t want to. It’s like a obese person who is always looking for conspiracy theories about food additives and fatty agents in the McDonald’s they scarf down 3 times a week, when the real issue is they need to put the fucking Big Macs down in the first place.

I’ve been around this world for a long time now and the conclusions I’ve come to are:

1) people love victimhood because it absolves them of responsibility.

2) some men will just never be alphas/Chad/what the fuck ever. And that’s ok. They’re primarily chasing a dream of self worth and see women and racking up numbers as the quickest path to that.

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The-Wizard-of-Oz- · 2019-03-25T12:50:21+00:00

A sad generalization. Yes lifting is over hyped. True. It isn't actually about lifting its about discipline.

And what is the number one quality that (indirectly) attracts the opposite sex? It's is the same quality that attracts health wealth and success.

You guessed it, an internal locus of control.

[deleted] · 2019-03-25T13:21:40+00:00

No shit, what requires effort and dedication actually works. Did you make this discovery by yourself? There has been exactly thread like this past week. Be original bloops. Your shit doesn't work, trp shit works yet bloops still angry that it works. Go figure.

Manck0 · 2019-03-25T13:37:38+00:00

Wow, it must be so much fun telling yourself all this bullshit day in and day out. Is it really making your life better?

RickWilsonsBuck · 2019-03-25T13:45:37+00:00

Blue pill = everything that isn’t red pill. Right?

No.. wtf?

PMmeareasontolive · 2019-03-25T15:07:43+00:00

I don't think of myself as red pill. A lot of the theories are taken to the point of absurdity and the explanations from evolutionary biology are half-baked and overworked. The emphasis on getting laid is puerile.

Yet you'll get certain "reality checks" about dating here that you won't get elsewhere. In many other dating/relationship subs the questions aren't even allowed to be discussed.

Specifically, "shit testing" and "maintaining frame" have been useful ideas for me that certainly are not blue pill. The idea to pay attention to what people do, not what they say, is another one that is probably more purple than blue.

There's lots of other useful stuff too, like the advice against putting women on a pedestal and that, counter to the popular mythos, women can be as shallow as anyone.

You'll say that's blue pill maybe, but try posting that kind of stuff in a normal sub and it will be regarded as blasphemy.

crushplanets · 2019-03-25T16:03:13+00:00

No! TRP teaches you how to understand and accept women's sexual strategy, then better yourself both physically and mentally to be more competitive in the SMP. A good physique is not enough. You need game, the right attitude, and the ability to recognize women's behaviors / tests, and why they are doing them. If you are physically hot but you are spinless, emotional, and don't understand womens behavior very well, then it will only get you so far.

atm487 · 2019-03-25T16:09:07+00:00

Yeah, usually actual RP guys who call other men soyboys and are assholes generally aren't liked beyond being fun flings. And the RP posts saying "IT GOES BEYOND JUST LIFTING AND CONFIDENCE, DARK TRIAD THO" are mostly living in a Reddit bubble and fantasy, like a lot of PPD people.

Mattcwu · 2019-03-25T18:27:34+00:00

RP also works by telling men to be more aggressive.

RP tells men to approach more women and ask them out. This leads to more dates and hookups for men. This works.

What do I win for changing you view?

Whisper · 2019-03-26T18:07:47+00:00

“Women like the opposite sex to be hot and fun”

https://youtu.be/J_ryjjeNc5k?t=7

Nu_Guy · 2019-03-25T12:44:09+00:00

"Blue Pill" is a parody of Red Pill.

I've never seen any logic presented from "Blue Pill" like the sidebar of the Red Pill subreddit.

For instance some data that may support blue pill would be "Marriages where women make more than men only has a 12% divorce rate".

We all know no such data exists.

Title	RP only “works” because it says to lift and exercise to get hotter
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