Women expect the business market to bend to the same rules as the SMP.

-TheGreasyPole- · 2019-02-02T14:11:06+00:00

As the title of this thread makes an affirmative claim I'm flairing it as a CMV. Therefore, all top level answers must attempt to change OP's view.

[deleted] · 2019-02-02T17:12:18+00:00

Those expectations are crumbling

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/world/europe/metoo-backlash-gender-equality-davos-men.html

Another Side of #MeToo: Male Managers Fearful of Mentoring Women

the_calibre_cat · 2019-02-02T13:11:16+00:00

psst. SMV and the economic market ´place work by the same rules.that is why they both have "market place" in their name.

sublimemongrel · 2019-02-02T13:47:58+00:00

In my industry older men as mentors to younger female subordinates is fairly common. But I mean they like it. Men like to mentor and teach. I’ve never seen a situation wherein such women are like upset some man won’t mentor them, the mentorships just kinda fall into place when the women get hired.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-02-02T18:53:20+00:00

what exactly was a link from a consultant being offered to show? they make their money by asserting theres a problem in the workplace then offerign their services to fix it

the second link is an editorial by a man telling men who they could better mentor women and why he thinks they should. where does it address the subject of your post? where does it evince female expectations?

did you just google "men women mentoring" and pick two links?

Salty-Bastard · 2019-02-02T17:32:02+00:00

I've been on both sides of mentor/mentee with men professionally, and it's always been an organically occurring thing without expectation. Men and women who are drawn to the role(s) find themselves there.

If anything I'd say forcing it is sketchy, not an absence of it the company culture. Smashing people together at random with an expectation to make each other better when they have no desire to seems pretty risky.

shonenhikada · 2019-02-02T21:43:53+00:00

A woman once made a company employing only women as a way to showing girl power. it went under within months. Too much backstabbing, gossips and drama.

SabirahNova · 2019-02-02T17:17:31+00:00

I think your perception is skewed by your workplace, you said you’re a programmer it’s a male dominated field with a lot of unattractive men who resent women. The handful of women who work in these environments are at a disadvantage because no one values them as a person or coworker, people are either mad they’re there, assume they’re incompetent and filling a diversity quota or want to get in their pants. Of course they’re hoping senior level people will take notice so their careers can have some upward mobility because so many people dislike them and they just want to be successful. That’s my take.

Electra_Cute · 2019-02-02T13:22:59+00:00

How do you know this.

meomeowmeoww · 2019-02-02T13:31:35+00:00

are you sure you are not a neet?

passepar2t · 2019-02-02T13:54:26+00:00

If you, man or woman, need mentoring to advance, you're not very good at your job. CMV. UNLESS, by "mentoring," you mean "nepotism," in which case, yeah, "mentoring" is important.

i_have_a_semicolon · 2019-02-02T15:14:43+00:00

It's definitely not so easily reducible like you're making it out to be. In my experience, women treat work like work. I don't know if that reflects everyone's experience but literally there is just very little difference in my field on how women are treated and expect to be treated vs men. We all have this very equal opportunity, fair, merit based perspective.

the_calibre_cat · 2019-02-02T15:29:10+00:00

Generally speaking, I don't agree. Most of the women I've worked with have been actual, three dimensional people and workers.

It is curious, however, that do-nothing bloggers have nothing better to do than bitch about that situation for women, though.

Scatre · 2019-02-02T13:07:36+00:00

From what I've seen many women expect senior men in their workplace come up to them and offer mentorship

I'd like you to point out 1 woman in the world who expects that

But the man has to guess that she's interested in being mentored by him specifically and for that particular position, otherwise he's a creep and OMIGOSH! HR! I am feeling uncomfortable and harassed!

Idk what you're babbling about

Most women are not interested in work conditions improving for all workers WHILE making the business more productive, but in the environment being comfortable to them.

Is this supposed to be a conclusion of some sort?

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SirNemesis · 2019-02-02T18:24:08+00:00

In my industry (software engineering), shy men will still go out of their comfort zone and ask for help / mentorship / friendly interaction if they want it. Shy women generally just won't. I'll find out weeks or months after they join my team that they were just too shy to ask for what they want. Meanwhile all this time I'd been thinking they just wanted to be left alone to do their work.

I wouldn't say they "expect" mentorship to be handed to them though. They just don't know how to ask for it and are grateful when it finally happens.

despisedlove2 · 2019-02-04T03:36:31+00:00

Why whine?

Just don't hire women unless forced to. Of those you have, don't mentor them. Try your best to transfer them to a female manager. Never have one on one meetings with them. If you have to meet, meet in a public place. Always have CCTV cameras running at work.

The Pence rule is the most sensible advice you can have.

kandyapplez · 2019-02-02T21:40:44+00:00

But the man has to guess that she's interested in being mentored by him specifically and for that particular position, otherwise he's a creep and OMIGOSH! HR! I am feeling uncomfortable and harassed!

that's actually been my experience in the workplace though? i've had older men offering me mentorship since college and am now moving into a new field just because i casually asked a few questions to the right person lol

Title	Women expect the business market to bend to the same rules as the SMP.
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