Surprising Statistics About Hot People Versus Ugly People

Whodunnit88 · 2018-09-14T14:12:50+00:00

First woman seems to have a feminine pose with her chin down at a certain angle with seductive eyes. Second woman seems to be part of a group shot that's been cropped out.

wtknight · 2018-09-14T15:35:06+00:00

I think that it’s mostly due to certain women looking like they’ll be hotter in bed that gets them more attention than “cute” women. I don’t buy the analysis in the article that men really want to message cute women but think that there are too many other men messaging them. If a man goes to a bar and sees two women and one looks attractive but sweet and innocent and the other has polarizing looks but looks like she wants to jump into bed, chances are that the man is going to hit on the second one first. Most men are horndogs first and foremost and when a man wants to bust his nut he’s not making aesthetic measures of each woman’s attractiveness but instead finding the combination of the most attractive woman who will also give him the best time in bed.

I think that some of these “hot” women get some low ratings from men because lower sex drive men who are more selective in their messaging are also rating these pictures. It’s the hornier men who bomb women with messages, and it’s why one sees this phenomenon.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2018-09-14T16:48:03+00:00

i am as always amazed by how faceblind peopel are to ratios and the marquard mask of beauty and femininity vs masculinity.

the asian looking girl is literally only off in the nose length, the rest of her face is very in keeping with the symmetry of feminine beauty. the white girl has a peanut shaped face, downturned small eyes which is one of THE chief uglifying features in women and a broad mouth. every single thing about her face is "wrong" ratio wise, she is UGLY , the only thing she has is still a little bit of youth

stacyspostwallmom · 2018-09-14T14:22:59+00:00

Whoever looks like they are more likely to put out is more likely to get messages. Wholesomeness is a turn off.

blackedoutfast · 2018-09-14T20:09:02+00:00

the problem with this study is that it doesn't take into consideration the desirability of the guys sending messages.

that other recent study that said women's desirability peaks at 18 but men's desirability doesn't peak until 50 did take the desirability level of the message senders into account when calculating the receiver's desirability. it would be interesting to see how that sender desirability metric would affect the results here.

a lot of guys, especially guys with low SMV or low confidence, will go after less attractive girls because they think they will have better luck with those girls. they don't even waste time sending messages to very hot girls because they have almost zero chance of getting a reply (or she will be a bot).

i completely disagree with their suggestions that women should emphasize their bad features and be more polarizing. this will get them more messages from guys, but all those messages will be coming from less desirable guys - the low SMV, low confidence guys and the guys looking for an easy low effort hookup.

women on dating sites don't have trouble getting attention from guys, if a woman is complaining about online dating, it's because she isn't getting enough attention from "high quality* guys.

ElfFey · 2018-09-14T16:10:55+00:00

This is because once you hit a certain level of beauty, you are considered ugly by some people because of how unusual your features are. On the other hand conventionally good looking people are really closer to average attractiveness.

This is obvious with celebrities. Sarah Jessica Parker and Angelina Jolie are the oft-stated examples. They're always seen as gorgeous through the camera and in the context of their films, but in real life? They both look like aliens compared to the average person. Taylor Swift is another-- beautiful person who is almost 6 feet tall and has sharp features.

petrichordium · 2018-09-14T15:08:48+00:00

Ugh. Anyone who ever conducts another of these stupid “experiments” without using super neutral casting call style images is only testing our ability to be fooled by branding. This is not about hot vs ugly people.

CyJackX · 2018-09-14T14:48:42+00:00

Don't think there's anything non-intuitive about this; approachability will add to the messages received, so being too hot scares some messages off.

Eastuss · 2018-09-14T14:13:14+00:00

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/4d2f1739cadcbbc0420c0000-480-497.jpg

...that gets more attention than this girl?

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/4d2f177dcadcbbc146020000-480-497.jpg

...even though according to users, they're both equally good-looking?

Simple. First one's pic screams sex and high value a lot more. Which can be a hit or miss, but will attract more attention eventually.

Also they're scored the same but honestly the second girl is less good looking all in all.

About the 4 pictures, with rating vs message: the real ranking of the girls' attractiveness is really just the message received, frankly.

CainPrice · 2018-09-14T14:48:10+00:00

If I have five minutes to send a message, and I have to choose between messaging a very attainable 6 who looks like she's going to put out on the first date, and an average 7 who looks like she'd need a few dates and some work to get into bed, I know where my five minutes are better spent.

SpaceWhiskey · 2018-09-14T15:24:45+00:00

It’s the pictures themselves. The first girl looks like she’s out at night doing something fun, she’s posing flirtatiously. The second girl is using a more casual picture, it doesn’t say “I’m looking to date or at least bone”. Dating sites are essentially about promoting your brand, you need to have the right kind of pictures. This is why so many dudes who are otherwise totally fine lookswise will get passed over: their pictures suck.

[deleted] · 2018-09-14T16:19:58+00:00

This is interesting and makes sense - if you change the interpretation a bit:

We now have mathematical evidence that minimizing your "flaws" is the opposite of what you should do. If you're a little chubby, play it up. If you have a big nose, play it up. If you have a weird snaggletooth, play it up: statistically, the guys who don't like it can only help you, and the ones who do like it will be all the more excited.

I don't think you necessarily should "play up" your flaws. If you have a huge forehead for instance, bangs can look better than a tight ponytail. If you have kind of a babyface, a beard can do wonders. Etc etc. What I think those pictures demonstrate is that they don't hide any part of how they look behind a filter or a flattering angle. They put themselves out there and try to look good while making the best of their flaws.

I think this applies to men as well.

mistresswhat · 2018-09-14T18:46:43+00:00

OkCupid's statistics blog found the exact same thing -- actually, this might be a reprint of their original article. I remember it well because it made a huge impression on me.

As a sex worker who has applied this principle extensively in my marketing and also in my personal dating life to very good effect, it's 100% true, regardless of how you want to overanalyze the specific example photos. You cannot be the pinnacle of attractiveness for one person without putting others off entirely -- humans vary too much in what we find desirable.

[deleted] · 2018-09-14T19:45:45+00:00

Stop giving women inside dating information, lol. Dating is already skewed against men's interests as it is.

DemonConsulting · 2018-09-14T21:10:21+00:00

This reminds me sooo much of the threads about male beauty where people post male models and wonder why they are perceived as gay, too muscley, shallow, etc.

There is a lot more to judging a person off a single picture than their pure genetics and the decision of approaching them or not is also partly based on maximising your chances and mitigating the risk of rejection. Angles, poses, location, body language, facial expression, filters, etc. matter a lot when it comes to what impression you're going to make.

In general on Tinder, an app used primarly for quick hookups instead of finding a relationship, the “easier“/ more dtf the girl looks the more messages she's going to get. Like the first example, selfie from upper angle + heavy/ dark makeup + slutty/ party clothes + bedroom eyes + bar/nightclub type setting =down for sex. Now she just needs to be hot enough to be fuckable but ideally ugly enough that she has low self esteem and isn't flooded with attention to the point where the average man messaging her has little chance. (Needs to be “in your league“ to put it nicely)

The second girl just in my personal opinion looks pretty ugly just from her facial structure and chose a bad picture whithout good makeup and with her hair all messed up. She also looks old. But she could drastically increase her matches/ messages with a different angle, clothes, makeup, facial expression, etc. She doesn't look like she's ready to jump in bed with the next guy, more like she's looking for a relationship, so they don't bother messaging her.

pentakiller19 · 2018-09-15T11:42:53+00:00

This isnt rocket science. The first girl is hotter so she got more messages. Second girl is like a 6.5

YaAmar · 2018-09-15T20:11:54+00:00

One looks like she's down to fuck, the other girl looks like she wants to go out on a date. hmm...

PhotosyntheticChad · 2018-09-14T16:07:44+00:00

Speaking as a heterosexual man, I have to say that none of those four are good looking.

I have absolutely no idea what it is that any other man can see in there that is attractive.

To me they all look really masculine, and some of them are chubby/fat. None of them have particularly healthy looking skin.

nomansweb · 2018-09-14T14:39:39+00:00

This actually isn't about the "reptilian brain" at all. It's the result of a cost/benefit analysis a man will perform when faced with scarcity (online dating). Like the 80/20 principle it's an exaggeration of some much weaker effect in the offline world, caused by the artificial conditions (like having twice as many as women, for example) of online dating.

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Bronzehawkattack · 2018-09-14T16:12:17+00:00

Found the whole article to be interesting. If someone doesn't think you're hot, the next best thing for them to think is that you're ugly. When some men think you're ugly, other men are more likely to message you.

Bloopers, Twerps, and Purple Pillers just realizing what the Black Pill has already said for ages...

It's called Juggernaut Law, and this only works for women. This isn't a "Hot people versus ugly people" this is "hot women vs ugly women". The uglier chicks are getting even more attention than hot chicks because guys think that they're more likely to get with the uglier chicks. There's more competition for men to get uglier chicks as a result. This is why the "jUsT lOwEr uR StAnDerDs" thing gets ridiculed by black pillers, because it fucking ridiculous to assume that A. Someone has too high standards because they're sexually unsuccessful and B. That they'll suddenly have more success if they go after uglier women.

Trying to game Juggernaut Law doesn't work though. Hot women will still always reciprocate with hot guys.

Basically, women can't lose. If you're ugly you win, if you're average you win, if you're good looking you win. There is no such thing as a female incel, only female volcels.

An ugly guy however WILL receive less messages than a guy who is considered slightly more attractive, Juggernaut Law doesn't apply to men, which is why this article used only female examples (Even though they are ambiguous as to who they're directing this advice to. Mainstream outlets have to be careful not to enable the black pill otherwise they prove them dern incels right!

Noxin__Nixon · 2018-09-15T17:47:48+00:00

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/4d2f19b8ccd1d5e127120000-480-351.jpg

Girl on the right is significantly more attractive to me. Not even close on this one for me as the other one is icky. But I can see how guys into the 'All American type' would downrate her so her rating is probably a little skewed by several with specific preferences.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/4d2f1a3e4bd7c8190f120000-480-341.jpg

Girl on the left is hotter but the girl on the right looks much friendlier and more approachable. Girl on the left looks like she'd blow you off if you aren't a hipster while girl on the right is the type of girl next door with nice smile that every guy thinks they have a chance with

PrefixKitten · 2018-09-16T08:54:10+00:00

If you have a weird snaggletooth

Haha, can confirm, I find women with teeth like that to be so adorable. And strangely it seems to add more attractiveness to less attractive women compared to more attractive ones.

exit_sandman · 2018-09-17T09:06:15+00:00

Regarding the second couple of women (the 3.7 with 0.9x messages vs the 3.5 with the 1.2x messages) - in this case it would be interesting to know their profile texts.

Because just judging from the pictures, I can't wrap my head around the girl on the right getting more messages unless the first one has a seriously abrasive profile text (because that would be the first and strongest deterrent for me if I saw a rather attractive girl).

Title	Surprising Statistics About Hot People Versus Ugly People
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Date	September 14, 2018 1:59 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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