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Good insight into female obligations in marriage: They have been taught that ..obligation renders her “property.” ...she is simply wise ..to recognize that marriages based on mutual obligations - as opposed to rights alone and certainly as opposed to moods — are likely to be the best marriages.

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December 12, 2014
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Saw this on RPW, but I thought it offered some insight on not only good expectations from women in marriage (LTR) but also outlined sort of why marriages were failing today, and what the cultural change was.

in the past generation we have witnessed the demise of the concept of obligation in personal relations. We have been nurtured in a culture of rights, not a culture of obligations. To many women, especially among the best educated, the notion that a woman owes her husband sex seems absurd, if not actually immoral. They have been taught that such a sense of obligation renders her “property.” Of course, the very fact that she can always say “no” — and that this “no” must be honored — renders the “property” argument absurd. A woman is not “property” when she feels she owes her husband conjugal relations. She is simply wise enough to recognize that marriages based on mutual obligations — as opposed to rights alone and certainly as opposed to moods — are likely to be the best marriages.

http://www.dennisprager.com/when-a-woman-isnt-in-the-mood-part-ii/

Check out part one as well: http://www.dennisprager.com/when-a-woman-isnt-in-the-mood-part-i/


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Title Good insight into female obligations in marriage: They have been taught that ..obligation renders her “property.” ...she is simply wise ..to recognize that marriages based on mutual obligations - as opposed to rights alone and certainly as opposed to moods — are likely to be the best marriages.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 29
Comments 24
Date 12 December 2014 04:38 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/26270
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2p39ky/good_insight_into_female_obligations_in_marriage/
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[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (20 children) | Copy

Almost everyday I contemplate asking my LTR/married friends: "What value does she give to you that makes you keep her around?" but I already know the answer "she's my best friend".

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 38 points39 points  (3 children) | Copy

Shes the best friend because she destroyed every meaningful relationship they had

[–]1User-31f64a4e 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

They so do this.

Isolation of men is not just achieved by colonizing male-only spaces. It also happens in the social life of a couple. Men are happy to hang with other men, but women generally usurp the role of social director and schedule multi-couple activities. And they schedule those with her previous friends, not his (unless she co-opts those relationships.)

I have also had women act out in an extreme manner any time there was someone around they were jealous of or otherwise threatened by (which can be either sex). Raising the price (embarassment) of interaction precluded it.

Oh, if I had know then what I know now ...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It also happens in the social life of a couple. Men are happy to hang with other men, but women generally usurp the role of social director and schedule multi-couple activities.

And a lot of BP men are happy to keep things this way. I had to end some friendships recently because the men just were not capable of committing to any kind of plan or event. They always fell back on letting their wives plan all of their activities.

Sorry, guys, but part of taking charge of your life is taking charge of your calendar. And if you're so whipped you can't even plan an outing without checking with your "social secretary" then you're not the kind of man I want to be friends with. Next!

[–]I8ASaleen 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha this...sigh

[–]Jessewilks 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

If I wanted to marry my best friend, I'd've married Mike. I don't want to fuck Mike though, and nor I him.

[–]1Dev_on 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mine can drywall, and I can solder...

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[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy

I'll never understand why people say that their wife is their best friend.

  • You can't tell them all your issues, insecurities, problems or fears

  • can't talk about the opposite sex

  • if you get fat/unemployed then she isn't going to stick around and if she does she will resent you

  • you can't play competitive sports with women or if you exercise with her she will just slow you down

    When my friends tell me I look fat then it means I need to stop eating shit food. And I tell them the same. You can't say that to a woman.

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[–]DoctorWelch 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Thank god there are a few other people in this sub that actually understand this kind of stuff. So many people, like the guy you are responding to, make completely illogical assumptions about relationships based on all the beta examples we see.

Just because some beta gets walked on doesn't mean you HAVE to be in that kind of relationship if you choose to have a relationship. It's almost as if they all assume getting into an LTR would somehow erase all their memory of the lessons they have learned here. Maybe it is just a stage in swallowing TRP, but so many of these guys seem to be in that stage that I simply think there aren't enough logical breakdowns of LTRs like this to help people stop putting the cart so far before the horse like they so often do.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

And my wife and I have an agreement that we will tell the other if we're getting uncomfortably chubby for the other person

Congratulations, you've found the first woman in human history that wants to be told that she got fat.

There is no way that you honestly believe that she wants you to say this.

[–]IAmTheIlluminatiAMA 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

90% of what you tell anyone relies on the way you frame it. I told my wife after the kids she needed to lose weight because she was fat. She lost weight.

[–]DoctorWelch 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

This is actually one of my biggest arguments FOR a LTR/Marriage. As a red pill guy I would never be stupid enough to put myself into that situation. So, if I ever did end up in an LTR it would only be with someone worthy in circumstances that are acceptable.

Too often people here act as though they will wind up with the same fate as others in an LTR even though they have the knowledge, or are trying to gain the knowledge, of how to properly deal with women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I have trouble imagining that any woman out there is worth 50% of my assets along with the promise of lifelong exclusivity

My main issue is that as I'm getting older (28 now) the age of women that I'm hooking up with (23-25) has remained the same for the last few years. A LTR or marriage would be a tough decision for me no matter how attractive the woman

[–]DoctorWelch 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

Who says you have to give her money? Concerned about money? Be with someone who makes more than you. If you don't think you can keep her attraction and be alpha when she makes more money than you, I'm sorry, but you have a long way to go.

Everyone always presupposes these situations as if they are already set in stone. As if every LTR or Marriage HAS to end up exactly as all these poor beta bux have experienced.

You determine your own rules and expectations. Maybe they are too high and you will never actually be able to find that woman that meets those expectations, which I would say is very likely considering the state of women these days, but that doesn't mean if someone worthy enough comes along you won't want to find out if it is the case before signing anything.

If you are going to buy a house there are inspections and you walk through it many times. If you buy an electronic device you research and find the best ones that meet your needs. Yet, when it comes to LTRs, so many people in this sub act like they would just blindly play captain save-a-hoe as if they had no choice in the matter. As if an LTR presupposes being stupid enough to date a slutty, feminist, entitled woman in the first place.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

  1. I'm not interested in a LTR with anyone over the age of 25

  2. There are not many women that will be making more than I am right now when they are 25.

[–]BrunoOh 30 points31 points  (6 children) | Copy

My takes are:

1) If you agree to marry someone and expect them not to fuck others, you also need to take care of the sexual needs of that person.

2) If there is no, or not enough, sex, there's no intimacy, which means there's no relationship and both parties are freed from their monogamy.

[–]1Dev_on 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Perhaps, on the flip side, she probably expects you to act like a man also. Beta bux aside.

I think putting it all on her makes it too easy for a guy to check to make sure he's bringing it all too.

Thigh I guess a lot of Guy's are screwing up everything

[–]djrawbeats 13 points13 points [recovered] | Copy

This brings one of the biggest arguments of theredpill to the table. On one hand we blame women for why society is the way it is. Women are more entitled, demanding, and less accountable for their actions. One the other hand we blame men for being less dominate, putting women on pedestals, and becoming less masculine. Some say it's the women who need to change, while others think men need to change. Obviously it's a mix of both. Guys can not "check out" of their relationship and become more beta, while women need to ensure her man is sexual satisfied. It's really a combination of the two.

[–]getomc 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Change has to come from the top. That's the man's role. Thus Men have to "change" first but it's less "change" than it is cutting the slack. Women asked for something, we gave it to them, they fucked it up and now we've got to put them back in their place. Business as usual, really.

[–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I never liked either. Just seems to external, too easy to blame someone for your problems. Things are the way they are, just look for a good way to plod through.

But I agree with your comment fit sure