Agreed. Note the many downvoted comments that OP acted whiny and ran away.or fucked up by playing the game.
They dont realize that:
She definitely invited the guy to show up and neither she or he were "joking"
The only reason the girl is chasing OP and didn't get with the guy is that OP showed much more value than him. Her desire for OP shot through the roof and she no longer has interest in the other guy.
This is not just a strategy for plates. When your LTR shows signs of attraction to another guy you do samw thing minus the hard next.
Express zero hurt. Make it seem like its funny that she has a crush. Act like a cocky ass who would laugh at her making the mistake of a lifetime as "its all downhill from here babe"
Yeah she was going to blow him eventually anyway, OP made the right choice and even with style, nice going OP.
I have realized that you just can't win with them, you just have to cut your losses, next and walk away, it's not easy but it's that or keep dying inside, never surrender be that captain of your soul
When your LTR shows signs of attraction to another guy
Exactly this.
LTRs work best when this kind of shit comes up and your remind her that she's replaceable. Never in my 10+ dating history have I seen any woman backpedal faster than when she thinks another woman might take her spot. This is from dating nice girls, ghetto chicks, strippers and professionals alike. Universal truism.
Yup. And never forget you are the prize. A very recent plate (2nd at-home date tonight) was begun very definitely with her knowing I actively date others, one of whom for two years now. I'm openly non-monogamous and everybody I date knows it.
Previous home-date was mine, so, she invites me to her place, and I comment that if I go there, she won't see my Saturnalia decorations. She texts, "Well, if you play your cards right, I may come over during the week").
My response: "MY cards, eh?"
Result: Total backpedal. Plausible deniability, "haha, just kidding. You know that, right? Right??? RIGHT???" (okay, I added the last two "rights", but the rest is real).
And I plan to be very busy next week. Xmas and all, you know?
He means that when you're in a long term relationship, instead of actually dumping her, just use this as dread game (or to punish a shit test, I guess).
Correct. Its gonna happen that your wife will start talking about some new guy at work or some other kids dad is kinda "funny". The wrong approach is to ask a million questions and start mate guarding.
Instead you tease her about her new boyfriend. Ask if he sent any love letters today etc. Make sure you are treating this like its hysterical and it doesnt phase you a bit. Also run some dread and pull back on the comfort. Be a little busier than normal.
I actually think this is wrong. It is a display of low value as a husband to laugh at the possibility of your wife flirting. At this point you should very aggressively mate guard. Not like a whiny wimp. Like the leader of your marriage. If your wife isn't already completely un-attracted to you and you mate guard aggressively, it will be very attractive to her. If your wife already has no respect for you, this approach won't work, but you're already in deep trouble at that point anyway.
Op only made one mistake,and that is making a girlfriend out of a clearly non-girlfriend material chick. She should have been a plate with those atributes(tatoos,cc history). From the story you can see that op is nowhere near mastering the red pill philosophy( he made a gf out of totaly wrong girl, he was "dying inside" when he realised that she is into doing the bet,and you can still see some emotional attachment from him) but he scored 100 points on his test and did the best thing he could in the given circumstances.
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Some of us will never be a RP master but his RP training paid off.
"Dying inside" is not wrong, its a feeling and a call to action. His actions were measured and controlled. Kudos to him.
wait can you reiterate your main point i'm kind of confused...i want to know this for my own situation. What is the proper way to respond when your LTR is hitting on another guy or getting hit on and responding in a positive way?
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For real I'm impressed. Hats off to you op.
3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Yeah feel no regrets man, you have nothing to feel sorry for. Way to go! :D
Love it. You shamed her and directly raised your value through your entire social circle by being able to walk away from a woman who was unworthy of your affections and who would be willing to choose an AMOG over you. So long as you have other plates and really don't care about losing this one, that's a solid way to end the relationship and punish bad behaviour.
There's a lot of scenes even just a couple of decades ago that would catch large amounts of flak if they were made today. I think it might warrant a post once I get a day off.
Tattoos? CC veteran? Drinker? GUY FRIENDS? She is no LTR material. You ought to be more choosy in the future if you wish to avoid that "dying inside" feeling you gave yourself. You were dying inside because you started liking this woman and she disappointed you tremendously. You should know in the future that a woman like this will only disappoint you and is a waste of your attention.
Good advice. That "dying inside" was the shattering of the fantasy of her being a good girl. Not like she ever pretended she was one, this was OP's over-estimation of her value from the start.
It's really the hardest part about TRP. Realizing that this is just how fucked the game is. Unless you're a part of MGTOW, you're going to have to see the ramifications of women being women.
It's always tough to get over these kinds of things because let's face, no man actually wants to believe TRP is real. We want to believe women are playing the same game as men and not constantly subconsciously doing things to confirm her attraction to us where if we fail a single time it could mean the end of her attraction. Being on guard all the damn time sucks.
The expression "Don't hate the player, hate the game." is too true when it comes to TRP. I'll never go back to my BP mentality but God how I miss that fantasy. I truly miss the hope that I'd find some super hot, well behaved innocent girl who would hopelessly fall in love with me, always be faithful and we'd live happily ever after.
The truth sucks, but the more I open my eyes, the more I realize it just can't be denied.
I'm not going to jump to any conclusions on your comment. I do have a few questions. First id like to state I mean no disrespect from any of this, I just feel I can better form an opinion on this if I have more information.
So, without going too into detail I was wondering if you'd tell me. 1. I'm assuming this woman is your wife. True? 2. How old are you? 3. What do you do for a living. 4. How long have you been together with this woman? How long have you known her?
I assure you I am not trying to disprove you or argue or anything like that. This is purely my own curiosity. Also, not that you can give a definite answer, but I am also curious how female dating mentality differs in your country as opposed to the U.S.
One can hate the game and accept it for what it is at the same time. Yes, hate is pointless and wasted energy but I can't say I enjoy the games women play. The point I was rather trying to convey was that you can't hate women in TRP mentality. You can only hate the way things are but that doesn't stop it from being true. If that makes sense.
18 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
♂
I was thinking the same exact thing while reading OP's post. It sounds like somebody had an acute case of the NAWALT, and had expectations that this woman's past would not influence her (and therefore his) future. "Hot and good fun in bed" are qualities of a plate, not an LTR.
he gave her the benefit of the doubt... I say it's good to keep yourself open like that. It's better to have a pool story \every few months, than to be a cynic and assume the worst of everyone.
He has his head up, he may take a few, but he'll get back up
"Hot and good fun in bed" are qualities of a plate, not an LTR.
Could you explain that last comment?
From RP, I've taken that when you're able to maintain frame and increase attraction in a LTR, she will be compelled to be damn good in bed (if only to increase her SMV to match yours).
18 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Those qualities, absent any other qualities, means she is only good enough to be a plate. An LTR must be hot, good in bed, and have other feminine redeeming qualities to invest further into an LTR situation.
It's pathetic that most women think they are hot shit just because they have the two plate qualities. It's a shame really. If people were generally less lazy and honed skills instead of watching tv, the quality of all human interaction would be so much higher. Right now I feel like im sifting through a giant pile of shit.
Huge red flag. Friends at work or class, whatever. Social circle and group hamgouts includes guys, of course. Solo dates with other guy "friends"? She's orbiting your replacements right in front of you, and everyone around you knows it.
Take it from someone who tried to white knight for his angel for ten years. Every single guy she orbited kissed her, or worse. No exaggeration. You cant put up with that shit in an LTR. If she has boy"friends" then you have girl"friends" and she's just another plate.
I guess before entering the LTR it may be acceptable that she has guy friends, like most hot girls i suppose. But once she starts a LTR with you, you should tell her to stop that? She might drop the: "why are you telling me this now?" and you might end up like a jeallous bitch.
My last gf had two close high school friends (i dont consider them orbiters) and said to like to hang around her guyfriends more than girlfriends cause "women are too bitchy" (im not saying i agree women and men can be friends). She considered this two guys her close friends. So whenever i found out about that i should have accepted it as a red flag and stoped things from going further?
Passive aggressive will get you nowhere in an LTR. If you are serious about an LTR you set your expectations, draw a clear line around your comfort zone, communicate a warning when the line is about to be crossed and enforce penalties when it actually is crossed ; penalties that are clearly connected to the line crossing event in the LTR's mind.
If you are serious with about an LTR it should be crystal clear that you are not putting up with orbiting x boyfriend bullshit. She will do it regardless but she needs to know it is unacceptable. I would not marry a woman who is besties with her x or sees charlie once a week for lunch. Women know that male friends are roadblocks to an LTR. In the end it's just another shit test.
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Look, it's not just one thing. If she has guy friends and is otherwise ok, then it's fine. However, any one red flag should make you look closer at her personality. Why do girls hate her or why does she hate girls? Why do guys want to hang out with her? Has she done anything with her guy friends in the past or has any guy friend attempted anything (guys usually don't attempt something unless they know the answer has a high chance of being yes) and so on.
My ex-LTR had a lot of guy friends but also a lot of girl friends. The way she interacted with the guy friends left no room for doubt that it was really just platonic. They never even thought of making a move.
One plate I had also had some guy friends, but when we were telling each other stories about getting drunk, she said she once had sex with a close male friend when they were both drunk. To me, I couldn't look at her the same way ever again
My move would have been to reduce comfort and other LTR benefits and if she turtled and went to the other guys for validation, I would have my answer (that my SMV wasn't high enough). And next her
more than girlfriends cause "women are too bitchy"
This is always bullshit though. A girl that doesn't have girl friends is like a guy without guy friends - and guys without guy friends are either gay or just beta orbiting chumps
I dont. Im asking because thats why i had jeallousy issuies with last gf. Too many guy friends. How can i handle this? or, as a red flag, just never turn a girl with lots of guy friends into a gf?
Girls with lots of guy friends are either sluts with a lot of ex BFs, or a chick with a lot of orbiters, who will cock block you just as much if not more than her GFs.
I have two good ones. Though the one was a huge wingman for years, and was the only one who could drink me under the table (not bad for a skinny one with D's) and the other is probably more red pill than 90% of the people in here.
Though the one was a train wreck, if you were into that, and the other tends to like them young (40 with 20 year old young) so were never in the same spheres of influence
I got pretty good at assuring the guys that I'm not a threat, and probably a good wingman for them
Depends on how wise the woman is. If she sets firm boundaries and doesn't put herself in compromising situations, then yes. Most young girls don't, largely due to naiveté on their part. Women aren't wired to look at every person of the opposite sex as a sexual prospect the way that men are.
Edit: Downvoted, seriously? I guess some people don't like to hear the truth.
Probably downvoted because one of the main principles here is to basically look at things in terms of rule-sets and not worry about the outliers.
There are always going to be exceptions to every rule: "most people do this, but a few will do that" are the type of thing we want to avoid, we want reliable data that can be put to use.
Saying "some young naive girls don't set proper boundaries but some older wiser women do set proper boundaries and therefore you can't know if their male friends are a threat or not until you really get to know them intimately" isn't constructive with what we're trying to learn here. It's much better (from a mans perspective) to just say "when a girl has lots of guy friends that's a huge red flag and generally makes the girl non-LTR material."
edit: I think this is more of a generational thing where our modern society is expected to tolerate and respect all opinions and choices and to understand that each human is unique and different but the reality is that most people follow very predictable patterns and habits and to ignore that is stupid.
Thank you for taking the time for providing your explanation, it was helpful. I now understand that the answer is different in the context of RP theory. However, I was responding honestly to the question as I understood it, that is, in general, can men and women ever have strictly platonic relationships.
Cosmetic body modifications indicate dissatisfaction with their body state to the point they make extensive and hard to undo alterations. Has a high correlation with a pathological level of attention seeking, which often also coincides with difficulty maintaining monogamous relationships.
1) Statistics of small numbers: similar to observational selection (e.g., My parents smoked all their lives and they never got cancer. Or: I don't care what others say about Yugos, my Yugo has never had a problem.) Simply because someone can point to a few favorable numbers says nothing about the overall chances.
2) Confusing a qualified observation with an absolute one. (for example, interpreting "high correlation" as "always every time".)
Basically, you'd have to look at their particular relationships to determine the precise reason for its longevity- they could be with a person that has a much higher "SMV" to the point that it mutes any impulse to cheat/leave/etc. Or any number of other factors could be at work. But that still does not change the general trend in the population at large, nor the level of awareness men need to have in order to not get taken advantage of.
First of all, don't ever let a other guy make sexual remarks about your girl. Let alone talking about her sucking him off, even as a "joke". Also, your girl agreeing, as a "joke", is already down to blow him.
You handled it like a goddam boss. You won like a fucking chess master. To them, it appeared as if you were some dumb beta betting his own woman's mouth over a game of pool, then you sunk the black on purpose, grinned and shook his hand and told him "You can have a go at this whore, I'm done with her pussy". You laughed like, "These bums thought I was a Beta, I got options bitch, who the fuck you trynna play?", then went to get some pussy elsewhere. Game mastery at its best, Alpha overdose.
2 months is nothing dude. Thats like a fling. Neither of you should be so invested in the other at that point. She probably wont even count it on her ex bf count.
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Of course she wouldn't, she's probably a Virgin. Women take there partner count gauge how gullible a man is and then either divide it by 3 or 0.
The fact that the friend found convenient to make that joke up shows how little value perceived from OP. That is disrespect and OP should have called him out.
Ill go ahead and say it. If he had a fuckbuddy on the side while having made her his GF then he is no better than her. Arguably even worse as it is possible she was faithful (although I agree the red flags were all there and nexting her was the right decision). So hopefully it was just a fuckbuddy from before the relationship which is very possible.
Nobody should have their cake and eat it to which is really one of the biggest gripes of RP (alpha fux, beta bux). We dont get a pass just because were men. Its the opposite actually, as men we are the ones who should set the bar for the relationship and have integrity.
Yes. And if thats all he was doing then its fine. Im in a relationship now myself and have 3 plates I'd be fucking if I wasnt with her. They hit me up from time to time to see if im DTF still but I'm not utilizing them currently.
Chances are good I'll lose end up losing one or more of those plates as the relationship progresses. Not a big deal.
Only one problem. You don't need other girls to keep your options open. Completely single is an option. A good one. And guy with confidence or abundance mentality don't need a whore on speed dial to know the next one is right around the corner.
"Things are as they are. Looking out into it the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations."- Alan Watts
Caught up in the height of morals, it's easy to delude ourselves into believing we're above our animal nature.
Men want many women, women want the best man - nothing right or wrong about it, it just is what it is.
11 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
While this is a place to discuss amoral sexual strategy, I (personally) don't believe that it gives you carte blanche to do whatever the fuck you want. If you agree to be in a relationship with someone, and you don't honor that relationship, you're not being amoral, you've crossed over into being immoral.
That's a cool quote, and we all know it's true, but I do wish TRP would stop and think sometimes about the texture of different situations.
you don't honor that relationship, you're not being amoral, you've crossed over into being immoral.
You're right & those are good standards to have for ourselves, alas what I'm saying is expecting people to be moral or honorable is a great way to be disappointed: life's much easier when you trust others to act in their own interest.
But if I could devise an experiment proving that 1+1=3 then we'd consider the experiment faulty, ourselves insane, or the universe wrong. There are some facts ordained apriori by the laws of thought, and whether they are products of the human mind or universal truths is an open question. C.S. Lewis has suggested that morality, like math and logic, may be among these apriori truths.
Why not? I like having my cake and eating it too. It's not "cheating" if you haven't agreed to be exclusive, or if you've explicitly told her that you're not willing to be monogamous.
The problem with this woman's behavior was her lack of respect towards her boyfriend. My main knows I chase other women. I've made it very clear that I refuse to be monogamous. I even invite her in on it sometimes. But I wouldn't disrespect her by letting some other woman hang all over me in public, in front of her friends, and then making jokes about how I'm going to fuck the other woman. That's a dick move that would humiliate her and cause her to lose status among her friends.
Basic respect and discretion are important for both men and women. If you're with someone who is disrespectful, and has no qualms trying to humiliate you in public, then you need to tell them to kick rocks.
Why not? I like having my cake and eating it too. It's not "cheating" if you haven't agreed to be exclusive, or if you've explicitly told her that you're not willing to be monogamous. The problem with this woman's behavior was her lack of respect towards her boyfriend. My main knows I chase other women. I've made it very clear that I refuse to be monogamous. I even invite her in on it sometimes. But I wouldn't disrespect her by letting some other woman hang all over me in public, in front of her friends, and then making jokes about how I'm going to fuck the other woman. That's a dick move that would humiliate her and cause her to lose status among her friends.
Yes but the way you went about it is fine. You aren't being dishonest or duplicitous to her or yourself. I was mainly using it as an analogy in regards to people taking what they want, while pretending to offer something back which they really are not (in this case commitment and honesty).
Are you having your cake and eating it to? I suppose, but it sounds like she is willingly taking a bite of that cake and feeding it back to you. Nothing wrong with that, but its by no means a common situation.
Basic respect and discretion are important for both men and women. If you're with someone who is disrespectful, and has no qualms trying to humiliate you in public, then you need to tell them to kick rocks.
Agreed on all points, and if you fail to tell them to kick rocks then you are the epitome of a beta doormat.
1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Fuck off. It's a level field, the Red Pill is amoral. If you don't like it go join /r/punchingMorpheus
Fuck that. I only date girls who are cool with me fucking other chicks, and know that they're not allowed to fuck other men. If they don't like it then that's totally cool, I'll just go back to fucking chicks and forget the relationship.
Being in a solo relationship as a young man is a stupid thing to do.
Oh the irony of guys thinking were exempt from the way relationships are supposed to work.
You do realize by your logic, the woman you would end up marrying you would have been cheating on the whole time right? But thats ok right because hurr durr so alpha bro. Nope, youre just a whore.
Either that or she was a thing before the relationship. He was only with this gf for 2 months, it's not hard to imagine his fuckbuddy would still be around
Quality test: A man's version of a shit test but involves more tangible challenges such as testing loyalty, decision making, nurture instinct. A quality test is crucial in picking a LTR with actual relationship value vs a woman's shit test which deals with superficial like are you alpha? Are you cool? Whats your social status. A shit test is used to see if a woman sees you as a potential alpha cock to brag on her facebook.
She should have just said "no" to being used as a game wager. What self respecting woman will be willing to be used as a token chip in a game? Especially in a fantasy setup of being traded as a sex payment.
She has other red flags and considering the goaded bet offered "i win, your woman blows me" probably means the two fucked in the past and she has no qualms being passed around.
Plus it was a major shit test to you seeing if you are alpha enough to win the bet and win her as a prize.
Let's just call it a shit test, because that's what it was. She thought she was shit testing him, but he instantly flipped it around so the shit test was on her. She wasn't astute enough to realize this, and as a result she bombed.
somehow the guy was offering to play me at pool and if he won my gf would give him a bj. It was only in a jokey way to be fair and I am a much better pool player.
I don't understand how even in a 'jokey' way that's acceptable. I mean, shit.
yeah, never call out another mans pool playing... Didn't anyone watch colour of money?
Having said that, OP kind of did the oppositte of Tom cruise. he made it look like he lost fair and square, OP threw the fight worst than Tyson vs Douglas
Exactly. If he really didn't give a crap then it wouldn't be much of a story. But the sheer growth in this story is amazing. It's like the guy went from benching 150 pounds to 200 in a single session.
Hah, Let's be honest, the fuck buddy thing probably didn't happen, lol.
All jokes aside, I too made the mistake of LTR a girl just like the chick in the story. That "dying inside" feeling you speak of is a telltale sign that you need to abandon fuckin ship. Took me months and multiple "dying inside" feelings to leave, but you ripped the band aid off completely and bounced. Bravo.
As far as the dude in the story.. when he said that joke, you should have seriously checked that behavior immediately. I don't care that he "seems like a nice guy" and that he said it in a joking manner. Nah.
I don't care what kind of man he is and I don't care that you are a better pool player. It doesn't matter -- That was some serious disrespect from him and you should have handled it with some serious words. Set boundaries.
The pool game (under those rules) shouldn't have been played in the first place. That's where you messed up. But again, good move with dropping her.
Hell, fuck the guy and fuck the pool game, your GF flirting with him in your presence says it all.
Thank you! At least someone has common sense. The FACT that the other guy thinks he can initiate a joke like that (I doubt it was a joke) in front of OP's face and your girl.... Speaks volumes to her respect to OP.
Agreed. To be honest, both the guy and his girl called him a bitch to his face that night. The guy with the whole "if I win, your girl blows me" game and the fact that his gf was flirting with the guy in front of his face that same night.
OP left the chick and he gets props for that, but he (and a few people angry at me in this thread) are not allowing OP to take the L.
Jesus, It's a lot of sensitive dudes on redpill today. The estrogen is overwhelming. A lot of you dudes are getting exposed and it's amusing.
Let's try this again. When the guy in OP's story says "if you lose this pool game, your girl sucks my dick" no one bats an eye, but as soon as someone OP doesnt know from the mean streets of Philadelphia makes innnocent little joke about a girl that may or may not exist, every one loses their minds!
What you miss is both the guy and OP girlfriend is basically saying fuck you to OP with their actions. You can't "agree and amplify" when you're "dying inside." OP KNEW that he fucked up. The weekends almost here, bros. Let's keep it real on redpill.
Also, this girl was his GIRLFRIEND. It's a litttttleeee tooo late to show the guy that "OP doesnt give a fuck about this piece of trash whore."
If your gf and her guys friends are doing this shit, then you haven't earned their respect in the first place. If you don't have their respect, telling the guy off won't change that, no matter how tough and serious you seem. OP's decision demonstrated that he respects himself enough to exit a situation like that entirely. Cutting your losses and demonstrating with action what you will not stand for.
Granted, I think your approach of setting a dude straight would be appropriate if your gf was not flirting with the guy or feeding into shit. Because at that point, he'd just be crossing lines. If OP had a solid faithful gf who respected him, you can be sure he wouldn't check in with her to see if she's down. There would be no question and he'd confront the dude. But OP asked this question because the context was ripe with bullshit- bullshit he had no reason to stick around and fight for. He's better off without them, and I think that's the part that you're missing. Not every girl is worth fighting for. PS you're not the only one keeping it real here, lol.
Nah, I keep it real. Almost too real. Let it be known, I agree that OP did the right thing with cutting this bitch off. I agree with everyone who clicked the little arrow pointing upward and clamored "yeah, OP! You showed her!!!!!" We're all cool.
OP does Not need this in his life, so good job to him for dropping her.
However, on some real man shit, here are the facts : OP came into a place with a girlfriend he was happy with.. and ultimately got spoken to like a bitch from another man.
Isn't the number one red pill rule "put yourself first?" You guys are killing me.
Tell me where you guys party so I can show up and say the same thing to you and your girls and watch you leave on some "maintaining frame" shit.
Again, I'm not saying go berserker barrage and put the dude in an armbar, but speak the fuck up.
At the very least, I would have pulled him to the side, talked to him man to man and let him know that that was unacceptable. I damn sure wouldn't have reached into the depths of my mind for some "red pill" theory to apply like "holding frame." Shit is just common sense.
Again, I'm not saying start a poolhall brawl like Jackie Chan in Rush Hour, but there would be zero smiles on my face in this situation.
Dude has to be let known that he's crossed a boundary. That's all i'm saying. I don't understand the backlash.
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Do it in front of everyone I'd say. Dude doesn't deserve the respect of being pulled aside since he did not show the same respect himself.
Here's the thing about women. When they shit on you. There is no coming out of no where with the disrespect. Her actions at the pool spot was not new, I guarantee it.
I agree with you, but it does not invalidate my argument. If this was what it took for him to recognize then everything before was not obvious enough or she got careless
Nah, I respectfully disagree. My "machismo attitude" applies here. It's about respecting yourself as a man. If a any man can joke about performing a sexual act with your girlfriend to your face and you're all "lmao, you're such a riot!" about it, then I don't know what to say to you guys. I hope this is not the common belief of guys nowadays.
Maybe I should go out tonight and joke to some guy that "I want to put my tongue in his girls asshole" if he cant out drink me at the bar and see what happens. Innocent jokes about me or my girlfriend are fine. I can brush that off.
But sexual act type jokes about my girlfriend? Nope.
I'm not saying OP should have tackled him to the ground and put him the texas cloverleaf, but I AM saying a stern look and a "yo, that's not cool. chill out" or something would have been better than the "lmao! rack em up!!" thing OP did.
Dude that he just met, that knows his gf through work, made a joke about her giving him a BJ. Not sure how anyone would let that slide. A record scratch sound with a "what the fuck did you just say" seems to be the only answer.
My first reaction was, this guy did a solid here, high-five. Then I re-read the backstory:
Gf was always going to be trouble because she has tattoos and is a veteran of the CC but I was with her because she is hot and good fun in bed.
OP should have plated her from the get-go. Instead, for the shallow reason that all she has to offer is that "she is hot and good fun in bed", he keeps her as a gf and then is surprised that she acts like a slut. I don't understand people who choose to fuck idiots and then complain that, "Golly that slut was an idiot". Ever consider that maybe you're the idiot for choosing poorly?
Sometimes you really don't know or forget the social commitment that the bf gf thing entails beyond fidelity.
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Just an idea, and because none of us was there to study her reaction, maybe we think she was so confident in you (her alpha) that she knew you would win - and certainly wouldn't suck the dude's cock even if you lost.
She might've thought that she was supporting you (in her own way) in your endeavor to drag this real pansy across the table, you stud you.
I have a girl that I really have to watch out how I joke with her, because she will do exactly as I say (for fear of not following instructions satisfactorily). If I was in a similar situation as yours, she'd probably react like I mentioned that your girl might've.
Or ... maybe you're dead-on on your assessment and played it perfectly. If so, good on ya. Nicely played.
She was "so confident in her alpha" that she would comply with other guy's joking frame for a bj as a prize?
Why would you even open that path? If I got in a LTR and she didn't give him a look like he said he fucked goats for a living, she wouldn't be worthy and she'd probably sniff the beta off me if I complied with the game "as a joke"
"But baby you would never suck another mans cock, we have twue wuv on our side! You rode the CC in the past but it's different because you have me!"
That little leniency is how a lot of women capitalize on alpha fux
Just an idea, and because none of us was there to study her reaction, maybe we think she was so confident in you (her alpha) that she knew you would win - and certainly wouldn't suck the dude's cock even if you lost.
She might've thought that she was supporting you (in her own way) in your endeavor to drag this real pansy across the table, you stud you.
Because I don't think if you're in a seemingly monogamous relationship ("seemingly" since OP did have a FwB on the side), giving another guy a BJ isn't something to joke about. Especially to an RP guy, that would only indicate a redflag that she actually ponders the idea of doing other guys.
3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I understand and appreciate what you're saying.
However, there are girls out there who simply aren't that clever and blindly cling to every word we say. If she is like that, and was 50/50 on whether or not he was joking, she could've made a quick judgement call without the time to fully process the dilemma - and simply made the wrong call. Not all girls are clever enough to always to make the right call - even in a case such as Op's.
At best, it would be a lesson for her (shit test/dread game) and, guaranteed, she'd never make that stupid mistake again.
Then this is natural selection at work. If she's a dumb cunt, why do you want her mothering your babies? Not LTR material that's for certain. Fuck and chuck. Don't inseminate. Burn your condoms.
My thoughts on this align with yours. I would check the guy for trying to make a bet like that. I would tell him he's disrespecting my girl and that he owes her an apology. I would only be mad at her if she took his side over mine (as in, "come on babe he's only joking let's play")
All that said, inviting a bunch of guy friends to hang out is an annoyingly obvious shit test. She put you in a position to amog or get amogged. I don't necessarily blame her - it's basically instinctive. I'm just saying it sucks.
25 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
inviting a bunch of guy friends to hang out is an annoyingly obvious shit test.
If it can be proven that she invited the extra cocks, that in itself was INDEED a massive shit test on an epic level to begin with. She wanted to give OP some competition to see if he'd white knight her. He actually, IMO, did the correct thing in creatively nexting her in front of everybody. If he'd been a little pussy and started bro-lecturing the AMOG for trying to move in on "his girl", she'd have found OP pathetic and would have eventually blown the other guy anyhow.
Nah. Sometimes you gotta play and end the game with a power move. Op clearly walked out like a boss. I mean, betting blowjobs? How is he supposed to let that rock? Thats an ultimate disrespect to him as the boyfriend if the girl is "jokingly" saying yeah. He left her like she was trash and walked out like a boss.
Agreed, he did it because she lets him talk to her like that.
3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
All that said, inviting a bunch of guy friends to hang out is an annoyingly obvious shit test.
I don't think she necessarily arranged the gtg (from Op's text), but either way, this is one reason I don't hang out at places like that anymore. It's a constant battle with guys trying to be the top silverback to win over my girl (or a buddy's girl). It gets tiring.
Side note (and gentle reminder to us) - Op did say that she was flirting with the guy. That's too much for me to set back and take too. Even once. I don't have time for that shit and I don't play Second Fiddle to anyone - and neither should any man who subscribes to TRP.
It's possible it's as you described. But even then, consider it a hard learned lesson on her part. She really should know better than to disrespect her man like that.
i dunno ops situation either but, i thought this too. she could have been showing confidence in him. knows he is good and didnt wanna say no way possibly thinking shed hurt his ego.
now i must again say, i saw no context so who knows.
2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Yeah, but I reconsidered when I re-read that she was flirting with the guy before hand. That alone would have been enough to justify Op's actions. We can't dismiss that inexcusable piece of the puzzle.
One of the guys is the classic cocky asshole type and my gf started flirting with him a bit but he seemed like an ok guy.
This part here comes off as if he is hamstering away his insecurities. We do not know OP, or his style, or a lot of things. OP made his choice, and he is happy with it. Awesome. I am just looking at all the possible reasons/logic.
This is beautiful. Initially I had an image of you desperately trying to play the best pool game of your life to ensure victory; instead you potted the fucking black, and secured a far more significant win. Sweet victory my friend, truly. Thanks for the story.
1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
This. The best part of the story is that the OP lost the billiards game early on and intentionally. Then he immediately nexted her. It's a great example of holding frame.
EDIT: as for whether or not your actions were RP, damn right they were. You kept your frame, didn't lose your cool, didn't put extra effort for the ho, made her feel like a slut (which she is) and made her chase you in the end.
Me, I would have beaten the shit out of that guy the moment he proposed that "if i win your girl gives me a blowjob" which would have been BP/Beta because I would have lost my frame, waste my breath for a whore and prolonged her presence in my life further.
Exactly. Getting into a fight over a proven slut would destroy his frame, raise her value, and motivate her to set up this exact scenario the next time.
There must be some comprehension problem on your part because the story makes perfect sense. The AMOG made a bet where if he wins, he gets a bj, and if he loses, well, nothing. GF takes the bet semi-jokingly seriously (shit test against OP), OP asks GF if the bet is acceptable to her (shit test flipped right back against her) and she says yes (shit test failed). Everyone expects OP to try to win the game and win his own girlfriend (lol so funny even typing that out) and he shocks everyone by sinking the 8 ball intentionally, congratulating AMOG, which makes his GF look like a worthless whore, AMOG look like a loser getting discarded sloppy seconds, and OP looking like a champ with greener grass on the other side.
While it serves to illustrate some red pill tenets, there's a plot hole in this fiction. If it truly was not really a bet than others gave much better resounds than OP.
I would say one last insane fuck session. Could help you realize how low value she is. See what she would do to please someone with such a higher value.
She probably wouldn't have even if op had stayed, played, and lost. But consider this, that guy was setting himself up to have a little inside joke about sex with a supposedly committed girl. "You know you still owe me a blow job right?" He'd be making that joke at work all the time.
This is why I think op should have called out the guy the very moment he made the joke.
22 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Then you get the "You're insecure!" card thrown at you for simply calling people out on their bullshit. Happened to me a few times. Where would you recommend going from there?
This is why the ONLY correct way to handle the scenario is exactly how OP did it. ALWAYS be the man willing to drop her at a moment's notice. Like another poster said, pre-empting this problem is key. Tell her early on that if she ever disrespects you around other people, she's gone. Don't be specific; it'll be up to her hamster wheel to think "if I do this, will he leave"? Then when she rejects advances in public, tell her what a great girl she is and reward her later somehow.
No, I think it's the job of the woman to protect her sexual reputation, it's the job of the man to value that reputation. In this case she did not, the value was lowered as a result. The correct path was taken to end it with her.
6 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
This is why I think op should have called out the guy the very moment he made the joke.
he asked her if shes ok with it. "his" GF said, "yes, if you lose i will suck THIS coworkers dick who dared to disrespect you like that in public".
if she were offended, and would say "no of course not, how dare you?" THEN he could check the guy.
This is why I think op should have called out the guy the very moment he made the joke.
It sounds like his girl was all about it. It was a great test of their new relationship and that bitch failed.
If she'd been clearly offended by the suggestion and wanted no part of it, that would have been the appropriate time to call the guy out for disrespecting him and his girl. However, since she was OK with it, I think he played his hand real well.
Just curious as others have asked, what kind of retort would you throw in there on the spot like that? How do you counter a guy throwing shit at you and your woman.
/u/LetMeSideBarThatForU gave a response above and I don't disagree on any particular point. His advice essentially boils down to gaming your way around the confrontation. That's definitely the preferred plan.
But, if you have to check another man, a general template would be to first give him an out that saves face. That could be as simple as, "what did you just say?" Let him laugh it off as a joke and then say, "okay well, don't make that joke again."
If he doesn't want to back off, the thing you want to do is go under the radar of his fight or flight reflex. What I mean is, no matter what the disagreement, if you jump up into a man's face, the rational part of his brain takes a back seat to the instinct. At that point, you're not so much communicating with him as dancing - ironically, this is probably exactly what the girl wanted. Two males, bashing their heads together. Happens in almost all sexual mammalian species. Once you start the dance, it goes on until someone is bleeding or running.
You fly under the radar of that instinct by doing the opposite of the thing that triggers it. Lower your voice. Slow your words. Use cultural cues rather than instinctive responses to communicate. That is to say, you put on a serious (not angry) face, you look him in the eye, and you say something like, "you're disrespecting me and my girlfriend too."
...and sometimes, you just have to be willing to fight.
For you to do this, you absolutely have to be willing to fight. If you just play it like you would fight but actually won't, most guys will sniff you out and keep playing.
Off-topic but even more important when dealing with animals, for example dogs and monkeys. They are true bullies
I honestly can't imagine any scenario where she would have blown him. OP completely flipped the tables and turned the AMOG into the beta loser in that situation. He's the crappy plastic 2nd place trophy now. The kind of plastic trophy that just takes up space and you want to throw in the garbage. And because he sabotaged her chances with OP, he doesn't even qualify for pity sex!
Impressive. I don't think you could have played it any better. That is exactly how to gain the upper hand over women, to neutralize the innate advantage they have when it comes to sex. By throwing the game you effectively lowered her sexual value, making her look like a slut and nothing more than a commodity to gamble on. Bravo sir!!
Bro, leaving aside the red flags, a man asked if your girlfriend will blow him, if he wins a game against you. Jokingly or not, it does not fucking matter. The man disrespected you, not her, you.
You left...instant proof that you can't stand for yourself and you don't value your time. Your gf(LTR) is an investment of time, energy and resources. If you present her to the world as your girl, then it means you put some effort towards the relationship. You just made it clear that you don't value your investment.
Next time, make the guy apologise to you for this disrespect. Leave her out of this, she has no part in this. Get her out of there, then hard next her for even considering it ( jokingly or not ).Also never LTR something like that again.
With that being said, cudos to you for the bold move, it takes some balls.
7 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Yeah, I agree somewhat. I would've just said "That was a bit disrespectful, don't you think? How about you apologize to me, to my woman, and we can continue on like that didn't just happen." It would've then been tense and awkward, but you show that you have "boundaries" (so tired of that word) and stand by your principles.
But then again, if he said that and my woman was all happy and found it hilarious and flirty... then yes, I would've made your move, for sure.
2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
nice dude. its always easier to talk the talk than to walk the walk.
Ok so not to be nit picking, because how OP dealt with it was amazing, but it would have been Infiniti/10 if he sinks all the balls but one and then sinks the 8 for the loss.
Lol no dude, the ultimate Bruce Lee move would have been to sink all the colored balls, then sink the 8 ball with enough backspin to cause the cue ball to fall backwards into a pocket.
Ding ding ding. This probably isn't the first "invite".
The point is. In stead of looking like some kind of weak ass who got cheated on, you completely spun this the other way around. It wouldn't even matter if it came to light that and she went on to tell her friends that she was cheating on you. What happened, the way you played that out there, far surpasses gossip.
edit: of course I feel I should say it. If you do go back with her, you're going to be that guy who had sloppy seconds with his GF. Nobody will ever want to look at you in the eye and you will never fuck anyone in that circle of friends. Keep away from her if you want pussy from that town. Even being caught talking with her will look bad.
She may have just had the confidence that you'd win & wanted to make you look good. Although her openly agreeing (without your ask) is a little fucked up. This is certainly in the top 10 threads i've ever read here, i cannot stop laughing. Well done man.
1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Real RP, teach those bitches to have some goddamn class and loyalty. Good work mate.
If you want some residual value, you could always drop a note you'll be at X club/bar and have her follow you around a bit before dismissal. If she's hot, social proof.
Brilliant, I wouldn't of thought of that myself, I would of just left if she agreed to that but that message sends out humor and like you have no problem with the guys.
Gf was always going to be trouble because she has tattoos and is a veteran of the CC but I was with her because she is hot and good fun in bed.
I don't care how hot she is, you plate girls like that...
my gf started flirting with him a bit but he seemed like an ok guy.
In front of you? Ok, she's definitely not girlfriend material...
The evening wore on and we played pool and got a bit drunk until the subject got onto sex and somehow the guy was offering to play me at pool and if he won my gf would give him a bj.
Sounds to me like she's a slut, and other guys know she's a slut. Or, you're a piece of shit beta. Do you think someone would make that preposition to Brad Pitt?
I've completely washed my hands of her she is messaging me constantly and even turned up at my house banging on the door but I've been blanking her completely. Not sure if the way I dealt with it was rp but I feel great. And my gf didn't get with the guy. I spoke to our friend and he said she was heartbrokenly talking about me for the rest of the evening lol.
You did the right thing. What type of girl agrees to give another guy a blowjob? Even Tinder sluts I hook up with in 30 minutes pretend they're not slutty, and say shit like "were not gonna have sex today." I don't know what type of girl would not even put up a slut shield. This is indeed the most TRP thing you could've done. Congrats.
There is a difference between women and men that allow men to be able be more promiscuous without consequence. Either way, if she was fine with him having another girl, I don't see the problem.
I meant in terms of relationships. Once a girl whites herself out to a hot alpha, any other man she is with she holds contempt for, as they will never fit that standard.
what you just suggested is essentially what he did... except the way he handled it made him look more like a badass to not only the woman, but everyone who witnessed it.
I know a lot of guys (particularly bp) that would have lost their shit if an AMOG made a joke like that.
say "That is absolutely unacceptable to me, for you to even think about it. Therefore we are no longer in a relationship, period" and walked away
That's exactly what OP did, just with fewer words. Even shook the guy's hand. She may not admit that she knows exactly what she did wrong (egging the guy on and agreeing to the bet), but she definitely knows she crossed a line with him.
On another note, I'd like to know where "leave them better than you found them" came from. I've heard that once or twice before; is that sidebar material? I'd like to see the context.
There's a distinction here that you're overlooking and it's the projection of indifference. A man saying "that's unacceptable to me" implies that he's begrudgingly breaking up with her to go home and jerk off while crying in the bathtub. A man smiling and saying "you can have her, mate!" implies that he's going off to bang one of his many other orbiter girls.
It may seem like potatoes potahtoes to you but trust me, the difference is night and day. His actions screamed value.
This sub likes to talk about the cock carousel being bad while being part of it.
No, it's not bad or good. This sub is basically about acknowledging it exists and explaining the consequences of it to both genders. Every girl is free to ride it, every guy is free to be a seat on the carousel. The main thing you don't get is that the consequences are different for men and women. Because men and women have different biologies and psychological make-ups.
Any adult can decide to be CC and own the consequences; no one here will say otherwise.
RP is about explaining reality and consequences, not moral judgments.
I'm saying that doesn't sound like a Red Pill outlook. A google search turned up a quote by Marvin Ashton, a tumblr page, and a blog post by Robin Sharma trying to sell a book.
I'm all for not being a dick when it isn't needed. I was trying to see what you meant when you posted that and how it applies to this thread.
Epic fucking story! I can imagine it in the script of a movie! You rock bro!
Congratulations for I think you have achieved something that many of us here (including myself) haven't: true abundance mentality. You are at the next level mate!
If you have not done so, I highly recommend reading the side bar links. Not saying this to be an arse or anything, the concepts you will pick up there will enable you to see the world in a way that allows you to protect yourself from these women.
Side bar my friend, its all there, but anyways since i'm already here. It means in the past she rode a lot of the cock carusel (CC). She mindlessly banged hot dudes just because she did, thinking it wound have an effect on her future, but well it does, it changes you and something like what OP described happens to a woman. She flirts nonchalantley while her BF is present and wants to suck dick thats not yours. As for the veteran part, i think OP meant that she thinks she doesn't want to ride the CC anymore and thinks its over. Its like with the bloodthirsty war veterans, they cant kill anymore, but the urge is still there somewhere. Hope i could help
The fuck? You could have kept it as a joke like you originally intended but you basically gave your girlfriend away. This isn't "alpha" and she's not really one to blame. If you wanted to break up with her you should have just done so instead of giving her away and then whining like she is some skeet hoe.
-1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
To see my "fuck buddy". Bro...You get mad at your chick for suggesting she would like to suck a guy off but you mention going to see your fuck buddy...
OP commented elsewhere that he put the fuckbuddy on hold when he went exclusive with his ex and that there was no cheating.
1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
lets say he was cheating on her: he still had enough respect not to rub it in her face and expect her to take it. she on the other hand PUBLICLY insulted and disrespected him.
One of the guys is the classic cocky asshole type and my gf started flirting with him a bit but he seemed like an ok guy.
You should never tolerate this kind of behaviour from a gf. For a plate you might just ignore her and flirt with other girls (deny her attention and show you don't care), but for a gf to do this is very disrespectful. You can't hang around and let her do this--you need to punish her immediately. The first time she ever does something like this you need to make it clear that it isn't acceptable and she can never do it again. The simplest way to punish her is to leave immediately (with or without her--and don't discuss why right away, bring it up later).
the guy was offering to play me at pool and if he won my gf would give him a bj.
By buying into this guy's frame with the bet you essentially acknowledged that your gf is a whore. The guy was shit testing you and you failed. You should have reframed this somehow: e.g. "You mean can't get a bj except by winning a bet?" "Sure, and if you lose I get your car" "Just cuz your gf's a whore doesn't mean mine is" &c
Lol dude, you obviously don't understand what a shit test is. A shit test is when you ask a trick question that is designed to gauge the sexual suitability of a partner. Unless the AMOG was sexually interested in the OP, it cannot be called a "shit test".
The only shit test in the story came from the OP, and it was directed at his girlfriend. The response that would have passed the shit test would have been "no, only my bf gets bjs from me". She failed his shit test miserably.
Putting all that tattoos alone, I'm curious about one thing. Is this joke "yeah I will blow you if you win haha" that bad that you can leave your girlfriend for that?
Another question. I know that "dying inside" feeling. What could he possibly do no to allow this kind of jokes from a guy he just met?
She has multiple red flags that show she can't be loyal LTR material. The fact that she drinks to a point where sucking another guys dick seems cool, has tattoos, and tons of guy friends deserves an instance next and not another minute of OP's time.
Sidebar if you haven't yet.
0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Do you really think she meant it? Maybe she was just kidding around.. Either way it's still a tasteless joke, she is so socially retarded that she makes a joke that ridicules her BF to all her guy friends.. Imagine if the tables were flipped and OP made a joke about how ugly and fat his girlfriend was to some thirsty hot female friends? He wouldn't hear the end of it. Fuck putting up with disrespect.
-5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Tattoos don't really mean shit. My current gf has them and we've been together since we were 14.
Not one or two tattoos and not small tattoos that she hides under her shirt sleeve either. Tattoos here refer to especially to things like tramp stamps (or any tattoos near her private regions) and tattoos she doesn't hide but are actually part of her style/identity. Tattoos as part of one's identity indicates that they may be an outlier of society. Men can be outliers ("bad boys") in many ways, it primarily means he's a rebel to society and may have been arrested, got into fights, or a number of things. If you're the RP guy, none of that matters to you. What matters to you is that when a woman dons the same fashion ("bad girl"), it usually means she's a rebel to her parents and a bitch to society. Her behavior does affect the relationship you have with her. So this is why tattoos on a woman are a Red Flag. It's not a cause of blame in itself, it is only one redflag among many more thtn you need to display suspicion that she needs to be Nexted!
Yeah what is with this hate on tattoos? It's art on your body. How does it have anything to do with your relationships.
2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
tattoos are for retards. people with huge tattoos in dumb places [neck, above their ass] show that they don't value themselves and their bodies. They dont think about jobs, how men will view them in the future [like sluts]. Girls with huge ass tattoos dont think about consequences and are a bad deal.
That's so silly. What if the woman was already settled into a career that didn't really care if she had tattoos or not. And how does having tattoos get you viewed as a slut? I don't automatically think that when I see a female with tattoos, that would be a pretty stupid thing to think. It's not really disrespect to your body. Who even decided that? It's a very old way of thinking that is dying out really fast.
Is this joke "yeah I will blow you if you win haha" that bad that you can leave your girlfriend for that?
Newsflash: you can leave your girlfriend for whatever the fuck you want. Everyone's entitled to their own personal boundaries, and if the other person crosses them, you can act accordingly.
Of course, it helps, and makes the process a lot fairer, to make your boundaries known first. In OP's case, on top of failing to select a worthy mate in the first place, he failed to set his boundaries.
That would never happen to me because, first, I would never go steady with a girl with as many red flags as OP's, and second, she would KNOW that if she said anything about sucking another man's cock around other people, particularly the man in question, regardless of the intent, she'd be gone. Thus, it would mean she would only ever say something like that once she'd lost all respect for me and were deliberately trying to embarrass or defy me. So it would be no "joke."
Now, if what she did wouldn't cross your boundaries, that's fine. There are guys who get off seeing their women fucked by other men. What you can't do is have your boundaries crossed and do nothing, or pretend that everything is ok when it isn't. That's when you start to slowly kill yourself.
Another question. I know that "dying inside" feeling. What could he possibly do no to allow this kind of jokes from a guy he just met?
Make yourself known as a man you wouldn't fuck with in the first place. If the guy pushed and did it anyway, let him know he's being a douche and you won't stand for it. It might get physical, but that's why you're a man.
It wasn't a "joke", it was a vulgar, public shittest. If you let her get away with that kind of public disrespect, things can only go downhill.
It was also her cheering on the challenger - I know a few guys that would've immediately gone to blows at the suggestion alone. Her playing along is a slap in the face.
And even if she was being "funny", it probably wasn't completely a joke - a woman knows that participating in any discussion like this is a signal of interest in the other guy. She may not have dropped to her knees right then, but she was at least setting up the challenger for the future.
Maybe not entirely RP, but it's a step in the right direction.
This was his girlfriend, not some bang piece. And she's openly flirting, and jokingly agreeing to blow some other guy in front of his face?
Provided that it played out as smoothly as OP described, this is practically RP-porn. A relationship two months in is usually still "honeymoon period", and he just drops her cleverly by sinking in the 8-ball.
It was obviously a joke, this guy acts like a butthurt high schooler. On top of that he admits to having a fuck buddy while having a girlfriend which is pretty scummy and not what TRP is about.
OP has strong boundaries. You can't openly disrespect OP and get a pass because it's just a joke. Also, OP commented later that the fuckbuddy was present before but not during the relationship.
OP, I started to say that you were tripping, but after putting myself in that situation, I would have dropped her too. Not sure if I would have done it immediately like you did, but I would have definitely done it.
The fact that she has guy friends with whom she's around a lot because of work and they feel comfortable enough to joke about her giving them a bj to me screams red flag. Then she was dumb enough to play along with it. Either she's fucking with you or she's stupid. Neither is acceptable for an LTR.
Even if I felt she didn't want the guy, the situation as a whole would have made me uncomfortable with being in an LTR with her.
Should not happen. Handled it admirably, shamed her in front of her friends, and should just walk into the sunset of this chick. There's absolutely nothing to be gained from taking her back, only losses.
How is claiming this was indicative of a larger future problem being a "slut apologist." I was calling out the attention seeking as a red flag.
6 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
It's called "Let's you and him fight" and it's a precursor to more drama.
Unless you're a girl or a sociopath (not that there's anything wrong with that), you probably want a relationship with the least drama you can manage. When she shows that she loves drama, you know that eventually you will become boring to her. Better preempt that and walk away so you can put your time into something more productive, like counting the little bumps on the ceiling.
She isn't a woman worth fighting for, bro. A woman worth fighting for doesn't act like that. OP handled the situation like a man and I'd have bought him a few rounds at the pub down the road if I'd witnessed it.
This is not red pill at all. This dude initiated a bet that if he won your girlfriend would blow him...? lol and your girlfriend was playing along with it and was agreeing...? LMAO
Dude, you must be delusional. You bought into his frame of even entertaining the idea of your gf gargling some other dudes nuts in her mouth with your permission... Sometimes I wonder how far some people would try to be alpha to write up some stupid post on here.
You are training your girl to think it's okay to act that way...
hehe... lose bf and I'll put this guys nuts in my mouth hehe...
Anyway your gf sounds like a slut to begin with, so I'm not even sure why you gave her that title in the first place... should of left her as a plate like the other girl you went to pay a visit.
4 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
You bought into his frame of even entertaining the idea of your gf gargling some other dudes nuts in her mouth with your permission
he intentionally lost the game as a way of saying "we are done, have fun sucking his dick im out".
In his defense, I think at that moment the OP realized that his girlfriend was never going to remain faithful to him, so he essentially dumped her right then and there. In the process, he publicly shamed her and made her question the value of her "pus*y power". I think he made a brilliant play......
This has to be most rp thing I've ever read. Congrats mate.
Agreed. Note the many downvoted comments that OP acted whiny and ran away.or fucked up by playing the game.
They dont realize that:
She definitely invited the guy to show up and neither she or he were "joking"
The only reason the girl is chasing OP and didn't get with the guy is that OP showed much more value than him. Her desire for OP shot through the roof and she no longer has interest in the other guy.
This is not just a strategy for plates. When your LTR shows signs of attraction to another guy you do samw thing minus the hard next.
Express zero hurt. Make it seem like its funny that she has a crush. Act like a cocky ass who would laugh at her making the mistake of a lifetime as "its all downhill from here babe"
Well done
Yeah she was going to blow him eventually anyway, OP made the right choice and even with style, nice going OP.
I have realized that you just can't win with them, you just have to cut your losses, next and walk away, it's not easy but it's that or keep dying inside, never surrender be that captain of your soul
be the conductor of your soul train and rail bitches.
I prefer "Be the gardener of your thoughts, not the soil in which they are grown."
I want this on my Tombstone when I die.
Exactly this.
LTRs work best when this kind of shit comes up and your remind her that she's replaceable. Never in my 10+ dating history have I seen any woman backpedal faster than when she thinks another woman might take her spot. This is from dating nice girls, ghetto chicks, strippers and professionals alike. Universal truism.
Yup. And never forget you are the prize. A very recent plate (2nd at-home date tonight) was begun very definitely with her knowing I actively date others, one of whom for two years now. I'm openly non-monogamous and everybody I date knows it.
Previous home-date was mine, so, she invites me to her place, and I comment that if I go there, she won't see my Saturnalia decorations. She texts, "Well, if you play your cards right, I may come over during the week").
My response: "MY cards, eh?"
Result: Total backpedal. Plausible deniability, "haha, just kidding. You know that, right? Right??? RIGHT???" (okay, I added the last two "rights", but the rest is real).
And I plan to be very busy next week. Xmas and all, you know?
Now there is something you and I can certainly agree on. The man and his time are the true prize. Women and their pussies? Not so much. Commodities.
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He means that when you're in a long term relationship, instead of actually dumping her, just use this as dread game (or to punish a shit test, I guess).
Correct. Its gonna happen that your wife will start talking about some new guy at work or some other kids dad is kinda "funny". The wrong approach is to ask a million questions and start mate guarding.
Instead you tease her about her new boyfriend. Ask if he sent any love letters today etc. Make sure you are treating this like its hysterical and it doesnt phase you a bit. Also run some dread and pull back on the comfort. Be a little busier than normal.
I actually think this is wrong. It is a display of low value as a husband to laugh at the possibility of your wife flirting. At this point you should very aggressively mate guard. Not like a whiny wimp. Like the leader of your marriage. If your wife isn't already completely un-attracted to you and you mate guard aggressively, it will be very attractive to her. If your wife already has no respect for you, this approach won't work, but you're already in deep trouble at that point anyway.
Op only made one mistake,and that is making a girlfriend out of a clearly non-girlfriend material chick. She should have been a plate with those atributes(tatoos,cc history). From the story you can see that op is nowhere near mastering the red pill philosophy( he made a gf out of totaly wrong girl, he was "dying inside" when he realised that she is into doing the bet,and you can still see some emotional attachment from him) but he scored 100 points on his test and did the best thing he could in the given circumstances.
Some of us will never be a RP master but his RP training paid off.
"Dying inside" is not wrong, its a feeling and a call to action. His actions were measured and controlled. Kudos to him.
He may not be a master but he's now a Legend!
Yeah. It takes nothing to drop a girl if you have no emotional investment in her. It takes everything if you care for her. It's like that one quote:
"Courage is not the lack of fear but the ability to face it"
No ones perfect. Figure if a guy stopes before she popps out a kid and a weight problem, he is a winner.
Just a matter of how long it takes
There's little wrong with having a girlfriend as long as
Eve if she was joking, it's a little early to be playing dread game.
That was just sloppy CC on her part
wait can you reiterate your main point i'm kind of confused...i want to know this for my own situation. What is the proper way to respond when your LTR is hitting on another guy or getting hit on and responding in a positive way?
For real I'm impressed. Hats off to you op.
Yeah feel no regrets man, you have nothing to feel sorry for. Way to go! :D
The "take this worthless bitch" move at the last was good, but everything until that was not.
Op lost serious face before that proposal was made. He managed a hard slap-in-face reversal, but that it started is a bad symptom.
Ok so what do you believe would be a better thing to do from the moment her friend arrived?
Nobody's going to be perfect 100% of the time. She was a slut to begin with. Sometimes a slut's a slut.
Love it. You shamed her and directly raised your value through your entire social circle by being able to walk away from a woman who was unworthy of your affections and who would be willing to choose an AMOG over you. So long as you have other plates and really don't care about losing this one, that's a solid way to end the relationship and punish bad behaviour.
Even if he had no one else, it was still the right thing to do.
Better to be alone, than with a girl trying to suck another mans cock" -Ghandi
"Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks" - Ben Franklin
"And these hoes will never be loyal.... llloooyyaaalll" - Lorde
"Don't believe everything you read on the interwebz" - Abraham Lincoln
Or "A-Link", as we call him.
I giggled at A-Link. Thanks for that.
Pretty sure that's my man Tyga :P
hey ram. you have no idea how hard I laughed at this. fucking unexpected.
That's what the "mentality" part of abundance mentality means.
You always have yourself. Self respect isn't worth all the plates in the world.
Best way to dump a ho ever.
No, the best is in Total Recall when Arnold Schwarzenegger shoots Sharon Stone right between the eyes and says, "Considah daht dah dahvorce!"
This was pretty good too though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYtQMhnBtTw
That scene wouldn't be made today.
Because of social justice warriors ninnies... It's only a great one liner if it's a woman doing the shooting.
funny, in the remake they have to fem up michael ironside....
I was a little peeved about that, the husband and wife sociopath team was kind of my favourite character part of the movie
There's a lot of scenes even just a couple of decades ago that would catch large amounts of flak if they were made today. I think it might warrant a post once I get a day off.
Watch the longest yard.
Not the carebear Adam Sandler version. The macho Burt Reynolds version.
In the opening scene his woman is jocking his nuts and he straight grabs her by the face and smashes her into a wall.
Definitely would not fly
Since they remade that movie recently you could compare the two. What better test case?
And this is how you hard NEXT with a style. AFCs, watch and learn. Well played OP, well played /slowclap
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Hard next means total cut off of all communication, no friendship.
Soft next= you may reconsider staying in contact but for the time being you go radio silent.
Hard next= someone fucked up to the point were you will not let them get the tiniest bit of your time ever again. I.e. no contact forever.
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This is my reaction to how you ended it. BUT--there is always a but--you made a mistake by even making this one a girlfriend to begin with.
Tattoos? CC veteran? Drinker? GUY FRIENDS? She is no LTR material. You ought to be more choosy in the future if you wish to avoid that "dying inside" feeling you gave yourself. You were dying inside because you started liking this woman and she disappointed you tremendously. You should know in the future that a woman like this will only disappoint you and is a waste of your attention.
Good advice. That "dying inside" was the shattering of the fantasy of her being a good girl. Not like she ever pretended she was one, this was OP's over-estimation of her value from the start.
People want to believe. Can't blame them really.
It's really the hardest part about TRP. Realizing that this is just how fucked the game is. Unless you're a part of MGTOW, you're going to have to see the ramifications of women being women.
Yea me neither, it's still hard sometimes to let go of that bs.
I WANT TO BELIEVE BUT IT HURTS SO MUCH GODDAMNIT.
i want to believe
It's always tough to get over these kinds of things because let's face, no man actually wants to believe TRP is real. We want to believe women are playing the same game as men and not constantly subconsciously doing things to confirm her attraction to us where if we fail a single time it could mean the end of her attraction. Being on guard all the damn time sucks.
The expression "Don't hate the player, hate the game." is too true when it comes to TRP. I'll never go back to my BP mentality but God how I miss that fantasy. I truly miss the hope that I'd find some super hot, well behaved innocent girl who would hopelessly fall in love with me, always be faithful and we'd live happily ever after.
The truth sucks, but the more I open my eyes, the more I realize it just can't be denied.
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I'm not going to jump to any conclusions on your comment. I do have a few questions. First id like to state I mean no disrespect from any of this, I just feel I can better form an opinion on this if I have more information.
So, without going too into detail I was wondering if you'd tell me. 1. I'm assuming this woman is your wife. True? 2. How old are you? 3. What do you do for a living. 4. How long have you been together with this woman? How long have you known her?
I assure you I am not trying to disprove you or argue or anything like that. This is purely my own curiosity. Also, not that you can give a definite answer, but I am also curious how female dating mentality differs in your country as opposed to the U.S.
Why not just accept the game as it is and play it. Hating is pointless
One can hate the game and accept it for what it is at the same time. Yes, hate is pointless and wasted energy but I can't say I enjoy the games women play. The point I was rather trying to convey was that you can't hate women in TRP mentality. You can only hate the way things are but that doesn't stop it from being true. If that makes sense.
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I was thinking the same exact thing while reading OP's post. It sounds like somebody had an acute case of the NAWALT, and had expectations that this woman's past would not influence her (and therefore his) future. "Hot and good fun in bed" are qualities of a plate, not an LTR.
he gave her the benefit of the doubt... I say it's good to keep yourself open like that. It's better to have a pool story \every few months, than to be a cynic and assume the worst of everyone.
He has his head up, he may take a few, but he'll get back up
Could you explain that last comment?
From RP, I've taken that when you're able to maintain frame and increase attraction in a LTR, she will be compelled to be damn good in bed (if only to increase her SMV to match yours).
Those qualities, absent any other qualities, means she is only good enough to be a plate. An LTR must be hot, good in bed, and have other feminine redeeming qualities to invest further into an LTR situation.
That makes sense. Solid reply.
It's pathetic that most women think they are hot shit just because they have the two plate qualities. It's a shame really. If people were generally less lazy and honed skills instead of watching tv, the quality of all human interaction would be so much higher. Right now I feel like im sifting through a giant pile of shit.
Don't you think that an LTR including great sex life is possible?
Totally. Make sure that she remembers she's still competing with other women, and if you get bored you will move on without hesitation.
Seriously, if OP only liked her because she was "hot and good fun in bed", he should have just plated her instead.
Girls having guy friends is always a red flag?
Guy friends and slutty girl friends.
Huge red flag. Friends at work or class, whatever. Social circle and group hamgouts includes guys, of course. Solo dates with other guy "friends"? She's orbiting your replacements right in front of you, and everyone around you knows it.
Take it from someone who tried to white knight for his angel for ten years. Every single guy she orbited kissed her, or worse. No exaggeration. You cant put up with that shit in an LTR. If she has boy"friends" then you have girl"friends" and she's just another plate.
It depends but usually yes - the key sign is multiple.
Single guy friend who has a girlfriend and they've known eachother since elementary school? Sure whatever, as long as it doesn't become a problem.
Tons of orbiters and/or ex boyfriends that are constantly in the picture and texting her?
Nah, you don't put up with that. Part of a serious relationship is sacrificing your opposite sex friends.
With the null exception of extremely unattractive friends, opposite sex friends are:
I guess before entering the LTR it may be acceptable that she has guy friends, like most hot girls i suppose. But once she starts a LTR with you, you should tell her to stop that? She might drop the: "why are you telling me this now?" and you might end up like a jeallous bitch.
My last gf had two close high school friends (i dont consider them orbiters) and said to like to hang around her guyfriends more than girlfriends cause "women are too bitchy" (im not saying i agree women and men can be friends). She considered this two guys her close friends. So whenever i found out about that i should have accepted it as a red flag and stoped things from going further?
Passive aggressive will get you nowhere in an LTR. If you are serious about an LTR you set your expectations, draw a clear line around your comfort zone, communicate a warning when the line is about to be crossed and enforce penalties when it actually is crossed ; penalties that are clearly connected to the line crossing event in the LTR's mind.
If you are serious with about an LTR it should be crystal clear that you are not putting up with orbiting x boyfriend bullshit. She will do it regardless but she needs to know it is unacceptable. I would not marry a woman who is besties with her x or sees charlie once a week for lunch. Women know that male friends are roadblocks to an LTR. In the end it's just another shit test.
Look, it's not just one thing. If she has guy friends and is otherwise ok, then it's fine. However, any one red flag should make you look closer at her personality. Why do girls hate her or why does she hate girls? Why do guys want to hang out with her? Has she done anything with her guy friends in the past or has any guy friend attempted anything (guys usually don't attempt something unless they know the answer has a high chance of being yes) and so on.
My ex-LTR had a lot of guy friends but also a lot of girl friends. The way she interacted with the guy friends left no room for doubt that it was really just platonic. They never even thought of making a move.
One plate I had also had some guy friends, but when we were telling each other stories about getting drunk, she said she once had sex with a close male friend when they were both drunk. To me, I couldn't look at her the same way ever again
My move would have been to reduce comfort and other LTR benefits and if she turtled and went to the other guys for validation, I would have my answer (that my SMV wasn't high enough). And next her
This is always bullshit though. A girl that doesn't have girl friends is like a guy without guy friends - and guys without guy friends are either gay or just beta orbiting chumps
Do you still think guys and girls can be just friends?
I dont. Im asking because thats why i had jeallousy issuies with last gf. Too many guy friends. How can i handle this? or, as a red flag, just never turn a girl with lots of guy friends into a gf?
Girls with lots of guy friends are either sluts with a lot of ex BFs, or a chick with a lot of orbiters, who will cock block you just as much if not more than her GFs.
That's the blue pill influence telling you that "jealousy issues" are bad.
I have two good ones. Though the one was a huge wingman for years, and was the only one who could drink me under the table (not bad for a skinny one with D's) and the other is probably more red pill than 90% of the people in here.
Though the one was a train wreck, if you were into that, and the other tends to like them young (40 with 20 year old young) so were never in the same spheres of influence
I got pretty good at assuring the guys that I'm not a threat, and probably a good wingman for them
Depends on how wise the woman is. If she sets firm boundaries and doesn't put herself in compromising situations, then yes. Most young girls don't, largely due to naiveté on their part. Women aren't wired to look at every person of the opposite sex as a sexual prospect the way that men are.
Edit: Downvoted, seriously? I guess some people don't like to hear the truth.
Probably downvoted because one of the main principles here is to basically look at things in terms of rule-sets and not worry about the outliers.
There are always going to be exceptions to every rule: "most people do this, but a few will do that" are the type of thing we want to avoid, we want reliable data that can be put to use.
Saying "some young naive girls don't set proper boundaries but some older wiser women do set proper boundaries and therefore you can't know if their male friends are a threat or not until you really get to know them intimately" isn't constructive with what we're trying to learn here. It's much better (from a mans perspective) to just say "when a girl has lots of guy friends that's a huge red flag and generally makes the girl non-LTR material."
edit: I think this is more of a generational thing where our modern society is expected to tolerate and respect all opinions and choices and to understand that each human is unique and different but the reality is that most people follow very predictable patterns and habits and to ignore that is stupid.
Thank you for taking the time for providing your explanation, it was helpful. I now understand that the answer is different in the context of RP theory. However, I was responding honestly to the question as I understood it, that is, in general, can men and women ever have strictly platonic relationships.
What do tattoos have anything to do with this?
Cosmetic body modifications indicate dissatisfaction with their body state to the point they make extensive and hard to undo alterations. Has a high correlation with a pathological level of attention seeking, which often also coincides with difficulty maintaining monogamous relationships.
What about men with tattoos? Same thing?
If they got it for cosmetic reason, quite possibly. I've known of more than a few men that got tatted up just to look cooler/tougher.
Didn't change a damn thing in regards to what kind of person they really were though.
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Two fallacies in that-
1) Statistics of small numbers: similar to observational selection (e.g., My parents smoked all their lives and they never got cancer. Or: I don't care what others say about Yugos, my Yugo has never had a problem.) Simply because someone can point to a few favorable numbers says nothing about the overall chances.
2) Confusing a qualified observation with an absolute one. (for example, interpreting "high correlation" as "always every time".)
Basically, you'd have to look at their particular relationships to determine the precise reason for its longevity- they could be with a person that has a much higher "SMV" to the point that it mutes any impulse to cheat/leave/etc. Or any number of other factors could be at work. But that still does not change the general trend in the population at large, nor the level of awareness men need to have in order to not get taken advantage of.
http://www.returnofkings.com/45334/5-reasons-why-girls-with-tattoos-andor-piercings-are-broken
Bad life choices. Masculine traits on a female is never a good idea for a LTR.
they better have a better story than "just because" or foreign symbols/frogs and dolphins.
I have full sleeves and even I stay the fuck away from tatted chicks for anything serious.
To be fair, there are something you have to try to know if you'll like it or you'll learn from it
Man, tough crowd
He isn't ghandi, just because he was on the second strike before he hit the home run, can't get mad at him for almost striking out
First of all, don't ever let a other guy make sexual remarks about your girl. Let alone talking about her sucking him off, even as a "joke". Also, your girl agreeing, as a "joke", is already down to blow him.
You handled it like a goddam boss. You won like a fucking chess master. To them, it appeared as if you were some dumb beta betting his own woman's mouth over a game of pool, then you sunk the black on purpose, grinned and shook his hand and told him "You can have a go at this whore, I'm done with her pussy". You laughed like, "These bums thought I was a Beta, I got options bitch, who the fuck you trynna play?", then went to get some pussy elsewhere. Game mastery at its best, Alpha overdose.
OP, Don't. Take. Her. Back.
2 months is nothing dude. Thats like a fling. Neither of you should be so invested in the other at that point. She probably wont even count it on her ex bf count.
Of course she wouldn't, she's probably a Virgin. Women take there partner count gauge how gullible a man is and then either divide it by 3 or 0.
Nah dude, that kinda shit is never 'jokey'. That's like me texting a hot girl I know and saying "wanna have sex lol jk"
It's pure disrespect and you can't ever tolerate that kinda shit in front of your girl from another guy. You call him out immediately on it.
Anyhow you handled it properly in the end so good job bro
"Lol lol xDD can I touch your boobs xDdd"
The fact that the friend found convenient to make that joke up shows how little value perceived from OP. That is disrespect and OP should have called him out.
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Were you fucking the fuck buddy while you were with her? Or was it a thing before you were with that chick
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Ill go ahead and say it. If he had a fuckbuddy on the side while having made her his GF then he is no better than her. Arguably even worse as it is possible she was faithful (although I agree the red flags were all there and nexting her was the right decision). So hopefully it was just a fuckbuddy from before the relationship which is very possible.
Nobody should have their cake and eat it to which is really one of the biggest gripes of RP (alpha fux, beta bux). We dont get a pass just because were men. Its the opposite actually, as men we are the ones who should set the bar for the relationship and have integrity.
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Yes. And if thats all he was doing then its fine. Im in a relationship now myself and have 3 plates I'd be fucking if I wasnt with her. They hit me up from time to time to see if im DTF still but I'm not utilizing them currently.
Chances are good I'll lose end up losing one or more of those plates as the relationship progresses. Not a big deal.
Doesn't TRP shit on women who jump ship though? Why is it okay if OP does it?
Oh, so I can call girls whom I know can fuck if I wanted to anytime plates? Even if I don't fuck her?
Only one problem. You don't need other girls to keep your options open. Completely single is an option. A good one. And guy with confidence or abundance mentality don't need a whore on speed dial to know the next one is right around the corner.
That simply sounds like hypergamy. It's not that TRP ridicules women for hypergamy. We ridicule women and white knights who refuse to acknowledge it.
Caught up in the height of morals, it's easy to delude ourselves into believing we're above our animal nature.
Men want many women, women want the best man - nothing right or wrong about it, it just is what it is.
While this is a place to discuss amoral sexual strategy, I (personally) don't believe that it gives you carte blanche to do whatever the fuck you want. If you agree to be in a relationship with someone, and you don't honor that relationship, you're not being amoral, you've crossed over into being immoral.
That's a cool quote, and we all know it's true, but I do wish TRP would stop and think sometimes about the texture of different situations.
You're right & those are good standards to have for ourselves, alas what I'm saying is expecting people to be moral or honorable is a great way to be disappointed: life's much easier when you trust others to act in their own interest.
Seriously, you'd think this is /r/askpussies.
We're glorified apes who figured out how to burn fossil fuels.
But if I could devise an experiment proving that 1+1=3 then we'd consider the experiment faulty, ourselves insane, or the universe wrong. There are some facts ordained apriori by the laws of thought, and whether they are products of the human mind or universal truths is an open question. C.S. Lewis has suggested that morality, like math and logic, may be among these apriori truths.
We don't complain here. We're here for truth, that's all. Everything TRP is amoral.
2 months is the key. You can still keep a FB on the chain but be faithful in that time period. I've done it, no cheating (on my part) occurred.
Why not? I like having my cake and eating it too. It's not "cheating" if you haven't agreed to be exclusive, or if you've explicitly told her that you're not willing to be monogamous.
The problem with this woman's behavior was her lack of respect towards her boyfriend. My main knows I chase other women. I've made it very clear that I refuse to be monogamous. I even invite her in on it sometimes. But I wouldn't disrespect her by letting some other woman hang all over me in public, in front of her friends, and then making jokes about how I'm going to fuck the other woman. That's a dick move that would humiliate her and cause her to lose status among her friends.
Basic respect and discretion are important for both men and women. If you're with someone who is disrespectful, and has no qualms trying to humiliate you in public, then you need to tell them to kick rocks.
Yes but the way you went about it is fine. You aren't being dishonest or duplicitous to her or yourself. I was mainly using it as an analogy in regards to people taking what they want, while pretending to offer something back which they really are not (in this case commitment and honesty).
Are you having your cake and eating it to? I suppose, but it sounds like she is willingly taking a bite of that cake and feeding it back to you. Nothing wrong with that, but its by no means a common situation.
Agreed on all points, and if you fail to tell them to kick rocks then you are the epitome of a beta doormat.
Fuck off. It's a level field, the Red Pill is amoral. If you don't like it go join /r/punchingMorpheus
Fuck that. I only date girls who are cool with me fucking other chicks, and know that they're not allowed to fuck other men. If they don't like it then that's totally cool, I'll just go back to fucking chicks and forget the relationship.
Being in a solo relationship as a young man is a stupid thing to do.
Save that shit for when/if you're married.
Oh the irony of guys thinking were exempt from the way relationships are supposed to work.
You do realize by your logic, the woman you would end up marrying you would have been cheating on the whole time right? But thats ok right because hurr durr so alpha bro. Nope, youre just a whore.
I couldn't make any sense of that post.
Either that or she was a thing before the relationship. He was only with this gf for 2 months, it's not hard to imagine his fuckbuddy would still be around
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completefictional trash.She failed your quality test :)
Quality test: A man's version of a shit test but involves more tangible challenges such as testing loyalty, decision making, nurture instinct. A quality test is crucial in picking a LTR with actual relationship value vs a woman's shit test which deals with superficial like are you alpha? Are you cool? Whats your social status. A shit test is used to see if a woman sees you as a potential alpha cock to brag on her facebook.
She should have just said "no" to being used as a game wager. What self respecting woman will be willing to be used as a token chip in a game? Especially in a fantasy setup of being traded as a sex payment.
She has other red flags and considering the goaded bet offered "i win, your woman blows me" probably means the two fucked in the past and she has no qualms being passed around.
Plus it was a major shit test to you seeing if you are alpha enough to win the bet and win her as a prize.
Let's just call it a shit test, because that's what it was. She thought she was shit testing him, but he instantly flipped it around so the shit test was on her. She wasn't astute enough to realize this, and as a result she bombed.
I don't understand how even in a 'jokey' way that's acceptable. I mean, shit.
yeah, never call out another mans pool playing... Didn't anyone watch colour of money?
Having said that, OP kind of did the oppositte of Tom cruise. he made it look like he lost fair and square, OP threw the fight worst than Tyson vs Douglas
Someone's watched Indecent Proposal a little to much...
Considering
Some fuckin' great framekeepin, that right there.
Exactly. If he really didn't give a crap then it wouldn't be much of a story. But the sheer growth in this story is amazing. It's like the guy went from benching 150 pounds to 200 in a single session.
You're right, he held it together very well, props to OP.
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I'm guessing she'll call in a few days for an adgenda blowie
Hah, Let's be honest, the fuck buddy thing probably didn't happen, lol.
All jokes aside, I too made the mistake of LTR a girl just like the chick in the story. That "dying inside" feeling you speak of is a telltale sign that you need to abandon fuckin ship. Took me months and multiple "dying inside" feelings to leave, but you ripped the band aid off completely and bounced. Bravo.
As far as the dude in the story.. when he said that joke, you should have seriously checked that behavior immediately. I don't care that he "seems like a nice guy" and that he said it in a joking manner. Nah.
I don't care what kind of man he is and I don't care that you are a better pool player. It doesn't matter -- That was some serious disrespect from him and you should have handled it with some serious words. Set boundaries.
The pool game (under those rules) shouldn't have been played in the first place. That's where you messed up. But again, good move with dropping her.
Hell, fuck the guy and fuck the pool game, your GF flirting with him in your presence says it all.
Thank you! At least someone has common sense. The FACT that the other guy thinks he can initiate a joke like that (I doubt it was a joke) in front of OP's face and your girl.... Speaks volumes to her respect to OP.
agree completely...wouldnt be surprised if the other guy had already hooked up with this guys girl before.
think about it, no matter how alpha you might think you are, you wouldnt say that kind of thing about a girl thats your friend unless:
i think OP played the situation beautifully. her flirting with the other guy in fronnt of him was enough reason to next that girl
Agreed. To be honest, both the guy and his girl called him a bitch to his face that night. The guy with the whole "if I win, your girl blows me" game and the fact that his gf was flirting with the guy in front of his face that same night.
OP left the chick and he gets props for that, but he (and a few people angry at me in this thread) are not allowing OP to take the L.
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Jesus, It's a lot of sensitive dudes on redpill today. The estrogen is overwhelming. A lot of you dudes are getting exposed and it's amusing.
Let's try this again. When the guy in OP's story says "if you lose this pool game, your girl sucks my dick" no one bats an eye, but as soon as someone OP doesnt know from the mean streets of Philadelphia makes innnocent little joke about a girl that may or may not exist, every one loses their minds!
What you miss is both the guy and OP girlfriend is basically saying fuck you to OP with their actions. You can't "agree and amplify" when you're "dying inside." OP KNEW that he fucked up. The weekends almost here, bros. Let's keep it real on redpill.
Also, this girl was his GIRLFRIEND. It's a litttttleeee tooo late to show the guy that "OP doesnt give a fuck about this piece of trash whore."
Come on guys, seriously.
If your gf and her guys friends are doing this shit, then you haven't earned their respect in the first place. If you don't have their respect, telling the guy off won't change that, no matter how tough and serious you seem. OP's decision demonstrated that he respects himself enough to exit a situation like that entirely. Cutting your losses and demonstrating with action what you will not stand for.
Granted, I think your approach of setting a dude straight would be appropriate if your gf was not flirting with the guy or feeding into shit. Because at that point, he'd just be crossing lines. If OP had a solid faithful gf who respected him, you can be sure he wouldn't check in with her to see if she's down. There would be no question and he'd confront the dude. But OP asked this question because the context was ripe with bullshit- bullshit he had no reason to stick around and fight for. He's better off without them, and I think that's the part that you're missing. Not every girl is worth fighting for. PS you're not the only one keeping it real here, lol.
Nah, I keep it real. Almost too real. Let it be known, I agree that OP did the right thing with cutting this bitch off. I agree with everyone who clicked the little arrow pointing upward and clamored "yeah, OP! You showed her!!!!!" We're all cool.
OP does Not need this in his life, so good job to him for dropping her.
However, on some real man shit, here are the facts : OP came into a place with a girlfriend he was happy with.. and ultimately got spoken to like a bitch from another man.
Isn't the number one red pill rule "put yourself first?" You guys are killing me.
Tell me where you guys party so I can show up and say the same thing to you and your girls and watch you leave on some "maintaining frame" shit.
Again, I'm not saying go berserker barrage and put the dude in an armbar, but speak the fuck up.
Just because it doesn't happen for you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen for others.
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At the very least, I would have pulled him to the side, talked to him man to man and let him know that that was unacceptable. I damn sure wouldn't have reached into the depths of my mind for some "red pill" theory to apply like "holding frame." Shit is just common sense.
Again, I'm not saying start a poolhall brawl like Jackie Chan in Rush Hour, but there would be zero smiles on my face in this situation.
Dude has to be let known that he's crossed a boundary. That's all i'm saying. I don't understand the backlash.
Do it in front of everyone I'd say. Dude doesn't deserve the respect of being pulled aside since he did not show the same respect himself.
I hear ya. However, it Doesn't matter how it's done as long as it's done.
still he wouldn't have known that his GF actually was not worth his time. And the story would not have been that interesting.
Here's the thing about women. When they shit on you. There is no coming out of no where with the disrespect. Her actions at the pool spot was not new, I guarantee it.
I agree with you, but it does not invalidate my argument. If this was what it took for him to recognize then everything before was not obvious enough or she got careless
Or better yet, why bother to check his behavior?
Use it to your advantage.
OP did, he now knows beyond a doubt his former GF was not worthy of the title.
Ok, but if you lose. You suck my dick
Jesus, we've got a bar stood John Madden here. It's easy sitting back and telling people what they should have done after the fact. Hindsight is easy.
OP did an epic job.
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Nah, I respectfully disagree. My "machismo attitude" applies here. It's about respecting yourself as a man. If a any man can joke about performing a sexual act with your girlfriend to your face and you're all "lmao, you're such a riot!" about it, then I don't know what to say to you guys. I hope this is not the common belief of guys nowadays.
Maybe I should go out tonight and joke to some guy that "I want to put my tongue in his girls asshole" if he cant out drink me at the bar and see what happens. Innocent jokes about me or my girlfriend are fine. I can brush that off.
But sexual act type jokes about my girlfriend? Nope.
I'm not saying OP should have tackled him to the ground and put him the texas cloverleaf, but I AM saying a stern look and a "yo, that's not cool. chill out" or something would have been better than the "lmao! rack em up!!" thing OP did.
Dude that he just met, that knows his gf through work, made a joke about her giving him a BJ. Not sure how anyone would let that slide. A record scratch sound with a "what the fuck did you just say" seems to be the only answer.
This pill is so red it was cherry flavored. Well done.
You probably could've avoided the game of pool altogether by making him suck your cock if you won. I mean, what's in it for you?
Seriously though, you did the right thing.
LMAO that would have been a good idea to just toss that in there, but would have made OP seem like a homo.
Now, that's what you call agreeing and amplifying.
Thats just borderline homo. Although that would be kinda approriate if the girl felt offended and wasn't down with it.
My first reaction was, this guy did a solid here, high-five. Then I re-read the backstory:
OP should have plated her from the get-go. Instead, for the shallow reason that all she has to offer is that "she is hot and good fun in bed", he keeps her as a gf and then is surprised that she acts like a slut. I don't understand people who choose to fuck idiots and then complain that, "Golly that slut was an idiot". Ever consider that maybe you're the idiot for choosing poorly?
Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Moving on...
Sometimes you really don't know or forget the social commitment that the bf gf thing entails beyond fidelity.
Just an idea, and because none of us was there to study her reaction, maybe we think she was so confident in you (her alpha) that she knew you would win - and certainly wouldn't suck the dude's cock even if you lost.
She might've thought that she was supporting you (in her own way) in your endeavor to drag this real pansy across the table, you stud you.
I have a girl that I really have to watch out how I joke with her, because she will do exactly as I say (for fear of not following instructions satisfactorily). If I was in a similar situation as yours, she'd probably react like I mentioned that your girl might've.
Or ... maybe you're dead-on on your assessment and played it perfectly. If so, good on ya. Nicely played.
That's straight hamster talk.
She was "so confident in her alpha" that she would comply with other guy's joking frame for a bj as a prize?
Why would you even open that path? If I got in a LTR and she didn't give him a look like he said he fucked goats for a living, she wouldn't be worthy and she'd probably sniff the beta off me if I complied with the game "as a joke"
"But baby you would never suck another mans cock, we have twue wuv on our side! You rode the CC in the past but it's different because you have me!"
That little leniency is how a lot of women capitalize on alpha fux
Because I don't think if you're in a seemingly monogamous relationship ("seemingly" since OP did have a FwB on the side), giving another guy a BJ isn't something to joke about. Especially to an RP guy, that would only indicate a redflag that she actually ponders the idea of doing other guys.
I understand and appreciate what you're saying.
However, there are girls out there who simply aren't that clever and blindly cling to every word we say. If she is like that, and was 50/50 on whether or not he was joking, she could've made a quick judgement call without the time to fully process the dilemma - and simply made the wrong call. Not all girls are clever enough to always to make the right call - even in a case such as Op's.
At best, it would be a lesson for her (shit test/dread game) and, guaranteed, she'd never make that stupid mistake again.
So 'no'... she didn't "made a quick judgement call without the time to fully process the dilemma"
She was flirting with him and then saying she would BJ him....
Thats x2 very serious, disrespectful actions in less than a couple of hours.... How many do you fucking want???
Agreed. I added a side note to one of my comments regarding her flirting with the guy.
Confirmed: She's a slut and was dealt with accordingly.
Haha that made me laugh idk why.
Then this is natural selection at work. If she's a dumb cunt, why do you want her mothering your babies? Not LTR material that's for certain. Fuck and chuck. Don't inseminate. Burn your condoms.
My thoughts on this align with yours. I would check the guy for trying to make a bet like that. I would tell him he's disrespecting my girl and that he owes her an apology. I would only be mad at her if she took his side over mine (as in, "come on babe he's only joking let's play")
All that said, inviting a bunch of guy friends to hang out is an annoyingly obvious shit test. She put you in a position to amog or get amogged. I don't necessarily blame her - it's basically instinctive. I'm just saying it sucks.
If it can be proven that she invited the extra cocks, that in itself was INDEED a massive shit test on an epic level to begin with. She wanted to give OP some competition to see if he'd white knight her. He actually, IMO, did the correct thing in creatively nexting her in front of everybody. If he'd been a little pussy and started bro-lecturing the AMOG for trying to move in on "his girl", she'd have found OP pathetic and would have eventually blown the other guy anyhow.
Only way for OP "to win"..is not to play.
Nah. Sometimes you gotta play and end the game with a power move. Op clearly walked out like a boss. I mean, betting blowjobs? How is he supposed to let that rock? Thats an ultimate disrespect to him as the boyfriend if the girl is "jokingly" saying yeah. He left her like she was trash and walked out like a boss.
We agree. I meant not to play as there was no salvaging anything with the plate.her behavior was inexcusable
If he made a bet like that i'ts most probably she gave him enough hints to signal he could do that kind of bet with you.
Certainly no LTR material
Agreed, he did it because she lets him talk to her like that.
I don't think she necessarily arranged the gtg (from Op's text), but either way, this is one reason I don't hang out at places like that anymore. It's a constant battle with guys trying to be the top silverback to win over my girl (or a buddy's girl). It gets tiring.
Side note (and gentle reminder to us) - Op did say that she was flirting with the guy. That's too much for me to set back and take too. Even once. I don't have time for that shit and I don't play Second Fiddle to anyone - and neither should any man who subscribes to TRP.
I also think the same as you guys.
Tragically, if we are right, then OP just dumped/broke up with his girlfriend for no good reason.
It's possible it's as you described. But even then, consider it a hard learned lesson on her part. She really should know better than to disrespect her man like that.
You are overthinking it. He describes her as a slut. And she was fishing for male attention = bj. OP did the right thing
Agreed. I've revised one of my comments to coincide with your (correct) stance.
i dunno ops situation either but, i thought this too. she could have been showing confidence in him. knows he is good and didnt wanna say no way possibly thinking shed hurt his ego.
now i must again say, i saw no context so who knows.
Yeah, but I reconsidered when I re-read that she was flirting with the guy before hand. That alone would have been enough to justify Op's actions. We can't dismiss that inexcusable piece of the puzzle.
No no, I read that and agree.
This part here comes off as if he is hamstering away his insecurities. We do not know OP, or his style, or a lot of things. OP made his choice, and he is happy with it. Awesome. I am just looking at all the possible reasons/logic.
This is one of the silliest responses I've seen.
There might, or might not have been whiskey involved when I made that comment.
Fuck dude, mid story I was like how is this gonna feel good for this dude, then I continued.
OP you are a beast
I get the impression that she probably had already given the guy a BJ.
Me too. The way that dude was so comfortable with asking such a question.
I'd love to hear if there is a final chapter to this story. It seems unresolved for some reason.
This is beautiful. Initially I had an image of you desperately trying to play the best pool game of your life to ensure victory; instead you potted the fucking black, and secured a far more significant win. Sweet victory my friend, truly. Thanks for the story.
This. The best part of the story is that the OP lost the billiards game early on and intentionally. Then he immediately nexted her. It's a great example of holding frame.
This is what being a man is about: making the hard but necessary decision and following through with action.
You would've looked stupid if you missed the black
He said he was good at pool ya idiot
I wish I could meet you in real life and shake your hand. Carry on brother.
dude that was phenomenal you're a fucking genius
EDIT: as for whether or not your actions were RP, damn right they were. You kept your frame, didn't lose your cool, didn't put extra effort for the ho, made her feel like a slut (which she is) and made her chase you in the end.
Me, I would have beaten the shit out of that guy the moment he proposed that "if i win your girl gives me a blowjob" which would have been BP/Beta because I would have lost my frame, waste my breath for a whore and prolonged her presence in my life further.
Exactly. Getting into a fight over a proven slut would destroy his frame, raise her value, and motivate her to set up this exact scenario the next time.
no reason to fight someone in this day and age... good call on seeing it for what it is.
The part I don't understand is what was the other side of the bet and why isn't it mentioned in the story. ... it doesn't add up
Don't see why that matters. If he was planning on losing, why would he care what the prize is for winning?
Because the story makes no sense. There was no bet. ..
There must be some comprehension problem on your part because the story makes perfect sense. The AMOG made a bet where if he wins, he gets a bj, and if he loses, well, nothing. GF takes the bet semi-jokingly seriously (shit test against OP), OP asks GF if the bet is acceptable to her (shit test flipped right back against her) and she says yes (shit test failed). Everyone expects OP to try to win the game and win his own girlfriend (lol so funny even typing that out) and he shocks everyone by sinking the 8 ball intentionally, congratulating AMOG, which makes his GF look like a worthless whore, AMOG look like a loser getting discarded sloppy seconds, and OP looking like a champ with greener grass on the other side.
Make sense now?
While it serves to illustrate some red pill tenets, there's a plot hole in this fiction. If it truly was not really a bet than others gave much better resounds than OP.
What plot holes? You're not making any sense.
Probably the most epic thing I've read on this forum.
Are girls with tattoos crazy?
Going to plate her, or just be rid of her?
In this context, my advice to OP would be to just be rid of her
Damn that. She's full of shit. He should get rid of her. No animosity or anything. Just simply the best approach. No drama needed.
I would say one last insane fuck session. Could help you realize how low value she is. See what she would do to please someone with such a higher value.
she was already his plate since he had a fuckbuddy.
Do you know if she even blew him?
She probably wouldn't have even if op had stayed, played, and lost. But consider this, that guy was setting himself up to have a little inside joke about sex with a supposedly committed girl. "You know you still owe me a blow job right?" He'd be making that joke at work all the time.
This is why I think op should have called out the guy the very moment he made the joke.
Then you get the "You're insecure!" card thrown at you for simply calling people out on their bullshit. Happened to me a few times. Where would you recommend going from there?
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"If I win, you eat my shit."
Perfect.
Personally, I preferred OPS, it had more wit.
This is why the ONLY correct way to handle the scenario is exactly how OP did it. ALWAYS be the man willing to drop her at a moment's notice. Like another poster said, pre-empting this problem is key. Tell her early on that if she ever disrespects you around other people, she's gone. Don't be specific; it'll be up to her hamster wheel to think "if I do this, will he leave"? Then when she rejects advances in public, tell her what a great girl she is and reward her later somehow.
You hold frame. Don't argue your logic or reasoning, just make it clear that you meant what you said and he should shut the fuck up.
No, I think it's the job of the woman to protect her sexual reputation, it's the job of the man to value that reputation. In this case she did not, the value was lowered as a result. The correct path was taken to end it with her.
he asked her if shes ok with it. "his" GF said, "yes, if you lose i will suck THIS coworkers dick who dared to disrespect you like that in public".
if she were offended, and would say "no of course not, how dare you?" THEN he could check the guy.
It sounds like his girl was all about it. It was a great test of their new relationship and that bitch failed.
If she'd been clearly offended by the suggestion and wanted no part of it, that would have been the appropriate time to call the guy out for disrespecting him and his girl. However, since she was OK with it, I think he played his hand real well.
he played the long con. Its got a style, not everyones style, but OPs style
Just curious as others have asked, what kind of retort would you throw in there on the spot like that? How do you counter a guy throwing shit at you and your woman.
/u/LetMeSideBarThatForU gave a response above and I don't disagree on any particular point. His advice essentially boils down to gaming your way around the confrontation. That's definitely the preferred plan.
But, if you have to check another man, a general template would be to first give him an out that saves face. That could be as simple as, "what did you just say?" Let him laugh it off as a joke and then say, "okay well, don't make that joke again."
If he doesn't want to back off, the thing you want to do is go under the radar of his fight or flight reflex. What I mean is, no matter what the disagreement, if you jump up into a man's face, the rational part of his brain takes a back seat to the instinct. At that point, you're not so much communicating with him as dancing - ironically, this is probably exactly what the girl wanted. Two males, bashing their heads together. Happens in almost all sexual mammalian species. Once you start the dance, it goes on until someone is bleeding or running.
You fly under the radar of that instinct by doing the opposite of the thing that triggers it. Lower your voice. Slow your words. Use cultural cues rather than instinctive responses to communicate. That is to say, you put on a serious (not angry) face, you look him in the eye, and you say something like, "you're disrespecting me and my girlfriend too."
...and sometimes, you just have to be willing to fight.
For you to do this, you absolutely have to be willing to fight. If you just play it like you would fight but actually won't, most guys will sniff you out and keep playing.
Off-topic but even more important when dealing with animals, for example dogs and monkeys. They are true bullies
"Fair enough, if I win I get a bj from your mom".
It doesn't have to make sense, really.
This guy asking all the important questions.
Wait, no, who the fuck cares?
Are you serious? After OPs move she would probably blow him off instead.
I'm just being curious. Do you really think there is 100% chance that she didn't blow the other guy?
Not 100%, but the woman would have to be a particularly spiteful kind of whore to be willing to debase herself after a public humiliation like that.
In any case, why would you care? She's history, she can suck every single cock in the world after that for all we should care.
I honestly can't imagine any scenario where she would have blown him. OP completely flipped the tables and turned the AMOG into the beta loser in that situation. He's the crappy plastic 2nd place trophy now. The kind of plastic trophy that just takes up space and you want to throw in the garbage. And because he sabotaged her chances with OP, he doesn't even qualify for pity sex!
Impressive. I don't think you could have played it any better. That is exactly how to gain the upper hand over women, to neutralize the innate advantage they have when it comes to sex. By throwing the game you effectively lowered her sexual value, making her look like a slut and nothing more than a commodity to gamble on. Bravo sir!!
THATS BAD ASS
Good shit OP. OP is a legend, 10/10 would read again. Hope this story is true.
P.s.
This is RP as PHUCK OP.
I read this in an australian accent. This is one of the funniest RP things ever if it truly happened man.
Bro, leaving aside the red flags, a man asked if your girlfriend will blow him, if he wins a game against you. Jokingly or not, it does not fucking matter. The man disrespected you, not her, you.
You left...instant proof that you can't stand for yourself and you don't value your time. Your gf(LTR) is an investment of time, energy and resources. If you present her to the world as your girl, then it means you put some effort towards the relationship. You just made it clear that you don't value your investment.
Next time, make the guy apologise to you for this disrespect. Leave her out of this, she has no part in this. Get her out of there, then hard next her for even considering it ( jokingly or not ).Also never LTR something like that again.
With that being said, cudos to you for the bold move, it takes some balls.
Yeah, I agree somewhat. I would've just said "That was a bit disrespectful, don't you think? How about you apologize to me, to my woman, and we can continue on like that didn't just happen." It would've then been tense and awkward, but you show that you have "boundaries" (so tired of that word) and stand by your principles.
But then again, if he said that and my woman was all happy and found it hilarious and flirty... then yes, I would've made your move, for sure.
nice dude. its always easier to talk the talk than to walk the walk.
You did the right thing.
That's great frame man. Don't allow anyone to walk all over you like that.
Knocked that ho right out of the ballpark!
You're the shit man. Kudos to you. Ain't no one got time to be waisted on girls like that
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Ok so not to be nit picking, because how OP dealt with it was amazing, but it would have been Infiniti/10 if he sinks all the balls but one and then sinks the 8 for the loss.
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Just to show that he can beat him easy, but he doesn't want to
Fukkkkk that would have been awesome, but I think the way he did it was better, quick and to the point no lingering.
Lol no dude, the ultimate Bruce Lee move would have been to sink all the colored balls, then sink the 8 ball with enough backspin to cause the cue ball to fall backwards into a pocket.
This is really close to the beer pong pasta. If true I was pleasantly surprised to see OP turn it around like that.
Like a fucking boss.. Best thing I've read here in a while.
Ding ding ding. This probably isn't the first "invite".
The point is. In stead of looking like some kind of weak ass who got cheated on, you completely spun this the other way around. It wouldn't even matter if it came to light that and she went on to tell her friends that she was cheating on you. What happened, the way you played that out there, far surpasses gossip.
edit: of course I feel I should say it. If you do go back with her, you're going to be that guy who had sloppy seconds with his GF. Nobody will ever want to look at you in the eye and you will never fuck anyone in that circle of friends. Keep away from her if you want pussy from that town. Even being caught talking with her will look bad.
You may not even see this bro, but that was fucking awesome. I love reading this kind of story. Way to go!
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She may have just had the confidence that you'd win & wanted to make you look good. Although her openly agreeing (without your ask) is a little fucked up. This is certainly in the top 10 threads i've ever read here, i cannot stop laughing. Well done man.
Real RP, teach those bitches to have some goddamn class and loyalty. Good work mate.
If you want some residual value, you could always drop a note you'll be at X club/bar and have her follow you around a bit before dismissal. If she's hot, social proof.
I never had one that lasted more than 30 days until I turned 29... you'll get used to it
The only problem I have with this is that it's so good that it's most likely a story you made up.
i always say, jokes are half truths. good job getting out of there.
I started the thread and was expecting you playing your heart out. Putting your soul in to every shot and valiantly rescuing your girl. Well played!
This should be sidebarred for the perfect example of always willing to take the 'L'
Holy shit OP that took balls of steel. If you take her back, you lose.
Good shit. Nice to know there's people with backbone out there.
It's almost 2015, these shit tests are getting elaborate. I give her a B- for effort.
You have a fuckbuddy and a gf at the same time? How alpha
Late here but good job. I feel like something like that will happen to me.
HAHAHA I did that once to a friend when I was trying to leave.
"Brooo come on we gotta finish the game"
"Ugh fine bro."
pots black
"Alright later"
Potted it? No sure what's going on.
So you having a fuckbuddy somehow makes this okay?
I'm not a strict adherent to the red pill philosophy but I really believe you couldn't have handled that better.
Same here, OP that night = Beast Mode.
So let me get this straight...
A man openly disrespects you by wagering on a sexual act with your girl...
And you think you are a man because you played a game of pool with that man and dumped your girl afterwards?
lol.....
I missed the part where you get it straight.
You must get guys approaching you with sexual remarks about your girl too... my bad
I couldn't have done it better. Lol. Well played.
so what should a RP guy do if he's not as good at pool as OP is ?
Brilliant, I wouldn't of thought of that myself, I would of just left if she agreed to that but that message sends out humor and like you have no problem with the guys.
Pretty much perfect execution.
I don't care how hot she is, you plate girls like that...
In front of you? Ok, she's definitely not girlfriend material...
Sounds to me like she's a slut, and other guys know she's a slut. Or, you're a piece of shit beta. Do you think someone would make that preposition to Brad Pitt?
You did the right thing. What type of girl agrees to give another guy a blowjob? Even Tinder sluts I hook up with in 30 minutes pretend they're not slutty, and say shit like "were not gonna have sex today." I don't know what type of girl would not even put up a slut shield. This is indeed the most TRP thing you could've done. Congrats.
I am learning a lot from this sub...
You did it so perfect! Wish all men did this
I think whatever you did you handled it good. Keep it that way bro. She's is cheap whore don't fall for her batshit again.
Oh believe me you did deal with it in an RP manner. Good job.
Oh man, that is great! Make keep as a fuck buddy later, but not GF material.
Jesus, nicely played. Don't give her the time of day.
So you were already sleeping around on her. Sounds like you deserved each other.
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Oh, so you're talking about her being on the cock carousel while being part of it. Gotcha. What's good for the goose, as they say.
There is a difference between women and men that allow men to be able be more promiscuous without consequence. Either way, if she was fine with him having another girl, I don't see the problem.
Keep telling yourself that. Wait until you're saddled with child support payments and then tell me how few consequences there are.
I meant in terms of relationships. Once a girl whites herself out to a hot alpha, any other man she is with she holds contempt for, as they will never fit that standard.
I thought all of us had the snip long ago?
They'd only been dating 2 months. It's not hard to keep a FwB on the back burner for what amounts to 60ish days.
OP handled the situation better than a lot of men would.
E: removed butthurt wording.
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what you just suggested is essentially what he did... except the way he handled it made him look more like a badass to not only the woman, but everyone who witnessed it.
I know a lot of guys (particularly bp) that would have lost their shit if an AMOG made a joke like that.
That's exactly what OP did, just with fewer words. Even shook the guy's hand. She may not admit that she knows exactly what she did wrong (egging the guy on and agreeing to the bet), but she definitely knows she crossed a line with him.
On another note, I'd like to know where "leave them better than you found them" came from. I've heard that once or twice before; is that sidebar material? I'd like to see the context.
There's a distinction here that you're overlooking and it's the projection of indifference. A man saying "that's unacceptable to me" implies that he's begrudgingly breaking up with her to go home and jerk off while crying in the bathtub. A man smiling and saying "you can have her, mate!" implies that he's going off to bang one of his many other orbiter girls.
It may seem like potatoes potahtoes to you but trust me, the difference is night and day. His actions screamed value.
I think you may have meant to reply to the guy I was replying to. You echoed my sentiments nicely.
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No, it's not bad or good. This sub is basically about acknowledging it exists and explaining the consequences of it to both genders. Every girl is free to ride it, every guy is free to be a seat on the carousel. The main thing you don't get is that the consequences are different for men and women. Because men and women have different biologies and psychological make-ups.
Any adult can decide to be CC and own the consequences; no one here will say otherwise.
RP is about explaining reality and consequences, not moral judgments.
I'm saying that doesn't sound like a Red Pill outlook. A google search turned up a quote by Marvin Ashton, a tumblr page, and a blog post by Robin Sharma trying to sell a book.
I'm all for not being a dick when it isn't needed. I was trying to see what you meant when you posted that and how it applies to this thread.
You are in the wrong sub. Your white knight is showing.
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You are a white knight for worrying about him shaming that chick.
Epic fucking story! I can imagine it in the script of a movie! You rock bro!
Congratulations for I think you have achieved something that many of us here (including myself) haven't: true abundance mentality. You are at the next level mate!
Keep those FR coming cuz I'm starving for more!
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cc= cock carousel
She's "experienced"...
If you have not done so, I highly recommend reading the side bar links. Not saying this to be an arse or anything, the concepts you will pick up there will enable you to see the world in a way that allows you to protect yourself from these women.
What does "CC Veteran" mean?
Also, well done!
Side bar my friend, its all there, but anyways since i'm already here. It means in the past she rode a lot of the cock carusel (CC). She mindlessly banged hot dudes just because she did, thinking it wound have an effect on her future, but well it does, it changes you and something like what OP described happens to a woman. She flirts nonchalantley while her BF is present and wants to suck dick thats not yours. As for the veteran part, i think OP meant that she thinks she doesn't want to ride the CC anymore and thinks its over. Its like with the bloodthirsty war veterans, they cant kill anymore, but the urge is still there somewhere. Hope i could help
Lol, thanks for the whole explanation, but it wasn't necessary. I just didn't connect CC = cock carousel.
CC = cock carousel. Being a veteran suggests she's been riding it for quite some time. For a layman, she's fucked a lot of dudes.
The fuck? You could have kept it as a joke like you originally intended but you basically gave your girlfriend away. This isn't "alpha" and she's not really one to blame. If you wanted to break up with her you should have just done so instead of giving her away and then whining like she is some skeet hoe.
To see my "fuck buddy". Bro...You get mad at your chick for suggesting she would like to suck a guy off but you mention going to see your fuck buddy...
Can Redpillers explain it to me aswell before downvoting this guy? Im really curious
OP commented elsewhere that he put the fuckbuddy on hold when he went exclusive with his ex and that there was no cheating.
lets say he was cheating on her: he still had enough respect not to rub it in her face and expect her to take it. she on the other hand PUBLICLY insulted and disrespected him.
Fuck, that had to feel good.
Way to keep cool and come out on top.
I am not familiar with pool, did you win or lose?
Prematurely sinking the black is an automatic loss.
You should never tolerate this kind of behaviour from a gf. For a plate you might just ignore her and flirt with other girls (deny her attention and show you don't care), but for a gf to do this is very disrespectful. You can't hang around and let her do this--you need to punish her immediately. The first time she ever does something like this you need to make it clear that it isn't acceptable and she can never do it again. The simplest way to punish her is to leave immediately (with or without her--and don't discuss why right away, bring it up later).
By buying into this guy's frame with the bet you essentially acknowledged that your gf is a whore. The guy was shit testing you and you failed. You should have reframed this somehow: e.g. "You mean can't get a bj except by winning a bet?" "Sure, and if you lose I get your car" "Just cuz your gf's a whore doesn't mean mine is" &c
"The guy was shit testing you and you failed"
Lol dude, you obviously don't understand what a shit test is. A shit test is when you ask a trick question that is designed to gauge the sexual suitability of a partner. Unless the AMOG was sexually interested in the OP, it cannot be called a "shit test".
The only shit test in the story came from the OP, and it was directed at his girlfriend. The response that would have passed the shit test would have been "no, only my bf gets bjs from me". She failed his shit test miserably.
Putting all that tattoos alone, I'm curious about one thing. Is this joke "yeah I will blow you if you win haha" that bad that you can leave your girlfriend for that?
Another question. I know that "dying inside" feeling. What could he possibly do no to allow this kind of jokes from a guy he just met?
She has multiple red flags that show she can't be loyal LTR material. The fact that she drinks to a point where sucking another guys dick seems cool, has tattoos, and tons of guy friends deserves an instance next and not another minute of OP's time.
Sidebar if you haven't yet.
Do you really think she meant it? Maybe she was just kidding around.. Either way it's still a tasteless joke, she is so socially retarded that she makes a joke that ridicules her BF to all her guy friends.. Imagine if the tables were flipped and OP made a joke about how ugly and fat his girlfriend was to some thirsty hot female friends? He wouldn't hear the end of it. Fuck putting up with disrespect.
Tattoos don't really mean shit. My current gf has them and we've been together since we were 14.
Not one or two tattoos and not small tattoos that she hides under her shirt sleeve either. Tattoos here refer to especially to things like tramp stamps (or any tattoos near her private regions) and tattoos she doesn't hide but are actually part of her style/identity. Tattoos as part of one's identity indicates that they may be an outlier of society. Men can be outliers ("bad boys") in many ways, it primarily means he's a rebel to society and may have been arrested, got into fights, or a number of things. If you're the RP guy, none of that matters to you. What matters to you is that when a woman dons the same fashion ("bad girl"), it usually means she's a rebel to her parents and a bitch to society. Her behavior does affect the relationship you have with her. So this is why tattoos on a woman are a Red Flag. It's not a cause of blame in itself, it is only one redflag among many more thtn you need to display suspicion that she needs to be Nexted!
Yeah what is with this hate on tattoos? It's art on your body. How does it have anything to do with your relationships.
tattoos are for retards. people with huge tattoos in dumb places [neck, above their ass] show that they don't value themselves and their bodies. They dont think about jobs, how men will view them in the future [like sluts]. Girls with huge ass tattoos dont think about consequences and are a bad deal.
That's so silly. What if the woman was already settled into a career that didn't really care if she had tattoos or not. And how does having tattoos get you viewed as a slut? I don't automatically think that when I see a female with tattoos, that would be a pretty stupid thing to think. It's not really disrespect to your body. Who even decided that? It's a very old way of thinking that is dying out really fast.
Newsflash: you can leave your girlfriend for whatever the fuck you want. Everyone's entitled to their own personal boundaries, and if the other person crosses them, you can act accordingly.
Of course, it helps, and makes the process a lot fairer, to make your boundaries known first. In OP's case, on top of failing to select a worthy mate in the first place, he failed to set his boundaries.
That would never happen to me because, first, I would never go steady with a girl with as many red flags as OP's, and second, she would KNOW that if she said anything about sucking another man's cock around other people, particularly the man in question, regardless of the intent, she'd be gone. Thus, it would mean she would only ever say something like that once she'd lost all respect for me and were deliberately trying to embarrass or defy me. So it would be no "joke."
Now, if what she did wouldn't cross your boundaries, that's fine. There are guys who get off seeing their women fucked by other men. What you can't do is have your boundaries crossed and do nothing, or pretend that everything is ok when it isn't. That's when you start to slowly kill yourself.
Make yourself known as a man you wouldn't fuck with in the first place. If the guy pushed and did it anyway, let him know he's being a douche and you won't stand for it. It might get physical, but that's why you're a man.
Not really RP. Dude can't take a joke and loses his current bang piece because of a drunk temper tantrum, do better next time and try to grow up.
It wasn't a "joke", it was a vulgar, public shittest. If you let her get away with that kind of public disrespect, things can only go downhill.
It was also her cheering on the challenger - I know a few guys that would've immediately gone to blows at the suggestion alone. Her playing along is a slap in the face.
And even if she was being "funny", it probably wasn't completely a joke - a woman knows that participating in any discussion like this is a signal of interest in the other guy. She may not have dropped to her knees right then, but she was at least setting up the challenger for the future.
Maybe not entirely RP, but it's a step in the right direction.
This was his girlfriend, not some bang piece. And she's openly flirting, and jokingly agreeing to blow some other guy in front of his face?
Provided that it played out as smoothly as OP described, this is practically RP-porn. A relationship two months in is usually still "honeymoon period", and he just drops her cleverly by sinking in the 8-ball.
It was obviously a joke, this guy acts like a butthurt high schooler. On top of that he admits to having a fuck buddy while having a girlfriend which is pretty scummy and not what TRP is about.
Was it obviously a joke? How would you feel if your GF made you compete for oral sex with her in an open forum? It that something you should tolerate?
WTF, you obviously don't know what butthurt means.
You obviously don't know what TRP means.
OP has strong boundaries. You can't openly disrespect OP and get a pass because it's just a joke. Also, OP commented later that the fuckbuddy was present before but not during the relationship.
You're definitely exaggerating OP's situation by saying it was a temper tantrum when it clearly wasn't.
OP, I started to say that you were tripping, but after putting myself in that situation, I would have dropped her too. Not sure if I would have done it immediately like you did, but I would have definitely done it.
The fact that she has guy friends with whom she's around a lot because of work and they feel comfortable enough to joke about her giving them a bj to me screams red flag. Then she was dumb enough to play along with it. Either she's fucking with you or she's stupid. Neither is acceptable for an LTR.
Even if I felt she didn't want the guy, the situation as a whole would have made me uncomfortable with being in an LTR with her.
This is stupid...
If you understood TRP, then she wouldn't be your girlfriend.
Secondly, your story makes you seem like a little bitch running away.
Brav-fucking-o. Well done.
This is so fucking awesome. Way to go bro, I applaud you. That's what she gets.
You guys on this subreddit are literally the worst. I'd wreck all of you.
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You've obviously never been on a social anxiety forum.
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Take your concern trolling bullshit and fuck off.
That was pretty stupid of her. If you take her back, pretty sure that shit is never gonna happen again, so either way you win.
Should not happen. Handled it admirably, shamed her in front of her friends, and should just walk into the sunset of this chick. There's absolutely nothing to be gained from taking her back, only losses.
She wanted him to "fight for her" even if it was just billiards. So I disagree. She will do these types of things again looking for that validation.
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How is claiming this was indicative of a larger future problem being a "slut apologist." I was calling out the attention seeking as a red flag.
It's called "Let's you and him fight" and it's a precursor to more drama.
Unless you're a girl or a sociopath (not that there's anything wrong with that), you probably want a relationship with the least drama you can manage. When she shows that she loves drama, you know that eventually you will become boring to her. Better preempt that and walk away so you can put your time into something more productive, like counting the little bumps on the ceiling.
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She isn't a woman worth fighting for, bro. A woman worth fighting for doesn't act like that. OP handled the situation like a man and I'd have bought him a few rounds at the pub down the road if I'd witnessed it.
I would have loved to see her face and bought him a pint as well.
sounds like a win for her. you are an insecure douchebag.
If this is true it's pretty awesome
HAHAHAHAHAHA EPIC! What a slooooot!
Youre an idiot. It was a joke and you broke up with her over it.
This is the scarcity mentality.
This is not red pill at all. This dude initiated a bet that if he won your girlfriend would blow him...? lol and your girlfriend was playing along with it and was agreeing...? LMAO
Dude, you must be delusional. You bought into his frame of even entertaining the idea of your gf gargling some other dudes nuts in her mouth with your permission... Sometimes I wonder how far some people would try to be alpha to write up some stupid post on here.
You are training your girl to think it's okay to act that way...
hehe... lose bf and I'll put this guys nuts in my mouth hehe...
Anyway your gf sounds like a slut to begin with, so I'm not even sure why you gave her that title in the first place... should of left her as a plate like the other girl you went to pay a visit.
he intentionally lost the game as a way of saying "we are done, have fun sucking his dick im out".
In his defense, I think at that moment the OP realized that his girlfriend was never going to remain faithful to him, so he essentially dumped her right then and there. In the process, he publicly shamed her and made her question the value of her "pus*y power". I think he made a brilliant play......