Q4 Blue and Purple Pills: What is one RP concept you reject?

shoup88 · 2017-03-20T18:49:32+00:00

Reading through your link, the one that jumps out as most ridiculous is "Why women covet male friendship". The idea that women are inherently boring, empty and have no personality is just stupid.. The man writing this may not feel like there is any value in feminine interests, but believe me, other women feel differently.

To me, this is classic male solipsism. Men find feminine interests boring, so women must find them boring too right? Of course women would prefer the company of men - who wouldn't, right fellas?

EliteSpartanRanger · 2017-03-20T17:55:50+00:00

Women are irrational and inconsistent, they have a capacity for logic but they are not typically inclined to utilise it. Women must exert concentrated effort to be logical for it is not their factory setting, men on the other hand although imperfect have a far more pronounced affinity for logic. As such by matter of preference if not biology, men are near universally superior logicians and decision makers.

and the whole 3 paragraphs on this.

Women want men who demonstrably exude power in a way that makes them feel inferior. When a woman feels inferior to a man, she is attracted to him. Hypergamy breeds opportunism, if a man with higher status is sexually available, a woman with unchecked hypergamy will cheat.

no woman is non-hypergamous

Love is predicated on the satiation of feminine hypergamy. If a woman thinks she is better than you, she can’t respect you. And if she can’t respect you, she can’t love you.

The law prioritises female well-being over logic, honour and justice.

Women are depreciating assets, their major asset and unique selling point is in their beauty and fertility.

Women are born, a woman is just a girl who can conceive children. There is no challenge, mental, spiritual or otherwise that distinguishes a girl from a woman

Women want male friends because they’re better company. More interesting, more entertaining, less crazy, less annoying – all of that good stuff. Likewise, they know if they’re pretty they can leverage that into favour whilst giving you nothing, so this is the scam most even moderately pretty women are working.

I'm going to stop here because holy shit I can't just copy and paste the whole article, but I practically disagree with the whole thing.

Edit: the 1 thing that bothers me the most is the way they see everyone in a negative light and are super pessimistic about human nature

Just like men will gladly use up a woman sexually, women will gladly use up men emotionally and financially.

wtknight · 2017-03-20T18:08:11+00:00

AWALT in general. I've come across a wide variety of women. Some weren't particularly hypergamous and were content with being with equals rather than superiors. Some seemed to develop strong enough emotional bonds with their partner that they wouldn't think of branch swinging. Some didn't use shit tests.

Other women are exactly like TRP claims, of course, but individual women vary just as much as individual men do.

ProbablyBelievesIt · 2017-03-20T17:57:58+00:00

I'm going to focus on the first stupid thing I found in your link - aka: the first thing I actually looked at, after I scrolled to a section at random.

Female hypergamy is very binary in its approach to men, a man is either deemed superior, or inferior.

This is stupid bullshit. A guy can be better at somethings, and worse at others. Two people can be better together than they are as individuals.

It's the kind of binary that only makes sense if you're coding, or are just terrible at forming connections with people, and it's why the blue pill has a hard time taking any of this seriously.

sublimemongrel · 2017-03-20T18:46:20+00:00

The concept that women are all riding the CC and unable to get a man they are attracted to to LTR. Which ties into the concept I also disagree with that AF/BB is so rampant.

EliteSpartanRanger · 2017-03-20T17:58:50+00:00

That women secretly want to be submissive in their every day lives by a man. Being submissive isn't the same as wanting a man who will decide which restaurant you're going to because you're indecisive.

OurThrownAwayDreams · 2017-03-20T18:13:17+00:00

Purple man: Treating women like children does not help mend the rift between men and women.

My step mother is a very hardworking, understanding, and mature person. When I encounter women who are shitty and women who fits all the toxic characteristics TRP mentioned. I think about my step mother, who is compassionate, calm, and caring to remind myself women aren't toxic like that.

I don't want to be treated as a child, so I would not want to treat others as such.

Saint_Chad_of_Mercia · 2017-03-20T18:41:36+00:00

The idea that women are hypergamous doesn't match up to reality.

Hypergamy only occurs as a means to escape poverty in poorer societies, and is entirely environmental. If we're honest, men poorer men would also engage in this behaviour, if the same opportunities presented themselves.

In countries where women have sexual freedom and choice, they invariably pair up with their social peers. The amount of women who do date up are cancelled out by those who don't.

In actual fact, I'd say that restrictions and control over a woman's sexual freedom is enforced by society purely because women are not hypergamous.

The average woman, left to her own devices, would overlook the higher status, respectable, wholesome but boring beta, in favour of the anti-social, parasitic, unemployed and criminal badboy who gives her the tingles.

winterrider · 2017-03-20T21:35:36+00:00

I am male. The rampant misogyny is what I disagree with. I love women, the path to success is with understanding women not hating them or thinking that they are all sl*ts.

[deleted] · 2017-03-20T18:22:48+00:00

That women's sex drive is reactive. I don't believe in that one bit.

goatismycopilot · 2017-03-20T19:14:02+00:00

The whole "no woman is non hypergamous" is irksome and in my opinion not true, while RP guys here will often argue that AWALT is true on the basis that it is mostly true they rarely declare absolutely which is pretty much what this constitution does, there is zero nuance, zero admission that humans vary, women vary. This constitution is pretty resolute that this is how things are an context and subtlety do not exist.

sunkindonut149 · 2017-03-20T19:25:02+00:00

Men are made, women are born

Look up the role of older women in traditional, pre-modern societies. There is a reason we live longer than men.

Bobby_Fedorawicz · 2017-03-20T19:44:15+00:00

You cannot live a kinky lifestyle and be RP. My wife and I bang some really stunning women...but the minute we play with a man......duh duh dun.....beta cucks ville.

tardisgroaning · 2017-03-20T21:50:21+00:00

This is boring, but AWALT.

It assumes that:

Every woman is manipulative, narcissistic and Machiavellian but also that women are emotional children who rely on their FEELS^TM in all decision-making matters (i.e. can't make decisions)
Every woman wants to get married and have kids (not for me, thanks) and that they are biologically driven by this all the time
"Men love women, and women love children" vs "Women are shitty parents" (Actually saw someone write about a mother, "she's probably AWALTing the poor kids like all women" - what does that even mean?). Also assumes in a weird way that men are shitty parents (because they love "women" not "kids" whereas this isn't true - many men are exceptional parents).
All women by the age of 18 have slept with a ridiculous amount of men (I was a virgin until I was 20... but whatever, I'm clearly lying about this to internet strangers)
"Women can't understand numbers/maths/figures/finances" (I work in finance)
Women will always branch swing; "she's not yours, it's just your turn" (I've never cheated, but I'm definitely lying about that too! In fact if a relationship ends, even when I initiate the break-up, I usually go years without sex/a relationship. Usually spend time quite a bit of time alone.)
Women can't be incels because any men will sleep with any woman (I know a few disabled women who are virgins and not by choice)
The general assumption that "women" all operate as a group and are the "them" in the "us vs. them" mentality (I don't get along with some women, and half the population don't get together as a group and decide "all men suck!")
The idea that if you're not agreeing with RP theory then you must be a blind SJW who hates men (I like men, generally speaking, and it doesn't mean I want to bang every male friend I have, and it doesn't make them orbiters either)
Weird rules like "women who own dogs are a red flag" (pretty much everyone's owned a pet at some stage in their life... also overwhelming statistical evidence suggesting that people who grew up with dogs as pets are more likely to take on a dog as a pet when they're an adult)
etc etc etc.

SetConsumes · 2017-03-20T22:00:19+00:00

From a quick read I'd say these:

The obese, ill-rested and ill-nourished are typically low in energy and thus highly unproductive.

Always set boundaries with everyone, do not be a pushover.

Racial insecurity will only hinder your chances at success by polluting your mindset, as such it must be banished by any means necessary. Be proud of your lineage, for you are powerless to change it.

are the only sentences I don't consider laughably stupid.

Also, I want to point out that your link defines 80/20 as:

The 80/20 rule recognises that in a society of rampant hypergamy roughly 20% of the men are fucking 80% of the women.

But when we tell you this is what's meant by 80/20 (and that it's stupid) y'all say we're straw-manning.

SetConsumes · 2017-03-21T01:18:06+00:00

80/20 rule. Doesn't hold up to reality. Getting laid is not that difficult for an average guy, it's only especially difficult if you are below average.

IckyStickyPoo · 2017-03-21T00:48:14+00:00

The sidebar.

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breakfasttopiates · 2017-03-20T20:19:43+00:00

Male. I disagree massively with the idea that LTRs are useless or even harmful for a young mans life journey.

Building a good LTR early on is a good way to introduce yourself to living with a girl, meeting other girls through her (if things don't ever fall apart then even better, but if they do...)

Also I believe women subconsciously audit for LTR success when evaluating a new mate. If your track record is really shitty ONS and FWB it will be hard to lock down a very high value girl and have her be loyal and trusting of you.

Essentially I believe all sluts of all genders are hurting their chances of experiencing true companionship with the opposite sex later in life

myrpwi_account · 2017-03-20T21:03:04+00:00

That if a man is high value enough, he can cheat on his partner and she won't care. I can't find cheateau's blog post saying this because I don't remember what it was called.

Also is a man is high value enough, he can take what he wants from a women (sexually) and she will like it. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/pussygrab-finishing-move/

TheBlackQuill · 2017-03-20T22:19:52+00:00

The way they abuse AWALT? When people point out exceptions, they quickly got shot down and said NAWALT doesn't exist. I think they mean Most women NOT All women. And yet, they can't be bothered to use the correct term for it. Just like those pesky SJWs who abuse the word "privilege" or "fascist".

WhiskeyOnASunday93 · 2017-03-21T01:04:08+00:00

Not even going deep into the ideology, but the whole "shit eating grin" after saying something insulting just sounds pretty cringy.

Also responding to a wall of text with "k" doesn't strike me as stoic or dismissive, more pouty and transparent.

dopaff · 2017-03-21T15:38:25+00:00

Among many things, that feminism isn't needed.

--Bob__ · 2017-03-21T03:32:24+00:00

that 'constitution' reads like it was written by a autistic incel jesus

YetAnotherCommenter · 2017-03-21T06:39:48+00:00

Male, Purple. I reject the biological determinism and literal AWALT engaged in by the more.... "anger phase" TRPers. I also reject the whole Dark Enlightenment/Neoreactionary worldview embraced by some TRPers. I also think TRP often misuses/misapplies evolutionary psychology, although I do think there's a valid role for evo psych.

I also think TRP's "the MHRM wants to do the impossible" viewpoint is wrong and terrible, and I also think TRP's inclination to mock non-alpha men just works out to inventing biological excuses for bullies.

Of course not all TRPers actually are literal determinists or the like - its mostly the less sophisticated ones that I have problems with. The more sensible/advanced TRPers are willing to accept TRP is very general and that it is an inexact/imprecise set of heuristics.

SetConsumes · 2017-03-20T19:22:18+00:00

The title and by-line are hilarious without end: Illimitable Men: Destroy your Illusions, actualize your potential, cultivate your masculinity.

I didn't try to get further than that. I've been reading this stuff for too long to read yet another diatribe on what red pill is.

It's funny (and sad) because TRP does the exact opposite.

goatismycopilot · 2017-03-20T19:27:22+00:00

I don't know what red pill concepts are, the definitions keep changing.

BPremium · 2017-03-20T18:23:16+00:00

"If you are weak, depressed, small, poor, uneducated, unconfident, or anything else that prevents you from being powerful, nobody will care about whether you live or die."

Thats the only thing I disagree with, and only cause he mentioned uneducated or poor. Ive seen enough good looking poor retards with sub 70 IQs pull gorgeous women, usually because he was hot and had abs.

everything is relatively dead on, otherwise.

wub1234 · 2017-03-20T18:41:28+00:00

If I am honest, the one that irks me the most is the continual advice that you should be lifting. There is almost a biblical obsession with lifting that just seems to be to be completely misplaced.

And I know from personal experience that I gain almost nothing from lifting. For me to get seriously muscular so that you will actually notice is...I would say impossible...the most optimistic slant that you can possibly put on it is that it's going to be extremely difficult.

And I believe that is the case for many guys. It is only the genetically fortunate who will become significantly more attractive from lifting. Let me give you a couple of examples. Here is Roger Federer talking about his arms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE3QK77MDrE

This is one of the greatest athletes ever. He's 35 years-old now and he's still the fucking bollocks on a tennis court. But still he doesn't have muscular arms. He's lucky that he's got broad shoulders which are far more valuable, but this is just genetics. I also read that John McEnroe specifically tried to build his arms up to be like his hero Rod Laver, but succeeded in putting on absolutely no muscle at all.

You see this all the time on bodybuilding forums, guys failing to make any gains. And all they're ever told is that they're doing it wrong or some other such bullshit.

And even if you can make some gains, you're still limited to your basic body type to a greater or lesser extent. If you have narrow shoulders and are slightly built, it's almost impossible to achieve anything even remotely close to the idealised physique.

I'm quite glad that I'm on the skinny side of average now because as I get older other people get fat, whereas I can always look slim. Even if I put weight on, I still look slim. I've put about 10-12 pounds on in the last couple of years (I didn't know this until last week because I hadn't weighed myself for ages, as I don't care what I weight because I always look slim whatever I do)...no-one has noticed. No-one ever will notice. Because I still look slim. And if I lift weights then I'll look slim. And if I eat a balanced diet and do some cardio I'll look slim. In fact, arguably I look better carrying weight because it makes my face look fuller. People usually tell me I look well when I've been eating crap and doing no exercise!

I'd have to go to unbelievable lengths to be anything other than slim. To get and look seriously fat, I'd have to do this. Someone posted a thread about the average American elsewhere...for me to get to the point where I had average-sized biceps (they are undoubtedly below average in size now) I would have to make an absolutely massive effort. Even then I might not achieve it. Really, what's the fucking point?

And if you point this out to RPers, I made threads explaining to them that lifting is pointless for me, because they are so committed to it and because they have swallowed the same bullshit as the bodybuilding acolytes, namely that everyone should lift, everyone can make gains, everyone can have an impressive physique, and it's the most important thing in the world, they cannot accept it. Some refuse to accept that genetics even plays a part and that it is known that some people genetically cannot build muscle.

And if you speak to a RPer and ask for advice, completely regardless of any other context they will almost certainly place 'lifting' high on the list, and usually top of the list. Even though, for me, I could lift weights quite determinedly for 12 months, and at the end of it no-one would even know that I'd be doing it. In fact, I have had times where I've tried a bit, I've never joined a gym, but I gave up pretty quickly because I just put on no muscle at all, and even if I do put on muscle no-one will ever notice.

And I guarantee someone will respond to this and claim that what I'm saying is wrong, that I'm a quitter, like they did when I posted the threads previously.

There are other things that I disagree with, but this irks me the most because I know 100% that it is not broadly applicable and that it is downright bad advice for me, just encouraging me to invest energy, time and commitment in something that won't benefit me at all.

SetConsumes · 2017-03-20T19:01:49+00:00

AF/BB - Most men start out as alphas in women's eyes. They just become beta over time when women get tired of them. Alphas Fucker's are just men who got out of the relationship before it got stale.

Electra_Cute · 2017-03-21T00:35:51+00:00

I do not reject any of the concepts based on their practical value, but I do reject them based on the failure to show the nuances of it.

yusrasyedahmed · 2017-03-23T00:06:08+00:00

Feminists crave privileges which consolidate the realm of male power with that of the female.

nope

Women are irrational and inconsistent,

nope

Women are Machiavellian by nature.

nope

all racial barriers are overcome by power, for money is power

nope

didn't finish reading it but i think i disagree with everything to some degree

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2017-03-20T19:12:00+00:00

Red pill is effectively an entire cult denying that women could never want to fuck their gay best friend.

Women have no issue with feminine men, this is evident by women who end up falling for their gay best friends. You don't have to fit some abstract masculine standard for women to find you attractive.

This is like, the entire foundation of the red pill lol. If women want to fuck feminine gay men, the red pill makes 0% sense.

fetchyminx · 2017-03-20T19:27:40+00:00

Hypergamy.

Title	Q4 Blue and Purple Pills: What is one RP concept you reject?
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