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Wow, this sub has completely gone to the dogs, any theories as to why?

by 88Will88 | July 20, 2016 | PurplePillDebate

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I used to read this sub quite a lot. Interesting threads on relationships, some intelligent posts and discussions. Then a few months ago the mods changed the rules. Stuff started getting deleted all the time. Stuff that would have been popular and generated good comments were deleted due to minor breaches of the rules.

Now look at the sub. 6-12 months ago there were several good posts most days. Even if the posts were not strictly debates, they were often funny. Now there is less and less posts, less and less comments. I think this is down to your mods and there strict and overbearing rules. I mean TRP is run pretty strict but it is still vibrant and loads of interesting posts every day (I have taken into account the larger membership, so that is not what I mean).

Now there is very little to read here. The vibrancy of discussion is dead, apart from u/ThatGreeklLady (who likes to post a lot) it appears no-one else is that interested in posting. Am I wrong?


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Title Wow, this sub has completely gone to the dogs, any theories as to why?
Author 88Will88
Upvotes 5
Comments 94
Date 20 July 2016 08:27 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit PurplePillDebate
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/273942
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4tq6qx/wow_this_sub_has_completely_gone_to_the_dogs_any/
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[–]hyperrrealLoves fun[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (23 children) | Copy

Am I wrong?

Yes. This sub has issues no doubt about it. But your understanding of them is waaaaay off.

The "new rules" were essentially a clearer version of rules that have been in place for more than a year. There was one exception, and that rule ended up being rejected by the community and not added. They have little to do with the fact that there's less posts here.

The main reason why there are less posts now than a few months ago, is because virtually all posts were from the same 2-3 trolls, who would spam PPD with shitposts using a new sockpuppet each time. We figured this out and starting removing them.

It really is an issue with posts only, because we still have huge threads with tons of comments. Recently I saw one with almost 1000 comments. For sub with less than 10k subscribers that's amazing.

Other than the troll(s), there's 2 reasons why there's fewer posts IMO:

  1. /r/TheRedPill and /r/TheBluePill are less relevant now than they were. A lot of posters have moved on to /r/The_Donald, /r/GamerGhazi, etc.
  2. Many people don't feel like it's worth it to put effort into a quality post. There's lots of users here who could put together some badass threads, but they don't because they think they're just going to get strawmanned, insulted, willfully misinterpreted, etc.

I wish the issue was rules-driven, because that's an easy problem for us to solve. Unfortunately it's not. It's a much deeper issue related to the life-cycle of this community, and it's honestly not clear what should be done about it.

[–]drok007Not white enough to be blue pill15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Too many incel posts. Too many TRPs that want sympathy. Different sets of people.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cora and Interversity both had really great posts recently. So did chemist woman BP or whatever her name is?

It seems to me PPD is really more of a friendly chat community of people who have come to like each other in spite of differences in worldview, than a true debate sub at this point. The name may even need to be changed to purplepilldiscussion or something to reflect this.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy

I don't think the issues are coming from the mods. More content is not necessarily better if it's all shit quality. I would rather see two excellent posts with engaging discussion than 7 garbage ones with a handful of comments.

I do think there has been a decline in quality posts. Part of that issue is repetition. Personally, I'd be happy to never debate incel issues again. We seem to be moving further and further away from actual red pill theory, and more into feminist issues. That's not what I come here for.

[–]czerdec0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Personally, I'd be happy to never debate incel issues again.

Don't all redpillers start as incels? Can't see how you can discuss the pill if you exclude that.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A lot of red pill users talk about coming from failed relationships, or just not getting what they wanted.

[–]bornreddMarried Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This RPer started as a married man with 4 children, so no.

[–]disposable_pants0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

We seem to be moving further and further away from actual red pill theory, and more into feminist issues.

Note that this is why challenging the core ideas of TRP on the actual sub is discouraged. If it were freely allowed, TRP would end up like PPD, where at least half the discussion isn't about TRP. That would defeat the point of having a sub specifically designed to, you know, discuss TRP.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That makes sense to me. Red pill users should have a place where they can discuss issues without needing to be in constant defense mode.

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

We seem to be moving further and further away from actual red pill theory, and more into feminist issues.

Interesting. I'll have to look over our posts and see. If so, that might be something we want to look into. Good feedback!

[–]shoup88Report me bitch1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

In the past week alone, there's been misandry in Ghostbusters, two posts on cons/pros of a patriarchal society, misogyny as hate crime, and that post about vaginal massage. And a month ago we had that rash of posts about "yes means yes", which could have been focused on LMR, but instead focused on the feminist reasoning behind the proposed laws.

It could be argued that these issues are tangentially related to RP, but IMO it's too far off topic.

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is entirely valid. It might be something we need to look into. Perhaps we need a few more guided discussion topics to put the conversation back on RP theory.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I wouldn't bring up feminism as much if it wasn't so often brought up by RPers first (usually misinterpreted at best, or demonized at worst).

It's a common topic over on TRP too, so kind of hard to avoid talking about it.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not blaming it on a specific pill or person. The demonization and misunderstanding of feminism is exactly why I'm not interested in debating it. It's like banging your head into a brick wall, and too emotionally charged for either side.

It's no fun for me.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah it's definitely no fun but I would maintain that feminism is relevant to TRP in that regard. I can't blame you for not wanting to get into though, it's a mess. :(

[–]czerdec-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe you need a sub where every thread must rigidly stick to RP tenets.

I won't post there because I just think TRP is retarded and not worthy of attention in itself. The points TRP is wrong about are interesting, and well worth discussion.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe you need a sub where every thread must rigidly stick to RP tenets

I don't need anything, but in a thread about the quality of this subreddit, I will post my concerns.

[–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel15 points16 points  (8 children) | Copy

apart from u/Thatgreeklady (who likes to post a lot)

A lot of her posting (both comments and threads) are shit posts though.

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[–]shoup88Report me bitch10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

A big chunk of her questions are just variations on the same thing, or too personal for large amounts of engagement.

[–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some of the stuff she has said is very trp, but point that out and she denies it,, lack of consistency.

[–]czerdec-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Isn't that the definition of shitpost, though? The word just means "me no like this post"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Agreed

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is my favorite sub to post in, because people here are actually intelligent and dedicated, and even if I disagree with them, I can still learn from them and make positive baynesian adjustments to my worldview, be forced to think critically to get rid any of my possible misconceptions, and help others do the same about theirs.

[–]InterversityPurple Pill, Blue Tribe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I bet you're one of those filthy lesswrongers too ;P

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, but thank you for introducing me to it! (had to google it) I love AI and Machine Learning.

[–]ppdthrowawaiRed Pill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rules might be part of it. Arguing in circles with the same few people might be part of it. There are a lot of BPers and RPers that more or less agree on many things and just disagree on language and morality. That gets old.

[–]TrialsAndTribbles3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would rather suffer the consequences of too much freedom than not enough.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

the leniency shown towards some of the obvious trolls and regular rule-breakers is pretty disappointing... i get the complaints that i used to see about that now. but other than that, the rules seem fine to me; they're not hard to follow and mostly keep things pretty fair and calm. i don't mind less content if it means the content that gets posted is better; i see a lot more interesting discussions now than i used to. there's an entire sub just for circle-jerking, so people looking for that should just use it.

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

To be honest, this is a complaint we get from both sides. Each one thinks that the other side has "favored" users who are given preferential treatment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

i don't see it. i don't know of many (legitimately) non-red or blue sub members that only troll/circlejerk or constantly make inflammatory threads with the sole intention of bothering other users, because "hahaha, look, morons TRIGGERED". one pops up occasionally, but then i don't hear from them again so either they quit, or they're banned. this is probably because TBP is a perfect place for those poking-fun threads, but TRP allows no such threads so they come here to do it.

there are still a lot of red and purple users (or a few black-flaired people) that engage this way, and despite that they're pretty openly liked and welcomed by mods, even in this very thread. it's pretty hard to see that as fair handling.

[–]InterversityPurple Pill, Blue Tribe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

there are still a lot of red and purple users (or a few black-flaired people) that engage this way, and despite that they're pretty openly liked and welcomed by mods, even in this very thread. it's pretty hard to see that as fair handling.

It seems to me that most people who spend enough time here to flair themselves put in at least some threshold amount of effort and thought. Not always particularly rational or non-inflammatory, but they don't really troll as such.

It's also hard to talk about this without naming specific names, since it's the same kind of argument as noted in a comment above ('I see this happen often!' 'I don't, you're wrong!' 'No u!' etc.)

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (15 children) | Copy

Too much fun policing. Everyone really just spits out their usual "completely logical and rational" data that supports their world view and then goes about their day patting themselves on the back.

Fun back and forth just gets deleted when it is reported unfortunately. I mainly come here for the juicy popcorn arguing which is mostly removed.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. Most of the posts made, feel like anyone could have written them and that they add nothing new to the discussion.

[–]betterdeadthanbetaHeartless cynical bastard0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

I agree. Throw in some creative troll posts, memes, and RP celebs like GLO dropping in with his outlandish posts, and you have yourself a party.

I miss when this place used to get an OP like once per hour and you could expect the usual rogues gallery to show up.

Taiboworks! Who could forget him and his armchair psychoanalyzing.

And how about whoever that was behind HighSchoolJockBully and related troll accounts? Such a card! With his constant posts about height + facial aesthetics being literally everything in life.

What about that one RPer who straight up confessed to rape in one of his posts and whose very presence was triggering to bluepillers? His name escapes me, but he too was a dependable lolcow.

It seems only the most moderate and non trollish individuals remain to shepherd the debate here now. The heady days of the revolution are long gone, and the stolid bureaucratic kommissars are all that remains.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

And how about whoever that was behind HighSchoolJockBully and related troll accounts? Such a card! With his constant posts about height + facial aesthetics being literally everything in life.

That account had a comment that was so funny to me I still think about it to this day. Out of nowhere in a comment chain (and with someone taking them really seriously) they replied - "Software companies are incel concentration camps." That is solid.

I am like 90% sure that person went on to create /r/Truecels and take their trolling to another level.

But yeah no offense, but we used to have really great trolls. Now all the trolling is super low-level. We have to remove it because it's so obvious.

[–]betterdeadthanbetaHeartless cynical bastard1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude it seems unbelievable but i actually remember that post too. I remember stopping what i was doing to laugh out loud for a good few seconds.

In context it was funny as shit.

Where have all the good men gone? T_T

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Where have all the good men gone? T_T

Indeed.

[–]pitaenigmaBeta Male Seeks Cock Carouseler1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

What about that one RPer who straight up confessed to rape in one of his posts and whose very presence was triggering to bluepillers? His name escapes me, but he too was a dependable lolcow.

CisWhiteMaelstrom. He has a new account every few weeks but I don't remember which one it is. I think he's modding /r/altright right now but I'm not sure.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

He has a new account every few weeks but I don't remember which one it is.

Does he? CMW was fairly consistent.

[–]pitaenigmaBeta Male Seeks Cock Carouseler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I may be wrong then. I dunno. I can't keep track of it.

[–]InterversityPurple Pill, Blue Tribe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Didn't he get doxxed?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I totally agree, I used to read some amusing posts and some very clever ones then, bang they were deleted. The mods in here totally suck and the new rules are ridiculous, over the top and over policed

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

The mods in here totally suck

I disagree. Most mods are pretty reasonable overall and even those who certainly aren't at least don't abuse their mod privileges as far as I can tell.

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Hopefully you find I'm reasonable! :)

I'd like to think that we try to be reasonable, and don't abuse our modly powers. We tend to work by consensus, which limits how much abuse happens.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hopefully you find I'm reasonable! :)

You're one of the two feminists in here (well, formerly two, sleela has left the building) I consider reasonable.

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good to know! We all try to be reasonable, even if we don't succeed.

[–]ThrowawayCactus60122 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

What I've noticed is that a lot of people come in here with an agenda or some axe to grind, while fewer people are actually interested in an honest debate. It seems that many people (including the mods) are more interested in how to debate rather than the actual content or subject matter of the debate.

[–]adrixshadowIndigo Pill(aka dark and evil occult pill)0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That was the case from the start.

It's not like there are any neutrals here.

Its a place where too enemies clash, flamewars are a natural result.

Without flamewars you have nothing, a civilized discussion can only exist if there was a neutral third party. But that doesn't exist.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

there, I made a thread

[–]wynterpetalsBlue Pill XX2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's getting boring...and I know even I have stopped posting research articles, because, what's the point?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

PPD has been shit ever since /u/TheGreasyPole left.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Thanks, I guess. (Xanman?)

Can't say I haven't been posting because of rule changes or anything else in OP.... I just got a new job and wanted to focus on that... and found I'd said everything I wanted to say at least once.. so I'm taking a break.

I just need to find some things to ignite my interest in chatting shit on the internet again. So far the only thing tempting me is Trump.

Because, holy fuck, what a shit show fail parade thats turning out to be... But the trumpies would be no fun. All mouth, no brains.

How you been doing?

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Awww, we miss you! <3

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

My favorite Brit! (after Tolkien. But ahead of TotalBiscuit! And... hm, does Milo count as a Brit?)

Miss you :..(

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I know you've just been busy with your job, still miss ya though.

I've been doing good myself cheers. But I'm with you that chatting shit online gets stale without fresh material now and then. PPD these days is just "weep for how oppressed incels are" tbh, boring af.

[–]betterdeadthanbetaHeartless cynical bastard2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy

Most of my submissions get removed ;(

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Awww, we still love you, bdtb! <3

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

So what is the point of participating? (I'm Chaotic Neutral BTW)

[–]betterdeadthanbetaHeartless cynical bastard0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I dunno. Force of habit?

I think i just come to see bluepillers post and have my (low) opinions of the whole BP worldview confirmed.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We are like a match made in heaven :3

[–]shoup88Report me bitch1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you work best in moderation.

[–]pitaenigmaBeta Male Seeks Cock Carouseler0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I made a few idiotic submissions that were removed.

[–]betterdeadthanbetaHeartless cynical bastard1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Keep on fighting the good fight comrade. Together we can slip at least a few shitposts through.

[–]pitaenigmaBeta Male Seeks Cock Carouseler2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Together, we will make the world a stupider place.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The fact that I was told I was on thin ice by the mods for responding to someone with, "I'll bet.", told me they were looking for whatever shit excuse they could find to ban me.

I'm not that motivated to post a lot.

[–]betterdeadthanbetaHeartless cynical bastard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is no country for troll men.

[–]CarkudoThe original opinionated omega4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you're wrong.

[–]czerdec1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Maybe we can create no-rules sub where penis emoticons are as valid as an on-topic, high-effort contribution to debate. I see the value in both a free-flowing sub and one where a certain amount of rigor is maintained. I don't think you can usefully combine the two.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe we can create no-rules sub where penis emoticons are as valid as an on-topic, high-effort contribution to debate.

It already exists - /r/PurplePillCirclejerk. No one was interested in using it.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe we can create no-rules sub where penis emoticons are as valid as an on-topic, high-effort contribution to debate.

4chan already exists and there is usually at least one "why are women so horrible", "how do I get a gf" and "why are X the best women" thread and whenever I feel like debating with someone that thinks a penis is a good counterargument I will go there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

4Chan is mostly shit, but also has much more very high quality posts compared with most parts of the internet.

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[–]hyperrrealLoves fun[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

routinely move highly active posts and threads.

This is completely untrue. Did you look at your own link? In the last 2 weeks only 1 highly active post was removed. And I make no apologies for it. PPD isn't /r/shittyredpill.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah like why did they remove the BPD thread? Some quality discussion was going down in there.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun[M] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

We didn't. I asked OP to flesh out how the post was relevant to PPD, and they deleted it instead.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4tj2sm/for_rp_m_w_lying_manipulation_and_bpd/d5i4g62?context=3

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh I assumed the mods removed it because it wasn't "relevant to PPD" as the comment says. If it was the OP who deleted it fair enough.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah we did not remove that post.

[–][deleted] 0 points0 points | Copy

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

well at least you can wear the ban from those mean ol' mods as a badge of honor.

[–]TheSonofLibertyUndecided1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

People can be really rude here sometimes.

Like when Xemnas posted legit arguments they would be ignored and instead he would be told "go to therapy" or that he was "weird" mostly from blue pillers.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I miss him :(

[–]kick6Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Seems about the same to me.

[–]Transmigratory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I guess too many people got triggered.

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBBI'm Back0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can only beat a dead horse so much before you realize it's pointless.

When people come to this sub, most of them have already made up their mind from the get go.

[–]adrixshadowIndigo Pill(aka dark and evil occult pill)0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When you use Deletion to moderate a discussion board you fail from the start.

It become the whim of power tripping censorship happy mods.

It's the communities fault for reaching this state. We should leave and make another board.

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It's not as good as a it used to be, I need to find a new sub to be my home sub. A few top users left, a couple are left but I think this sub got a bit too restrictive in terms of the rules which has lead to stagnation. ThatGreekLady has made some top quality threads in the past few days, but overall it's gone to shit.

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ThatGreekLady has made some top quality threads in the past few days

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