CMV: TRP hates "Safe Spaces" but is in itself a safe space.

prodigy2throw · 2016-04-21T22:55:24+00:00

A safe space is somewhere where you don't say something to offend another person who is also in said safe space.

Go to asktrp. Guys talk sooo much shit and give tough advice and hard truth. That is not a safe space.

A safe space would be if everyone on trp was consoling each other and saying "don't worry it's not your fault"

MagicGainbow · 2016-04-21T20:45:26+00:00

So, if this is true, why are so many people banned from TRP?

Concern trolling can ruin the sub, trolls are banned too.

Actual members are often treated mercilessly for their fuck ups.

daveofmars · 2016-04-21T22:49:56+00:00

The day TRP auto-bans people who post on feminist and blue pill subs, the way feminist and blue pill subs currently auto-ban people who subscribe to TRP, is the day I accept your equivalence.

kick6 · 2016-04-21T21:14:16+00:00

Safe spaces, at least in TRP parlance, are hugboxes "because words do hurt" with no hard talk, and extra stuffed animals and coloring books. TRP isn't so much a safe space as an echo chamber. Attempting not to protect it's users from badfeelz, but to keep a consistent message.

Equilibriun · 2016-04-21T21:41:38+00:00

I've actually said this before. Ironically TRP is the safe place where men can be angry and not be labeled by SJW terms. But in TRPs version, it's "safe" from people trying to make noise to the message. Not from other people in TRP giving you cold hard truths. Safe spaces are for morons who can't handle disagreement in public places IN REAL LIFE that don't want to face facts. This is a forum, and I've been banned from certain ones without posting there ever. They can be ran at moderators whims.

The message of TRP is actually ironically feminist. The amazing notion that women should be held just as responsible for the shit they do. But we know better they don't want to. So we do what all men do. We mentally "deal"/ accept it and move on with our lives.

BluePiller1776 · 2016-04-21T21:37:34+00:00

You can't talk about TRP anywhere except TRP. You can talk about the glories of feminism pretty much everywhere else on reddit

This sub isn't a safe space, and it's filled with TRPers

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exit_sandman · 2016-04-21T21:20:26+00:00

Advocates for Youth states on their website that a safe-space is: "A place where anyone can relax and be fully self-expressed, without fear of being made to feel uncomfortable, unwelcome or challenged on account of biological sex, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, cultural background, age, or physical or mental ability; a place where the rules guard each person's self-respect, dignity and feelings and strongly encourage everyone to respect others.

Nope, sorry. You fail.

Even if we change the benchmarks and remove all the SJW pet causes (biological sex, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, cultural background, age, or physical or mental ability), the fact that the whole "thou shalt not trigger or belittle thy fellow safe space inmates"-directive is thoroughly disregarded should be a hint that you're talking nonsense.

Its a surprise to no one that posting on TRP against one of their ideas or "endorsed members" will get you banned.

Bullshit, disagreeing with endorsed poster doesn't get you banned. Being a troll does, though.

alreadyredschool · 2016-04-21T21:51:50+00:00

I can slender in there call 90% of them beta doormats, question the character of some guys, call him a pussy and not get banned but upvoted, especially if he acts like a pussy. No really, RP is much harsher on guys than it's on women but somehow this is forgotten.

If it's a safe space then it's a horrible one at that.

Say faggot on TBP and get banned. Call a pussy on TRP a faggot and you get upvoted.

MakeEmSayAyy · 2016-04-22T03:10:35+00:00

you're more than welcome to go in there with facts.

but the fact is and ive argued this in every sub, women have every gender based stat in their favor in the west.

if you come in there and make good logical points they'll let it go. we can back up every point.

GaiusScaevolus · 2016-04-22T05:39:18+00:00

I think there's a difference between creating your own "clubhouse" for which you control the criteria for entry, and co-opting public spaces and spaces primarily funded by the people you attempt to exclude.

The notion that any college, public or private, excludes the exercise of free speech or other rights by taxpayers and/or tuition payers respectively is absurd. The notion of creating your own private supported space and not opening it up to people who hate you is a different proposition entirely.

TRP folks don't object to having your own space, but create your own, don't steal from others.

InBaggingArea · 2016-04-21T20:39:51+00:00

It's not so much a safe space as a straif space. It's a place where people who are left out from everywhere else can go to say what they really think.

There's also a separate soon for asking questions of TRP. TRP itself is about showcasing TRP ideas and asking questions is not allowed, as I understand it. No expert here.

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Eulabeia · 2016-04-21T22:03:38+00:00

What do you think a safe space is? By your definition it seems that every forum with moderators that bans users for straying from the discussion topic is a safe space.

If I'm not mistaken, a feminist safe space is a place where nobody says anything offensive, there's no arguing, and everyone must agree with the basics of feminism.

In contrast, posters on TRP try to be offensive as possible, and there's a decent amount of arguing. As far as I know you'll only be banned if you don't agree with the goals of subreddit.

Entropy-7 · 2016-04-22T00:28:17+00:00

TRP is a pretty rough and tumble place and there is a wide variety of opinions on particular points, disagreements and even heated discussion. Sometimes the mods and such get heavy handed about the purity of the message and - as with any moderated forum - ban people who give them heartache.

The biggest problems with "safe spaces" are 1) today's society is active in creating and maintaining leftist/feminist safe spaces while preventing or dismantling conservative/masculine safe spaces and 2) point 1 is extending into public forums such as university and politics that should not be safe for anyone but rather a crucible of frank talk to seek truth and solve problems.

statsfodder · 2016-04-22T02:03:06+00:00

The same reason SRS, TBP and other "satire" femmpire subs ban people... follow the narrative or gfto. It isn't special to TRP and while it is hypocritical to create a "safe space" at the same time as decrying them as killing freedom of speech, the others do the same in proclaiming free speech meanwhile sanitizing that speech to create a safe space.

takeshyperbolelitera · 2016-04-22T07:51:25+00:00

I think we need a working definition of 'safe spaces'. I have a vague idea, but I suspect others, including the OP, have a different definition.

There seems to be people on Tumblr that want to claim the entirety of public university campuses as a safe space, which I suspect many people are against, including TRP.

Calling a subreddit a 'safe space' doesn't seem to match what people are typically talking about when they say safe space.

I have no problems with people forming some kind semi-private group (subreddit) on a privately owned (ie not government funded) web site and excluding people based on whatever arbitrary rules they chose.

[deleted] · 2016-04-22T10:30:05+00:00

I utterly despise safespaces and from what I can see, TRP is a safespace/hugbox for men to talk about how hard it is out there, and how the rest of the world just doesn't understand, and it really hurts their fee-fees and buy a t-shirt

pls

GregariousWolf · 2016-04-22T13:55:38+00:00

This depends on your definition of safe space.

If you define safe space to mean a moderated message forum where the discussion is limited to certain topics and trolls are banned, then sure. By this definition, TRP is a safe space.

However, I don't think that is what people usually mean when they use the term safe space. The term as it is generally used on Reddit and college campuses is closely associated with identity politics. It is not just that the topic of discussion is moderated and that off-topic or abusive posts are removed.

In a safe space, feelings matter more than arguments of logic, and who you are matters more than what you stand for. Your membership in the preferred class entitles you to permission to speak and gives you more license in the things you may say. Self-censorship is encouraged to prevent politically incorrect ideas from being expressed and steps are taken to prevent undesirables from participating.

As I define it, TRP is a moderated forum, but it is not a safe space. There are subs that meet this definition. I'm banned from subs like r-offmychest, r-rape, r-blackladies, r-againsthatesubreddits (and probably more that I don't know about) even though I never participated in any of those subs. I am an undesirable person only for having posted in TRP on occasion. The content of my posts was unimportant. On TRP people disagree, sometimes vehemently, on politics or religion. Arguments on politics or religion get moderated for being off-topic, but you can call people out on bullshit. You do have to stay on-topic, but you don't have to spare people's feelings.

The OP is making an appeal to hypocrisy, also known as a tu quoque fallacy. OP's definition of safe space is overly broad. When TRP preemptively bans people who post in TBP or bans people for having the wrong politics or genitalia then it will be a safe space. Until then, I don't think it meets a strict definition of one.

Christian_Kong · 2016-04-22T19:33:41+00:00

I agree the subreddit in itself is a safe space but not the RP/alpha/whatever lifestyle.

It's unlike many other safe spaces in that it is a safe space that (often)helps people deal with the real world as opposed to many others that are used to protect people from the real world.

disposable_pants · 2016-04-21T22:10:49+00:00

Its a surprise to no one that posting on TRP against one of their ideas or "endorsed members" will get you banned.

You can absolutely disagree with an endorsed contributor on TRP. You can even challenge the ideas -- just as much as you can challenge the central ideas of any sub. For example, I can't go on /r/baseball and tell everyone that baseball is stupid and they're all losers for liking such a boring fucking sport. That's trolling, and that will (and should) be banned anywhere.

[deleted] · 2016-04-21T22:21:23+00:00

To them it is an overreach of the feminist agenda that does nothing but put men down.

The difference is this. Feminism, attempts to change the real world, into a safe space. It attempts to derail all negative criticisms of it's movement, and women in general. They seek to use legal and governmental powers to enforce their safe space unto everyone. Anyone who critiques a woman for her appearance, sexuality, or basically anything is instantly labeled a misogynist. Anyone who "isn't a feminist" is automatically declared vouching for spousal rape and think of women as sub human.

TRP, is a space within the world. It has central ideas for its spaces, but does not advocate it's members trying to spread those ideas to other people. One rule of TRP is you don't bring it up to real life friends.

c_in_macn · 2016-04-21T22:16:56+00:00

TRP is nothing like a safe space. Members are actively censored all over reddit so they have to have a place to talk about ideas. It's not about protecting people from feelings.

YaBoiTibzz · 2016-04-22T03:56:37+00:00

Safe spaces are only problematic when you start imposing them on others so that you never have to leave yours, as opposed to recognizing that it is a place that you can retreat to but must then eventually venture out from. SJWs do the former while wanting to deny TRP, MRA, etc., to even have the latter. TRP meanwhile advocates that you be very careful about even talking about any of the ideas offline much less try and impose them on anyone else through shaming tactics and the like.

winndixie · 2016-04-22T19:29:23+00:00

How safe do you feel in /r/trp?

[deleted] · 2016-04-25T01:55:04+00:00

This is the very definition of a safe space

WrensPens · 2016-04-21T22:40:05+00:00

Yeah, it's a fucking safe space for their sperg ECs who need to make sure no one hurts their fee-fees after they posted their jack off fantasies.

[deleted] · 2016-04-22T00:13:02+00:00

I dunno where all this "TRP bans people easily" stuff comes from. I've expressed some controversial views there and bern downvoted, even got some shitty PMs, but not banned. I think it's quite an open-minded forum, actually, wouldn't call it a "safe space". People there will certainly call you on your bullshit.

[deleted] · 2016-04-22T01:03:23+00:00

Damn right it's my safe space. I can go there and say whatever I want without a bunch of whiny bitches and manginas attacking me because I hurt their fee fees.

The only real difference is that it's a non-politically correct safe space instead of a politically correct safe space

caesarfecit · 2016-04-22T09:21:58+00:00

Somebody else said it best - TRP is an echo chamber rather than a safe space. People are free to argue and flame each other, but there isn't really a diversity of viewpoints and the mods can be pretty cancerous, they just think they're better than other cancermods because they're not SJWs.

I understand TRP not being a free for all, it draws in a lot of left-wing and some loony right-wing trolls too. A lot of times conversations devolve into juvenile attempts to out-edgy each other, equal and opposite to lefty virtue signaling.

But a lot of the blame for that sub being a shit hole rests on the core users being more about validating their set of beliefs than they are about encouraging thought, growth, and development.

InBaggingArea · 2016-04-22T11:33:28+00:00

I think the problem here is that feminists are trying to make the public sphere "safe" for feminists, where the expression of disagreement is defined as unsafe.

But if you say that the expression of disagreement is risky, then anyone who tries to create a safe space for themselves is creating an unsafe space for others.

I see no attempt by TRP to make the public sphere unsafe for feminists.

redmachines · 2016-04-21T20:54:01+00:00

TRP is not a safe space. Those men are never going to run away from their problems with women by entering a seduction forum. A safe space for men has to be one where women are not discussed in any shape way or form. Otherwise the sexual failure will follow you like a shadow.

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SlimLovin · 2016-04-22T13:11:27+00:00

They want to talk without constantly feeling attacked and thats fine with me.

I disagree with this.

I agree that TRP is identical to a Safe Space, and I would be totally fine with that if they'd just admit that they are being inconsistent (which has never before happened in the history of TRP)

But they do want to feel attacked. They feel attacked by women. They feel attacked by feminists. They feel attacked by other users on reddit.

They need to feel attacked, because they are demographically members of the majority who need to feel like an oppressed minority. That's the reason they exist, as a reaction to some misconstrued and baseless idea of Evil Womyn. That's the reason they don't allow outside opinions. It would poke holes in the DAE MEN THO!? circlejerk.

Title	CMV: TRP hates "Safe Spaces" but is in itself a safe space.
Author	BluePiller1776
Upvotes	49
Comments	247
Date	April 21, 2016 8:35 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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