im a lurker and just been thinking, if the redpillers all aspire to be plate spinners who idolise the dark triad, well anyone who's studied this shit knows that the dark triad can be pretty fucked up personality disorders and most people on them can't be trusted. so why would we trust the big names of trp?

here are some reasons I'm led to believe that the modern trp is a business and has ulterior motives to the rest of the men's rights movement

  • TRP top dogs are blatantly selling their ideas using a marketing strategy

examples

Rollo is making money from this shit http://hortonsclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Rational-male-300x225.jpg

Roosh is making money from this shit http://i0.wp.com/content.animalnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/banged_washko_blur.jpg?resize=600%2C453this is very effective

Illimitable man is making or planning to make money from this shit https://www.patreon.com/illimitableman?ty=h

GLO is very blatantly explicitly making money from this shit and cannot stop posting product placement https://teespring.com/gloalphashirt

  • TRP IDOLISES the dark triad spectrum. illimitable man has made many big ass posts on why dark triads are sexy to women

http://illimitablemen.com/power/

as has Roissy of chateau heartiste

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/why-are-men-with-dark-triad-personalities-so-irresistible-to-women/

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/cultivate-your-inner-dark-triad/

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/dark-personalities-get-the-girl/

yet anyone who has actually researched the dark triad knows that clinical dts can't be trusted.

https://www.eaplstudent.com/component/content/article/133-dark-triad

The Dark Triad is a set of three personality constructs: Machiavellianism, subclinical narcissism, and subclinical psychopathy, which have been deemed to be socially aversive[1]. That is, individuals who possess characteristics of any of the personality disorders that make up the Dark Triad are likely to be selfish, possess a grandiose sense of importance, and feel an increased sense of entitlement. Further, these individuals are often pre-occupied with dominance and power and will use aggressive tactics such as manipulation and exploitation to get whatever it is that they feel that they deserve[2]. Because of this, individuals with dark triad characteristics are possibly over-represented in offender samples (e.g., prisons). The current fact sheet discusses each of these three personality constructs in more detail.

Machiavellianism

Machiavellianism is best represented as a manipulative personality, one who believes that the ends justify the means regardless of the human suffering. These individuals are arrogant, calculating and will use whatever means necessary, such as deception and undermining the trust of others, to achieve their goals[3]. While society has deemed individuals with Machiavellianism to be aversive, Machiavellian’s do not see themselves as selfish or entitled and are excellent at rationalizing their behaviour.

and more

  • the 48 laws of power is a sidebar post-but what the guys subscribed don't realise is, the vanguards could be using laws against them!

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2n3gxr/48_days_of_power_full_list_for_sidebar/

  1. conceal your intentions

  2. always say less than necessary

  3. learn to keep people dependent on you

  4. use selective honesty and generosity to disarm your victim

  5. play on people's need to believe to create a cult-like following

  6. play to people's fantasies

  7. discover each man's thumbscrew

  8. stir up waters to catch fish

  9. work on the hearts and minds of others

  10. disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect (as they do on feminists-seriously trp is supposed to parallel feminazis)

and so on

  • the narrative trp promotes fosters a persecution complex

so i think all of us pills can agree on a few things right, that

  1. dating is a bit harder for the average man than the average woman, cos guys want to fuck more

  2. women care more about looks than men were taught, and most guys will struggle to get hot girl's attention

  3. online dating is REALLY skewed in women's favour, as a hot girl can get like thousands of messages a day lol, and even average women get anywhere between dozens and hundreds

  4. 'just be yourself' is bullshit and if you're a loser you need to improve yourself, but for YOU to be happy

  5. 'nice guys' rarely get the girl, I don't think they're manipulative assholes like the feminists do, but they are pussies for not admitting to want to fuck her, and also

  6. 'nice' isn't enough to attract a girl, you need to be good looking (to her), smart, funny, interesting, lots of things. david wong summed up nicely hear in '6 harsh truths'

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/

so dating REALLY sucks for socially awkward dudes

  1. for whatever reason women don't like needy guys, maybe cos they become creeps or stalkers or something idk. but confidence is important and not giving a fuck (what trp calls frame, abundance mentality etc.) these are all great. however this isn't really taught much when we're young, we're taught to be a good person, but we're not taught how to be cool and exciting

but as explained by the wandering mind here, the narrative on trp needs to make the guys keep wanting to come back to reddit red pill and not just ask men or whatever…so they throw in a lot of jargon which basically hypnotises the guys into seeing the world according to a new 'reality' where there is a big conspiracy against men

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3sg6g4/on_trp_idea_systems_and_the_regrettable_lack_of/

and soulcake duck also pointed out awhile back how the terminology is basically non falsifiable, because to AWALT! you can just say outlier! or solipsism! or hamstering! (post is on depth hub)

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1n3xjf/anecdotes_sollipsism_and_hamsters_does_trps/

how do you know that the ecs and vanguards aren't just exaggerating the shitty dating dynamics (which i agree, really suck for dudes) with cherry picked evidence on the sidebar (like 'the misandry bubble' which is basically about why marriage just leads to getting cucked and divorce raped unless you have game, and 'confessions of a reformed incel' which is about a forever alone incel who was gonna kill himself until the day he finally conveniently discovered the secret of game, to be an asshole!) How do you know this isn't basically a tool, a framing device to create a climate of paranoia which leaves socially awkward, autistic, ALREADY depressed and unattractive dudes depending on what they say to them? That leaves them easy pickings for taking their money with 'the holy grail to beating hypergamy' which apparently only trp can provide because EVERYWHERE ELSE is infected by the feminine imperative. also, as we know, there is a pretty tight ban hammer which they man hamster as 'signal to noise ratio'…anyone who basically doesn't agree with the dogma, including circle jerking to the persecution complex (anger phase is forever) gets banned

…and thing is guys, it's nothing new to the PUA scene, PUAs have been trying to take insecure socially awkward omegas money for years lol

http://get-a-girl-to-like-you.com

and carries on on other more obscure websites than reddit to this day lol

http://www.tsbmag.com/how-to-get-a-girl-to-like-you/

tl;dr I feel there is something fishy about what trp is doing now. it seems to be running more like a business.