Feminist Shaming Tactic: Charge of Gender-Specific Character Flaw

alreadyredschool · 2016-01-14T10:13:39+00:00

You nominate a list of fallacies to the side bar of a debate sub?

Fallacy spouting makes you sound like an idiot. An argument is wrong or right, the fallacious structure of an argument doesn't matter. If you just identify the way this argument is formed them you still have not disproved anything about the argument itself.

You always have to disprove the argument, if your counter argument just attacks the structure then you still have to disprove my argument. And if yours does attack the content of the argument and you have a good one then spouting Latin is a) optional b) again makes you look weird.

[deleted] · 2016-01-14T21:28:14+00:00

What you call "shaming tactics" are actually excuses made for people practicing misandry in hope that they are not actually bigots.

The rest of your post seems to indicate that you want to be an actual bigot (skip to the next paragraph if this offends you). You do not get to fault 50% of the entire species for your personal problems and those you perceive among others, and be regarded as if you are putting forth healthy, rational thoughts.

If you practice egalitarian feminism, then you should distinguish yourself from third wave and accept that the bigotry of third wave feminists detracts from all feminism. At this point, this is your only out that I can see. It looks to me like either you do not distinguish between third wave and egalitarian feminism, or you are a bigot.

Either way, nobody owes it to you that you should be praised or coddled. You should be corrected, and if people can not get through to you, then the nicest thing they can do is assume it's temporary by making the excuses that you call "shaming tactics". Any kind of superficial supremacy is a terrible, dangerous thing. Period.

The absolute only thing in any kind of feminism that is outright shameful with no room for debate is bigotry. And no, the existence of egalitarian feminists does not excuse third wave feminists for their hatred. There is no excuse.

energyvolley · 2016-01-14T09:22:51+00:00

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PoopInMyBottom · 2016-01-14T17:38:37+00:00

Just because something can be used as a shaming tactic, doesn't mean it's wrong.

a) Charge of superficiality: Hot girl goggles

Well, what if you actually do have hot girl goggles on? It happens to people and you see it reflected in their posts.

b).Charge of generalisation (see also; confirmation bias/sample bias)

This is a perfectly good argument. Generalising based on a group that isn't representative is fallacious. Confirmation bias is a problem, especially in TRP as they do nothing to mitigate it.

c) Charge of mental or emotional instability (I get this all the time)

Agreed. This one is usually just shitty.

d) Charge of Sour Grapes (over and over)

But what if sour grapes is an accurate description of the situation? I think an huge number of MGTOW are guilty of sour grapes, which is one of the reasons they stamp their feet and shout "I'M LEAVING," rather than forego women quietly.

e) Charge of Unattractiveness (yet again over and over) and some Charge of With-held Affection

Withheld affection is a valid argument in certain contexts. We model our relationships based on the relationships we experience growing up. If, growing up, you never learn to differentiate between a manipulative relationship and an open relationship, you won't be able to differentiate them as an adult.

wuboo · 2016-01-14T07:43:49+00:00

How is saying people are shallow "implicitly partially blames men (and patriarchy) for the flaw"?

Iwanttoliveinspace · 2016-01-14T12:17:10+00:00

The reason that someone would use an argument (or avoid another argument) with logic that is fallacious, is simple:

They allowed emotion to get in the way of rational thought.

[deleted] · 2016-01-15T03:31:04+00:00

Feminist need all these shaming tactic and fallacies because at the end of the day it doesn't hold up to argument.

Women need more rights when they hold the beneficial part of every single statistic? Yeah literally no stats back anything they claim up.

drok007 · 2016-01-14T14:05:45+00:00

I've said it before, BPers are the type of people who believe ad hominem is a valid argument. It is part of the collectivist feminine thought process. It's not the individualist stratifying "get stuff done" type of thinking. It's the averaging, "make everyone the same/equal" type of thinking. Attacking someone's character forces them to conform and doesn't address potentially valid arguments of the other side.

It order to truly change your view, you would have to believe that one first premise is better than the other. I think they are just fundamentally different first premises.

I would say to make it concise, individualist thinking along RP lines will improve the best case scenario and probably average case scenario, at the expense of the worst case scenarios. Collectivist BP thinking will improve the worst case scenarios at the expense of the best case and average case scenarios.

wazzup987 · 2016-01-14T16:37:45+00:00

Hot girl goggles

it would be if rp didn't admit to it them selves. their is nothing wrong with want to date or fuck some attractive but a lot rp advice centers around getting ones life in order

the only differences is that some men will tolerate a woman who doesn't have her shit together a woman wont. that largely a problem of standards for men.

Charge of Sour Grapes (over and over)

this one is true , i speak from experience from my time spent on this forum. i mean have you seen TRP? a bunch of guys who are unsucessful with women got together.it a confirmation feed back loop.

Also to quoque is valid because rp is making claims about things they claim are gendered. fallacies ALWAYS have a loop hole

Charge of Unattractiveness

again if red pillers were attractive they wouldn't be on rp. and also i think its more their personality holding them back in quiet a lot of cases

Charge of mental or emotional instability

some very clearly.... have issues

Personal incredulity (see most reactions to incel stories like that of Carkudo; Nice Guy shaming as 'just wants to get in her pants'). Cf. Burden of proof

the issues with nice guys is that the term is about nice guys that blow up at rejection. and like it our not the ball for nice guys is 80% in their court

Appeal to popularity

right and if red pill were correct it would be so fucking obvious that most people would be rp. it a valid criticism. it not like saying 90% of people believe walking under ladder brings bad luck, or god, it not soem thing that self evident. most people have to work and interact with the opposite gender, most people also fuck the opposite gender at least from time to time, if rp were true ppd trp and bp wouldn't even be needed it would be self evident like gravity.

-Texas Sharpshooter (both sides; e.g. "If you are constantly getting rejected, there'd s probably something wrong with you"

texas sharp shooter is just and other way of say cherry picking, and yes the if every one else isn't having a problem then the problem probably lies with you is a valid critique. their are billions of people, saying red pillers are out liers is valid.

Golden mean

never seen it here

Personal incredulity

yeah that one is bullshit coming from bp, it blindingly obvious that nice guys want a relationship.

that's not a gender specific fault. Some men arr X too.

that because a lot of the time rp brings up things that really aren't gender specific, while claimingtheyare gender specific and rp always responds with moving the goals post IE well we don't want to fuck men.

"Yes-some women are shallow. Shallowness is not gender specific. But men haven't been objectified for their bodies for centuries."

i dont think i have seen a blooper make that claim and i have been on ppd for about a year and half

feminism's eyes justifies their persecution and shame, even if said trait is recognised as universal and not gender specific.

which has nothing to do with all women and everything to do with tumblr feminists

Russell's Teapot to shift burden of proof to RP: 'You can't prove I'm wrong, ergo I'm right' (again "continue thread')

thats a two way street

wub1234 · 2016-01-14T12:41:02+00:00

Life isn't fair. Nothing that happens in this world is fair. Different standards are demanded from men and women, and men and women face different (and often insoluble) problems. That's life.

Title	Feminist Shaming Tactic: Charge of Gender-Specific Character Flaw
Author	Xemnas81
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Date	January 14, 2016 7:19 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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