2015, The Future and Direction of TRP, and a new announcement.

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January 8, 2015

Well, it's 2015, and in just over two years we've seen the community grow from a hundred subscribers to over 91,000 subscribers. It's been an incredible journey so far, and the growth looks nowhere close to stopping.

So what is the future of trp? What are our goals, and our predictions? What has changed in the past two years? What do we expect to see change this year?

As with the first year, we saw a similar growth in interest of TRP throughout reddit, to the extent that some subreddits have now banned reference to even our name. But nevertheless, curious souls continue finding their way here. Men who have been lied to, who have lost their ways in their lives, relationships, communities and careers. But this year was bigger than just reddit attention. This year we started seeing an increase in the number of mainstream media outlets now bucking the feminine imperative and asking questions. Is feminism still necessary? Is it ok to not be a feminist? What's happening to men? Why are they dropping out of society?

From the reaches of Time Magazine, New York Times, the Wall St Journal, the blow up of #gamergate in main stream gaming, and hundreds of smaller voices contributing, the tide is changing.

Now, these are baby steps, and they aren't without backlash. But what's important to note is that they're happening, and we've got front-row tickets to see the show.

As has been hammered again and again throughout the years, TRP is not an activist movement. However, what it is is a group of like-minded individuals who have a common desire to seek out truth and understanding in a culture that is operating against their best interests. The very need for TRP is inextricably linked to our social climate and the movements therein (not the least of which is feminism, but certainly it is not limited to this).

As observers, it would be disingenuous to say that these particular changes couldn't be used to our advantage. Though some here may say they prefer red pill knowledge be kept under wraps, maintaining the advantage of proprietary tips and tricks, the reality is that if the pendulum continues to swing as it is, we will be facing a climate in which men begin to make ground. You'd best learn to embrace it.

TRP has always put a great amount of value in adaptation. The mainstream adoption of a male-primary focus will require adaptation. It will put tools in the hands of other men, and it may increase competition in the short or long terms. However, with the cons, we may also see and address the pros that might come from this social change:

  • Male Birth Control
  • Divorce Reform (2.0?)
  • Mandatory Paternity Testing
  • Male-Primary Courtship and Dating

This list is incomplete, and of course quite lofty. The mere hope of a male-primary courtship may be well outside our lifetimes, if ever, but the reality has already begun that women, in their never-ending attempts to be unique and at the top of the hierarchy, have started denouncing feminism and embracing feminine traits as a strategy. In other words, red pill women are catching on as a novel trend. Much as hipsterdom strives to avoid the mainstream, women today are starting to treat cooking for their man as a positive accessory in their trendy, popular lifestyles. (Much like veganism, organic foods, winter boots, ipods, and starbucks).

Whether or not this will eventually serve us in a potentially positive way is yet to be seen. But the good news is that women prefer to adopt counter-cultures that they see other women adapt. Once it begins, we may see an uptick in potentially useful women. A long-shot, perhaps, but a possible positive outcome from the social changes taking place.

TRP is far from outdated, and plenty of the information here is timeless advice. But one thing is for sure: while the feminine imperative may not have changed much over the history of man kind, our cultures have changed to feminine-primary in recognition thereof. A change, however minor, back to our direction may make our lives that much easier, better, or more fulfilling.

These may just be the ramblings of an eternal optimist, but make no mistake, I embrace the change in either direction. It gives us something exciting to talk about, discuss, and dissect. No matter what the social climate looks like this year, next year, or in a decade, there will always be an objective reality beneath the surface of the social consciousness, just waiting for somebody to peel back the layers and discover the workings of human psychology pulling the strings. That discussion will always have a home at TRP.

On Content and the Direction of the Sub 2015

Occasionally, as the climate changes, and as we experience an influx of new members, we occasionally need to steer the ship to encourage new or different topics, or curb the over usage of older topics.

Some topics I'd like to see us focus on in the coming months include (but aren't limited to):

  • Major political and cultural events, their psychological and evolutionary underpinnings and purposes
  • Strategies for men to best reach individual goals (starting families, mgtow, spining plates, or other)
  • Discussion on LTR methods and different personality types that may be conducive to LTRs/Plate Spinning
  • Meta Anaylsis of Field Reports (covert communications taking place, motivations, breakdowns of communication)

A Reminder to all

As always, please concentrate on keeping the quality of your contributions high. The mods (as always) have been tasked with removing anything that we deem too poor for our standards without warning.

If you are going to post a submission with a field report, video, or experience, do so with an analysis of why you think these events transpired. I want to see discussion on why things are said and done. Why does a woman act the way she does? Not just a description of what she did and how you reacted, but what motivated her to act in that way? What principles were at play? Why did she think the action was advantageous to her? Why would your response counter her action? What communication took place without words or speaking?

Anything that lacks this depth will be removed. We've got enough posts telling us to "keep frame" but not a lot explaining the mechanisms behind human interaction. This is far more interesting and will help teach others not only to "keep frame" but what frame is and why it works.

And finally, the announcement:


Something I've been very interested is collecting a compilation of the geographical analysis of local sexual markets, and gaming strategies. The fact is, some game tips work better than others in different places. Some cities and states have different ratios of men to women. Some places have women easier to game, others have women looking to settle down. Still, others have women impossible to game.

I want to map out the world, country by country, state by state, city by city what the local sexual markets look like, what the best strategies are, and where the best places to go for them might be.

I'd love for everybody to join us at /r/GEOTRP to add your information, your personal experiences in certain locales, and any census information you can dig up about age groups/gender ratios that you can so we can build a comprehensive map.

And with that, this has been our new year update. I hope you all have had good holidays, and are ready to get your lives on track for 2015. This year is going to be different, so let's make it a good one.


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Title 2015, The Future and Direction of TRP, and a new announcement.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 204
Comments 103
Date 08 January 2015 10:07 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
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[–][deleted] 98 points99 points  (9 children) | Copy

Just a thought but if any user decides to post on the geoTRP sub - I'd recommend making a secondary RP account that is only used for that sub. Talking about geographical locations and describing various places you have visited/lived etc could potentially make it easier for someone to doxx you.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (8 children) | Copy

See, that's the catch...even if I post all that stuff with an alt, I'm still posting a ton of unique info to a TRP sub. There are 50 states in the U.S. and 196 countries in the world, not many people have been to the same combination of places that I have.

True, they can't see my real account...but if a rabid feminist can doxx the alt that I use for /r/GEOTRP, I don't see how that is much better. Even then, IRL my name would still have been outed as a "TRPer"

[–]1KissTheBridesmaid8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

It might be a better idea to create an alt per location that you talk about so people can't see the combination of places you have visited. Still not perfect but would definitely make it MUCH harder to doxx you.

[–]redkick1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

I'm always worrying that just my style of writing (phrases, word choice, spelling/typing errors) would be enough to correlate this account with my real one.

[–]siegristrm3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Do people really put that much effort to out others?

[–]redkick1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

There are algorithms that can do that automatically, it's not a lot of effort for the user. The hardest part is getting a connection to reddit that's fast enough so you can scrape the content needed in a reasonable time frame.

Although if you're talking about NSA level of capabilities it's completely irrelevant, because they just have to match the IP addresses.

[–]sir_wankalot_here0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

According to the papers I read, the algorithms are extremely accurate.

With some sort of crowd computing it would not be that difficult. Somewhere on the net is something that you wrote which has your real name attached to it. The algorithms work similar to hand writing comparisons. So make a database of sames of writing. Then after you get possible matches, it is detective work.

I said anywhere on the net with your name attached. This could include email servers which might have alliances with feminazi groups.

I don't really worry about it too much. Keep your nose clean and don't do illegal stuff. Watch out for people who are attempting to get you to do illegal stuff. On other social media sites I was approached by people who attempted to get me involved with illegal things. There is the possibility that they where attempting a frame job of some sort. Despite telling them repeatedly I am not interested they persisted.

Am I paranoid ? IDK to be honest.

[–]redkick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I said anywhere on the net with your name attached. This could include email servers which might have alliances with feminazi groups.

Good point. Openly accessible mailing list archives are a gold mine for this.

Am I paranoid ? IDK to be honest.

These days, the answer to this question is “not enough”.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see your point and I agree- it's not a perfect solution, or even an extremely effective one if you still end up disclosing a lot of unique information. It was simply the best suggestion I could come up with for any users that want to post/participate on that sub.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

Mandatory Paternity Testing

In my country (Switzerland) Paternity Testing is NOT ALLOWED unless you have the written consent of the mother. This opens doors to paternity fraud. "Illegal " tests are not considered by courts. I would like to kill that law.

We need a team to collect 100'000 signatures in 18 months to force governement to have a vote on the issue.


I dont think we would win the vote, 51% females and no shortage of white knights, but i think the blatant injustice of the laws would become obvious to a lot of people.

How can r/trp help to find such a team?

[–]trplurker 13 points13 points [recovered] | Copy

It's illegal in France too. The whole purpose of making it illegal is to protect women from being outed by their cuckolds and keep the same cuckolds paying the state. It's blatant sexism with the logic being, I shit you not, that if the man found out the child wasn't his he might not be willing to stick around and help raise it. Therefor it's in the child's best interests to protect the women from having her infidelity discovered.

As a man I would just demand the women get a natal paternity test otherwise I'd publicly claim the child wasn't mine. Would be the nuclear option for sure but there is nothing else you can do. Waiting until after the child's born is a bad idea as there isn't enough time to refute paternity before they start presuming it.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's win-win for all parties. Men don't count because no one gives a shit about men.

It's wise to always remember that. Playing the victim card as a man goes precisely nowhere.

[–]jcrpta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And in such countries, it would do you damn all good.

A law court can decide who the father is for legal purposes. It is under no obligation to consider who the biological father is; it can base its decision wholly and exclusively on circumstantial evidence (i.e. "She was your fiancee at the time").

[–]1cover20-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Europe is going to hell. See what's happening this week in Paris with the terrorism. I heard that Paris is now 45% Muslim (counting the children) so that city will become totally different.

It's a bit of a tangent but showing that Europe is going from very stable to very crazy. And the Muslims will want to reverse all this anti-man stuff.

Glad I live in the USA. Sucks here too in many ways, but our problems are under better control.

[–]Seishuu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're deluding yourself if you think an American is better off than a French. BTW, this 45% figure is absurd and undoubtedly false.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've actually been thinking of founding a sexist MRA party here in Germany. I don't even believe in voting and our system, but if played right, that might get a lot of media attention, resulting in a higher awareness in men.

[–]Draxlar25 points26 points  (4 children) | Copy

This has to be one of the most well run subreddits in this entire website.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed 100%.

I specially like that this isn't a democracy: the mods have a clear vision of how the sub should work and they dictate their way through that vision.

Let people run the sub and in one month we will see "how do I brush my teeth like and alpha" and "look at this subcelebrity saying mean things about men" flooding on the front page.

[–]1cover205 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, in the midst of really heavy duty trolling. The feminists and white knights have really tried hard and often to distort the message here. I appreciate the mods' putting us back on track -- and they'll have to keep doing it because I am sure the trolling will continue.

That's because we are winning. Women are becoming far less confident of the eventual betabucks. Online female behavior is actually changing already. (I don't see a lot of other female mating behavior, beyond a superficial level, because I'm an old married fart.)

[–]SageKnows0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would say AskHistorians is also very well run

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (13 children) | Copy

Just want to take the time to say thank you to everyone. I've been lurking for a few months now and this sub has really helped me. People think this sub is about oppressing women, it's not. Everyone here is just trying to better themselves. Whether you're trying to attract women, gain more confidence, spin plates, they all go hand in hand. The field reports are awesome. It's a database of real world events and you get to see how things transpire and learn from them. I hope this sub keeps growing and hope 2015 is a great year for all of us.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (12 children) | Copy

People think this sub is about oppressing women, it's not. Everyone here is just trying to better themselves.

That's what our detractors don't understand. TRP is about leveling the playing field between men and women. We are the ones trying to "equal" things out. The problem is, women have had the playing field tilted in their favor for so long, they think the tilted playing field is the new "level". In their view, any attempt to elevate men automatically means a degradation of women.

[–]jcrpta4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's what our detractors don't understand. TRP is about leveling the playing field between men and women.

They don't understand it purely and simply because the female mentality explicitly works against it - the feminist imperative only works if women can be portrayed as "oppressed but we're making positive changes!"; it follows that any attempt to shift the balance is making women more oppressed.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

For what it's worth, this is a clever argumentation tactic that women/feminists employ. Some of them are fully aware of the nature of their favour, but in accusing you of playing unfair you are put on the defensive about why your actions are necessary.

The first person to throw a punch is the first person who might win the fight.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy

Whoa whoa, are you talking about women? You must be a sexist /s

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy

Discussing "women" at all, is sexist, yes. You're singling out one of the genders and talking about them as if they are different. You're supposed to treat women as human beings, not as women, because that is gender stereotyping.

Analyzing a woman's sexuality is even worse, because you are treating her as if she is an animal to be studied. Or perhaps you are analyzing her as a means to an end--sex. That is offensive.

As was mentioned above, "women" only exist insofar as people enforce gender roles which are not biologically inherent.

We're a 21st century progressive, tolerant society now. Every human being is a Lockean blank slate at birth. Genetic predisposition is a poor excuse for human behavior. Social conditioning is the determinant of human behavior.

Human beings exhibit very little sexual dimorphism. Discussion of binary genders, manifesting into social organizations and cultural practices throughout history has been the primary cause for the oppression of women for the benefit of men.

That's what our detractors don't understand. TRP is about leveling the playing field between men and women. We are the ones trying to "equal" things out. The problem is, women have had the playing field tilted in their favor for so long, they think the tilted playing field is the new "level". In their view, any attempt to elevate men automatically means a degradation of women.

It doesn't matter what you say, they will never see it that way. You are manosphere misogynists.

You talk way too much about sex and women, therefore you objectify women as sex objects, as means to an end. You see women not as human beings, but as a gender. True Love isn't about sex, it's about accepting another person for their flaws and their humanity and surrendering yourself to other individual.

And frankly, analyzing sex so much like this is sad and disgusting. We aren't barbarian cavemen anymore. There are more important things than sex. Just become a loving and accepting human being and the world will be a better place. Sex will happen, and if it doesn't, that's okay too.

They do not see women as having the field tilted in their favor. They will cite a list of current women's issues. They will cite a list of past women's issues (doesn't matter if women do not currently experience it). And even if women are receiving benefits at the expense of men, women have been oppressed throughout our entire history, so now men must pay for it.

In fact doing anything except being a fucking stomped on piece of trash bottom-feeding pussy faggot fuck is inherently evil.

Manipulating people is wrong.

Life isn't a game.

Biology doesn't exist.

Barbell exercises are offensive at Planet Fitness.

Human beings are fucking animals. We're fucking animals, and I've embraced my animal. If you're too much of a fucking pussy to accept that, then fuck you and fuck off and stop bringing other people down to your pathetic level you fucking condescending ignorant coward. Stop bringing other people down just because you hate your life. Get the fuck outta my sight and die alone and unhappy and unfulfilled in that meaningless shithole you call your life.

Excuse my rant. /u/dLuR triggered me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm not sure if this is directed at someone else or you missed the "/s" at the end of my post...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nah, I was just ranting in general, it's not directed at you. I was sort of continuing your sarcasm but then I branched off chaotically.

Ignore it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I admire the passion though!

[–]jcrpta1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Manipulating people is wrong.

You see, back when I was BP I so thoroughly believed this I refused to participate in anything that might be interpreted as manipulative.

I was running my own business at the time; it's since failed. Draw your own conclusions.

I digress.

"Manipulative" on the face of it means "persuading people to do things they might not otherwise do". Which sounds really nasty to a bluepiller until you realise that it's a huge portion of how humans interact. Virtually all social interaction is all about manipulation on one scale or another. And if you are BP, you yourself have been manipulated by girlfriends, friends and society at large.

RP ideology is about refusing to be manipulated. If this refusal has consequences (such as inadvertently manipulating others), so be it.

[–]DuskVision5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Credibility is an important aspect of this community that I'd like to speak on.

A recent post made an assertion that "85% of Women have a Plan B [Back-up man,]". The post is believable but with what could have been a great intellectual discussion of the topic was instead just a claim because the submitter lacked a link to the study. In other scientific based subreddits it's "Source or gtfo" for the sake of the community's integrity. So why doesn't The Red Pill, a safe haven of objective truth in a convoluted social climate, demand the same for it's study based posts?

A simple side bar ruling and mod-backing on our scientific based posts would be more then sufficient for maintaining the credibility and culture of this community.

[–]RojoEscarlata0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

85% of Women have a Plan B

All women have a plan B, the thing is some just don't know it yet.

EP dictates they lack of allegiance to anyone but they and their children. Is a survival strategy that worked for them for hundreds of thousands of years, and is one of the key aspects of hypergamy.

[–]DuskVision0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My point was not I disagreed, my contention was that we should mandate sources to provide a culture of objective truth not of rumors and circular logic.

[–]Mucl15 points16 points  (20 children) | Copy

mandatory paternity testing.

Crack cocaine will become over the counter before that happens unfortunately. Think of the social and political shitstorm. No politician would touch that with a 100 foot pole.

[–]ROIVeritas10 points11 points  (16 children) | Copy

Due to fear of losing the female votes?

[–]Mucl0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy

Losing everyone's votes. Laws are for the public interest and society interest not personal interest, and they shouldn't be unless it's securing rights not taking away.

What are the statics? 1 in 25 guys raises a kid that isn't his. Good, do you want to break apart 10's of thousands of households and tie up the courts or do you want a kid raised by his mom and "dad". What's better for society?

Do you want to tell those other 24 girls "hey, we need to run some tests just in case"?

Mandatory paternity testing, might as well make a mandatory teeth brushing law.

[–]H42 8 points8 points [recovered] | Copy

Stats are closer to 1 in 10 for raising a kid that's not his.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

Do you have a source? Blame feminists, but I get a little suspicious when I hear

this terrible thing happens to one in (a nice round number)

[–]H42 8 points8 points [recovered] | Copy


This article says men who are supicious and DNA test, are cuckholded 30% of time. If a random sample is tested 3.85% are cuck'd.

The google search I did returned a whole lot of articles on the subject. DYOD.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

So they're closer to 1 in 30...

[–]H42 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy

3.85% is closer to 1 in 25 than 1 in 30. Its 1 in 25.974

Do we add France into the mix to change those stats, because its illegal to paternity test, and the cuck'd husband is just plain fucked?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Okay. To quote that and then say "it's more like one in ten" is just fucking stupid though.

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[–]Kill_Your_Ego-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have posted the source for 1 in 10 many times. Go do your own research.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have posted the source for 1 in 10 many times. Go do your own research.

Ducky for you. But if someone's going to make a statistical claim, they should be prepared to source it. Simple concept.

And considering that I wasn't asking you, why do you care?

[–]Pornography_saves_li4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

By your logic, all those security measures in hospital maternity wards and such are a colossal waste of money. After all, as long as the baby is the right sex and color, what difference does it make if mommy takes home someone else's kid. She has a baby after all, who cares if it's actually hers....amirite?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Actually what he's saying makes sense to me. What you're saying makes absolutely no sense because we have those already, theyre called adoption centres.

[–]Pornography_saves_li0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Adoption centers ensure paternity? Since when? Seriously, this is what makes sense to you?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry, I shouldn't have brought that up because I don't really care about the arguments analogies or the semantics but I agree with his original point, because of a few bad apples the state shouldn't have to interfere and therefore everyone suffers, however if the dude requests one I don't think he should be jumping through hoops to get it either.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

If there were actual consequences for cuckolding another man perhaps it wouldn't happen 10% of the time. Right now? Right now we have 10% of men raising a child that isn't their own.

[–]1independentmale3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's ok. We'll get there on our own, eventually, as men begin to wise up and take these women off their pedestals.

I already have the benefit of mandatory paternity testing (self imposed, I won't sign a birth certificate nor accept any responsibility for the child without proof). Others will follow. When a man swallows trp, he begins to understand the incredible power he holds - and that he's had it the whole fucking time. That realization blooms into an unstoppable force of a man. A man who sets boundaries. A man who knows what he wants and doesn't mince words. A man who cannot and will not be fucked with.

The fact of the matter is, it's entirely reasonable for a man to demand a paternity test. This is not an issue of trust, just simple practicality. If he is being asked to devote the rest of his life and potentially millions of dollars on this child, proof of paternity is warranted. This is not complicated. You wouldn't buy a car or a house without proof of ownership (title, deed). You wouldn't pay a bill collector without proof the debt is yours. Why would you raise a child without it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

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[–]Senior ContributorRedPope13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

I've posted this 4 or 5 times now. No one gives a damn about men. Not even us. Some guy posts about getting divorce raped? Expect a dozen responses saying: "Sucks bro, but your fault for getting married."

Boys' Rights are a different story. The public will listen. Both men and women. All but the most militant feminists will support such a movement. Changes in school programs reducing physical activity. Policies that discourage and penalize masculine play. Disparity in grading processes. Lack of male teachers and role models. Unequal prosecution and sentencing in statutory rape cases when perpetrator is a woman. And most severe: the over-medication of juvenile boys. Treating testosterone as a medical illness.

Boys' Rights is a spear point. Get the public talking about how society is hurting boys, win their support, enact some change, and then you can begin introducing issues facing college men. Decline in male enrollment. Kangaroo courts on campus. More grading disparity. Etc.

If any of you are considering activism, forget MRA and focus on Boys' Rights. Any wannabe pundits looking for a cause to champion? The pendulum is swinging, the time has come, there is an audience ready to listen.

[–]Antibuddy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This cannot be overstated enough. I wish I had a better way to emphasize how spot-on every line you wrote is. Not only are Boy's Rights actually passable in the media, but they are the most logical place to make a real change for men of the future. Someone commented on my last thread, "BP men aren't born, they are made," and that is true. But they aren't trained in high school or college. They are trained from boyhood. All those lies later culminate after adolescence when they go to court women and interact with society on an adult level, finding that something is terribly amiss but they just can't put their fingers on it.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Very smart idea.

Women care most about their children, more than anything in life. If they have boys, they care about boys. So you'll get a lot of female support and no strong female opposition to a push for boys' rights. Mothers of only girls won't want to punish all the boys because they want some boys to be successful and eligible to be husbands for their daughters.

It's not misandric at all, but the women can't help it. They are wired to care so much about their children.

[–]1independentmale14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

Again, not that I fully support this sub ....

Please stop saying this. Nobody cares. Either you have something good to say or you don't. In this case, you did - boys education is a huge issue - but your need to qualify yourself tainted the message in my mind.

I don't think anyone supports everything that everyone in any sub says. Very few really drink the proverbial kool-aid of any major social movement in its entirety. We all take bits and pieces to identify with.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

  1. Just protecting myself if serious heat gets turned on for this sub.

  2. An there ARE logical contradictions in TRP that one just can't blindly accept wholeheartedly. This is not a belief system; not a religion; not a way of life. Just a group of loosely coupled theories is all. And no wonder there are obvious friction points.

  3. Sheesh ... didn't realize I could offend so the sensibilities and feeeelings of TRP readers. Let it roll off your shoulder dude. Just like this sub - take the good you can use and leave the crap that doesn't pertain to you.

  4. Keep in mind : I'm suggesting a catch all overbearing issue .. for a sub I don't even support. A bit pretentious no?

[–]justtookit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think you should delete this comment. There was no point in the parent comment to which you should be responding. You are justifying yourself like a frazzled hen and using the manipulative tactics we are here to learn to see past.

This does not contribute to any discussion.

Rarely does the downvote popup apply so well to a comment: "Still plugged in"

[–]2RedPillSafe4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

  • Second Observation About This Forum:

I'm noticing that we are getting less of the Dark Triad perspective and more of a "pop culture" sensibility where the quest is more about happiness. Happiness is like flattery... something you should be careful to manage.

Are others seeing this?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Contribute what you want to see.

[–]2RedPillSafe1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I do.

What I notice is that themes have a way of flowing through the forum.

For a time the Dark Triad's were very well represented. The idea of chaos was important. Amorality.

Then you get waves of new people that bring in the more conventional "happy" pop culture attitudes and the upvoting / downvoted patterns get skewed. I'm sort of extrapolating from dozens of threads I've been involved with lately.

It's probably a reality of growth.

Red Pill is becoming so popular it's becoming "cool".

[–]Risky_Clicks_NSFW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any strategy that the outcome is desired to be successful, is going to be Amoral. This is quite structured, logical and predictable. I would go so far as to say Rational.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's up to you to be the change you want to see.

[–]2RedPillSafe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also, it's Friday and people tend to get more excited because most of the approaching gets done on the weekends.

I've found that you get a very different crowd and feel from day to day with certain themes rising and falling.

Will be interesting to continue to watch this explosive growth and where things go.

If you don't like things one day you can come back other and get a different theme.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks again for the great moderation in this sub. I can't even begin to imagine how much crap you guys have to deal with. This sub has fewer idiots than other similar-sized subs and I'm sure it is because you're giving them the big boot.

Hard to believe we're over 91k subscribers - at this rate we're going to overtake the MensRights sub which has been around for over 5 years.

Looking forward to more eye-opening discussions in 2014.

Edit: 2015 dammit. It's happening already.

[–]2RedPillSafe10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

It will be interesting to see how well received the political and cultural elements are to the forum.

Those are areas normally classified as Neoreactionary. (discouraged in the past)

My observation is that around the world we seem to be crossing some kind of tipping point just in the last year or two where some long repressed ideas are getting attention.

The Misandry Bubble may not last too much longer. (some optimism is emerging)

[–]NaughtyFred12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'd say the Misandry Bubble can only last as long as there are a legion of plugged-in guys willing to support it and play along.

If they wise up that bubble will burst

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

And there will always be those guys, no doubt about it.

Yeah, a lot's going to have to change in our social climate for the Bubble to burst. In many ways, 2015 will be like other years, I'm sure - women will do crazy shit, other women will go up to bat for Team Pussy because I guess that's just in their programming, white knights will go to bat for Team Pussy because that's what they want to get, and then the few unplugged folks will wisely keep their mouths shut lest they get devoured by the volunteer thought police hoards.

But it is completely possible that Icarus will fly too close to the sun. 2014 had some truly indefensible feminist insanity. We had GamerGate revealing just how many SJWs there are out there and how hateful they can be. We her ShirtStorm revealing just how little it takes to set angry feminists off. We had UVA revealing that sometimes maybe, just maaaaybe, when a women reports being the victim of a sensationalized Satanic rape ritual, she could be telling less than the complete truth.

If we can get just a little more of these feminist fails on the public record, maybe we can have a national conversation about whether or not feminism is truly a necessary part of Western society.

[–]LewisSkolnick4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Volunteer thought police hoards"

That's my new fantasy baseball team name!

[–]ChaoticParadox2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lots of men are wise to the misandry bubble, they just don't know how to speak up about it. They are scared they are alone in their thoughts. Just talk to young men and boys about what they think of women and girls and you're likely to hear them mention how messed up society is without you even having to lead them to say it. Young girls know something is wrong, too.

This is the age of information after all. Children are exposed to all forms of media very very early on today compared to pre-internet times. Combine that with an overall entertainment industry which has become steadily more permissive to the point of the bar touching the floor, and you have the hell we live in today.

If you thought last year was crazy, well, this year will be insane.

[–]1iluminatiNYC4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm curious to see what happens with the LTR thing. Not everyone is built to spin plates forever. Plus, as someone with a child, I do want someone there for her that I can count on down the line. I hope that this becomes something that this subreddit can build on as time marches on.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nothing happens with the LTR thing because you and so many others think TRP is exclusively spinning plates til you die of old age.

Plate spinning is the physical manifestation of outcome independence and dread for a "somewhat" single man.

TRP is a framework that describes gender dynamics, particularly in regards to attraction. The concepts of plate spinning, dread, outcome independence don't change if you're in an LTR. The physical manifestation (evidence) does.

TL;DR TRP is not antithetical to LTRs, it ensures better odds of their success. Stop getting hung up on never get married and spin plates.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I find this method to be helpful when discussing social findings.

Action > Rationale > Result.

That is as objective as a user submission can get. Leave it up to the community to discuss the findings.

[–]Antibuddy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent state of the subreddit post.

I think I need to post up a glaring red light that I see shining brightly in the distance, though. It's great for the RPW mindset to catch on, but if marriage law doesn't, we're even more fucked than when we started. At least for anyone who wants to marry and do the family thing.

I think it's fair to say that RPW will be more likely to focus less on career, thus making less money than the man. When the wife makes less money than the husband, you're just asking for a large alimony payout on divorce. That's the necessary feature of divorce cases that gets multiplied exponentially by the lady-bias of the courts. But if that doesn't exist, lady-bias can't touch it. So be careful with this. You may want very badly to take care of a woman who appreciates what you do for her, and she may be 100% genuine in her appreciation, but with the marriage climate the way it is, you're living with a cocked gun next to your head the entire time hoping the trigger won't be pulled.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm surprised TRP has followed Gamergate. Regardless of your opinion on video games, it's important to note the cultural phenomenons that are occurring within.

[–]brotherjustincrowe2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's hard to find a more black and white pro/anti free speech debate than GG.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]brotherjustincrowe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The anti crowd are, in essence, led by a militant SJW group who want the power to shut anything down by fiat if they scream MISOGYNY!!!! loud enough.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's the same man-hating feminists that plague the world with their rape culture fearmongering that also are anti-gg. The ones that object to men being men... and the perpetual patriarchial oppression etc. Same group of people so yeah TRP should be pro-gg.

[–]devlindigital1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post. The consistent pragmatism by TRP mods makes change and growth go down so much easier.

Additionally, I would love to see suicide rate for men decrease as a result of these shared ideals. The saddest thing I have witnessed in my life is the utter destruction of a man's very being by external forces when the only force he needed to actualize was internal.

Press on my fellow TRPers. The beauty of the path is that it has no end.

[–]CrazyLeprechaun1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What subs have banned reference to TRP?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Askreddit, askwomen, and I think maybe askmen, but I'm not sure on that one.

Automoderator will delete references on sight.

[–]Danedina1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have a few comments about the different subs. My main point is that there needs to be a better harmony between TRP and AskTRP. TRP is for presenting knowledge, while AskTRP is for asking for advice. The problem is that very few RPers venture over to AskTRP, so few posters get more advanced questions answered. Second, the AskTRP doesn't have the stress on reading the sidebar, so almost all the questions become complete noobery, like "I talked to this girl at a party at 3 in the morning and we made a real connection. I texted her five times a day and made her LOL, but then she flaked on her date. Do I still have a chance with her?"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm looking forward to the year ahead in the manosphere.

Many of the desired topics of discussion involved succesfull LTR's and I feel like it's worth pointing out as I often do that in the realm of relationships there is only one safe bet in the statistics of the girl you want to be with and that is her chastity.

http://www.focusonthefamily.com/about_us/focus-findings/marriage/premarital-sex-and-divorce.aspx There are more studies out there even one from the last year I believe I just don't have the URLs. The messenger is a far right pro-family group but the stats have been done across decades and the globe and they agree: 1 sexual partner outside of marriage is ruinous to marital success for women. A virgin has a rate of 11% marital disillusionment (sometimes lower) but a woman who has slept with or shacked up with one man before her husband is at 48%; each consecutive partner ups the rate of future marital disillusionment between 2-6%.

Here is an overlay of Teachman's data onto heritage study tables with some extra explanation: http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2010/09/sexual-partner-divorce-risk.html

My definition of successful LTR is a life bond with love, shared wealth and children; I wont push marriage but It's inseparable from a solid LTR 99% of the time, which is why we want divorce reform.

If you share my definition of Successful LTR and you aren't with a girl who's virginity you took and has only ever been with you or is still a virgin your odds are worse than someone playing Russian Roulette; you will fail half the time. If your girl has fucked 10 other guys you have less than a 30% chance of staying married for more than ten years, at what even I used to consider a reasonable number like 3 you still have less than a 40% chance of your marriage lasting 10 years. There is a relationship for men but it is lower and the number escalates less severely, mostly knowing why you should be picking a virgin over a non-virgin for an LTR is what makes the male number work. If it's true that emotional investment is the male equivalent to physical investment of females then the thing that ruins a man's capacity for good marriage would be failed serious (very, very serious) relationships.

My advice for the socially conscious men of TRP is to feel free fucking females that have fucked other people, but only fuck a virgin if you are going to marry it, and only marry a virgin.

You can't turn a whore into a house wife.

[–]armenia4ever3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Neither can you find a wife in a brothel - arguably todays carousel. There are good woman out there. They won't be in bars, nightclubs, ect and they usually won't have given it away.

[–]Mire_Lurker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That travel board could provide users with some excellent datasheets for nice places.

[–]mateodeloso0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A worthwhile talking point is discussion of positive masculinity and how to be that man in the modern social climate.

[–]truchisoft0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Great summary, thank you!

I don't like the first point about discussing politics/culture, I have several reasons why.

  • /r/TheRedPill is international, and politics are regional, a lot of content will be interesting to a partial amount of us. What if I want to discuss politics/cultural events in Argentina? I can keep posting about it and no one would give 2 cents...
  • Why should we care about politics? We should care about ourselves only, politic discussion should be in /r/DarkEnlightment
  • I see it easy to abuse, is the fact that the girl that posed with Justin Bieber received death threats a political/cultural event? It is, it is also related to Male/Female interaction, but we could care less.
  • It also means every stupid post about current affairs is green to go...
  • Culture discussion is 99% of the time gossip, how are we going to control that?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Culture and politics are the landscape and environment in which we live. They cannot be ignored.

[–]truchisoft0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

But culture depends on the location! I would rather discuss culture in TRPOfftopic or the new /r/GEOTRP

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There are plenty of cultures that span countries/continents/groups of countries.

[–]1neveragoodtime0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TRP is more focused on equality than the current wave of feminism. While there is a common theme of, "Fuck it, maximize personal happiness while we enjoy the decline," we can have a roll affecting social change. We are not a movement, but sometimes, looking out for the other guy may just save your butt. Two specific examples, ending divorce rape policies and punishing false rape allegations. TRP advice is Never Get Married, but some of us make mistakes and that could include you someday. Let's agree to end predatory divorce. Other than MGTOW, we are all held hostage to false rape claims. No matter how alpha you are, how many times you get consent, recordings, or signed sex contracts, a false rape claim could affect any one of us. We need to make sure men's freedom and security is protected by enforcing women's honesty and accountability. Happy 2015, and congrats to TRP. I know it's helped pull me out of a mess, and I continue to learn from it.

[–]Bortasz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Since everybody are so serious I will post something funny to destroy the mud.

Nothing more. Continue good work!

[–]e_n_t_r_0_p_y0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am a bit late to party but my 2c.

I am encouraged by the direction that the mods are taking with the sub. I especially like the desire for more structured/useful field reports. I have expressed it previously but I think a template should be offered for certain post types such as field reports or theories. It would aid communication and facilitate archiving of quality FRs etc.

Another idea I had was a new subreddit dedicated to self improvement from a RP perspective.

[–]ECoast_Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And to another prosperous year.

Love the comment on the reactionary movement of women reclaiming feminine activities because feminism is now 'mainstream'.


[–]1edwardhwhite-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Male primacy courtship can only be earned.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Earned like male respect. More by things like dread game (influence through the "laws of physics" governing female attraction) than hard work and contributions (beta appeasement.)

There's nothing to earn actually. You are properly in charge. If a bitch doesn't want that, next.

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