There is no "league"

GaiusScaevolus · 2015-12-02T17:17:10+00:00

This would be a good post on TRP (with formatting), but I don't see what it's doing on PPD. Is it a CMV? Debate? Discuss?

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2015-12-02T17:06:51+00:00

women like the idea of leagues because it fits in with their static view of social hierarchy. It allows them to simultaneously ignore men below them while rationalizing their own hypergamy. Men hate the concept because the guy with balls is going to easily punch above his "league."

ThorLives · 2015-12-02T20:04:53+00:00

Exactly. Just like the reason you aren't playing the NFL is because you don't believe you can play in the NFL. All of this crap about "not big enough" or "not fast enough" is just excuse-making. If you just believed in yourself, you can do anything you want.

Carkudo · 2015-12-02T19:00:26+00:00

So, there are no leagues because there are no leagues, or there are no leagues because admitting that there are leagues is potentially dangerous? Because you're making a decent, if completely bland, typical and unimaginative, case for the latter, but not for the former.

Xemnas81 · 2015-12-02T17:01:46+00:00

even if there was, its best you pretend there isn't. Because believing in stupid things like leagues will only hurt your game in the long run. For both men and women.

This is the correct answer.

After acknowledging hypergamy, you must act like you operate beyond its restrictions.

LUClEN · 2015-12-02T19:52:20+00:00

So you've never had someone try to get at you who you knew wasn't on your level?

wtknight · 2015-12-02T19:00:48+00:00

There are definitely "leagues," and they are mostly based upon physical appearance, although things like intelligence and sense of humor weigh in a bit. However, sometimes someone out of their league can be successful with somebody of a higher league if that guy is really on his game and the match up is right. It's like European football cup matches when a lower division team plays a higher division team, sometimes that lower division team will win, but most of the time that team loses. The only way you'll ever know if you'll win or not is to play the game, though. There's no sense in not even trying just because you think somebody is out of your league.

dragoness_leclerq · 2015-12-02T19:21:21+00:00

It's one thing to say that one shouldn't get too caught up in the idea of leagues because yeah, you do reach a point where you're putting certain people on pedestals. However, operating under the assumption that leagues simply don't exist is fairly dangerous and can potentially lead to a lot of wasted time and effort, not to mention rejection.

Not ~believing~ in leagues and constantly trying to punch above your weight is one of the surest ways to find yourself bitter, jaded and alone at the end of the day.

Quite frankly, IMO it actually tends to simply lead to even more pedestalizing of certain people as one might find themselves going out of their way to "prove" that they don't exist or matter by locking down a person who is, by societal standards, obviously much more attractive than them.

Do people hook up with, marry and date less attractive people? Sure. The real question is, by how much do they surpass their partner in looks, because I don't too frequently see men or women with dramatically more or less attractive mates.

wub1234 · 2015-12-02T18:27:21+00:00

I agree that it's logical and beneficial to assume that leagues don't exist, even though it flies in the face of all available evidence.

OfSpock · 2015-12-02T20:56:05+00:00

Leagues are a thing. The problem men have is that they can't judge the attractiveness of other men very well. How often do you hear men asking what women see in a particular celebrity.

BiggerDthanYou · 2015-12-03T13:13:39+00:00

Some women genuinely like nerds. Some genuinely don't like big ass muscles. Some like the skinny skater boys. Some like chubby guys.

These are all different leagues.

I guess the mistake guys make is thinking that there is only one league, which is the 1-10 rating scale.

When the hot blonde bimbo asks you why you are even talking to her and tells you to date in your league she is correct in implying that you aren't in her league.

She spends hours in the gym, shopping center and in front of her mirror, because she places a high value on looks. If a greasy chubby nerd now talks to her it's obvious that he doesn't care about his looks as much and thus is a too different person.

Those that like nerdy guys are usually nerdy girls themselves. Those that don't like big ass muscles dress way less slutty than those that do and those that like skinny skater boys dress in a similar way as them.

People usually dress in a way that attracts similar people.

Why do you think Chad succeeds?

Because he dates in the same league. He wouldn't have success with the girls that like skater boys or nerds. He has success with the female equivalent of chads.

Chads often try to hit on other types of girls, but they have different tastes and thus aren't attracted to his looks and behaviour.

[deleted] · 2015-12-02T17:35:48+00:00

Eh they are real but I agree it's not something you should think about too much. I've been with girls way hotter than me, couldn't do that if I didn't bother going after them because I was worried about being out of their league or whatever.

mc0079 · 2015-12-02T18:51:25+00:00

It's possible to win swinging for the fences but you're much more likely to get brutal rejections, ljbf, etc. Why should I waste my time further over inflating a 9's self worth when I get a better net doing self improvement while simultaneously going after easier girls? Basic min maxing.

Leagues don't work because of hypergamy, 5/10 women don't go for 5/10 men, they still go for 7+. Chad succeeds because he understands this hierarchy like the back of his hand and walks around confident as fuck because he knows he's the top dawg, although he will never tell you this if he has any tact.

redmachines · 2015-12-02T20:46:56+00:00

Chad succeeds because he is physically attractive. The positive feedback that gets from women throughout his life eventually creates an extremely low inhibition which is why he never thinks about leagues even when it exists.

[deleted] · 2015-12-02T21:05:28+00:00

This is all great stuff.

ee4m · 2015-12-02T21:30:09+00:00

I read bit of a book, it was historical.

The author outlines how women arranged the dating scene when dating started on american campus.

They arranged men in to leagues.

It was pretty much as red pillers describe things.

They called the chad the BOC (big man on campus) - the requirement was money, looks, confidence, a car etc.

Transmigratory · 2015-12-02T21:32:06+00:00

I get the notion. Though unless you have some super qualities (which raises your league ranking btw) there will be some level of looks emphasis.

For guys, looks don't matter but they matter. You can't be a neck beard, obese man and expect to have women gravitating to you naturally. As a lot of men have found this seems to happen when they have certain looks, almost like a pre-filter. Having other amazing qualities helps.

Looks don't matter in that you can still make yourself decent if biology didn't give you what's being marketed as the prized package. Looks do matter in that you'll have to aim to bring out your best looks with what you have along with your personality.

[deleted] · 2015-12-02T21:48:18+00:00

If any movie or TV show staring Kevin James has taught me anything, then leagues exist but aren't binding.

[deleted] · 2015-12-02T22:16:22+00:00

I like Mansons take on the topic at best. Look at is either 1 or 0. Either you find each other attractive or you don't. That's all there is to it and any other rationalization will just complicate things.

[deleted] · 2015-12-02T22:42:12+00:00

The world would be so boring if everybody stuck with their League™.

[deleted] · 2015-12-03T03:57:02+00:00

I think there is such a thing as "s/he's your type", or you have "natural chemistry".

smokecheck1976 · 2015-12-03T06:51:35+00:00

Look at it this way...if your only goal is set to always getting the girl into your bed, there is a 99% possibility that you will fail. If you are willing to accept other outcomes, there is a whole world of other possibilities. However, if you are goal dependent then the entire interaction is just another source of frustration that ignores the truth. The truth is that you can do everything right and still not end up with what you set out wanting.

As long as you maintain yourself well and work on having some interests and hobbies, then there are women that are groupies for just about everything.

AmericanHistoryAFBB · 2015-12-02T21:00:17+00:00

What women find attractive is entirely based on cultural fads. These were considered some of the most attractive men alive 60 years ago: http://staticmagazine.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2D11408853-today-beatles-140123.jpg

This obsession with lifting that PUAs insist will raise your SMVBBQ is based more on what homosexual men find attractive than what women find attractive.

ThorLives · 2015-12-02T17:06:53+00:00

Agree. I mean, I see hotties dating ugly people all the time.

mc0079 · 2015-12-02T19:11:49+00:00

I agree.

Title	There is no "league"
Author	AmericanHistoryAFBB
Upvotes	10
Comments	69
Date	December 2, 2015 4:59 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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