This thread is meant as a general topic about investment (emotional, time, money, etc) in women and relevant theory analysis behind it. Here's my take on it

Earlier today I saw this tinder chat failure screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/oel1deW.jpg[1]

After looking at it, I had the realization that some men won't see this as a chat fail, and some men will know it's a lost opportunity but don't yet understand one big element of why.

This guy is running his game on her. This is his game. He thinks he will get the girl by wearing his white armor and playing this classic tactic. I have news that it's not so rare. She's probably seen it before, and most likely from a very beta guy, whereas this guy in the chat could just be slipping up for a month or two, but he would be thrown in the beta category in her mind.

He's already investing a lot into her. Why do that? He's showing all his cards. She already knows he likes her (possibly for more than a quick fuck). And he's throwing the ball completely in her court.

I can tell you that men that I know who bed the most women are very selective in who they bed. They have enough girls to the point that it's a problem in their schedule. I also found that when I was on my lifetime high streak I was very selective as well. It's like being in a gelato/icecream place, they're all good, but you have your preferences and you only have enough room for 3-5.

This means that every girl is on the chopping block and they get dropped often because of the new coming in. It's like Game of Thrones. You never know who's going to die, and all the girls are trying to stay alive. Add preselection to the equation and girls are seeing other girls literally falling over themselves for you. You get the Hollywood effect. It's perfectly normal for every woman to like Leonardo Di Caprio. With so many girls liking you, it becomes normal to like you. I've seen this in action in extended social circles.

A man like that, his value is high. The tides even turn a bit and now girls are chasing him. They will invest in him without him doing anything. She'll text him, she'll ask to go out, she'll start cute talking, she'll say goodmorning/goodnight.

You can't be that man while also investing a lot into every woman you meet. A great analogy would be you being a client manager or a business owner and investing way too much time and effort into every small or low profit client. You're screwing yourself because you're minimizing your potential profits, you could be investing your time into a bigger client that will generate more revenue for you. By definition you would not be a good client manager / focused business owner. And in the world of women, they will see you as a non-abundant man, "why is he investing so much into me?".

Women have seen so much from men that they see through a lot of who you are as a person. They've been around men their whole lives. The same way we can tell a slut from a dating material girl, they can tell that you are career focused, or driven, or trustworthy, or one night stand fuckable.

So why throw the ball in her court? Hold your investment, let her earn it. Push, pull. Don't text her on time every on every message. Why should you. You're probably busy doing something good. So you lose a few doing this. But you gain a few that go into your frame. There's less drama, they like you more, sex is better, you don't have to try hard for shit. I remember a thread on trp where one guy said all he has to do is text his girl to come over and fuck him. No drama, she comes over, fucks well, completely in his frame. Is that not better than having to strive for a girl?

Assuming the girl wouldn't be a chat bot, she's done nothing for him and he shows that he likes her quite a bit. When did she throw that out there that she likes him? A lot of the time, tinder matches don't lead to sex. She hasn't promised anything to him, texted him twice. Where's the challenge in that. She's not going to feel like she's getting a prize. Who remembers that line from old pua game "don't touch the merchandise"? There's a reason that it works. It's a bit of push/pull and challenge. Fuck her, she will touch you when you allow it in your frame, not hers. You become the captain. You're not just going to give it to her.

Assuming the girl wouldn't be a chat bot, the conversation from the screenshot I originally linked goes from "Hello" to "hello" to "Essay". Did she write you an essay? No. So why would you get her to write one? If you've seen successful tinder scripts, look at what they do, they make the girl invest in the man.

http://redditlog.com/snapshots/1463829[2]

That is an example of a tinder script. Show me one point where the guy drops an entire essay on someone. He sends small texts, she doesn't have to judge his character or anything deep like that. It's very simple for her, she just has to talk to him as he gives her opportunities to like him. Then he gives her the close line and she either wants to go out with him or not. He didn't promise her anything or invest anything in her other than a corny pick up line that she thinks he knows off the top of his head and a copy paste funny message. In the 6/8 of part 3 he is actively getting her to invest in him. Everything is still on the table for when they meetup. She doesn't know what's going to happen, it's interesting and fun for her.

Investment is a subtle nuance that is present in all interactions and I think it has a huge influence on your game, which is why it's important to understand it and use it properly.

Think about the female imperative, nice guys, and you begin to see that a huge mistake that men make is to invest into a girl. The female imperative parrots that this is a good thing to do. The lack of pussy for nice guys shows otherwise.