Realistic blue to red timeline? Would like to hear personal stories...

Nofappin2015 · 2015-01-12T15:47:55+00:00

I've been working on it for more than 2 years now, and I can tell you my notes:

It took about a year for me to get my shit completely straightened out (started when I was 26). The first 6 months were complete monk mode - I wasn't going after women at all, and I'd turn down any opportunities to get with a woman. I was nofapping, porn-free, working out 5-6 days/week, and my diet was completely clean... and I mean completely clean. Once I was fully purged and had lost 30 pounds + gained muscle, I started working on my style. I bought a new wardrobe, got fashion advice from people who knew, etc. That took care of my outer look, but it took another 6 months to break my old beta habits. It was a grind, but after working and working on it, I'm now at a very good place.

Today, to the outside world and anyone who knows me, they know exactly who I am: A fit, successful, alpha male who's bedded a lot of women over the last year. The fact that I've slept with so many women just makes more women flock to me, which is one of the big points I struggled to accept as I was learning this stuff. I struggled with it all, and I'm still a work in progress, but to the outside world, I'm a complete package.

However, as you said, internally... That's a slightly different story. I still feel these beta thoughts creeping through my mind sometimes. I still get the urge to text girls back with long, emotion-filled rants. I still get the temptation to break frame when a girl is shit testing me.

I still fail at being the perfect RP man all the time... But it's getting less and less. I went 26 years believing the complete bullshit that society and chick flicks taught me, so it's hard to completely stamp out those thoughts... But to answer your question, I definitely feel MORE red than blue after 2 years. However, it was a very long road filled with a lot of work mentally and physically.

deadally · 2015-01-12T16:00:59+00:00

I would consider an adjustment in your goals. Rather than "becoming red pill," which you may come to find is not amenable to you over the long term, I would focus simply on developing yourself, and let that be the focus. Yes, red pill is, at its core, supposed to be all about self improvement, but you'll get a lot of noise that can stymie your progress.

Consider your stated "externals." Make more money, dress better, and develop a physique. These are not as external as you think.

1) Make more money: Requires enhancing your education, developing a strong internal motor, and boosting your people skills. All of these things contribute to your mental discipline and confidence, should you succeed.

2) Dress better: Requires a more fundamental understanding of fashion and what looks good on YOU. Better dressing enhances confidence, which can help people gravitate your way. Feeds making more money, as well. Look the part, and people will naturally assume you are the part.

3) Physique: Depending on where you're starting from, it requires all kinds of discipline (read: years of work in the gym and eating right) and mental focus. Not to mention physical and mental fortitude. If you can get the body you want in the gym, I don't see how you can't apply those lessons to everything else in your life. My ability to say "This burns, but I can go 10 more seconds. I can get 2 more reps" directly correlates with my ability to say "This part of my job sucks. Ok, let's do this."

So you develop those self improvement traits, and what happens? You'll have an abundance mentality because you're confident and know you're willing to put the work in. Same with dominance and assertion and not taking shit from ANYONE (within reason), not just women.

I would suggest that you stop dwelling on the more terminological, hypothetical side of the red pill (AF/BB, NAWALT, etc) and focus on you. When you are the best you can be, people will respond to that. You won't need to sit there and wonder if every little thing you said or thought was perfect, because you will look and act the part. People take that seriously.

Also important: nobody anywhere will contest the need to make money and look good. Not feminists, not red pillers. But there is a lot of evidence to suggest that you can't apply red pill "principles" across the board. Don't get bogged down on "am I putting this pussy on a pedestal." Just focus on improving yourself. That's hard enough on its own and very much worth the effort. If you decide later that you need more of the "internals," deal with them later. But your attitude is likely (though not guaranteed) to be shit without the confidence that comes with being as strong a version of yourself as possible.

redpillbanana · 2015-01-12T18:43:34+00:00

IMAO if you've truly swallowed the red pill, it should be like a gestalt shift/paradigm shift where your brain pretty much immediately flips over to the new way of thinking. It may take a few weeks or months to absorb all the TRP material, but once you truly understand it, BAM, you'll instantly make the flip.

It's like looking at this image of a duck and then suddenly seeing the rabbit or vice versa. Once you see the alternate image, you can always flip back and see the original image, but you'll also understand that there was this hidden image that you didn't notice before, and you'll never be able to look at the image in the same way.

Once you've seen the TRP side of the gestalt shift, you will question all your previous reactions and points of view.

Examples:

Before:

Hey, she's really nice to me, she must like me romantically.
She spends hours talking to me about her personal life, so she must like me.
Women say they want nice guys so I'll be nice to them.
People say that it's not polite to get physical on the first date, so I'll take it slow.
Committing to one woman for life is the right thing to do, so I'll get married.
I like going to the gym but I'd rather have more time for my girlfriend. She says I have enough muscles anyway.
My girlfriend has gained a lot of weight and I'm no longer attracted to her, so my doctor gave me a prescription for Viagra.
Everyone says you should just be yourself. Why should I change? I want people to like me for who I am.
This one woman is special and beautiful, so I'm going to win her over even if it kills me.
When I argue with my girlfriend, she stops having sex with me, so I avoid arguments.
When we were in high school, she never gave me the time of day, but now that we're 30, she is finally interested! I win in the end!
My girlfriend never gives me blowjobs, but I found out she used to give her other boyfriends blowjobs. I guess she's found out what she's comfortable with.
A good rule of thumb is two months of salary for an diamond engagement ring, so I'm going to splurge and spend 3 months of my salary.

After:

Hey, she's really nice to me, but has she fucked me or invested in me in any way? No? Then she's trying to make me an orbiter. Cut her off, use the time to meet other women and improve myself.
She spends hours talking to me about her personal life. She needs a therapist and is trying to use me as one. Cut her off, use the time to meet other women and improve myself.
Women say that want nice guys but I'd rather look at the men they actually fuck to see what they really want.
People say that it's not polite to get physical on the first date, but I see nothing wrong with it, and it certainly saves time. If she's not physically attracted to me, it's better to find out early and use the extra time to meet other women and improve myself.
Committing to one woman for life is the right thing to do, but I don't care what society is pressuring me to do, I'll do what's best for me.
I like going to the gym and no relationship gets in the way of what I want to do with my life. Also, there's no such thing as having enough muscles.
My girlfriend has gained a lot of weight and I'm no longer attracted to her, so I gave myself a prescription for a new slim girlfriend.
Everyone says you should just be yourself, so I'm going to transform myself into the most attractive person possible, then I'll feel good about being myself and more people will like me for who I am.
This one woman is special and beautiful, but there are 3.5 billion fish in the sea. There could be tens or even hundreds of millions of women more special and beautiful than her.
When I argue with my girlfriend, she stops having sex with me, so I'm going to leave her. I'd rather masturbate than supplicate.
When we were in high school, she never gave me the time of day, but now that we're 30, she is finally interested! I'm going to make her a plate but she's not relationship material. If the kitten didn't want me, I don't want the cat.
My girlfriend never gives me blowjobs, but I found out she used to give her other boyfriends blowjobs. Looks like I'm beta bucks, time to dump her.
A good rule of thumb is two months of salary for an diamond engagement ring, but fuck that. Fuck diamonds, fuck weddings, and fuck legal marriage. I'm investing in Berkshire Hathaway stock instead.

Flipping from "before" to "after" should be as sudden as flipping from the rabbit to the duck once you've swallowed the pill. You'll still be able to see the world as your former self, but you'll never be able to think about the world in the same way again.

NOTE: even after you've flipped to the red pill way of seeing things, there's always more learning to do, but these are more like refinements to a theory rather than switching theories altogether.

stevredpill · 2015-01-12T18:18:42+00:00

Hey improvy.

I was you. I also started at age 25. I am now 27 and red.

My internal change occurred with a few milestones. It may not happen in this order for you, but they all contributed to my change.

Got owned. I got burned hard by a girl because I acted the way a man should not. A whiny little B. This made me reflect on my situation. My friend saw it. He had already found redpill - he introduced it to me. Purpose: To awaken me from my slumber.

Had a RP companion. As mentioned earlier, a friend brought RP into my life. He started by leaking some posts to me. I'm blessed to have a live person and close friend to talk to about these subjects as well as have an open enough mind to have a discussion with him. I hope you can find that support system in your circle of friends, but if not, you have us here. Purpose: Therapy.

Read up on a shitload of RP material. I read everything on the sidebar. I read posts everyday. I started commenting and interacting with RP members. Purpose: Build my "RP lenses" so that they would be ready to wear.

Wear my "RP lenses." This is a crucial point in my life. I started viewing all scenarios and interactions with women through the knowledge framework I had gained from studying on TRP. It was the most important part. Sure, theory all makes sense, but when you see a post by Gay Lube Oil actually apply and work 100% in real life, you BELIEVE. Purpose: To see the Matrix for myself.

Work on myself. This one I didn't have much problems doing because I have a hard work ethic in general and really just had to go through an internal change as it pertains to my outlook on relationships. Purpose: To increase my SMV so I could put myself in more RP moments, and just overall be happier.

Practice what you preach. There will come a time where a girl won't text you right back or you get in an epic end of the relationship fight with your gf. You will feel anxious and nervous and sad. Don't cave. When you finally are okay with walking, when you are finally okay with her leaving - that is when you truly have accepted RP. Purpose: To solidify what I have learned.

All in all, I'd say it took me 1.5 years to fully go Red.

Good Luck.

2015-01-12T19:13:31+00:00

It happened my freshman year of college.

I was into this girl, ill call her X, and she was into me, but one drunken night I did something that freaked me out regarding the status of our "relationship", and I asked for some time to think about what I wanted. She said okay, and we didn't talk for about 4 days. I started texting her again, and about a week later I'm thinking about asking her out.

Flash forward to Thursday, the day before I planned on asking her out, I'm in my dorm playing GTA V before I head to the gym, and this guy Id been off and on friends with is in there with my roommate, just chatting. He's acting more cocky than usual, and eventually it comes up that he has no game. He says "but I fucked someone before you". At this point, I hadn't fucked any girls at college, only my ex in highschool. So I inquire as to who, and he won't reveal anything. Finally, he reveals he fucked X the day before. I'm in utter disbelief, shock and anger.

The next two weeks were just this angry blur. Her and I argued, she got apologetic, tried to justify what she did. During this period, I found TRP. I tried to apply what I could to this situation, and eventually I fucked her and never talked to her again. She's now dating a jock from my highschool that I used to be friends with.

After that whole stint, I was in the anger phase. I actually hated women and trusted no one. I went the gym more and more, and got stronger than ever. TRP helped me score a few more girls, but nothing too major. In comes this girl that I've met before but never really had a conversation with. Her and I chat for a few days, I use game tactics from this sub, and she became a plate, and eventually my girlfriend.

People always criticize this sub, but this sub helped me through one of the worst times of my life. I'd never felt more betrayed by anyone before this, and TRP provided me with a niche to grow and develop. I got out of the anger phase relatively quickly and became an LTR TRP wizard. I know when my girlfriend shit tests me and I know how to fight it. My lifts have gone up, my grades have gotten better and I've gotten a better job.

I've thought about having a weekly post about the shit I see at college, because man, do I see some shit. Girls cheating on their men left and right, guys consistently sleeping with 4 girls a day, etc. There's a lot of TRP examples in college, and I think we could all learn from them.

Cyralea · 2015-01-12T16:51:11+00:00

I could probably be the poster boy for you. The only caveat is this -- I made most of my changes pre-TRP.

I was a shy kid that grew up extremely beta, father was never around, pedestalized the shit out of women, all that nonsense. It wasn't until I was around 20 that I started making changes. I was a kissless virgin, despite a lot of girls telling me I was "cute".

Progress was slow. I knew I had to improve, but I didn't know what constituted improvement. I worked on my looks by dressing better, my confidence by talking to more people, my career by really upping my studies, etc.

By the time I was 26 I had started my first soft-harem by juggling two chicks at once. I fucked dozens of women between then and 30.

You're fortunate in that you have TRP. You could easily accomplish that in 2-3 years, knowing how to focus your efforts on what works.

bojackhorsemen · 2015-01-12T17:25:56+00:00

For the longest time I was blue pill(I still lifted), not because I wanted to, but because I was raised by my mother who taught me that was the way. I really don't know why I believed her, my dads definitely an alpha male I should have seen that she was projecting what she wants to desire and not the honest truth. It wasn't until last year that I found the red pill here on reddit. It started to make way more since why women treated me as the friend. I treated them like they deserved everything and expected very little in return (which I hated, again thought it was the way.) Now I treat women as they act, like children. Never been happier and never had more women want me at one time. That was really the biggest thing i figured out, women will use you for emotional validation when they believe they won't have to contribute to the friendship. Basically women aren't friends and were never meant to be, but if you make them that that's all they will be.

2015-01-12T17:47:17+00:00

It took me just over a year for day-to-day life to be consistently different compared to before. It's more of a journey than a destination. You can't accept and adopt a completely new mentality overnight. It's not easy to undo 25+ years of blue pill programming and it took time. Lots of mistakes were made. Lots of relapsing. Lots of introspection.

AFPJ · 2015-01-12T19:29:10+00:00

From birth to 16-18 if you grew up with a strong father, or from whenever you found this to death otherwise.

This is me pulling numbers out of my ass, but a transition time of about [age found] * 2 months sounds right.

2015-01-12T21:01:55+00:00

I'll give this a go.

Past formative years - raised in a two parent household. Father mostly alpha but never passed on wisdom to me (when he did I don't think I listened because I didn't respect him until now). Mama taught me "be nice to girls and they'll like you." First nail in the coffin.

At age 13 I met "Laura", a girl a little older than me. I had my first sexual experience (not actual sex) with her, and she quickly accused me of raping her a month or so afterwards. She continued this for six years via getting her boyfriends to stalk and harass me but no police reports (HMMMM). From then on I became incredibly timid around women because I saw that despite my natural strengths and abilities, the greatest strength you can have in the world is the ability to successfully manipulate people. Women have that in strides.

I lost my virginity at 15 because I was part of an incredibly popular band in my local scene. I lost that girl quickly after because I was a blue pill poster child. I then dated a dominant older woman who I went out with for two years and never touched sexually once.

I had on and off girlfriends until about last year where I decided that relationships weren't for me. I had been reading Cheateau Heartiste but I've always felt that there was something deeply wrong with american women and society. I didn't realize that the problem lies with both sexes until I really started reading the posts here.

TRP has been less about accepting red pill truths, and more about coming to terms with the fact that women are actually decent people who have been led astray by feminism. I was very bitter at women until I started reading here. It's kind of funny how TRP is supposedly "misogynist" but has made me love women more than ever.

tl;dr BP (but still rather successful with women) until last year when I fully endorsed RP.

2015-01-12T15:47:18+00:00

It depends on how much effort you are going to put into changing yourself.

One year ago I was a nice guy who was getting LJBF friends after dates when I found this site. Now I can go out solo and hook up with girls if I'm in the mood.

Cryocasm · 2015-01-12T17:39:38+00:00

I like how you're trying to lay it all out for yourself, and I wish I would've done it the same.

In February 2014 I found this subreddit through none other than a detractor (bitch hating). At the time I had simply started reading, spending at least 2 hours a night reading. I refrained from commenting until around April-May 2014 when I felt I had picked up enough base knowledge to begin bouncing it off the community and see if I am interpreting it right. I honestly didn't internalize anything until July, when the first bits about demeanour, frame, game, etc started coming into my blood. By September I had consumed enough knowledge and changed my style: cut the long hair, got some shirts, brushed my teeth, and started framing myself very sexually. At the end of September I had more or less reached my "launching point". I felt like a new ship ready to be slipped into the seas.

I had stopped very actively following the redpill in October/November and decided to go MGTOW 100%. Do it all by myself with no guidance and see how it goes. I evaluated around middle December how far I had gotten, and honestly, the results were extremely fulfilling. In the first week of December one of my closest friends (he's a natural alpha) spoke out his respect for how much I've improved and how it's so great to see that I've become a better person and commend an aura around myself now. A few weeks later my Uncle appreciates how respectable and powerful I've become and says that he really is proud to have such a nephew (his words were genuine).

After this event since Christmas I've been suffering a form of depression and recession from my previous extreme energy. I feel like I've lost my edge, my content on this sub isn't as good any more, I slobbed out over break and quit my workouts in the mornings: I just smoked pot the past three weeks. I'm powering through this down-stretch and really trying to get back on the up.

I guess the best way of putting it is not to shelter yourself in here. Yes going monk mode (true monk mode, really not talking to girls and just complete focus on self-actualization) can help, but I believe it reaches it's practical limit after 3-4 months after which you're going to have to simply launch yourself into the world and see how it goes. If it goes bad, come here and reflect and get advice. If it goes well come here and reflect and get advice.

I wish you good riddance.

jeezydasnowman · 2015-01-12T18:02:09+00:00

I think there's some shortcuts one can take if u have disposable income right up front.

1) start going out w ur friends. Approach approach approach.

2) buy and read books

3) buy new clothes

4) spend a week in solitude or take a good drug trip. Great way to reprogram your mind.

whiskyvillain · 2015-01-12T20:48:54+00:00

The timeline? From now until you die.

cocaine_face · 2015-01-12T22:44:42+00:00

About 2-3 years of solid de-programming. You're lucky in that you came to the Redpill first - a lot of guys have to discover it all gradually.

It's not that hard to make friends. If you are actively improving yourself and going out and doing things, you can find a lot of friends, and they're typically higher quality. But friends take up a lot of time that can be spent self-improving too - the best mixture is to find friends who do both.

I'd pick a few things you want to get good at first - game/girls, or a career skill, or lifting. REALLY get into that one thing for at least a couple months. Like make that most of what you do.

My timeline (ish):

After discovering PUA and self-improvement -

I did some living in my car to save money (made about 10k in 4 or 5 months) while working a full time job. I sadly squandered it on a car that is pretty but was a poor decision.

Then I did at least about 6 months to a year (if not a year and a half) of solid going out all the time. Flirting with girls, daygame, night game, anything, everything. Approach, approach, approach.

I took about 3-5 months off from that, and taught myself how to draw/use photoshop/take photographs as well as practiced getting better at programming and web development. I also wrote and illustrated a small book during this time.

Then for 2 months, I took an improv comedy class and did several performances.

Then I moved to a new city and a new job, and poured myself into more web development work, and going out with girls occasionally.

Then I got into lifting, and put about 3-6 months of lifting (injured myself sadly, but I hope to get back soon - be careful when you lift and don't keep doing it if it hurts - simple, I know, but in the moment you make stupid choices sometimes). Taught myself most core power lifts and olympic lifts and some more esoteric olympic lifts.

Shifted back into more development and started an LLC on the side, went into monk mode and I've taken the down time from lifting and girls to really focus on building software and the business.

So over the course of 3 years, I got proficientish at three hobbies (comedy, art/image creation, photography) all of which have side benefits for my career, improved my career prospects, got a new job, improved my skill, and learned to lift/get in shape.

I always tell bluepill, usually overweight friends that it'll take 2 years. I'd say that's a good metric to be on track.

RcskaSedd · 2015-01-13T02:12:13+00:00

I think i was reading redpill 3 years ago on this sub, got invited via seddit , anyways i was reading the side bar material and constantly reading post on here, at that time i was talking to a girl who had a boyfriend, she clearly was attracted to me because social proof and how i could pass shit test with flying colors. Anyways she kept insisnting that we should "hang out" i agreed but everytime i tried to set up a "hang out" she'd be like "oh sorry busy" or kinda flake, so i stop paying much attention to her, she kept blowing up my phone with texts. one day i was watching the movie patton (great movie) and in the beginning of the movie patton says "never hold a position" and this thought went into my mind and red pill idealogies clicked. I texted her "hey, wer'e going out today, get dressed, we're gonna go do this and this." she agreed and we met and yeah, so she Caress Me Down This is when i knew redpill got me more results than being nice, patient, anything fucking lame

cascadecombo · 2015-01-13T06:58:27+00:00

Making new friends as you age is increasingly hard.

It is only as hard as you let it be. If you go out and actually make any attempt to socialize and meet people, friends will come. Try moving to a new country where the native language isn't yours and then maybe you can say it's hard. But still not that hard.

Zanford · 2015-01-13T21:38:09+00:00

For me it was almost overnight. As soon as I found the Manosphere, it was like all these things I'd subconsciously known (and sometimes acted on, sometimes failed to, being a natural red-blue mix like most guys) were suddenly crystalized consciously. Then it was just a tactical matter of exiting an unsatisfying LTR with minimal blowback and getting back in the game.

fhghg · 2015-01-15T18:11:04+00:00

I'm still waiting to see if I get my taxes done before April this year.

ubiety · 2015-01-12T22:35:33+00:00

Realistic blue to red timeline? Would like to hear personal stories...

When you say "realistic", I think you mean detailed. Each person journey is different and a bunch of them will be entirely unrealistic because a lot of detail is usually left out and you're left to fill in the rest with your critical thinking and imagination skills.

I am just now starting to analyze my predicament and my deeply embedded thoughts. Reprogramming is proving to be very challenging and unnatural. Some of my previously held beliefs (women on pedestals, utmost respect, politeness and care for all women) seem to be very hard wired in my brain.

"Deeply embedded thoughts" --- for my blue to red transformation, I focused on changing the way I though and reacted to thing by forcing a red pill mind set 24/7. I thought like an alpha. How do you feel like an alpha? By reprogramming your socially conditioned response to a personal response. You can read up on Stoicism and other philosophies, but the most is you need be conscious of how you feel and what you're thinking, and "short circuit" negative, unproductive thoughts. There's no half-measures in this process. Your reprogramming feels "unnatural and challenging" because you're brand new to this stuff, and depending on how blue or red you are, your mileage will vary on how quickly you can change your social conditioning. I've always been skeptical and critical of everything and digesting the pill took me half a year to accept as reality, especially after a false rape allegation came my way. You wake the fuck up really quickly when you're faced with a situation that can destroy your life.

Assuming an average 25 years old male embarking on the red pill journey, he has to overcome:

Younger the better, especially if you van plan out your career around the red pill.

Blue Social Circle: Most male friends are beta blue pillers (yeah you can dump all your friends, but that is not a real sustainable solution as it seems to be better to have lesser friends than no friends. Making new friends as you age is increasingly hard. Trying to convert friends to TRP seems ill advised as from personal experience, it takes a very traumatic experience/realization to seek it out and embrace it)

Past formative years - parents, schooling (0-18 you are forcefully indoctrinated into a very blue pill state of mind by your parents, who are either divorced; raised by a single mom, or having a beta father. School as we all know, is becoming increasingly boy hostile)

Decades of living in a feminine centered matrix. The forces of habit cannot be underestimated.

Decades of watching bluepill media (tv shows, movies).

No need to convert friends to TRP. I've make new friends all the time, it's really easy once you knock down your social conditioning. I personally carry a bitter streak, but when I'm around other people I talk about easily assessable topics, and slowly dive deeper into things I care about and my hobbies. You need to have character to build character, it's one of the first thing you can "fake" since by the time you're xx years old, you should have developed some personality and skills. If not, fuck, even for a blue pill guy that's terrible! What have you been doing all your life - coasting? A sustainable solution would be to make close friends with people who share your personality and hobbies - sounds obvious, it's hard because if you don't know who you are, it's a billion times harder to become something different. Monk mode not only teaches you the basics, but (hopefully) it forces you confront difficult truths about yourself that your blue pill self chose to ignore until you woke up.

So after so many years in such a critical period in your youth, how long do you think it takes to start becoming red? Even after embracing the line of thought here we are still operating with plenty of challenges stacked against us living in the matrix, surrounded by damaging media and blue pill social circles.

In terms of time, it should take the same number of months as the number of years since you hit puberty. I took it when I was 21, which is 9 years from when I hit puberty, so about 9 months total. No one said this would be easy, you need to be to put in the work and learn to help yourself fill in all the details.

I guess the underlying fear for this post, is that most of us are fundamentally and deeply blue pill, through decades of indoctrination and education in our formative years. I think that most of the externals (make more money, dress better, improve your physique) can be taken care of much more easily than a deep and meaningful internal change (not putting pussy on pedestals, being confidant and cocky, having an abundance mentality, being dominant and assertive, not taking shit from women).

Internal change remains the hardest simply because few people realistically look into their souls and try to figure out what plagues them. They have no self discipline or will power to STOP caving to their wants or desires. Self discipline is the hardest skill to learn because you can't learn it overnight, it takes days, weeks, months of practice. We go to school for 4 years to learn a trade and get a degree simply because it takes time to learn the material and internalize it. I started preping my brain and internal self first because it was much easier to "fix" than my external self, which I'm just starting to fix. For me the script was flipped from yours, but the best solution is to tackle both external and internal incrementally and simultaneously.

I really hope that I am wrong, and that a few years of focused work can bring me where I want to be. I would appreciate hearing some stories of personal internal transformation and also the approximate timeline where you began to feel change. I understand that each person has his own journey to take, and you can't put a time number on such an ongoing personal change, but still, after how long you felt more "red" than "blue"?

You may never be where you want to be, as you should always be thirsty for self improvement. There's no half-measures you must go the full distance and finish the race... And then train for the next hypothetical race! You need to work on your internal game, specifically with your blue pill perception of the "difficultly" of the red pill. It's not that difficult, you're just used to failing in life over little things, so that when something "big" like this comes along, you think its impossible. Self improvement is completely possible, and it arguably starts with the "can do attitude, positive" mindset. Easier said than done, but that's why you feel the external stuff is easier to tackle than the internal stuff... Because it's easier to do immediately!

Hopefully this helps, I recommend you take some time for yourself to realize how self-sabotaging (blue pill covered with "realistic" pessimism) your mindset is, and create tangible goals now that you can achieve by the end of this week, and the end of January, the start of Spring and the start of summer. If you make no progress by June, you've misread the side bar and haven't been sticking to a reasonable plan of action. Take things on a weekly basis, then graduate to monthly.

Cheers.

rpscrote · 2015-01-12T18:20:39+00:00

The hard truth is that being a high SMV man is a battle that will never end. There is no respite, and that's the point. You must become so strong that you don't need the respite. You must be constantly re-evaluating your goals creating newer and loftier goals once you've achieved one. "There is no rest for the weary"

You might lift, lose some weight. But your new goal will be to put on muscle until you're jacked. That doesn't happen overnight

You might get new clothes. But style is so ephemeral it can nearly always be improved or refined.

Once you are high value you will be assailed from every angle by pretenders and the jealous. Not to mention the spiteful that would just like to see you knocked down a peg (economically-- marxists/radical leftists, interpersonally-- post-wall women).

The day you put down your burden is the day you die -- whether figuratively or literally.

cover20 · 2015-01-12T19:52:50+00:00

I still (after having "figured out" a lot of RP 20 years ago before the internet made it so easy) have ingrained tendencies to help women, and they've probably learned some subtle habits to induce that behavior in men. I have to remind myself not to do it. Don't help girls! Just repeat that to yourself 10 times a day.

As for your friends, your interests will naturally mature and your friend circle will shift, either they'll follow your lead or you'll find other guys more sympatico. This won't be a big problem. Don't try to convert your friends for now, just be yourself -- your new self that is.

In fact, just be yourself, the self that has a bit of attitude and balls when it comes to women. The transition could be like right now. Fake it til you make it, it won't take long.

sluggy1616 · 2015-01-12T16:17:59+00:00

AWALT. Once you except that you realize that chicks are all linked by their biological imperatives.

She/them can never be loyal to because of that.

SlightlyCyborg · 2015-01-13T07:28:03+00:00

My story is an probably not unlike many others.

I grew up in a single parent home. My mom is completely brainwashed by the blue pill and the media. Once I got out of my indoctrination camp (public school) I began to become a rebel and started toying with novel ideas. All of my friends were blue pillers save for ONE DUDE who saved my life. If I had women problems I would always go to him. The dude was a CHICK MAGNENT and not only that but he put off this vibe of sureness that I just loved. Being stuck in a feminine energy, I am pretty sure I was crushing on the guy (and I was aware of it too. I judged myself pretty harshly for it). He introduced me to body building and fitness and it changed me from a geek to a unique sexy geek with an aire of rebellious dark triad in me. He also introduced me to the art of smoking a cigar which was my first real act of rebellion. Anyway, over time, I began to find many masculine mentors all around me (although most of them were online mentors or people in books like Richard Branson and Steve Jobs biographies. Alpha qualities are hard to develop and therefore rare).

I stopped watching TV in college. AND THEN I did the most masculine thing I have ever done up until that point. I bought a van and lived in it so that I could be independent of the majority of society. Once I did this, a whole world of awesomeness opened up to me. I met badass rockclimbers, kyakers, bike tourists and general dirt bags. These people naturally radiate confidence. Even the feminine men in this group excel with the women. They introduced me to contra dancing which took my confidence up 20 notches. There's little to nothing as good for a person with low self esteem than asking a new woman to dance with you every 5 minutes for 4 hours each week.

Now I have enough self knowledge and creativity that I can embark on my own manly challenges to build courage, strength, and other virtues. I just recently completed a 5 day bike tour through the freezing Appalachian mountains. One night it got down to 7 degrees, but luckily I was prepared from the days of living in my van during the arctic blast.

I still have a lot of life to live and a lot of learning to do, but once you learn to differentiate the betas from the alphas, then you can find good mentors to bootstrap the process.

Title	Realistic blue to red timeline? Would like to hear personal stories...
Author	improvy
Upvotes	44
Comments	56
Date	January 12, 2015 3:28 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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