If TRP was just some massive sub about 'waa nice guys finish last' then I probably would have just moaned over it for a bit and moved on. It's the empirical data which has resulted in a relapse on my existential crisis.

Hypergamy doesn't care. tl;dr low testosterone men are literally genetically inferior to women-how do I start explaining this to my GP today?

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886909001779

Waist–hip ratio predicts women’s preferences for masculine male faces, but not perceptions of men’s trustworthiness

Studies show that attractive women demonstrate stronger preferences for masculine men than relatively unattractive women do. Such condition-dependent preferences may occur because attractive women can more easily offset the costs associated with choosing a masculine partner, such as lack of commitment and less interest in parenting. Alternatively, if masculine men display negative characteristics less to attractive women than to unattractive women, attractive women may perceive masculine men to have more positive personality traits than relatively unattractive women do. We examined how two indices of women’s attractiveness, body mass index (BMI) and waist–hip ratio (WHR), relate to perceptions of both the attractiveness and trustworthiness of masculinized versus feminized male faces. Consistent with previous studies, women with a low (attractive) WHR had stronger preferences for masculine male faces than did women with a relatively high (unattractive) WHR. This relationship remained significant when controlling for possible effects of BMI. Neither WHR nor BMI predicted perceptions of trustworthiness.

These findings present converging evidence for condition-dependent mate preferences in women and suggest that such preferences do not reflect individual differences in the extent to which pro-social traits are ascribed to feminine versus masculine men.

Note that pro-social traits not affected by T levels. Nice Guy Ned is a perfectly good guy…for the friend zone!

http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/27/the-secret-to-guys-sex-appeal-low-stress-high-testosterone-strong-immunity/

Washboard abs and a chiseled jaw are a draw, but a recent study suggests it may be a man’s healthy immune system that really turns women on.

That makes sense, since a strong immune system signifies a healthy guy — one who’s likely to survive long enough to pass his rugged genes to the next generation. But the more surprising thing is that women can apparently spot good immunity by looking at a guy’s face.

The key factor may be testosterone, the male hormone that has been associated with a man’s hardy good looks. According to a study published in the journal Nature Communications, testosterone levels are not only linked with facial attractiveness, but also with a strong immune system response.

http://www.livescience.com/10073-women-prefer-chill-guys.html

1st study I looked up when ex described her friend as "just more laid back" when pissed off with my anxiety issue

Women generally find calm, collected men more attractive, and scientists now suggest they know the biology of why that is.

However, past studies have often revealed that men with high testosterone levels are not automatically appealing to women, who view such testosterone-laden men as having long-term drawbacks. For instance, the macho guys may lead a "player's" lifestyle, or may also be bad parents.

^^^ feminine imperative in play. Operative social conventions: Shallow

Instead, human behavioral ecologist Fhionna Moore at the University of Abertay Dundee in Scotland and her colleagues focused on the stress-linked hormone cortisol. Persistently high levels of cortisol can suppress not just the immune system, but also reproductive function. As such, it would make sense if women preferred men with low cortisol levels — that is, those who are not stressed out.

Fuck Chad during ovulation; "I was drunk, he was cute and things just happened…"

The researchers also had 43 heterosexual female university students look at the composite images at times both inside and outside the fertile phases of their menstrual cycles. This enabled the scientists to see what effects female hormones and fertility might have on perceptions of male desirability.

When women were in the fertile phase of their menstrual cycle — that is, when they were more likely to get pregnant — those men with low cortisol levels (so were likely more chill) were seen as more attractive than men with high cortisol levels. Past research suggests that when women are most fertile, they tend to judge men on traits that might best benefit any potential offspring in the long-term, and the scientists noted that a person's general cortisol levels are heritable.

"We speculate, then, that males with low cortisol possess something desirable that women seek to secure for their offspring," Moore said. "This could be, for example, good health or a healthy response to stress."

Nice guys/Beta Ben finish last;

Good partners

The results were considerably more complex when women were not in the fertile phase of their menstrual cycle. In those cases, male faces linked either with high levels of both cortisol and testosterone or low levels of both hormones were rated as more attractive than faces associated with high levels of one and low levels of the other.

Prior studies suggest that when women are not in their fertile phase, "we tend to interpret women's preferences as reflecting those for cues to the characteristics that make a man a good long-term partner," Moore told LiveScience.

In this light, men who are healthy or good providers might be important to women not in their fertile phase. "I can speculate that high-testosterone, high-cortisol levels may signal someone who is dominant and may make a good provider — high testosterone is certainly likely to be related to this," Moore said. "Someone with low-testosterone, low-cortisol levels may be someone with good current health."

My take on this; she'll cheat on you during ovulation, then cry on your shoulder saying how much she wuvss oo while you feed her chocolate during her period

She is not your shoulder to cry on

AF/BB as covered by Rollo

http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/27/mrs-hyde/

Biomechanics

An even more uncomfortable truth is that women’s pluralistic sexual strategy is literally written into their genetics. In a woman’s sexual peak demographic, across her ovulatory cycle she will tend to seek out High-Testosterone cued Alpha Men to pursue for her short term breeding strategy during her pro-phase of ovulation. In her menstruation period her preferences switch to preferring the long term security of a beta provider, and thus filters for these traits in her pair-bonding.

I’m elaborating on the genetic aspects here because I think it’s important for men to understand the biological mechanics of women’s sexual strategies in a broader scope. I endure an endless stream criticism for implying that women are selective sluts. Obviously women in the general whole have the capacity to resist these base impulses to “go slut”, however this is the base biological impulse against which they resist by conviction, rationale, sentimentalism or simply being realistic about having a low SMP valuation. As I’ve said before, all women have the capacity to throw caution to the wind in order to pursue her short term sexual strategy. Right place, right guy, right ovulatory phase, I was drunk, he was cute and one thing led to another,.. Nature selected for women who could best effect a covert pluralistic sexual strategy.

Due to the cyclic nature of women’s sexuality it’s a misnomer to think that “women are just as sexual as men“, however, to to the importance of sexual selectivity dominance, women are much more sexual than most men are led to believe. The key is understanding that women want to be sexual on their own terms as their cycle dictates. Essentially they are serving two masters in this: they want the freedom to pursue a short term sexual opportunity (as well as the freedom from social repercussions as a result) and also the prudence to filter fora man willing to assume the responsibilities of parental investment and provisioning.

back to study 1: hot women want manly men

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886908001906

Masculine physical traits may signal men’s underlying health and are associated with indices of men’s reproductive fitness. Here we show that preferences for low (i.e. masculine) pitch in men’s voices are positively related to self-rated attractiveness among women who are not using hormonal contraceptives. This relationship between masculinity preferences and self-rated attractiveness was evident when women judged the attractiveness of men’s voices that were played forward, but was not present when women judged the attractiveness of men’s voices that had been reversed. This variation in women’s preferences for masculinized men’s voices complements previous studies showing positive relationships between preferences for masculinity in men’s faces and women’s self-rated attractiveness and may be adaptive if attractive women are better able to attract and/or retain masculine mates. Interestingly, we observed no significant relationships between preferences for masculinized men’s voices and self-rated attractiveness among women using hormonal contraceptives. These latter null findings are consistent with previous studies in which potentially adaptive variation in masculinity preferences were also absent among women using hormonal contraceptives.

Low T men get with low SMV ('fat/ugly') women

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018506X08002298

Men report stronger attraction to femininity in women's faces when their testosterone levels are high

Many studies have shown that women's judgments of men's attractiveness are affected by changes in levels of sex hormones. However, no studies have tested for associations between changes in levels of sex hormones and men's judgments of women's attractiveness. To investigate this issue, we compared men's attractiveness judgments of feminized and masculinized women's and men's faces in test sessions where salivary testosterone was high and test sessions where salivary testosterone was relatively low. Men reported stronger attraction to femininity in women's faces in test sessions where salivary testosterone was high than in test sessions where salivary testosterone was low. This effect was found to be specific to judgments of opposite-sex faces. The strength of men's reported attraction to femininity in men's faces did not differ between high and low testosterone test sessions, suggesting that the effect of testosterone that we observed for judgments of women's faces was not due to a general response bias. Collectively, these findings suggest that changes in testosterone levels contribute to the strength of men's reported attraction to femininity in women's faces and complement previous findings showing that testosterone modulates men's interest in sexual stimuli.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0042593

Previous work has suggested that the experience of psychological stress may influence physical attractiveness ideals,

Results

Between-groups analyses showed that the experimental group was matched with the control group in terms of mean age, BMI, and appetite sensation. Further analyses showed that men in the experimental [high-stress] group rated a significantly heavier female body size as maximally attractive than the control group. Men in the experimental group also rated heavier female bodies as more attractive and idealised a wider range of female figures than did the control group.

Conclusion

This study found that the experience of stress was associated with a preference among men for heavier female body sizes. These results indicate that human attractiveness judgements are sensitive to variations in local ecologies and reflect adaptive strategies for dealing with changing environmental conditions.

Social Matching Theory confirmed; behavioural economics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matching_hypothesis

The matching hypothesis (also known as the matching phenomenon) is derived from the discipline of social psychology and was first proposed by Elaine Hatfield and her colleagues in 1966,[1] which suggests why people become attracted to their partner. It claims that people are more likely to form and succeed in a committed relationship with someone who is equally socially desirable. This is often researched in the form of physical attraction.[2]

If this leads you to think of all the successful couples in which the partners differ greatly in physical attractiveness, it is likely that the less attractive partner has compensating qualities to offer.[3] For instance, some men with wealth and status desire younger, more attractive women. Some women are more likely to overlook physical attractiveness for men who possess wealth and status.[3][4]

http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/27/social-matching-theory/

I don't really have much of a debate. The more I read the more convinced I am of the hard data for RP and the death of romantic ideals as I perceived them. Given this, why do bloopers keep talking about stupid shit like love? Why do feminists insist that 'feminine men' or 'skinny guys' can be attractive despite the hard data that they are little more than disposable providers to be fed the scraps of the SMP?