Blue Pillers strongly disagree with the TRP conclusion that Women are 'the most responsible teenager in the house'. There is a fallacy in their disdain, and here is why:

Those_Who_Remain · 2014-11-06T09:54:10+00:00

So Blue Pill, what are your reasons for your dislike, disdain, and general disrespect for teenagers and children? Why are they considered less than people in your eyes and not worthy of your respect?

A teenager is not as cognitively or emotionally developed as an adult.

I dont "disdain" teenagers, but to call an adult a teenager is to suggest that they have stunted development in some way.

You're trying to do this "aha, maybe its YOU who is the real bigot" thing but its really weak.

Those_Who_Remain · 2014-11-06T08:11:16+00:00

If teenagers are basically the same as adults according to you, why does TRP make a distinction then for women?

savois-faire · 2014-11-06T10:43:33+00:00

Of the three times they cite evidence, they only actually give evidence in one of the three cases, and the "evidence" provided is a another blogpost, this one about the numbers of women and men who work for the NHS and/or attend medical school, and how long they stay in their jobs.

They make a number of admittedly cute comparisons with fine wine and whiskey and whatnot, but don't provide any hard science, or really any science at all, just home-made analogies, metaphors and claims based on psychology books from the late 19th century.

They also ignore the fact that science does have an explanation: study upon study has shown that women's brains are different than men's, in various ways, but maturing earlier is attributed by neuroscience to the female brain's frontal lobe "maturing" into its "adult" functions several years earlier than men's frontal lobes do. One could speculate as to why this is the case - relating it to puberty and women's capacity to give birth etc - but we know it to be the case.

Feel about this blogpost how you will, personally I'm not sure what to really make of it, it's definitely interesting but it certainly isn't a scientific study.

Archwinger · 2014-11-06T11:29:17+00:00

Good God, man. Just own it.

Women are child-like because they are. That's an offensive thing to say because it is.

Holy shit. The Red Pill advocates viewpoints that are offensive. Stop the presses!

Someone on the internet might disagree with The Red Pill! Act quickly and maybe you can convince their detractors that they've been wrong all along about this one particularly offensive point due to a some sideways word game where you argue some highly nuanced "definition" that clearly deviates from the intent of the thing you're pulling from.

Thank God we have you. I was up all night last night worrying that someone on the internet might find this particular point offensive. I wasn't worried about anything else The Red Pill advocates. Thanks for clearing this up so convincingly for everyone.

Tombstone31 · 2014-11-06T13:40:05+00:00

Wow, that's the first time I've actually read that sidebar article.

Another point for blue pill :/

powerkick · 2014-11-06T17:46:53+00:00

I don't think acting like a teenager would have gotten Michelle Bachelet the presidency of Chile...twice. I don't think acting like a teenager would get women in higher level corporate and managerial positions. And if a teenager would, then she wouldn't be able to retain it for long.

Shit, acting like a teenager alienates you in most JOBS.

Marie Curie couldn't have had the patience of a teenager and discovered radium.

Female police officers wouldn't stay police officers if they were consistently acting like teenagers--not any moreso than male police officers, I guess.

Women acting like teenagers wouldn't be in charge of raising children. That would be given to the "more rational male gender" to do.

Insinuating that women are teenagers--still beings to be talked down to and monitored by a human being objectively better at being a human being--even women in their elder years, shows a deep lack of understanding of human mental growth and personal evolution, steeped only in the fact that women have a pair of breasts and a vagina.

teeelo · 2014-11-06T18:01:13+00:00

You've built your entire argument on purposely missing the point. TBP has no issues with teenagers themselves. There is no disdain for them but there is an acceptance of the fact that teenagers have not fully matured. By calling half of the human population "the most responsible teenager in the house" you are claiming that adult women are developmentally stunted.

We_Are_Legion · 2014-11-06T08:54:25+00:00

Wrong, it implies that women are less developed than men mentally. Teenagers by definition are still mentally developing. To equate a gender with people of a certain age group is just wrong on many many levels.

GridReXX · 2014-11-06T15:27:46+00:00

I had a brain fart and not because I can't comprehend, but because I really thought this OP was going to go somewhere... and it didn't.

2014-11-06T23:09:16+00:00

The brains of teenagers have not finished developing, so it's insulting for an adult to be compared to them. The frontal lobe does not finish developing until mid-twenties.

Bakerofpie · 2014-11-06T14:11:01+00:00

RP here, but I don't really think this argument is sound. I have no disdain or overall lack of respect for teenagers, but I wouldn't trust them to make many large decisions responsibly. Their brains have not finished forming and they are going to do a lot of growing and maturing over the next few years. They lack certain life experience that would equip them to handle many situations and have good judgment on many matters. There are exceptions, of course, but in that case why bother making the distinction at all?

I would be insulted by someone telling me I'm behaving like a teenager or am like a teenager overall because it is saying that at best I lack the life experience needed to behave like a responsible adult, and at worst that I simply lack the brain capacity to learn from those experiences.

babyguineapig · 2014-11-06T08:13:27+00:00

It's an insult because it's intended as an insult, I would have thought that was obvious. It also displays a clear lack of understanding as to how the human brain develops, with frontal lobe function maturing several years earlier in women than in men.

On a lighter note; what is the male to female ratio of Darwin Award winners?

ppd_FrameEnforcer · 2014-11-06T07:05:32+00:00

Your post was caught and removed automatically. Change the link to an NP link and I'll approve it.

teeelo · 2014-11-06T15:12:59+00:00

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itsalreadybeenthrown · 2014-11-08T15:15:20+00:00

Are you autistic?

Sansa_Culotte_ · 2014-11-06T12:31:58+00:00

Grow up and graduate from highschool, then we can talk.

PS: I didn't mean this as an insult. :P

namae_nanka · 2014-11-06T14:18:59+00:00

Being a teenager is the worst 30 years of your life - Christopher Titus

adrixshadow · 2014-11-06T10:06:19+00:00

You are arguing semantics.

They are not considered as adults because they are not responsible.

They have some responsibility and the benefits(some will argue against it) you mentioned but not the full responsibility of an adult man.

THAT is the difference.

0909a0909 · 2014-11-07T22:15:05+00:00

I am a woman. When I act childish, I either self-correct or my SO points it out then I self-correct. When my SO acts childish, he does the same and I do as well.

Are we both acting as "teenagers" sometimes even though we are in our late 20s? Yes. Does it have anything to do with our gender?

teeelo · 2014-11-07T08:59:35+00:00

Good trick. Rather: why would you call women teenagers if you wouldn't mean immaturity by it?

But I admit I am an agist: I do think teenagers are immature. Holy fuck I was an idiot when I was 18 or even 20. And most of my friends were.

Agism is probably the only bigotry I don't want to get rid of - although, as a father, I will judge my kids on their actual maturity and not on their age, and I do this with every kid I have the time I have the time to get to know, but in every other case I am going to assume kids are mostly kids.