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Wife initiated, gave her a hard no, chaos ensues.

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September 27, 2019

Been working RP for 11 weeks now. A week ago began implementing A&A, fogging per recommendations here with good results.

A little history....our bedroom is dead (sex 2 times in the last 12 months). I gave up initiating when I found RP and went monk mode to focus on myself.

Last night I came down with food poisoning...a really bad fucking case, to the point where I called out sick today for the 1st time in the 9 years I've been at this job. Spent all day puking and on the shitter.

Wife comes home from work and initiates. This is the first time shes done so in 3 fucking years at least. As much as I wanted to fuck her I gave her a hard no....I literally just got done sitting on the toilet for 30 minutes and felt the dry heaves coming again. She lost her shit - flipped out, started yelling about how she cant believe I turned her down, bitching about the fact that I'm not ready when shes feeling horny for once, that I should be lucky she wants to fuck, etc. I'm feeling like shit and not particularly witty so I just STFU. She eventually stomps off and is in the media room watching her stupid shows.

I'm pretty sure she is trying to manipulate me as she knows I'm sick as fuck and would say no....but unsure as to what end. I think I handled this well but I'm also unsure. Thoughts?

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Title Wife initiated, gave her a hard no, chaos ensues.
Author SmoovMove
Upvotes 26
Comments 93
Date 27 September 2019 12:56 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"47 points48 points  (41 children) | Copy

Initiate, but only when you know it can't happen.

Checked-Out Wives Guideline, Article #6, Rule #37.

... but unsure as to what end.

  • Manipulation accomplished. Check.
  • Manipulation to continue. Check.
  • Money to keep flowing. Check.
  • Dumbass husband unaware and powerless to do anything. Check-mate. Or not?

Edit: Rule #64, to ensure that homo husband remains unaware and incapable of defending his "manhood," remind him that "(he) should be lucky she wants to fuck" in the first place.

  1. Husband immobilized.
  2. Manhood defeated.
  3. Respect obliterated.

Mission accomplished.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 21 points22 points  (39 children) | Copy

I'm coming to realize this marriage may not work out. And I'm becoming ok with that possibility.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"7 points8 points  (37 children) | Copy

That sounds good, though its veracity is questionable considering the nature and timing of this post.

  • Is your wife fat?

  • Are you?

What's going on?

You mention below:

I've been unattractive for a long time. So it's my fault.

Tell me more. I've got ten minutes 'til I pack it in. They're all yours...

[–]SmoovMove[S] 6 points7 points  (36 children) | Copy

Wife is super hot. Even though shes post wall, I'd rate her a 7.5 or 8.

I'm 6' 1" 220lbs....down from 280. So yes, I'm fat. I've also been beta our entire relationship.

Shes always been low drive....with me. I know her n count is high even though I've never asked. Also my confidence is dead due to the constant rejection. I know that's an excuse, so I'm doing everything I can to get back in shape and be attractive.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"63 points64 points  (35 children) | Copy

Okay, I'm going out on a limb but guessing you're around 40 and she's around the same.

If you've been a fat-ass for a long-ass time, and you've been an abdicating, beta, male - likely subsidizing her lifestyle, I'm also assuming - then she has not been attracted to you for a long, long, long time.

Those are facts of life. No need to get bent. Deal with those facts and move on. After all, as I say often, regret is for fucking assholes.

By avoiding your advances (your twice-a-year advances) and initiating sex on her own - while you're extremely sick - she has put you in a tough spot; after all, the thing you've been longing for, her sweet, sweet honey-pot, was finally made available.

What do you do?

Two schools of thought, maybe three:

  • Turn it down and move on. What you did.
  • Go for it, have crappy sex, perhaps even spread whatever contagion is plaguing you to her.

You chose #1. As SSS said, good choice and the right move.

So why'd she do it?

  1. She's fallen madly in love with you because your 11 weeks of efforts have been so successful.
  2. She ran across a dude so hot earlier in the day that her vibrator wasn't enough and she needed a real dick - though didn't have the time to get a real dick - and yours was nearby.
  3. She is sensing your angst, your 11 weeks of efforts, and that is colliding with her own many years of dissatisfaction, and she's "performing" - by initiating - to either (1) build a case of her own or (2) lesson the damage - to herself - of her many years' worth of shooting you down and the toll its resultant lack of intimacy has taken - because while she may be a bitch who's been turning you down for years, she still has "feelings" and and can emote and can - at a subconscious level at least - appreciate the damage she has done - even while absolving herself of full responsibility for causing that damage because, well, after all, you're just a fat, beta husband and clearly she can do better.

So what to do?

In my opinion, focus less on your recent illness ("I've got the black lung, pop") and more on her years of denying you sex. In so doing you should realize that you lost this woman ages ago.

You are clearly no longer the man she married.

At the same time, in response to my question "is she fat" you answered "she is super hot."

Seems like she is still the woman you married.

As such, you have broken the marital contract and are in arrears, unless of course, you were a fat-ass when you married, which I doubt, but even if you were it would have been inevitable anyway, after all, no woman wants to spend her life fucking a fat man, just like no man wants to spend his life fucking a fat woman.

So, become the man you once were... even better, an improved version of him.

Make your 40's better than your 30's and give her a reason to want to fuck you passionately instead of ignoring you or worse, fucking someone else.

It's quite simple in principle though more difficult when executing.

In the meantime, worry less about her, and worry only - only - about you.

Whether she tags along or not is irrelevant. Remind yourself - each time you feel down - that you're the asshole who fucked this up - she's only reacting to natural instincts and human behavior - yet you let yourself go, you knew you were letting yourself go, and you sat idly by and let it happen.

That won't necessarily make the next few months and beyond any easier, but at least, it can help you keep things in perspective. Things are not happening "to you" they are happening "because of you."

[–]KoolAidMan79807 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

Fuck this is like reading a script of my life.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Stop bursting through people's walls yelling "Oh yeahhhhh". I don't like when juice wears tights.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Oddly, this comment is also applicable to /u/johneyapocalypse.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy


[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Imma need those tights back. Seriously.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy

I don't know what it means to give magic internet points but that was some jackten shit bud. OP you should be kissing this mans hairy bean bag for the gems he just sprinkled into your fat faggot lap. Save this and read it over and over. You fucked up, go fix it. Good luck.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Agreed. This shit is gold and what I needed to hear.

[–]RStonePT9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Hearing isn't your issue.

Doing is.

Do not be that guy who hears what he wants to hear and goes back to doing nothing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I think he is going to listen. Bet you ten internet points?

[–]RStonePT3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

what I needed to hear.

Gentlemen's bet. I've never seen these words translate into an OYS post

[–]athrowaway-90013 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not op, but thank you for sharing this wealth of knowledge.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Did you get some dick pics today or something from redsfp? These string of comments are spot fucking on.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bro. You have no idea.

[–]tom-anonymous4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy

She ran across a dude so hot earlier in the day that her vibrator wasn't enough and she needed a real dick - though didn't have the time to get a real dick - and yours was nearby.

My thoughts exactly here. My wife hit me up on the night she first crossed the line with her co-worker on his last day at the job. It just so happened to be the day she was ovulating also. I also turned her down because I wasn't feeling good, and she reacted the same way.

If this is the case, then OP has a problem. She will use this incident as one of the cases in point when she starts to rewrite history of their relationship. She can now say to herself "See that! I get turned down the one time I tried to initiate! We're just room-mates!".

She now has the rationalization in her head that cheating would be justified.

Johney A is such a beautiful man who see's the code in the Matrix.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Something to keep in mind, but I have a plan in place for this scenario as well. Sorry that happened to you dude.

[–]tom-anonymous5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

Thanks man. When this happened to me 7 months ago I was ill equipped to handle it (was before RP). Definitely not where you're at now. Good luck...

[–]SmoovMove[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

How did you handle it? Mentally I'm in a place where I would be ready to tell her to pack her shit, but not far enough along in RP to make the most of being single.

[–]tom-anonymous3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

My problem was that I jumped the gun too soon. I should have kept an eye on it and waited and allowed her obsession to play out. When I saw she was checking this guys FB account (and his wife's) every hour and driving by his house 5-10 times per day on GPS I confronted her on it.

She trickled truth lied for 2 more weeks until I got the entire story. At the end of the day, I found enough evidence that a little attention from this dude caused her to go into stalker mode and she either fucked him or very least tried to before I found out. I'll never know 100% and I don't care. To me intent is the same.

I started lifting on day 1, lost 40 lbs. For months I was a bad ass with a paper bag frame inside. At the time I was desparate not to lose her, but at the same time I refused to appear weak and needy. At the same time I was rationalizing in my head that what she did wasn't as bad as actual cheating, however I was still angry as fuck that she did it. I also blamed myself for 100% of it because I neglected her. So I lived a while as Jekle and Hyde. Perfect husband one moment, only to become irate whenever she triggered me or I started thinking about things.

She became the perfect and submissive wife over the past few months, but it was too late. No matter how much I was to blame for being a faggot, once it happens it's never the same. I just couldn't look at myself in the mirror and see that guy who was married to a cheating wife.

I told her this week that it was over. She's desperately begging me to stay but it's as if I don't care anymore. I see a life without her and I'm excited about it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is had I waited and actually verified she was fucking him, allow it to play out, then I wouldn't have allowed my hamster to run for so long. It would have been so much easier to pull the trigger. However then it wouldn't have lead me to here, so I guess there's a reason for everything.

[–]SeamusAwl3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Leaving now and not doing the work will not end well for you. Its easy to just quit and start over compared to working on yourself while preparing for singlehood before you pull that trigger. Obviously if she is actively cucking you, give her the walking papers post haste.

It is better to use her to sharpen your skills, strengthen your frame, and improve yourself. If she changes her tune (like mine did) then she can stay. If not, she can go. The important thing is you are improving your life and that you can and will leave to continue improving your life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Shit, he might have helped write it. I think hes old.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Goddamm're pretty spot on with this.

Yes, I just turned 40 and the wife isn't too far behind. I was a 260lb fat fuck when we met, got my shit together and got down to 200, then let myself go as I became a lazy self loathing beta. While my wife makes good money, I pull about 4x what she does. And yes, I just mostly finance her life style.

I felt much better this morning, so I did a hard reset. Woke up in a good mood, made it clear that I dont give a fuck about her tirade last night, and slapped her on the ass as I walked out the door for gym and work. She has the most confused look on her face and in a sheepish way just said "have a....great day?" I just replied "that's the plan."

I dont expect a porn set sex life at this point...I wouldnt want to fuck me either. But this is behavior I havent seen from her before so I was a bit confused. I'm also starting to get some sabotage behavior from her....she tries to get me to skip gym time frequently, and attempts to get me to eat shit that isn't on my keto diet, or eat outside my fasting window. This is new too, but I swat it down and stick to my plan.

I'm under no illusion that this is not all my fault, but I cant help but be curious as to what her hamster is spinning up. I know I need to get out of her frame, and that's still something I'm focusing on being 11 weeks in. I know this is going to take a long time.

Btw- I appreciate the Zoolander reference.

Thank you for your words of wisdom, Morpheus.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

"have a....great day?"

Thats fucking hilarious. I know you can't just "do this" but you need to pretend she is dead. She doesn't fucking exist in your mind, you need to focus on yourself. If you step into her mind, smack yourself and do 10 pushups.
Start learning how to meditate right now. Learn to control your mind like harry fucking potter when Voldemort was trying to break into his head and fuck with him, she is like Voldemort now. Don't speak her name, don't let her thoughts or emotions penetrate your brain just get to fucking work! Anything you learn inside her head will be used to harm you and your loved ones.

Once you become the man you need to be, everything will just work out because you will be the prize. Either she will be there sucking your cock or 10 other girls will be ready to. Right now, she is the prize and you are just a fat guy sugar daddy she doesn't even have to fuck. Just thinking about you makes me a little angry and I need to go lift weights. You should have zero problem with motivation. Raw anger fuel for at least 6 months.

Sounds far fetched, but you can be having porn star sex bud. 9 months ago my wife was losing attraction and didn't wanna fuck me either. Now its sex on demand and I get pretty much whatever I want.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice man. I'll keep your success in mind.

I have no problem with motivation. I've upped gym time to 5 days a week, focusing more time on my hobbies, improving social life. I'm tired of being fucking miserable and I'm not going to live out the 2nd half of my life this way.

I'm giving it a year...if she doesnt fall in line and sex isn't on tap by then, then I will move forward without her.

[–]jjj25760 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The HP metaphor is rad.

[–]lololasaurus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I often appreciate your posts.

This is another example of why.

Well said.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP, 11 weeks in, You’re still fat, and thinking about throwing in the towel?

Become Chad, STFU, and then make a decision

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The part where she goes to watch her shows confirms everything you said /u/johneyapocalypse

She wanted to put him back in his beta place and bask in the Housewives of __________

[–]OsmiumZulu14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy

She knows you are sick and initiated anyway, ultimately resulting in you rejecting her. Perhaps she will attempt to hold it over you in the future.

“Of course I never make a move, last time I tried you were a huge jerk and told me no!”

Or something like that.

What should you do?

Nothing. Keep STFU.

Is your wife being a tool? Sounds like it. Doesn’t matter right now, dwelling on it will only derail your progress.

Ignore it. Focus on getting better and back on track with self improvement. This won’t matter a bit in the long run.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

Got it. My hamster is trying to spin up reasons why she would do this. Ignore and move on.

[–]OsmiumZulu4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Maybe she has a puking kink.

There are a thousand reasons why she may have done this. Perhaps the Occam’s Razor answer is that she is simply being a woman and not acting rationally. Wouldn’t be the first time, won’t be the last time.

Regardless of her reasoning (or lack their of) your best play is still to become attractive and to stop being unattractive.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Agreed. I intend to get well and get back to the gym asap.

[–]Cam_Winston21[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good, but the gym builds muscle, it's you putting down the fork that will get rid of the fat. Heal first, then stop eating so much. Visit the fasting subs and act accordingly. You got this.

[–]EasyDaysHardNights2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

No matter how much your hamster wants to fuck her hamster, stay out of her head.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

You won you idiot. Keep it up. Little by little. Inch by inch.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good STFU there. No point arguing with her hamster. Get better, reset tomorrow morning, and enjoy the grind.

[–]jdogworld3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

2x in a year?

[–]SmoovMove[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yes. Its pathetic I know.

[–]jdogworld2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Are you initiating and she is rejecting you?

[–]SmoovMove[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yes. Hard no's are consistent and with varying excuses.

I've been unattractive for a long time. So it's my fault.

[–]SeamusAwl1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Its your fault in as much as you allowed yourself to become a fat unattractive beta. But let me tell you that even physically attractive men get into dead bedrooms. Mostly because their wives dont want the guilt of cheating on their boyfriends.

From what I have noticed, those are the only two causes of a wife refusing sex. Most times its a combo of the two.

[–]marv86kw1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Interesting, cheating on boyfriend with husband. Could you expand?

[–]SeamusAwl2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its the AF/BB and their unrestrained hypergamy at play.

She wants to think she is a good person (they are solipsistic afterall). While she is cheating on her husband, she wont have sex with her husband because she wants to remain faithful to that other guy. So in her own female logic she is still a good person and not a cheater. Meanwhile she is still extracting resources from her husband while extracting DNA from her boyfriend.

[–]RedPillGlasses3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’m going to take a positive spin on this.

You’ve lost SIXTY fucking pounds. Right off, huge props, you’re in the zone man, and you’re grinding hard, nice job.

Your SMV has dramatically increased at this point. Even if you used to be a 2 hot, you’re now a 4 hot. Wifey is recognizing that, comes home thinking “He does look A LOT better, maybe I do want to fuck him? I dunno, I’ll try it and see how it goes.”

And it just was bad fucking luck that you were sick, and in her mind “I gave him a chance, and he TURNS ME DOWN?!?!? FUCK HIM, whatever I don’t even care.”

A lot of commentators are stating this is a shit test, mind game, whatever. Here’s the thing though.

You two have fucked TWICE in a YEAR. She literally does NOT care enough about you to even GIVE you a shit test. Nor should she (as you well know).

My personal advice? Your wife fucking initiated sex with you man. That’s a huge step in the right direction. But it’s ONLY ONE STEP. The road to a better man is long and hard, keep at it.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This was my confusion....was this a shit test or a response to my RP work? In the end, I suppose I just shouldn't give a fuck and stick to the plan.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, should have shit on her chest.

I mean come on. Do you not know who John McAfee is?

[–]screechhaterRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

STFU at advanced is just as powerful at the beginning levels.

It’s important to realize the power of stoicism in relation to a manipulative hateful cunt steering you in the direction to most benefit her needs. Aka you living and operating in her frame.

Ya. There is some writing on the wall, but it’s up to you to put a plan into action and execute it.

Good luck. All the info you need is in the sidebar

[–]SmoovMove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm still in the process of building my own frame and getting out of here. It's a process, but I refuse to relent.

[–]mrbadassmotherfucker2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Don't listen to what she says, watch what she does. Looks like she's proper butt hurt thay she's losing her little blue boy beta baby and can't order you to do what she wants anymore.

Stay on track, if she falls in line then great, if not, fuck it.

Sounds like you're doing a good job bro. Keep it up

[–]SmoovMove[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks man. I'm sticking to the plan and the sidebar.

[–]RedPillGlasses2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In a certain light, this is a good situation to be in. A lot of aspiring red pill guys get sex taken away from them when they start trying to take the reins.

The rejection can be a little hard to swallow physically, emotionally and mentally.

It’s MUCH easier just to go back to “being a good boy” and begging for whatever level of sex they used to have.

You two literally NEVER have sex, so her pussy has very little power over you.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

So update....she just text me a nude and asked me if I could come home for lunch.

This has literally never fucking happened before. I dont know what to think.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

I would text back "Nice tits". I wouldn't go home for lunch, tell her to come meet you and fuck in a car or something. Make it hard for her not you.

My wife used to do this shit to me. I would get nudes and texts all about how she wanted to fuck me, and then she would shit test me until I failed and got no sex and some blue balls.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Ok. Pretty much what I did. I get 90 minutes for lunch and the drive home would be nearly an hour anyway.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Get your shit together and prepare for a shot storm of tests. Do you ever just leave and go do something if she is being a bitch?

[–]SmoovMove[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I didnt used to, but now I do. Now I have the gym, the motorcycle I'm building, music to go play, plenty of reasons to vanish for something to do.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Building a bike? You can't fail. Carry on.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I grew up in a custom bike shop, so it's kind of my thing.

She made me give up riding years ago. Fuck that....I miss it. Shes not happy about it either.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

made me give up riding

You just broke my heart. I hope you now know how wrong those words are, on how many levels.

[–]cdnrpc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My take....

A) she see's you improving, so checking if she still has power over you or if these improvements are evidence you're checking out. Kind of a sexual compliance test..

B) she's actually horny for you.

I'd initiate after work on your terms, if she's in to it then A. If not, then it's B and you should go build your bike.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Bitches be crazy. I couldn't imagine living with a woman I didn't get to fuck on the regular, they go nuts. Just shut the fuck up for now.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Roger that.

[–]SeamusAwl2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You go nuts as it is a slow rotting cancer to your soul. Blue pilled betas cannot understand why the woman they married and work so hard to provide for and make happy refuse to have sex with them. Each rejection takes a nibble and the rare pitty sex takes a giant bite out of their souls. Especially when the wife relents by giving you access to her vag, but you must use 15 gallons of lube due to the fact she is so dry it becomes a moisture wicking black hole. Then 2 minutes in she asks if you are almost done or stops it all together because it hurts. The cherry on top is when you actually can finish and she immediately jumps up with a disgusted look on her face and immediately showers.

But there is hope for guys like the OP. Swallow that jagged painful pill and get to working on yourself. Get stronger physically, mentally, and emotionally. A good/great sexlife will return. With or without the wife.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's the plan. STFU, gym, improve.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

She shit tested you when you had the shits, just after you got off the shitter.

Man, that has to be the ULTIMATE shit test.

[–]SmoovMove[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It was the shittiest shit test ever.

[–]IntelligentSpeaker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]peaceandlug0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No shit.

[–]redwall920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Initiate when it can't happen.

Second only to the "Do you want a hug?" when kids are around.

[–]CrazyLemonLover0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

This is a simple one. The next time you initiate, she now has the "perfect" excuse.

"I wanted sex at X time and you said no. Obviously im trying to have sex"

It's a very common manipulation technique from a lower libido partner in relationships with a dead bedroom. Get ready to fight

[–]redwall920 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Wrong wrong wrong. It's already the past.

If he brings this past interaction into each future initiation he attempts, he's doomed to failure.

[–]CrazyLemonLover0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. I misworded that a bit. What I should have said was, expect her to use it whenever she can as an excuse to get out of sex/ start a fight.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Would have been pretty sweet if you called her on it and fucked the shit onto her.

[–]SeamusAwl0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Still would have been starfished sex and it would set him back. Its better for him to just refuse and keep working on himself.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed, was joke

[–]weakandsensitive-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hey dumbass - you got punked.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh no! They downvoted you! Whatever will you do?

Looks like some sensitive betas don't like the truth.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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