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To women, men are all just losers until proven otherwise

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October 4, 2019

I’ve come to the conclusion that women really think consciously or subconsciously that all men are losers. Women can be attractive, men must make themselves appear attractive. Without validation of their truths, men are just potential in the woman’s eyes, regardless if empty or full.

What I don’t understand even after being here for some time, reading the sidebar, reading the newbie intro... is why sex is more of a reward to women than the goal. For men, sex is often the end goal. For women, sex is a side effect. And women win, because most men have to kowtow and treat sex as if it is a side effect as well, thereby submitting himself to her self absorbed view of human interaction — or even at some mutually beneficial middle in an ideal world. I don’t really understand biologically where it comes from: women’s self defense? Using only their lizard brain when it comes to male approaches? Complete and utter disgust of the male half of the species? Intentional cock blocking? I don’t know.

I just thought I’d share this, regardless of how well known it already is in the RP world, which I still work towards. It just seems like everything has to be a struggle these days to experience sex.

PS in my journey towards RP, I am strictly within the lifting and getting fit stage. I’ve made a few attempts at gaming different women but the confidence isn’t there yet.

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Title To women, men are all just losers until proven otherwise
Author -carlosgatos
Upvotes 61
Comments 23
Date 04 October 2019 10:42 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]thrwy75479101 points102 points  (3 children) | Copy

They're the selectors in the mating game because they carry the baby. They get to decide whose cum goes into their pussy.

This is why they have to be critical of who they mate with, and why he must carry the markers of a fit male specimen before she'll mate with him. Fitness is determined by various factors: physique, appearance, wealth, power, status; the oft mentioned Sexual Market Value (SMV).

On her side, her looks, and social reach largely determine her limitations within the time frame available to her, i.e., the size and quality of her mating pool is affected by how hot she is, and how many guys she can be available to while she's in her peak years.

Suppose you're good at basketball. You're at the park playing with some friends, and some guy sitting on the bench keeps talking shit. He's saying he's better than Michael Jordan. You look at him, and it seems like he's got the physique.

He's passed the visual test, but how're you going to know if he can actually play basketball as well as he claims? Are you going to take him at his word, and give him a trophy?

No. You'll call him out to play. You'll test him. That's the only way to know.

It's the same for girls. They're not disgusted by guys, they only want to know what they're made of before they spread their legs. To figure that out, they have to test.

[–]s4schroeder10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perfectly said

[–]goldenshoelace85 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was explained perfectly

[–]anotherchump993 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great analogy

[–]MR_SKINNYPENIS6915 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Most men are losers. Honestly, I take a 5 minute walk anywhere in town and I see most men are fat, unattractive, downtrodden, and the kind of person I would never dream of envying, even if they have a great job and money they're still not someone I would want to switch places with. They all just completely let themselves go and put zero effort in. It makes me depressed. On the plus side, not much competition.

When I see an alpha guy who has his shit together it always puts a smile on my face. I think "good for you, bro."

[–]anotherchump992 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. Especially when most women put in some kind of effort to increase their SMV through fashion sense, make up, conversation skills and body figure.

Not surprising why some men stay single

[–]Haytch12348 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy

Its actually the other way around.

Why do you think theres a big emphasis on not disclosing too much? So you maintain the mystery.

By saying you are a loser by default will mean you have to prove yourself to the girl.. In other words pedestalise her. You should NOT be doing this.

If men were to disqualify themselves, its because of saying dumb shit whilst disclosing too much to prove yourself to a female due to a lack of confidence.

Women by default see men as potential tools and means to an end. What that means to an end is will be determined by who you are as a person . A simp, low value and eager to please. Or a guy that goes his own way and operates in his own frame and if a girl would like to tag along then she can do so.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K182 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This guy gets it

[–]i-wish-i-could-code 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy

Ironically, by purposely maintaining a mysterious persona you are also attempting to prove yourself whilst being in denial about it. Every action a man takes ultimately comes down to sex. Even if you fool yourself into believing you're "going your own way", it's not true. The end goal is still sex.

[–]Haytch12340 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

And by maintaing the mystery you actually get laid. Unlike what OP proposes.

[–]i-wish-i-could-code 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

Mystery can be a part of attracting a woman, but it's not the be-all and end-all. What OP 'proposes' is 100% correct. A man certainly must take action in order to impress women, that's just common sense. It seems like you competently misunderstood the point of the post which was more of a question than a proposal, and are instead for some reason defending your lone wolf "mysterious" lifestyle. High value women caught on to the mysterious act ages ago, it's all about verifiable proof of value. That means status symbols, physique, and charisma. Can mystery help? Sure, but you are way overvaluing that tactic, and you need at least one of the three aforementioned traits to pull it off. It's a secondary thing to consider at best.

[–]Haytch12341 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

😂😂😂😂. Where did I defend myself? Chill out bud. I think you misunderstood me.

If you are confident in yourself and your skin, you wont need to prove shit. Its not about acting mysterious. Its about still retaining an air of mystery because you arent eagerly trying peacock yourself.

Being confident in yourself works 100%. How that confident is achieved may vary. But in no way does displaying status symbols.and physique with insecurity make you attractive 😂.

[–]i-wish-i-could-code 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Once you're finished with slum trash and get to the big leagues, you'll have to be more than confident and "mysterious". A top tier woman obviously wants confidence, but she won't settle for just that. I've known actual pathetic losers who are the most confident people on the planet. Yeah, they can slay their fellow McDonalds co-workers, but they wouldn't stand a fucking chance walking into a high end club.

The reason I thought you were defensive is because you keep making absolute statements, it makes it seem like you're over-invested in your strategy. You're doing it again. Do you honestly think that status symbols and physique don't attract women? Do you realize that women judge a man the instant she sees him? No women can "see" mystery, unless you're some emo dork that likes to think he's mysterious. She also can't judge confidence. She judges your APPEARANCE first. This is a fact, and if you continue to refute it that only proves that you're so invested in this lone wolf shit because that's all you got.

[–]Haytch12340 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You are missing my point again 😂

Status symbols dont mean shit if you dont have the inner confidence.

A man that is confident and doesnt feel like he needs to peacock any achivements is going to be classified as mysterious to women. Women box men into categories. I.e. you are either an asshole or a nice guy. You are either confident or not confident. Being classified as mysterious will generally be found alongside confidence because as i said, there is nothing to prove.

Any guy that has been around women long enough knows women box guys into categories. There is no in between.

Your achievements speak for themselves. But if you are not confident you wont last long.

Wealth, physqiue etc are all achievements. These lead to confidence. As a result, your behaviour will reflect the confidence. This will mean less approval seeking behaviour and also not having to prove yourself. Because there is no need

As I mentioned , if you dont have the need to prove yourself to women you will be considered mysterious. Its not that you are trying to be mysterious. But in female language, thars what it is.

People especislly females know when you are actually not seeking approval becsuse you are confident or if you are pretending and acting 5o be confident. The former comes over time from achievements which can be anything. They do not have to be visible. She may also wonder what you are confient about.. And hence the curiousty develops. She now also considers you mysterious because she wants to know more. But because you are confident in yourself and are not trying to seek approval, your actions, what you say and how you say it will reflect this. Over time, her attraction will start to develop as she sees you are indeed confident . She may also slowly start to find out more about you without being creeped out as she gets more comfortable..It feels more natural to her. It feels alot more natural than validation seeking behaviour which is the key thing

It not about being a lone wolf or whatever bullshit you seem to think Im saying. Its about excluding validation seeking behaviour from the equation.

You seem to be missing the point I'm making and you are arguing against something completely different. Go spend more time with women 😂😂😂😂

[–]i-wish-i-could-code 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Didn't read past your second sentence. I never once said that a man doesn't need confidence, in fact I said the exact opposite, so I don't know why you are arguing that point. I said two very specific things:

  1. All roads lead to sex
  2. A man is better off showing off his high status.

You're on here arguing about points I never made. I just want you to know that you reek of low social class, you probably don't own property or anything nice so I understand why you have to keep pushing this idea that confidence and mystery are all that a man needs. The emojis don't help. I feel for you, I really do. I would suggest at the very least getting some nice fitted clothing and a nice watch. Hit the gym and get your physique in check. Live in a wealthy manner and see if it's to your liking. I personally think it's ridiculous to be so against showing off wealth, physique, and social proof. In my view, only those that don't have either of those things would ever be against it.

Good luck.

[–]Haytch12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because you keep misunderstanding what I say. You need to go hang out with women more and stop projecting your insecurity when it comes to wealth and possessions and actually go achieve something. Maybe that will actually help with your confidence and you wont find the need to overcompensate around women.

Not once did I say a man should not attain wealth, status or anything that resembles achievements and hard work. I said these should speak for themselves rather than simply talking himself up due to overcompensating. Which sounds like you.

Then again you probably have nothing to of value to talk about because based off your posts and your inability to actually read and understand what I type you go off your rails and start arguing a completely different point.

You have proven to be 100% autistic. Well done to you sir.

[–]IXseed9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women know men want sex, so that inherently gives women the power in that aspect to use sex to get what they want. The power of the pussy. Women like sex too but it's more of a risk for women as it is for men. They could end up pregnant and basically vulnerable for 9 mos while raising the kid, or it could get out they had sex with x, and cause them to lose social status. So for them to risk all that just to put your dick in her, there's gotta be something in it for her, and if it's apparent that you can't GIVE her something (sexual feelings, resources, your time if it's valuable) there's nothing in it for her. Why would she then fuck you if she's got a handful of guys that CAN give her that.?

[–]thebadguy8912 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is a great answer, and is pretty much why I skipped the whole "anger" phase of TRP. Beta me didn't have anything to offer these women. I stayed home playing computer games, worked at a job I hated, let people walk all over me. I always had this insane fantasy that once a female truly got to know me, she would fall in love with my inner self (which is heavily ironic because throughout this time I wouldn't date an ugly chick no matter how beautiful her inner self)

When I discovered TRP 3 months ago I didn't get mad at women. I thought about it from their point of view and realized how shitty of a catch I was. No muscles, no game, no confidence, no social status. I started working on all those areas and immediately I saw my results improve. Kissed/fucked more girls over the past 3 months than I did my entire life.

[–]GonadGravy4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like hearing stories like this, keep up the good work.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

In other words: Briffault's law.

[–]PolesWithGoals2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Modern society fucking blows

[–]ConspiracyPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What's the question?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women can think what they want, I don't care lol.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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