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Don't you think that TRP is attracting the wrong type of girls?

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October 9, 2019

It's something I've been thinking over and over for the past couple of days. Don't you think that the more TRPed you are, the more alpha your behaviour is, the more sexual vibes that you give, the sluttier the girls you attract are?

Esepcially if you're good-looking, and you happen to be TRPed, then girls will throw themselves at your lap just to have sex with you and then dump you. I've experienced this with a bunch of girls I've dated/fucked in the past month.

One girl was from the countryside. She's obviously inexperienced, and all the while we were hanging out, she was blushing and unable to gather her thoughts to say something meaningful because I obviously made her anxious by my teasing and kino. Eventually that night we started making out and she almost passed out. The girl lost the ability to speak and said that everything happened too fast for her. It's true that she enjoyed it, but I'm 100% sure that she got the vibes that I'm a fuckboy who fucks and dumps girls and she's just one of them. I hit her up after a few days and she ghosted me.

Another girl, a plate I fucked a few times in the last month too, just yesterday, I asked her if we could cook some rice and eat it at her apartment (she's Asian). You can argue that that was beta, and that was the point of the request: will she reject such offer and hint at staying at the plate-level, or will she take it up and actually bond some meaningful human experience? She opted for the former, and then said she's sick, she can't make it this week to which I just said to get better. In other words, she only wants to have sex, and that's not a problem in itself, but I'm feeling disgusted at myself that this is the type of girls I'm attracting, the plate-material girls.

My point is this. Confidence, game, and overall that self-centered attitude towards life is great and gives you great power in many fields in life, esepcially women and dating, but don't you guys think that in order to attract girls that are not actually crazy and neurotic you need to tone it down a notch?

Why am I saying this? Because I've seen this type of girls firsthand. As much as this sub wants to promote AWALT (I know i'm gonna get roasted for this) but women are not all like that. Some women were raised right, some women would never cheat on their boyfriends, and some women won't throw tantrums or transgress your boundaries.

Here's an example of such woman. A classmate, from Eastern Europe is dating a guy from the middle east (go figure). The guy looks like Jesus with long hair and beard, pretty masculine, been in martial arts for years so he looks great, and is a harworker at uni. He's always the guy who gives the presetnation with no notes and never take notes at lectures. You can argue he's the best guy in the room in every class and his grades are all excellent. This girl has dated him for a few months and then they became into a relationship (pretty sure they never fucked because he's religious), and I KNOW for a fact that she'd never cause him a problem like the shit discussed in this sub because his frame is rock solid and she's stable enough to not fuck it up.

I apologize for the length of the post, but these are some thoughts that must be put out there in the manosphere because I think they're pretty damn interesting.

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Title Don't you think that TRP is attracting the wrong type of girls?
Author cuztrp
Upvotes 165
Comments 126
Date 09 October 2019 12:13 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]Ohboohoolittlegirl165 points166 points  (30 children) | Copy

Again.. you guys need to learn what to take from trp and what not.

before you even start, you should assess your strengths and your weaknesses. Dive into TRP and adopt what you need to come out stronger and what you might have to rein down a little to become a stronger person. There is no black and white chad and beta.. There's Chad bejhaviour and Beta behaviour and you need to find a balance in order to be succesful in your life. If you are and agree-able person, trying to be the asshole himself is never gonna come accross Genuine.

Women want a genuine Alpha-ish guy rather than a poser. Learn what you need to adapt in order to be successful and to attract the girls you want to attract. TRP gives you tools to do something, you apply the tools.

if you apply all tools on a girl for which one would do the trick, it's your fault for not picking up on that, not TRP attracting the wrong girls.

[–]cuztrp 1 points [recovered]  (28 children) | Copy

I agree with most of what you said. TRP is a set of tools that we can use to spin plates, find an LTR or fuck other guys if we're into that. It's really up to the individual.

However, I still think that it attracts the wrong type of girls because real life isn't as TRP as you think it is. On this sub, I'm seeing such a pessimistic view on women, sometimes it's disturbing, but in real life, they're not all that bad after all. And TRP teaches you to focus on yourself and yourself only, so at some point if you internalize it too much, you'll end up lonely with no one to have geniune connection with. Especially the part that amphasizes the focus on yourself and self-improvement and stuff will surely lead you to such an end because it naturally makes you more alpha and more of a sexual prospect to women than an LTR material.

If you soft/hard next her every time she transgresses a boundary, you'll never be in a happy relationship and this is exactly my point: some women will transgress a boundary or 2 but nothing too extreme, BUT THEY WILL ALWAYS STAY LOYAL TO YOU.

Learn what you need to adapt in order to be successful and to attract the girls you want to attract.

Here is my question for you: how to meet/game LTR material girls?

[–]Ohboohoolittlegirl22 points23 points  (19 children) | Copy

How to meet them? I dunno, I find them anywhere, but I don't work with a set of criteria, but with respect, accountability etc.

TRP teaches you to treat LTR women different than a plate. TRP Allows you to set up a date with the LTR, how to get the initial attraction goind and then it's you, your personality and the deduction when you need to pay attention to something and when not.

TRP helps you with attraction and if you take it way further than that with an LTR you WILL fail. Why? Cause LTR-ing requires validation, commitment and other aspects TRP fails to addres..

But attraction works pretty much generic and should work for any girl in any setting. learn to read body language and you should be golden. Most people cannot influence their body language and therefore it's super effective to be able to read it.

[–]Bored5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP often exaggerates how 'alpha' men should be because their audience is often recovering betas at a certain stage in life. Following it too literally will end you up in the situation you're in.

[–]handfulofnuts9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

real life isn't as TRP as you think it is.

Of course it is. That’s the point of the name “TheRedPill”. TRP shows you the reality that you don’t know exists. What you do with that knowledge, however, is up to you. It’s a toolbox. Use it to bang sluts, or use it to find and keep a good girl. Or both at the same time. The fact that you think it can only be used to bang sluts means that you haven’t gone deep enough yet.

[–]Haytch123421 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol... " Attracting the wrong type of girl".

You have no idea. Girls generally reflect, act and behave based on how a guy is and treats the girl.

The same girl you see at the library assuming shes some good girl may also be a slut grinding on some dudes cock at night. And its in her best interest to ensure her slutty side is not exposed.

You can be alpha and still have a LTR. You need to balance your behaviour.. And its supposed to come naturally. This wont happen until you actually have enough confidence in yourself and know what you want in life. Girls can detect this and its why posers are eventually exposed. Just like how slutty girls are eventually exposed.

An alpha can fuck girls and have a girlfriend. A girl fucks a guy in hopes or eventually securing commitment..its up to the guy to eventually provide that commitment. If you have game you can hold a girlfriend successfully and also bang girls. But this sort of "frame" takes time to develop.

The key characteristics of a confident men attracts all girls. They are all attracted to the same qualities- Its fucking biology.

Ambition, aggression, dominance ,etc. Mate, ALL women love this shit. Some like one more than the other . Some prefer good looks or some like money etc.

They all represent masculinity, good genes and a whole bunch of other shit. All TRP is is a tool. A tool that will help you sort out the actual sluts from the not so slutty girls. Even then, a girl that isnt so slutty or is a good girl wont even be in the same vicinity as a guy that is red pill or trying to get laid so there's that aswell.

Good girls/traditional girls dont go out much. I know this because I come from an ethnic background. You wont see them and they dont draw much attention to themselves. And they are not ugly but theyre not so sexy. They are pretty/average..More wife material... They are not the type to actually go up to guys or look at them.

[–]Greek-God-Brody5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have no idea. Girls generally reflect, act and behave based on how a guy is and treats the girl

I think this is the key point response to this post. You want to be the guy she breaks her rules for. The 'good girl' will break the rules for you if you got game, the same girl will make another guy wait.

The girl is the same, your behavior is the only thing that changed.

[–]handfulofnuts2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you replied to the wrong person.

[–]QueenSlapFight5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

On this sub, I'm seeing such a pessimistic view on women, sometimes it's disturbing, but in real life, they're not all that bad after all.

And you have 15 upvotes. asktrp has really gone to shit when NAWALT is getting upvoted.

some women will transgress a boundary or 2 but nothing too extreme, BUT THEY WILL ALWAYS STAY LOYAL TO YOU.

More NAWALT. She's not yours, it's just your turn. This sub has turned bluepill.

[–]deathhandmachiavelli0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This sub has turned bluepill.

This thread got invaded by simps.

[–]BurnieSlander0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

“It” does not attract the wrong type of girls. “You” might be attracting the wrong type of girls because you don’t know yourself or how to apply TRP in a way that works for you. TRP has no power in itself- it is the application of the principles that produces results. Application is entirely up to you.

If you want high quality, learn to use your eyeballs. 80% of preselection can be done by simply observing.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've answered this before until you know what's attractive to many girls you're just guessing/"getting lucky". All girls universally have certain baselines/axioms of attraction damaged women aren't the only ones who respond to these cues of attraction.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten57 points58 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is another version of a common criticism of TRP - that it attracts "low quality women."

This is false, but is effectively a misunderstanding of symptoms and causes.

The purpose of TRP is to make you a self actualized, self confident, selfish critical thinker. When you only work on yourself and never "the relationship", you become unassailable in the sexual marketplace.

Men either have access to the casual sex game, or they don't. The collective opinion of TRP is that unless you've had access, you won't understand women. TRP is designed to give you all the tools you need to navigate the casual sex market, namely abundance of options and outcome independence.

Through the course of this journey, you will meet and fuck and date all kinds of women. Some will be quality, some will seem quality but reveal a deal breaker, some will be low quality in one way or another but still worth fucking. What you'll take away from the experience is a whole bunch of data points on personality types and the way women react to your behavior.

Once you've done the work necessary to attract the partner or partners you want, the rest is up to you. Period. TRP is not a life plan, it's not a mission. Want to have kids and get married? You're better off knowing the shit you learned here. Wanna spin plates forever? Great, you still came to the right place.

Good girls and unicorns are MADE AND MAINTAINED. We just give you the tools to do so.

[–]z2a1-91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

good shit

[–]catchmesomefeels0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's written I want to internalise this as you have. After reading the sidebar what else do I have to do to internalise trp?

[–]IR0NMAidaN0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's up to you and your specific situation/conditions to figure out the way of chad on your own.

[–]Aphthong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]KillaJewels34 points35 points  (4 children) | Copy

You'll attract all sorts of girls. If you're looking for LTR material, then you need to be screening them for must-haves and deal-breakers.

[–]cuztrp 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

what are the must-haves and deal-breakers that I should be screening them for and how to not give the wrong vibes and scare them away like I did with the girls I dated last week?

You see, my problem is not with building attraction. My problem is how to vet an LTR material girls and how to tell a girl is LTR or plate-material?

[–]KillaJewels25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hard to say. You didn't provide a whole lot of details.

Must-haves and deal-breakers are something you should be coming up with.

For example, for an LTR, must-haves for me are submissive, feminine, loyal and confident. Deal-breakers for me are entitled attitude, high maintenance, basic/uncultured, unintelligent, uneducated, no career/not career-minded, close-minded, egotistical, poor sense of humor or thin skin.

Once you identify what you want and don't want, you screen her for certain behaviors. Is she confident? Great. Is she basic (wears Uggs and has Salt Life bumper sticker)? Bye Felicia.

[–]send_it_for_the_boys0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

uggs ,bumper sticker, and jeeps seem to be the only women in my area 😂😂😂

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you want him to fuck her for you too?

[–]brooklynbooked 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

" I KNOW for a fact that she'd never cause him a problem like the shit discussed in this sub because his frame is rock solid and she's stable enough to not fuck it up."

You don't know shit.

[–]TheEgyptianConqueror3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I read this and was like hmmmmmmmm, isn't this mentality the point of keeping AWALT in mind?

[–]Truedemocracy595 points96 points  (5 children) | Copy

You have a lot to learn and are missing a big component on the red pill: AWALT. Yes, some women are significantly better than others. But EVERY woman will respond positively to the same red pill traits. If they say they don’t they are either coping (ex they can’t get ripped guys so they say they like chubby ones), lying to themselves (“I’m a powerful independent woman I want an equal partner!”), or the much smaller group - women with odd fetish kinks that might light your fat hairy ass. Traits that will get you laid with all women:

  • being buff
  • dressing in a ‘sexual’ manner (shirts that fit well, give you an edge
  • escalating physically and taking chances when you get IOIs
  • maintaining frame and giving them shit for things (negging, flirting, etc)
  • being in control of everything. You lead her to the dance floor, to the next bar, to your place. If you wait for a girl to do anything you’ll get nothing
  • having interesting hobbies. Yes that nerd girl you like will still be more turned on by the biker than the video gamer
  • push & pull
  • being sexist but in a flirty way
  • understanding concepts like AF/BB, the wall, etc

The above has gotten me a slay count over 30 with the women ranging from conservative goodie two shoe Christians to feminist liberals to doctors, lawyers, athletes, and everything in between.

It works on everyone. Red pill is about female nature, not slut nature. Deep down inside all females are sluts. It’s ok, us men are too. We just are honest about it

[–]cuztrp 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I think this was the one and only useful response on this thread. Thanks a lot.

[–]Dimenzije908 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ill just add to this. Yes all women are like that but not all women will do it. Just like you will find another girl hoter than your gf but you wont cheat on her. It all comes down to responsibility which i think women need to get some. I see a lot of guys here telling its your fault if your gf cheats on you. I say it's her fault for not controlling her self (this would be in a case if you were not a beta provider to her). Other than that dont worry too much about it. Its something you cant control even the sweetest girl is a slut deep inside. Will she be only with you or other guys is up to your frame and HER. Women need to take some responsibility in this day and age.

[–]ghjklzxcv1235 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Slay count over 30 can be achieved by just spending 1-2 years in college, no need to exaggerate

[–]Truedemocracy53 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wasn’t trying to brag, just lying evidence at the feet

[–]z2a1-90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

good shit too

[–]DAOcomment212 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you're attractive you attract all kinds.

[–]revaforce7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

All kindsss -Hodgetwins ?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't you think that the more TRPed you are, the more alpha your behaviour is, the more sexual vibes that you give, the sluttier the girls you attract are?

No...... you attract ALL girls by being attractive.

then girls will throw themselves at your lap just to have sex with you and then dump you.

This is not my experience.

One girl was from the countryside

Didn't fuck her, so this is just a random girl who doesn't know what she's doing who got drunk and behaved weirdly afterwards due to confusion and inexperience. Next.

Asian/Rice offer.... In other words, she only wants to have sex,

I don't think saying "I don't want any rice right now" is her saying "let's keep it to just sex". That's a bit of a reach.

ally women and dating, but don't you guys think that in order to attract girls that are not actually crazy and neurotic you need to tone it down a notch?


All women are somewhat crazy and neurotic. If anything you need to step it UP with the more "normal" ones.

but women are not all like that. Some women were raised right, some women would never cheat on their boyfriends, and some women won't throw tantrums or transgress your boundaries.

While yes some are better than others, you are describing a female that simply doesn't exist. They will ALL cheat in the right circumstances, and they will ALL use whatever power they have to get what they want - sooner or later.

and I KNOW for a fact that she'd never cause him a problem like the shit discussed in this sub because his frame is rock solid and she's stable enough to not fuck it up.

Women are great at appearing to be pure, innocent and non-cheating. But you've not seen her drunk in a nightclub, away with the girls, or swiping on Tinder on her burner phone...

[–]deathhandmachiavelli25 points26 points  (5 children) | Copy

One of the biggest Red Pills out there is that a woman's behavior is mostly a reflection of YOU.

You are trying to blame your lack of success on TRP because you are "attracting sluts."

You are also blaming the fact that women dump you after you fuck them on TRP.

I got news for you, its YOU.

If you are doing things right, both "sluts" as you call them, and higher LTR quality girls want to spend time with you and be with you.

The fact that girls are dumping you or not wanting to be with you isn't TRP's fault.

The fact that this hot Eastern European girl is with this winner isn't TRP's failure, its your failure. She chose him.

What I really see in your post, is that you aren't getting the success that you want, because you are only attracting lower tier girls, and even those are dumping you, so you are blaming TRP.

I can tell the way that you reference TRP, that you have difficulty knowing how to apply it. I've seen tons of guys here apply TRP tactics in a robotic, practically autistic matter with no flexibility and then complain about their lack of results. Its as much as an art as it is a science. You use RP principles to be successful with ANY kind of woman.

If you aren't getting the right girls, its because YOU are not doing things right.

[–]Hungboy69694202 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep same reason a girl with be a prude and make someone wait vs giving it up early because she's very attracted

[–]DoesItMatterTooYou1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A womans behavior is only a reflection of you if you allow it. And it's not her behavior but your reaction to it that you control. Most of their bad behavior should lead to a hard next and promptly.

[–]smartfunction300 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One of the biggest Red Pills out there is that a woman's behavior is mostly a reflection of YOU.

Correct, slightly. When you eliminate things like bpd then yeah, feasibly.

[–]MisterMarbles19880 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you aren't getting the right girls, its because YOU are not doing things right.

Sidebar question: My current situation is that I can do and do get laid with high quality girls. But I'm stuck in a rut where I'll have a first date with a girl from a swipe app, a 7 or so, have a great time, nonstop fun/laughter, have amazing sex the same night, and then she will ghost me.

So obviously TRP principles are working because I'm banging attractive girls (some of them are 10-12 years younger than me) but then they want nothing to do with me. So what is going on there? Obviously I am attractive enough to fuck, but not ____ something enough to keep seeing. I'm at a loss.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's what you get from apps. She wants to keep trying the hordes of options at her fingertips.

[–]BuzzLightGear321 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy

Good girls don't let themselves be plated. TRP encourages spinning a girl as a plate before LTR'ing them. This will filter out some 'good' girls; there is an inherent selection bias with TRP.

[–]Bornagainslayer7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

Please provide evidence for this statement.

If you’ve had trouble personally plating a good girl then I believe you simply weren’t high enough value for her

[–]QawL0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"good girl" will get jealous even if you mention another girl casually. If she knows she's a plate and get attracted even more, then there is something wrong with the relationship.

But this becomes false if you're high above her status. Imagine Brad Pitt hitting on some college girl (this is not a good example considering he's married and got old but you get the point). She will throw herself in front of him even though she knows there will be no relationship.

I guess what TRP suggests is that you get your SMV up above the girls around you and

Either you spin plates


Find a LTR that matches you which is the top tier ones.

[–]BuzzLightGear321 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Ah yes the 'no true scotsman', it's not that she doesn't fuck casually, it's that you're not Chad enough to convince her. Some good girls do, some good girls don't fuck casually, nothing is 100%.

[–]Bornagainslayer2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

That’s a long way from “good girls don’t let themselves get plated” glad you clarified.

In every situation I ask myself ‘what does her behaviour tell me’ and in a case where a ‘good girl’ doesn’t want to be plated ie. will not accept non exclusivity I have to ask myself what side of the AF/BB equation she is trying to put me on and if you’re not on the AF side then yes, you aren’t chad enough to her

[–]BuzzLightGear321 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Call me naive, but I do believe that there is some small percentage of women out there that hold strong enough convictions regarding no sex before marriage (generally the ultra religious type) that they will abide by regardless of whether you are Ultra-Chad or not. My point is that TRP filters these girls out, resulting in a selective bias. Less than 1% of women fit this description.

[–]Bornagainslayer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know a few girls that saved themselves for marriage but loved getting fucked in the ass but I’m sure you’re right, there would be a couple of them out there.

I just don’t think it’s a good idea to ever forget they are still female

[–]party_dragon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Therefore to be able to recognise good girls, you need to try to plate them.

[–]idontevenlift375 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude the thing you gotta realize is most girls are sluts, some just hide it or only embrace it with the guys they want to. Some girls are always like that, and for other girls it just depends on the guy, the timing, and her emotions. Women are not conditioned to love you in the way that you love them. It’s simply not in their nature. Women are going to be more slutty with the men who make them wet, it’s as simple as that. If it isn’t you, it will just be someone else. If you want to believe that there are good decent women out there, there’s nothing wrong with that in itself. My parents have been happily married for my entire life, so I can at least understand why you want to believe that. But if you’re going to use that reasoning as your main purpose in life, you have missed the point of TRP entirely.

[–]Theorymeltfool13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Uh, yeah, which is why you DON’T have to stick your dick in every girl that gives you attention. For fucks sake. Use that confidence to attract women who are better and more suited for an LTR if that’s what you want.

[–]Kabuki4313 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women will try to fit and adapt to the role of the man they are attracted to. For example

One of my plates is in a serious relationship with a guy, I'f you look at her social media, she's always cooking, cleaning doing wifey stuff. No slutty behavior and wearing decent clothes etc.

When shes with me it's 180° turn in her personality. Everything is pure sexual behavior, from jokes to clothing. Plus she was a model so theres that.

So my take is you attract the vibe you give out and women will try to fit it.

[–]pinaplejoose3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have you read Mark Manson's Models of Attraction? He talks about genuine connection with girls. Basically by putting forth your beliefs and values and demonstrating vulnerability by opening up, then usually they follow suit. I found this to be an effective way of keeping positive influences in my life by rejecting the ones that dont match my expectations.

[–]asorals4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

After taking the pill you just realise that there aren't many girls that are LTR worthy. To me that's all it comes down to. It's not that we're attracting the wrong women, we're just attracting women in general, and the majority aren't fit to be LTR status.

[–]notpahimar3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP denies the existence of types of girls. TRP says that all girls are fundamentally the same.

[–]nobody_thinks4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

there are some valid points here.

there are basically two parts of TRP: one is a degenerate "fuck everything" PUA mentality. The other is a masculine, self-centered, self-improvement mentality.

the PUA "fuck everything" degenerate mentality is ... well ... degenerate.

[–]furcryingoutloud6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

TRP students seem to think that any blue activity is a sin punished by the RP gods. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I asked her if we could cook some rice and eat it at her apartment (she's Asian). You can argue that that was beta

Why on god's green earth would that be beta?????? This is exactly where kids fail with TRP. I love to cuddle, hear their sob stories, tell them stories, watch a movie, open a door for them, give them my jacket if they are cold, cook breakfast for them. I don't do dinners because I suck at cooking, but I can whip up an awesome breakfast of pancakes, eggs and sausages, LOL. And you bet your sweet cheeks I use that to the full extent of wooing women to want to come back.

In order to be successful in life, you need to strike a balance. Yes, in TRP as well. It's no wonder why people come here, read about TRP and walk away disgusted with the supposed teachings. If you follow the TRP tenets to the letter, you're not going to be an alpha, you're going to be an asshole.

Respect, this is the key. Respect for yourself. You have to earn your own respect before you can expect someone else to respect you. You have to be willing to rub their back before you can expect someone to rub yours. You have to give women something to love you for, and disdain and dryness isn't going to cut it for long even if you're an adonis.

Many of you youngsters confuse respect with fear. Many of you instill fear in women, and call it respect. It's sad really, because deep down, you're only trying to get some pussy, and when it backfires, you wind up going full blue and lead hapless, dead bedroom lives.

[–]smhfamswag0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I agree there should be a balance, but all that shit you said you liked doing is straight BLUE PILL SIMP SHIT.

[–]furcryingoutloud2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I'm sure you kill it with the ladies way more than I ever have too.

[–]TheEgyptianConqueror2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think for most guys it is, but imagine a guy who likes doing that stuff, but holds frame like a mother fucker when real shit happens. Girl knows he's a "gentleman," but also knows his boundaries and where she'll end up if she fucks with him. I personally wouldn't advocate for this behavior, but it can work for the right guy, and if it's stupid but works...

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[–]dxbfmby2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There’s a difference between TRP-influenced frame and being a Chad.

If you’re at the stage of slaying copious amounts of cheap slut pussy, you’re making great progress, but you’re not in control of your frame (/personality) enough to be getting the higher SMV women who consider you more than a dick appointment. You don’t have to be an unbreakable douche if you want these women.

Of course it’s all on a spectrum. I went from what I’d call “emotional fuckbuddies” (regular dating and ‘cute’ times but lots of sex and no commitment) with extremely high-value western women in Hong Kong (young bankers, lawyers, senior English teachers, and two ‘Instagram models’) to tramp-stamped hoes in Thailand because I changed my environment and the women that center in that environment.

If you want to be more than a plate to them, you need to give subtle indicators from the offset that you’re a man of substance that can also deliver Grade A cock with no beta implications of attachment.

[–]SeasonedRP2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, RP behavior attracts all kinds of women, including the wrong types. With experience, you learn to identify and avoid those types if you are looking for more than a hook up.

[–]shadowofdoubt132 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Youre getting buyer’s remorse. The girl feels cheated because you exploited the attraction to try and seduce her too quickly. Youre compromising comfort levels. Slow it down when making out. You have to deescalate and escalate.

[–]YesIveReadTheSideBar2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rollo talks about this in the rational male. He says something along the lines of “a good plate spinner knows when to spin and when not to spin a plate. They know which ones are worth spinning and which ones aren’t.” Something to that effect.

If you’re unhappy with the results then why’re you entertaining these plates? Don’t game women who aren’t worth gaming. Your RP lifestyle and game skills will work for the non sluts too. I’m not sure how long you’ve been looking into and learning about TRP but I feel as though you need to do some reading. I regularly spin and rotate through plates I wouldn’t consider to be sluts. Sure I game sluts and practice cold approach etc on them to work on my skills but that doesn’t mean I’m over here complaining about the quality of women I’m gaming. To me that doesn’t make sense and maybe that’s the true issue here. I might not see your point. From what I have gathered though you just need to shift focus to women you want to spin.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sure I see where you are coming from. There are some issues with it though. First of all, you assume all women are like that and prepare for the worst because assuming the opposite will see you emotionally scarred and taken unawares by the cruelty of your partners. Some people out there are great.

The best rule I ever heard is that you can totally trust 5% of all employees. 5% you can never trust, 90% you have to watch anyways because given the opportunity, sometimes some of them will break rules.

You don't know that woman with the guy with a solid frame and how stable she is. If you do, there are a hundred situations she could get into [probably could be smart and avoid most of them all the time, that would be an excellent human] where she would have the opportunity to step out in some way. Doesn't mean it will happen, but it is possible and you prepare for that.

Those women that don't want to be with you, that's alright man, sure they were attracted to you because of the way you caught them, the place and time you caught them, and then they altered the way they felt about you quickly or slowly over time as they experienced more deeply 'who you are as a man.' They don't want to be with who you have shown them you are.

That's okay. Date more women, 30 or more and you might find 2 that are not only interested in dating you but worth dating and being with for longer periods of time. These women, most women [the other 28] might do more 'friendly' things with you but you should work on that pretty early if that's what you want. I get that many people don't just want fuck buddies, I typically want to be more of a FWB as soon as possible because one of my major enjoyments in life is getting to know people, women especially because deeper knowledge leads to deeper intimacy. It's not the sex specifically, it's being around them and the enjoyment of the woman in all ways.

Now, I'm a year shy of being two decades into being sexually active. I dated mostly trash women and so I know where you are coming from. Good ones are in places where good ones congregate. Maybe it's the pool you are fishing in, TRP doesn't really teach you how to gather high value women, it just teaches you how to talk to them. So go out there and network for work, chase your passionate hobbies. Go out there and travel and engage with strangers. Go to wealth building seminars or environmental or political rallies.

Go engage with the world in the elevated ways that you want your world to be, talk to the women at those things and draw women out from pools of smart, like minded individuals.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

didn’t read ur post just the title, but this is all you will ever need for trp or anything like it.

NUMBER 1. lift weights

Number 2. Don’t be needy.

Number 3. Get money.

Number 4. Repeat step 1.


[–]red_philosopher1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Read this post in TRP:

Chances are you just aren't investing enough to maintain them.

(Stupid automoderator. . .)

Edit: replaced link.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Use to post links

[–]red_philosopher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I suppose that would be ideal.

[–]MatSapientia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Redpill basics holds AWALT.

What people here often mix up with TRP is game. Game for a slut (default game for liberal society) is different to virgin game, different to religious game.. each culture has its own differences. The vast majority on this sub aim for plate material aka sluts. These aren’t LTR material. Sluts on feminism, femaledatingstrategy subs, Tindr are mostly plate material. RPW may have a decent amount of quality women.

So in this context, yes, game in TRP sub attracts sluts, cheaters and damaged goods. But TRP holds true for AWALT. While game is very contextual and variant.

[–]bobjoe1771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds to me like you're expecting a sharp delineation between LTR and Plate material. I think that the truth is that all behaviors occur on a spectrum, and that it may not be as much a matter of the kind that of girl you're attracting as it is the kinds of behaviour you're expecting. One of the most important things I've learned from TRP is not to look at external entities such as girls or TRP as the causes of my dissatisfaction. It's been much more effective to look at myself and try to confront what it is that I've done wrong and how I can improve.

[–]majani1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, super low n-count women and super religious women take a bit more time to game than your average westernised woman. The only catch is, there's no surefire way to tell if she's truly in those categories, or she's just friend zoning you. You're gonna have to roll the dice in these circumstances, but I'd advise against going into full appeasement mode. You could just stay alpha but be willing to play the long game.

[–]frontiermarine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The thing is TRP brings out the 'slutty' nature in ANY girl. The shy conservative christian chick that fucked you on the first date like a porn star is wifey material to another guy's eyes who has no idea about game and thinks she's not like that.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

This is the classic beta move where instead of admitting that he has a viewpoint the person pretends that they are a super rational pragmatic utilitarian while displacing the belief onto a person or object

Once the belief is displaced the person doesn't have to take responsibility for it.

So for example: I'm not a racist it's just this is a white only neighborhood In this example the person projects his racism onto the neighborhood so he doesn't have to be responsible for it.

So that's exactly what's happening here you want to tone down and cuck your masculintity but not because you belive it but because of women. Not only are you a beta you are hiding behind an idealized view of women so you don't have to confront your own beliefs, and can blame it on someone/something else.

[–]cuztrp-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

It could be that, or it could be that being sexual with women from the start isn't really the right way to attract good traditional girls? Maybe holding strong eye contact, giving sexual vibes and letting her know that you want to fuck her brains out is the same as a girl grinding all over you and wanting you to fuck her which in TRP terms make her a slut?

You think I'm a cuck or a beta just because I questioned the authenticity of TRP? I thought asktrp was a place to discuss the theory and different viewpoints concerning TRP not to call each other names and labels. I've been using TRP game to attract girls in bars and social circles, but I keep noticing girls (not the ones that only want to fuck) running away from me after the first date. It could be me, I agree. But it could also be me escalating relentlessly, kissing her on the first date, wanting to fuck her, the entire "make her wet" scenario could have scared good quality girls from me just because I was masculine and alpha.

I see your next comment laughing about me claiming to be masculine and alpha and probably going as far as calling me a cuck, that's okay. I know who I am, what I have so far achieved with girls, and where I want to take it from here. What I thank TRP for is teaching me how to not be anyone's bitch, especially women of all people. I don't end up in the BB side of things in my future relationships. My soft nexts will be much better adjusted to the transgress of the girl, I'll improve myself in TRP area basically.

TRP has been an eye-opening experience, but I think I'm on the verge of finally going my own way concerning this modern sexual strategies thing.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

Now I definitely know that you are a beta male because you are offended and are pushing bourgeois morality word police.

Next nothing you said directly refutes what I wrote it's just frenic word vomit that doesn't address the underlying issues and serves to distract from them.

What I want to know is:

Why would an alpha male hide behind word salads and care about what language other men use?

[–]cuztrp 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

You're obsessed with whether I'm an alpha or beta based on the way I'm talking instead of actually discussing the topic of the thread which is whether TRP attracts the wrong type of girls or not? A topic I tackled in my previous comment.

Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound?

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

It doesn't matter what a beta male says only the fact that he's a beta. The purpose of the Red Pill is to unfag dudes not entertain their faggot musings.

And yes the topic of whether the Red Pill attract the wrong kind of women was discussed, the itself topic is a symptom of beta male transference.

[–]cuztrp 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy


[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Since at this point you have made it clear that you belive the red pill is a silly sandbox for the entertainment of beta males and not a tool for pulling them out of their situation it is clear to me that you don't belong here.

Let's see if my colleagues agree with me on the issue.

[–]TRPCops[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

We'll start with a temp ban. Thanks for notifying

[–]BeeBopJoe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You attract more girls in general, its just that the slutty ones are generally more proactive/aggressive in their pursuit.

[–]skuttt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your argument that AWALT is wrong is that a woman is behaving like all women would when dating an alpha? I’m confused.

[–]SonOfMammon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any girl who puts out is the right kind of girl. You don't look for LTRs, you let them come to you, when the girl is right.

[–]MisterRoid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Does the right kind of girl even exist?

[–]mickey__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So, what's your story? How did you end up here? Have you had 'game' before you came here?

[–]cluelessguitarist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You attract what you are, sounds hippiesh and stuff but is true

[–]PIGamer860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

“The Red Pill” is a set of tools. Different tools will help you complete different jobs.

[–]MR_SKINNYPENIS690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I live in South East Asia, specifically Indonesia. White people here are called "bule".

Being a bule instantly raises your SMV by at least 2 points.

There are women known as "bule hunters". These women only date bule and are often slutty and money obsessed. Bule who marry a bule hunter often have a very stressful and BP marriage. I've seen it plenty of times.

I've never even slept with a bule hunter, despite many opportunities. I've slept with a lot of women here, but I am good at navigating the dating field and not going with women who just like me because I'm white. It's about who you choose to spend time with.

Being RP and raising your SMV expands your options with most types of women. Being RP will attract more women than not; it's the best way to attract the largest pool of women. You can use your wisdom and wits to stay away from bad women and choose the good ones. My N count could probably be double if I never did this but my life would be a lot more stressful. Personally I believe its important to have standards and not fuck every woman you are able to. Does that mean I haven't fucked whores? Of course not. I've had some great one night stands with slutty women, and I've even paid and fucked a hooker who once propositioned me while I was drunk and horny in a bar. But I stay away from women who give me a bad feeling.

Use your wits.

[–]KarmicPrism0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Shouldnt the goal be to try to attract the exact woman YOU want? TRP can help with the task but it doesn't make your dating choices for you. You're the only one in charge/responsible for choosing the woman you wish to be involved with. Choose wisely.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't you think that the more TRPed you are, the more alpha your behaviour is, the more sexual vibes that you give, the sluttier the girls you attract are?

All girls are slutty, for the right guy.

That is what an alpha does, it brings forth their sexuality. Your problem is you don't see good girls as sexual beings. Madonna complex.

That eastern european girl you mentioned as a special snowflake is probably licking that guy's asshole while wearing a dog collar leash and an inflatable dildo up her ass and screaming 'spank me daddy'. And that is why she is such a good girl, satisfied, loyal and radiating happiness.

There is a direct correlation between how slutty a woman is to how happy she is. But only for the right guy. Also to note, a woman's sluttiness is always relative to her previous self, not to other women. She is always looking to have her boundries pushed, and that is your role in the relationship. If she is slutty from the beginning, it's because of previous guys.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No idea. I wasn't attracting any girls before, so it's definitely a step in the right direction. So I just assume ALL women are like that, and take what I can get.

It's been going swimmingly.

[–]blimpette0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Be a slut, attract sluts.

[–]CasaDeFranco0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are the company you keep.

If you spin say three plates you’re spending several hours a week with whores.

Eventually you realise that you’re wasting ones time in the pursuit of nothing but a series of disposable relationships with sluts.

TRP advocates spinning plates, eventually found this to be a significant time investment for little reward. I’d rather lift, or go for a run; have a round of golf with an advisor or to be honest work.

[–]Anasthaesium0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Didn't read the whole thing but I got the gist.

Short answer - not necessarily.

I have dated 68 women. 5 of them were conservative and non slutty. With notch count less than 5 overall.

That being said, I know that even the high quality women - in this day and age court and flirt with orbiters just enough to keep them orbiting - thanks to the internet.

Trp (look good, smell good, talk good, fuck good) works very well across all women.

If you are finding only low quality women - you aren't using social circle or day game.

Nightclub game and OLD is leaning extremely towards the low quality women.

So your answer is - date more through social circle and day game. Put in the numbers. The % of LTR quality girls imo out there is close to 3% out of all the first dates you will go on

[–]thebadguy890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If by wrong type of girl you mean the hottest bitches I've smashed in my life, one of which is taking the bus 3 hours just to see me, I'll take it. Woe is me.

[–]frognads0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Swallowing the red pill doesn't mean becoming a chad. I attract a good variety of girls, definitely not the jordie shore/jersey shore types (not attracted to them anyway). I'm still attracted to the same kinda girls I was before, I'm just now actualy capable of fucking them lol.

[–]Watson_A_Name0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This thread is a revelation. I've been trying to tell my male friends lately that TRP isn't all bad, and I'm trying to use it to strengthen my character and make myself better with women. All they could see was the misogyny. And I admit, for awhile, I steered into the anger and misogyny of TRP, because I was a beta finally realizing how wrong I was about women and hating myself and them for "worshipping" them so long. I felt tricked from the whole "They say they want beta tendencies when really they respond to alpha tendencies" bait and switch. I was consumed by the regret of my past failures with women, and all of it was turning into a toxic combo. It's great to see explained here the middle ground of the conversations between me and my friends. They were essentially telling me to beware focusing too much on myself, completely distrusting/hating women, and giving up on my hopes of an LTR. I was trying to convince them that for all the negative I'm TRP, I was trying to ingest the positive (reading body language, better self confidence/self improvement, conversational skills, etc)

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No one has to think, they just have to look at the girls they are attracting.

Seriously, go fuck, then come here and worry about their quality

[–]BurnoTaurus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

At the end of the day, you dont actually want a woman who loves you for you. You think you do. But lets perr deeper. What are you? What makes up you? At your very core, deep down, behind all the layers... wtf is really there?

To have a person who loves you for some internal quality that only they can see... you become reliant on that person. You need them around to feel special because theyre the only person that can see this specialness in you. Eventually you start to think theyre deluded.

i had a girl tell me once about how she would listen to music and daydream that I was the bassist (I play bass guitar and guitar) It was a realization of one of my deepest fantasies, to have a woman fawning over me like that. Funnily enough I said to myself "wow this is what I thought Ive always wanted, how come Im creeped the fuck out?"

To truky know a person you cant go off of who they are moment to moment. you have to look at how and why their moods change and their actions cycle through the cycles that they do. When you see things in this way you realize people are not static, and to be loved by someone as if you are, is usually travesty.

[–]spawnend0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Of course man , i have a feeling most of this sub when they say 8-9 it’s actually a used up 6-7 . Or slutty trashy girls , if the reports are true. No 8-9-10 girl will behave the way these guys talk , I don’t care how “Chad”(cringey word) you are.

[–]MajorMid-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. Take the good from TRP and leave the bad.

TRP works like magic. But it's a catch 22. It only gets the girls that TRP complains about in the first place that started this site. If you are looking for a traditional relationship you cant use the over the top and absurd parts of TRP nor should you want to cause it would be a red flag if it attracted a girl.

Learn to take the good from it. Live a balanced life. "Beta" characteristics are a good thing. It's a good thing to open a door for your girl. It's a good thing to provide for your girl. If shes worth it.

[–]DoesItMatterTooYou-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

U/cuztrp TRP, IMO, is really a US or at least western, response to modern feminism and the insane entitlement attitude so many women have now.

Women whom have either known real hardship or never been exposed to western toxic feminists are much more likely to exhibit desirable LTR traits.

TRP isn't the underlying cold, it's the sneeze to deal with a virus up your nose.

You control how you engage and just moderate it based on your goals. If you want a real LTR just find that balance that allows you to always remain in control while allowing her to have some comfort. Most women have terrible self esteem so their reactions will be wonky.

[–]notashittyperson69-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

No wonder your mom is attracted towards me

[–]Schhwing-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

No it’s you that attracts the wrong type of girls

[–]Madhatter747-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Whats "kino"?

[–]p-tittyy20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Physical escalation on a date.

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