This blows my mind: Teenage girl fired over Twitter amasses support from around the world

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Title This blows my mind: Teenage girl fired over Twitter amasses support from around the world
Author 1independentmale
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Date 10 February 2015 11:19 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]Ijstwnt 344 points344 points [recovered] | Copy

The owner had every right to fire her for reasons you mentioned but he must take care in the manner of which he does so. Firing someone over twitter is not professional. Had he handed her a printed copy of the tweet and then fired her on her first day, there would be no story.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan121 points122 points  (20 children) | Copy

Looks like owner lost frame, even though he's morally/logically in the right - that's why he's getting bullshit. Also, feminism - the power of the bullshit of modern feminism.

[–]solaris19903 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly, I think it's a real big stretch to assume gender issues are the defining factor here (or to take this news as relevant to TRP). Seems like a 'workers vs. the system' thing to me rather than anything else.

I guess the masses are reluctant to back business owners or 'bosses' even when they are in the right...

[–]aazav5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

He simply treated her in kind.

[–]Skiffbug16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

So stooped to her level, and played according to her frame.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or, to translate from TRP to English, she brought him down to her level and defeated him with experience.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy

Can someone explain how he lost frame in this? I feel like quickly dispatching this girl on social media platform for all her friends to see is totally appropriate and see no loss of frame.

[–]Subtletorious19 points20 points  (5 children) | Copy

Because it is not the way business people behave. Business is supposed to have the appearance of emotional detachment.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy

Oh I this guy was clearly offended and why should a business owner be offended by some dumb bitch? Thanks for the clarification. It seems the strongest correlation with frame is stoicism.

[–]1xwm5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is. Nothing should rattle you emotionally (Barring extreme cases such as the death of a parent). Like someone else said. He should have printed the tweet, talked to her, and fired her in person when she showed up because that is professional, and as a business owner that is the frame he should have.

[–]David352070 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Stoicism is the unfortunate truth of TRP. That is why MGTOW and some turn to a more isolated lifestyle and live for themselves. It's one of the pivotal factors in the anger phase of swallowing the pill.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I love being stoic...makes life easier.

[–]thegr8b8m84 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Business and dating world work differently. Yes she deserved it but as a business owner he should have kept it off twitter. Now he is facing the wrath of woman and her white knights.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Luckily they only attack him with blog posts and tumbler psychobabble.

[–]alpha_n3rd4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

You don't publicly shame your employees no matter how horrible they are.

*Morals and ethics aside, it's a liability to your business. Insult the wrong person and enjoy your libel suit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, this guy was very booty tickled apparently.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Even though he held the power to fire her, he played into her frame by immediately acknowledging her disrespect. Being stoic means you do no simply act on impulse, you assess the situation and then take action calmly. He knows the correct way to fire an insubordinate employee is to do it in person with a formal letter of dismissal, instead he chose to be rash and try get a cheap shot at her like she got at him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, he's just a little teenage girl inside is what this message portrays.

[–]Skiffbug0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Her frame was to go on Twitter and complain about her new job. So firing her on Twitter is playing according to her tools: her frame.

His frame would most likely be face to face, in his office, on his turf.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Makes perfect sense now, thank you.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (3 children) | Copy

My exact thoughts. Firing her is a no-brainer but in today's sjw world you need to be much more careful - if the person being fired is a woman of course.

[–]PowerVitamin3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol compare this to the misogynistic comments of Dalhousie boys in a "PRIVATE" Facebook group.

Good job world. You tried to learn your lesson, but failed to see past your SJW lenses.

[–]Magnum2561 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Today's sjw world is such garbage, having to tiptoe through the tulips around the majority of people is disgusting; it's a shame it has become the norm but I guess the sjw-mentality allows for a lot of personal weakness and is therefor an easier standard to live by for these people.

[–]LuvBeer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The average redditor sees a living wage as a right (which naturally includes private accommodation in downtown NYC, London, or other desirable place) and the purpose of businesses to be income redistribution programs.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. Adults should behave as adults especially when confronted with such childish behaviour - which as a woman/female is default.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perhaps not professional but for gods sake how can anyone stand behind this child? A bit disgusting.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Owner might be fishing for free publicity which I won't blame him for despite the unprofessional maneuver.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

A simple "no, you don't" would have sufficed. He definitely stooped to her level and behaved unprofessionally. She definitely needed to be fired, as does anyone who attacks their employer on social media. It'd be one thing if she wrote it on a blog or something, but when you write on social media, you are putting your name right beside whatever you say. Just dumb.

[–]FruitNyer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seriously, I never would have said that over twitter. Fire her in person.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right. The emotional response is what this guy or girl, whatever, did. The logical one would be to call this girl into the office, show the post, and fire her there.

[–]beltwaytr7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

Exactly. He/She stooped to the level of a 12yr old and is getting flak for it. If you have an employee that has no interest in being at your place of business you make sure you let them go in a professional manner other wise your business may suffer for it.

Responding in that way turns it into a shit storm. No matter how you slice it you can't fire someone for their opinion. Since the owner was stupid enough to respond in a childish way that is now what it looks like he/she is doing. We know the real reason why she is being fired but the owner won't be able to prove that's the case now.

[–]Azothlike5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Many states and forms of employment law have a "probationary period", where you can literally fire them for anything, or simply choose to no longer continue their employment after said period.

[–]beltwaytr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes I am aware considering my state is one of them but as a small business owner I couldn't really hide behind that law. If this girl was let go from a big name company chances are nobody would hear about it.

[–]Moldy_Gecko1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Depending on the state, you can fire them for nothing. And honestly, look at all the free publicity he is getting.

[–]beltwaytr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes bad publicity is better than no publicity I suppose and I hope their business doesn't get put in a negative light. Sjw's , feminists and brainwashed beta males will look for anything to pile on top of the owners "hate for women" to further feed the flames.

[–]CockBruises4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're right; there would be no story. However, the way she was fired doesn't fucking matter. Employers can fire anyone in any manner at any time and for any reason, with few limitations.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly what I would have done. Why engage her on twitter at all. Although on the other hand I find it disturbing we cyber stalk each other now before hiring. This is precisely why I don't use my real name for controversial topics. She will learn the hard way I guess.

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (2 children) | Copy

manufactured controversy to sell papers / fill space.

[–]1kingofpoplives8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy


The media coverage is not because the guy "lost frame" as some are saying. It is because his tweet is hilarious.

The media just wants views, so they are more than happy to viralize this public ownage. Screaming oppression is just them covering their own asses from PC backlash.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS38 points39 points  (1 child) | Copy

I had a young woman working for me for ~2 years. Near the end, she developed a crap attitude, and I let her go sooner than she intended when she posted something online about hating her job and wanting to do something threatening to the next customer to come in.

The lady from the unemployment office called, asking her series of usual questions with an aggressive tone. I referred her to the social media site, which she got on her screen with me on the phone and her across the woman's desk. She got real quiet, then thanked me in a whole new tone and ended the call. The report came in the mail, that she was denied unemployment and would have to work X hours at a new job to become eligible.

This was back in the Myspace days; you'd think word would have gotten around even the high schools in this day and age.

[–]MHOOD013 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Social media is a glass house. People post all their personal info and then they are shocked when someone take these bullets of info and uses it on them.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

White knighting is universal across national boundaries and cultures, it's hardwired in the human psyche.

There's some culture-based variation regarding what exactly will trigger it and what won't, but it's always there ready to trigger. Little damsel in distress, that a grown man was realllyyy meannn to? That'll work even in China!

[–]qtyapa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

White knighting is universal

I see a lot of that around here on this sub-reddit too!

[–]sterlinghtsmi24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can give her a real "fuck-ass" job if she wants one??

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Professionalism aside, Twitter was simply an avenue to call out the brat publicly. Making an example of her deters others from making the mistake she did.

[–]when_in_rome_wwjd11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Seriously to everyone saying he was unprofessional. Fuck that. His business, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. She acted like a cunt on social media and he called her out on her shit in front of x amount of followers.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

She was getting support from other brats on twitter. Serious people don't tweet.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

I thought I'd inject a little red pill comedy. Louis CK. On jobs and the entitlement of young people.

[–]DownVoteGuru13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because all we need is an old fart telling us how good we got it and how entitled we are.

If the pot doesn't get any blacker.

[–]redbluepilling3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Eh, this wasn't a typical 'entitled teen/20s' rant. (And I'm not a huge CK fan). The first part touches on how being so negative, you make the experience negative for yourself (and in this case, the customer). The unstated idea is, if you immerse yourself in work that you have to do, at least do the damn thing well, and you'll enjoy the process (little victories feel good). I realize this may seem at odds with 'The Gervais Principle' if you wish to be the sociopath, but it's really just nuanced.

The rest is just encouraging personal responsibility

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

He had every fucking right to fire her in any goddamn fashion he felt fit. So long as he is in a "right to work" state, (like mine is), he was under no obligation to hire her, and he is under no obligation to keep her. He could fire her via carrier pigeon if he chose to.

Since she decided to bitch and moan about a job she hadn't even done yet over Twitter, well...he's entitled to fire her over Twitter. If that's her chosen method of communication, he's free to reciprocate over that same communication channel.

This sickens me, because I know people that would KILL for ANY job right now...and this bitch complains about taking pizza orders and sending pies through an oven. Fuck her.

[–]fordmarkII0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Best comment here whether it's true or

manufactured controversy to sell papers / fill space.

or doesn't fit in TRP.

[–]AnotherLostCause12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Pussy pass. She is not responsible for her actions. It is pretty funny when you think about it.

[–]Tarnsman4Life7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

How dare you expect a girl to work! She should be off going to school so she can sit on her ass until some beta bux knocks her up and makes her a stay at home mom, until she divorces him, takes half his money, and goes back to work in an easy job show men how capable she is by holding down a job.

[–]NaughtyFred2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The guy fell into the trap of letting her hit his emotions which lead to the unprofessional outburst he made.

Like others have said he should have shown her the comments she made then professionally fired her.

That would have kept him safe from the mini-shitstorm

[–]Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

All the White Knights and Social Justice Warriors come to her defense, reinforcing her shitty behavior, just to have a chance, in their own warped beta minds, to have a chance at a fuck-hug or internet high five.

Owner did not curse, just handed down the facts.

[–]Sherlock--Holmes2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Entitlement is the epidemic of our time.

[–]Dualmilion2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

First job I had, at orientation, we did about 30 mins on social media and how you can't do shit like that. And kept getting reminded of it through the 4 years I worked there.

[–]PlanB_pedofile2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If it was a guy who did the same thing there would be a world wide effort to support the business owner.

Pussy pass culture. Women are not to be held to the same stsndards as guys

[–]Squeezymypenisy2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Negative publicity is still publicity.

[–]czabak1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a positive publicity for the sane part of population.

[–]JablesRadio2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not only do SJWs defend stupidity like this, most of them hate any and all greedy, rich businesses. They are killing two birds with one stone with this one.

[–]OurMindsLiveOn4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

.Some italian named waple, runs a fucking pizza joint... these people "expect" him to be professional... No wonder these people need a college degree to work shit jobs now, their heads are stuck up their own asses.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (9 children) | Copy

Well no, he was unprofessional. What kind of boss gets into a twitter argument with employees?? As a boss he is to imform her by phone or in person that she is no longer employed.

[–]golimo8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

A good example of this is Texas A&M football coach Kevin Sumlin firing his pool cleaner via Twitter. At the time, A&M was looking for a new defensive coordinator. The pool cleaner tweeted something like, "Cleaning Coach Sumlin's pool and he's on the phone...maybe it's our new defensive coordinator!" Sumlin tweeted back, "You just lost your job!" with a post quote. Now, Sumlin has thousands, if not millions, of followers. It quickly went viral. Some people lauded him for standing up for his and the program's privacy. I thought that was ironic, given that he very publicly humiliated a dude who cleans pools for a living over a non-specific tweet. Unprofessional all around.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I am sorry, but if I hire you to clean my fucking pool I didnt ask for the services of overhearing my professional conversations and spreading them via social media. Yes maybe it is legal (although that is dubious) but I'd do everything in my power to make sure this pool boy was cleaning the scum off of highschool bathrooms after that abuse of trust.

[–]Moldy_Gecko10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's just stupid... he wasn't eavesdropping. He said he was on the phone. In fact, the pool boy sounded like he was a fan/student and was wishful thinking...

[–]occupythekitchen2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

especially if the typing is correct. Seems more like a fan than a malicious person

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol. That was a joke, he wasn't a pool cleaner, Sumlin just found the tweet and tweeted back at him.

[–]golimo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone was saying it was a joke at first, but I've been going off this:

[–]Moldy_Gecko4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

He technically did notify her by phone and got a lot of free publicity in the process... and 1 post isn't an argument.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Your hampstering, he acted unprofessionally, pretty cut and dry

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Except it may have been his intention all along... we don't know what he was thinking.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Just wait til Tumblr sets up a fund supporting her.

[–]psyflux0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

[–]-Thomas_Jefferson- 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

The boss had every right to fire her but lost frame while doing so. There are more professional ways to fire someone, such as printing out the tweet and have it waiting for her on her first day.

The backlash comes from people's primal dislike the actions of against males that lose frame. Nobody is saying he's wrong for firing her. They are angry that he lost frame in doing so.

[–]Azothlike1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree that he should have done it while maintaining frame.

I disagree that he should have managed that by doing it privately.

Perfectly capable of publicly making an example of her behavior, while still maintaining frame. Amused Mastery, for instance, could easily be applied. Something less antagonistic, like

@Whatever "That sounds awful, <name>! I'll fix that for you. You're off the schedule, no worries." - Your Former Boss

would have gone over smoother.

[–]dub1216861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The discussion is over at the phrase "At-Will Employment"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Okay, so maybe or maybe not the owner was unprofessional in the way he fired her. She completely deserved to lose her job, regardless. Why is she getting Internet praise and support?? The Internet has such a hard-on for "victims." Its disheartening.

Ive seen decent people fired for less and no one swooped down to save their day.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Eh, it was unprofessional to tell her that on Twitter.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

It was unprofessional to badmouth her future job on Twitter. Who does this cunt think she is?

[–]flatox2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just looking for her daily dose of social validation in an attempt to seem like she is way beyond working in a pizzaria. Silly female.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She probably really doesn't even need the job. Probably lives with mommy and daddy, and they were forcing her to get a job to try to teach her "responsibility".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would have just ignored it and let her performance speak for itself. But then again I'm a redpiller so I'm aware that there's very little connection between a woman's actions and the vitriol that pours from her mouth every free second of the day.

This guys on social media scoping out his idiot teenage girl mininum wage employees and actually reacting to their inane bullshit. Safe to say he's a little bit of a beta fuck boy himself.

[–]Rpalt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have to disagree, she hasn't even done 1 shift/started work there and she's got that attitude. If it was my shop, she just wouldn't be allowed to start working. It's a market flooded with people wanting to work, why settle for someone who exhibits an attitude like this?

I do agree the manner in which this was handled really poorly though.

[–]Stopher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't sweat it. I doubt 99 percent of the guy customers even know what Twitter is.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking DEALT. Why should he extend the time and resources to act "professionally", it's not as if she was going to be working in anywhere near a professional capacity? Don't see how this is RP-relevant, but coloured me unsurprised.

[–]Stormhammer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

To be fair, there's a good amount of people that supported the store owner in the firing of her before she started, along with people finding it hilarious that she was fired via twitter.

[–]Gunnilingus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm pretty sure way more people are supporting the business owner than the teenager; from what I've seen, anyway. To answer your question, their are plenty of scumbags around the world who are ready to empathize with fellow scumbags they see on twitter.

[–]occupythekitchen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

when the world listen to two idiots the whole world gets dumber

[–]rockumsockumrobots0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I predict a rough life for her after her 15 minutes are over.

This. Basically all the "fame" means that even a cursory internet search by HR will reveal this girl's history as being poison to a company.

She'd better learn how to do porn, or find a BB husband because she's not going to find a job anytime this century.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I think you can say that the boss was unprofessional without denying that the girl is an idiot and deserved to be fired

[–]Queencitybeer2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

What exactly is unprofessional about this? What does that word even mean? It's such a bullshit arbitrary word. Being "professional" become this invisible moral standard. He's not a cop or a doctor. Since when does owning a pizza joint come with a strict ethical expectation out of society? Unprofessional is just a word people use when they don't like what someone did. It's like saying they aren't very Christian.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Firing someone in public on social media is unprofessional. Whether or not that person has behaved badly, it is possible to take the higher ground. For myself, the standards i set myself dont fall away if someone else behaves like an ass.

[–]fordmarkII0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm curious to the potential public response/feedback from people if the teen was a male. I know, the employer would've done the same to a male.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She needs to man up and get over it.

[–]steggun_cinargo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any advertising is good advertising. I would eat that man's pie.

[–]aazav0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She tweets how much she thinks of the job, she gets treated in kind.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Her parents must be so proud. This reminds me of that scene in Mr. Deeds where the football player is fired, then comes crawling back. This girl needs to learn how to act in the real world. Few people enjoy their jobs. However, if you want to earn a living, you sometimes have to grin and bear it.

[–]Danedina0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't know James Dolan owns a pizza restaurant, too.

[–]exthemius 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I can tell you that when I'm hiring people, social media and spokeo are the first places I look -- I try and find them and what they're about...not because I'm nosey but because it's applicable. Not sure about the "firing" part over social media, but you'd bet your ass I would have met her on her first day, shown the offending comments and walked her out the door.

[–]AlwaysBulking1 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy

I've always suspected this, which is why I immediately deleted my facebook once I entered the job market. I had my privacy settings on and I barely ever posted anything but I take no risks when it comes to my job.

[–]redkick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It can go both ways. One former employer told me at the job interview that he read my social profile and that my views are exactly what he needs for this job.

You just have to be aware that you're leaving a profile every time you post, and you have to be comfortable with being held accountable for everything you said, even decades down the line. It's no accident that I'm not using my main account here.

My current employer is a big fan of Anita Sarkeesian. I'm biting my tongue there.

[–]RatherPlayChess-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good luck with your no money, no job life!

This was an unnecessary jab on the manager's part.

In other terms he publicly wished upon her an impoverished life without vocation. (suffering)

To me, this makes the manager just as brutish as the girl in question.

[–]1kick6-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Who gives a shit? He owns a fucking pizza place. Fucking. Pizza. It's not a goddamn fortune 500 company. These people have no leg to stand they go with "unprofessional." It's like these fat pieces of shit haven't ever even been in a pizza joint (which we know isn't true...they're fat). There's NOTHING professional about it.

[–]Nagger_-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

No one was encouraging her, this isn't a TRP post. They were discouraging the owner for using twitter as a medium to fire her instead of in person. IMO a pizza place doesn't call for a high level of professionalism to warrant a discussion about the way he fired her.

[–]ucfgavin-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The internet is a weird world...the exact same story could come out next week and she would get attacked for being a bitch

[–]WeCantHaveFun-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

As the femcunts used to say "it's lonely to make a point".

If you want to be a martyr, this is a great way about it. If you don't give a fuck about the herd, at least use a damn cat's paw.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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