LTR lied about fucking a guy in the past. Broke up with her. Did I do the right thing?

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October 13, 2019

A dude my LTR used to fuck called her last night at 2am. I knew they used to fuck because I sometimes check her phone when she’s unaware. Call me insecure, beta, or whatever, but I won’t be made a fool.

She was asleep when he called her. She had the dudes number still saved and everything. I didn’t mention anything of it until the next morning, tactfully of course.

I let her know someone had called her and said the dudes name. She doesn’t know I knew they fucked in the past. I didn’t even say the gender I just told her a friend and said the dudes name called her at 2am.

I told her she should call them back because it might’ve been an emergency. She said no. I said asked why not and she wouldn’t answer. So I said what kinda of person calls you at 2am? She said “a friend”. I said okay. Then I asked her what kind of name is “John”? Which was the dudes name, (real name redacted for privacy concerns obviously). She didn’t answer. So I asked her if it was a girl. She said no it was a guy.

I asked her why a guy is calling her at 2am. She said she didn’t know. So I asked her if they used to fuck which she blatantly lied to my face and said no. I didn’t confront her nor say anything.

I showered, got my stuff, and I guess she knew I knew because when I was showering she came in and said we needed to talk and that she did fuck that guy in the past. I said thanks for telling me. Then I collected my stuff and left.

Obviously hard next. She kept calling and texting me saying she was sorry. I didn’t respond.

I have way higher SMV then her, I lift, have social status at university, and will be doing an internship at a Fortune 50 company next summer. I won’t be doing another LTR for a while. I have also reached out to some former plates and meet up tonight and fuck.

I’ve been a longtime reader and internalizer of TRP. I know what I did was the right thing I just wanted you alls perspectives. I’m not going to change my mind or take her back. She lied to me. I can’t trust anything she says. She also still had a dudes number saved that she had sexual relations with.

Any advice, tips, etc. on how to move forward from here? It hurts I admit because you until this point she was good LTR material. But AWALT. She’s only sorry she got caught and wouldn’t have told me if I didn’t say anything otherwise.


Caught LTR in a lie about a dude she had sexual relations with in the past. Broke up with her.

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Title LTR lied about fucking a guy in the past. Broke up with her. Did I do the right thing?
Author TRPKaty
Upvotes 223
Comments 287
Date 13 October 2019 03:12 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]jakethesnake5000146 points147 points  (8 children) | Copy

If she lies about the small things, she will lie about the big things. Something like that is no big deal yet she lied. Next her. Good job

[–]TRPKaty[S] 58 points59 points  (1 child) | Copy

That was my idea too. I wasn’t upset about the dude. I was upset that she lied to me. Oh well. Time to go balls deep in a former plate.

[–]i-am-the-prize38 points39 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is a critical point and why boundaries are important early on in a relationship.

When she gets in the habit of looking in the face and lying - lying about things - things her say are not important or not relevant - she will lie about bigger things it’s only a matter of degrees to her hamster.

From a purely logical context if it was no big deal she would’ve simply said “I don’t know why but an ex is reaching out to me - probably just broke up with his current girlfriend- he means nothing” (Doesn’t explain why he still in her phone other than remember alwalt women need orbiters for external validation)


[–]TRPKaty[S] 18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

I set boundaries early on. And kept implying them over time to make sure she knows and understands her role. As I said to another redditor if she wants to fuck the other dude that’s fine, but because of how my good future is lined up for success, my connections, my smv, etc. I will have no problem finding other women to fuck, plate, or LTR if I choose to do so. But for now I’ll focus only on fucking women, my career, my gains, and my studies. Thanks for your input I appreciate it wholeheartedly.

[–]i-am-the-prize14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good man. Stay mission focused and go forth and slay.

She’s calling and txt’ing because she knows she fucked up. Set the ego boost aside and put yourself first.

You are the Prize.

[–]obey_kush1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just curious, how do you set these boundaries (your way) or what do tell her is her role?

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agree here 100%. Good job OP stay vigilant.

[–]GAndGMethod227 points228 points  (68 children) | Copy

Wait tell you realize all long term relationships really are is long term plates. Once you understand that your eyes will really open up to reality.

[–]TRPKaty[S] 67 points68 points  (0 children) | Copy

I understand that. Which is why I’m not too upset. Thank you.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet32 points33 points  (65 children) | Copy

Wait until you become so attractive that you can enrapture a woman and never worry about her fidelity.

[–]huntersam1321 points22 points  (40 children) | Copy

so AWAL except for when they are with you? lol, delusional

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper27 points28 points  (32 children) | Copy

That's /u/HumanSockPuppet you're talking to. He literally wrote the definitive guide to bitch management.

[–]MR_SKINNYPENIS6915 points16 points  (8 children) | Copy

High level RP contributors are beyond criticism and kickback?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy

Has to be substantive. "Nuh-uh" won't cut it.

TRP is not a democracy. Democracy sucks.

Those of us who founded these groups and control them regard our self-imposed responsibility as "make sure TRP is a source of accurate and useful guidance", not "treat everyone equally".

HSP has proven that he's useful to young men trying to get laid. He's provided many hours of his own time, writing guide material, answering questions, and giving individual advice. I don't know who the fuck "huntersam13" is, and if he had made contributions of note, I would.

So no, I do not regard these two men as equally valuable, equally worthy, or deserving of an equal voice. HSP has already proven his worth, but huntersam13 would need to say something that was self-evidently useful or valuable. His arguments have to be backed up with something, and if they aren't backed up with a solid track record, they have to be backed up with something else, like a sound and reasoned argument.

"lol" doesn't cut it.

[–]slamdunktiger861 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not familiar with HSP's work, but wanted to point out that as men, we respect competence and hierarchy.

If a number of men point out that he's top lobster, I'd take that seriously rather than dismiss any potential value he might bring to the table.

Best of men thrive in a republic and in hard times, a dictatorship for brutal efficiency. All ideas are not equal in weight or in stature, so if a number of men defend HSP for his value and contributions, I'd earnestly consider what he has to say and what he's said in the past.

[–]alleyteris2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You should definitely read HSP articles, they are a goldmine for information

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, & I for one appreciate you & his work maintaining, growing & guiding the community.

[–]ModTheRedPike6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

No. We argue amongst outselves often. But "lol, delusional" isn't any form of coherent criticism. So not sure what to do with it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Throw the uncultured simian in a dungeon or sthg?

[–]MR_SKINNYPENIS691 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is it not a coherent form of criticism? It's a bit rude, sure, but I don't think it's incoherent or useless.

[–]ModTheRedPike1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What information does it relay?

[–]huntersam1317 points18 points  (22 children) | Copy

I dont care about people's online lives

[–]architectintx1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

@huntersam13. If you are an entitled cunt, then read the sidebar and call it a day. Soak in the material and apply it to your life and just keep going forward. Don't come here expecting us to pat on your shoulder just because you showed up here and hence you deserve to earn a chip on your shoulder and we should recognize you for it.

Be wise. If you can contribute, then please do, if not, just STFU. Take things from here that are useful to your life and move on. Don't throw dirt at legends because it aint gonna stick. Be smart about it.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper8 points9 points  (20 children) | Copy

I don't care about what you care about. You're in my house. You spout nonsense, imma set you straight. You can "care about" that or not.

It's not going to change anything.

[–]huntersam1317 points18 points  (19 children) | Copy

big reddit balls eh. haha "I dont care about you care about". I dont care if you can type in English and play big nuts online.

[–]ModTheRedPike1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What brought you to this thread? Honest question.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper8 points9 points  (17 children) | Copy

This particular section of "online" is my house. Why? Because I built it. I made it what it is today.

You, in general, are welcome here, especially because this place was made to help young men like you, but being a welcome guest does not entitle you to be rude to your host, or challenge him to some sort of dick-measuring contest.

You in particular seem to suffer from the delusion that because all men are created equal, that means that all men are equal, and therefore you are the equal of any man, and your opinions have the same weight.


HSP has achieved things you have not, and contributed in ways that you have not, both in this venue. Here, in this venue, your opinion is not regarded as equally valuable to his. We are not a democracy, because democracy sucks. Here, you get what you earn.

This is why the rules say that you are allowed to disagree with him and challenge his views, but you must do so in a polite and well-reasoned manner, as would be expected of any guest disputing with his host. You are in HSP's territory.

I realize that you may not be used to the concept of territory, because you were raised in a female-centric society, and it's possible you were raised entirely by women. But this is how masculine groups operate... everyone is NOT equal, and we do not share and share alike. Instead, status within the group is given to those who have contributed the most to it.

You don't have to agree that this is a good idea. Your opinion is your territory. But you do have to abide by this idea while you are here, because TRP is not your territory, it is mine. And, not to put too fine a point on it, HSP's.

[–]ScratchinCommander 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

Dude, this guy is being a child/troll. Just treat him like one, i.e. ignore him. "Don't feed the animals"

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

He is, however, not the only one reading.

Every retard saying a retarded thing presents us with a valuable opportunity for a teaching moment... not, of course, for the retard, but for anyone else watching. Here, for example, we got an opportunity to talk about how male-oriented groups distribute status, power, and respect.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution.

[–]huntersam13 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

You are very presumptions and patronizing. You know nothing about or "HSP" other than what is posted in a virtual forum. You keep building up strawmans to attack. You are easily triggered and cute.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've known him personally for about 15 years. We created this forum together.

You're going to take a little break from our forum now. Bye.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

You just went DEER over a trol mate!

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

And will continue to do so. DARE is for attracting women. Are you a woman?

Or are you a man? Are you patient and perceptive enough to sit still and understand an explanation of something that takes more than thirty seconds to think through... and doesn't involve selfies, drinking alcohol, or really cute shoes?

Trolls gonna troll, but for the rest of you, this is a teaching moment.

[–]huntersam13-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Its cute how proud you are of creating a disbanded subreddit. but hey, if that's your life's shinning achievement then we all gotta cling to something for meaning. But make no mistake, you hold no claims on TRP. Its biological programming. You opened your eyes and saw our species for what it is? Congrats! people have been doing it for centuries. This is not some new theory or way of life that you built. Those are delusions. You pressed a button on a website. That's it.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its cute how proud you are of creating a disbanded subreddit.

Somebody hasn't been keeping up with current events.

but hey, if that's your life's shinning achievement then we all gotta cling to something for meaning

If you're going to shit test me, can you put on some makeup and a little skirt first?

But make no mistake, you hold no claims on TRP.

And for my next trick... have a Vietnamese sandwich.

[–]FunnyCantaloupe-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

All men are created equal. It should be our job to keep it equal as best we can, not to succumb to a philosophy that is weak-minded and one that accepts the inequality by “playing the game.” That’s only perpetuating your delusions.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Should is just a way to use one word to say "I want" with a side order of "and I don't want to take responsibility for wanting it".

The words "all men are created equal" were written to refute the idea of the divine right of kings and the birthright of nobility. They do not mean that no man is better than another. They mean that men are better than one another based on their accomplishments, not their birthright.

It is foolish to contend that all men are equal, because clearly they are not. It is equally foolish to claim that they "should" be equal, because that just means you want them to be equal... the sentiment of a below average man.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Men love infinite variety in women. Women are simple, they settle for the best.

He's specifically talking about AWALT, you just assumed it meant AWALT means 'all whamen are evil whorish children!'

[–]Fakeone12090 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

This guy human sock puppet knows more than me and you put together brother.Hes on game,I've followed his posts,I trust the guys judgement,that is all.

[–]huntersam133 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

I have never met this person. anyone can post anything online, doesnt mean shit

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I have never met this person. anyone can post anything online, doesnt mean shit

You're saying that your time is so worthless that you can spend it listening to a bunch of online blowhards jerking themselves off, and the world won't be affected in the least.

Lmao thanks for letting us know.

[–]Fakeone12090 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey HumanSP,you think you can take a look and expound on my last post a bit with an answer. I prefer your game as I feel it matches where I'm trying to go,therefore I'd trust your answer. Thank you

[–]huntersam13-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

How do you listen to written word?

[–]rambler4290 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You know that little voice in your head that you hear when you're reading? That's how you listen.

[–]GonadGravy6 points7 points  (19 children) | Copy

BS. You will never get to a point where you don’t have to “worry” about her fidelity. Look at all the politicians, celebrities and athletes who get cheated on. The most powerful, attractive men that have ever lived were not ensured loyalty from a woman.

The best you can do is vet well, have a high smv, abundance and an actual dgaf attitude.

Female loyalty is NEVER 100%.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet10 points11 points  (18 children) | Copy

Sounds like you've got some latent Oneitis, and it's tying you to the idea of having a single woman forever.

You're afraid of losing what you have, and not focusing on what you have the potential to grasp.

In time, you will understand why I don't worry about the uncertain loyalty of females, and why my lack of worry is precisely what makes them loyal.

[–]GonadGravy0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy

I understand that already, with all due respect.

That’s my point, that you cannot ever count on a woman’s loyalty. And I accordingly don’t worry or care...but that won’t stop any given woman from stepping out regardless. That’s not up to us.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet5 points6 points  (16 children) | Copy

Feel free to continue arguing technicalities like a robot. I'll be here trying to impart my experience on the rest of our readers here. I'll let you know when my slaves step out of line and fuck another guy. But for now, both are going on two years (and numerous opportunities to cheat), and so far no bites.

Or ask /u/Whisper, he has owned his slave longer than I have owned mine. How long has Funsize been running for bro, six years now? Seven?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy

Eight going on nine. The other one is more recent.

Whoever thinks that AWALT means all women act the same is not reading carefully. It means all women are like "that".

Like what?

Like every other woman.

Every woman out there contain the recipe for every behaviour that is characteristic of women. Which ones they express depends upon their surroundings, both past and present. Water takes the shape of the container you pour it into.

This means the men of every society get precisely the women they deserve. (Or perhaps the women their fathers deserved.) Women's behaviour is entirely determined by men's behaviour. Feminism is men's fault. The cock carousel is men's fault. Spoiled fussbudget women? Men's fault.

Our great (x?) grandfathers were weak and foolish enough to let them vote. Our grandfathers let them play career. Our fathers let them dismantle the nuclear family. Our generation let them get away with acting like spoiled rotten brats.

None of this is their fault. None of it. Unsupervised children cause trouble. That's their nature. When you understand that ALL women are like that, you realize that it's not women's fault, because if it's ALL of them, then that is the nature of women, and what sense does it make to blame someone for their nature?

So women can be loyal if you inspire that in them. They are whatever you train them to be. And if you neglect their training, then you are just training them to be something you probably won't like.

[–]GuruDev10000 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Our great (x?) grandfathers were weak and foolish enough to let them vote.

Perhaps one problem with the founders of Reddit TRP is that you haven't separated women's behaviour outside the bedroom from that inside the bedroom—as sexual beings vs the other half of the human race.

Women surely are children when it's a sexual relationship we are talking about. But when they aren't in the sexual mode and are required to work or vote, I have found their negatives or positives on par with men.

Also, empowered women are a blessing to attractive men. Men's life being fucked is more the fault of other men than women. I have seen enough women support the rights of men since women are as capable of being logical as men when sex isn't on the table (men too lose their logic once the dick begins talking).

[–]Black_m0ngoose1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All youve discovered is that weak men are a lot like children as well.

Its just not as immediately apparent to you because youre not trying to sleep with men.

Most people are children who dont know what they want and dont know whats good for them. The only difference between men and women is that men have the ability to break the chains and overcome weakness. Men literally have no excuse not to be strong, evidenced by the fact that mother nature gave every man the tools he needed to secure his own existence and unapologetically discards the weaklings.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Perhaps one problem with the founders of Reddit TRP is that you haven't separated women's behaviour outside the bedroom from that inside the bedroom

We also haven't separated their behaviour in Kentucky from their behaviour in Arizona. What's your point?

Also, empowered women are a blessing to attractive men.

If you mean that an abundance of sluts is good for players, then yes. But what on earth does voting have to do with empowerment?

Men's life being fucked is more the fault of other men than women.

Did you not get done reading a whole comment where I repeatedly emphasized the point that nothing is women's fault?

Nothing can be women's fault because they have no agency. They are whatever men make of them.

women are as capable of

I don't care what women could theoretically do. I care what they will actually do.

[–]aWorldBornDead0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Goddamn, you guys....these LARPs are hilarious. I needed this today.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, clearly it's impossible.

[–]DelicateDevelopment0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You know that it is not true.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

So, you're going to try to persuade me I don't believe what I think I believe?

Why don't you instead try a humbler goal, like trying to change my mind?

[–]DelicateDevelopment0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I think it was the passage about the weak and foolish grandfathers that irritated me. I understand that it might seem like that but I don't think that this is the reason for the current developments... And somehow I assumed that you would know or think that too, which probably was why I put such a strong statement.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Interesting bit to be provoked by. After all the stuff about women, what bothered you was criticizing previous generations of men?

[–]DelicateDevelopment0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

If anything "provoked" me at all then that the whole passage to me seems so twisted.

I can understand certain aspects you describe about female behavior and some is certainly true. However kids that don't learn to act responsible will never be responsible grown ups, irrespective of their sex. So the reason for the current state of our societies is not the freedom men gave to women, but rather that we as a whole don't have values anymore we have deconstructed everything and everyone is suffering from it.

And something in me is quite certain that you understand that as well. Because to me after a certain stage of insight it seems so obvious. At the end of the day we are all children that will never grow up if we don't experience reality and if reality is taken away from us in our schools and media and literature then there is little from which people can grow unless they get hit hard.

Not a reason to be provoked. But then you "berated" those men whose actions are not the reason for this whole mess, and that caused my answer and I guess I was curious about your reaction.

[–]GonadGravy-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fair enough. The last thing I’ll say though, no matter how irrationally confident you are they haven’t cheated on you doesn’t change the fact that they could easily have done so and you’d never know.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here's a fun tip: women are shit liars.

When a woman lies to save her own ass, she will instinctively try to harness your protective instinct to prevent you from digging deeper into her story - things like "I can't believe you thiiiiiink that" or "I've always been gooooood to you and now you're accuuuusing meeeeeee".

But once you've been Red Pill for long enough, you consciously stop giving a shit about taking a woman at her word.

When you are no longer under the influence of this power, you can actively poke holes in her story. If she scrambles and says nonsense, or doubles down on the "trust" shit just to fill the holes, then you can be sure someone else has been filling her holes.

They can't hide it from you - not when you're a ZFG Jedi Master slinging mind tricks.

[–]MR_SKINNYPENIS692 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Surely high SMV only goes so far? It helps but isn't immunity from women cheating/branch swinging.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nothing is absolute. We speak in generalities for convenience, because we're not autistic robots.

Become attractive enough and you will have women queuing up to have a chance at a relationship with you. The quality of your company, combined with the ever-present competition posed by that queue, will motivate the girl who presently has your attention to do everything in her power to keep it.

The principle of loss aversion even comes into effect.

[–]MR_SKINNYPENIS691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cool wiki article, thanks.

[–]Truedemocracy50 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Then you’re likely hooking up with low tier women. Gross

[–]uptimex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This. Saved.

[–]Kevchenkoo144 points145 points  (1 child) | Copy

You did the right thing

[–]TRPKaty[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you.

[–]rockyp3219 points20 points  (9 children) | Copy

Just a thought would you have done the same thing if she told you the truth the first time? I mean that’s obviously sketchy somebody called her at that time but couldn’t it be realistic that he could’ve just been fucking drunk and missed her? If he was sober why would he call her phone I’m sure he would’ve known you were dating n would see it unless she didn’t tell him she was in a LTR. Sounds like a drunk night call but it could’ve been a booty call too.

[–]theyearsstartcomin17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

So why lie?

[–]rockyp326 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

So he wouldn’t think it was a booty call and break up with her. It’s 50/50

[–]drsherbert0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

She admitted that she fucked the guy, so the OP was correct in his assumption

[–]rockyp321 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

In the past yeah

[–]KetoLubber5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Trickle truth.

[–]rockyp320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What’s that

[–]rockyp320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I mean to be fair either one could of happened he just broke up with her cause he thought the possibility of her hooking up with another guy was the breaking point which it should be but unfortuneatly he has no idea if she did or not. If he called her frequently or txted her a bunch and she replied in a sexual way then yeah. It sucks not knowing if they really did it or not but I guess it’s better to trust his gut he said she wasn’t very high quality anyway

[–]second-last-mohican0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He was setting her up to fail though, cos he had ready looked through her messages.

[–]Dimenzije9065 points66 points  (8 children) | Copy

She’s only sorry she got caught and wouldn’t have told me if I didn’t say anything otherwise.

Exactly. Trust me you did everything ok. Especially since you said shes not that high smv. Good luck at uni.

[–]TRPKaty[S] 22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy

Thank you. It’s clear in the relationship she needed me more than I needed her. I have more connections, status, money, and better looks.

[–]DuffBude3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Why was she even messing with that guy then or lying to you? I don't doubt you, it just seems like she would want to play things safe then

[–]Je_suis_throwy5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I assume having "options" made her feel more valuable.

[–]anonimo421 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

From what I understand she messed with 'John' before, not during Op's relationship. Women lie just like children lie. She isn't proud of fucking John maybe? She doesn't want OP to get mad? Any reason to avoid confrontation.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Probably. I don't even think that the girl lied because she still liked the ex. It's probably an insecurity of some sorts.

Orr, OP has low smv and this is the ex she got dumped by.

[–]anonimo420 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Sorry correct me if I'm wrong. Are you suggesting that OP is dishonest regarding what his gf said?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, I'm saying maybe op doesn't see his SMV clearly.

[–]TroubleStandard 1 points [recovered]  (15 children) | Copy

What makes you think they aren’t still fucking if he’s calling her at 2AM? Sounds like she gave you some trickle truth to defuse the situation.

[–]TRPKaty[S] 76 points77 points  (13 children) | Copy

Don’t wanna think about it. Nor do I care. It’s over.

[–]TroubleStandard 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

The only reason I bring it up is because you’re at risk of rationalizing forgiveness in the coming days/weeks if you tell yourself it was only something in the past. I’ve been through this before, she is 100% lying to you.

[–]TRPKaty[S] 45 points46 points  (1 child) | Copy

I understand. I’m not. I have decent frame, discipline, and self control. Once I decide something I rarely if ever change my mind.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yup. Stay out of her head.

You decide what’s best for you now. She (as a plate or LTR) is not in your best interest. Go make yourself happy and enjoy life and a nice bit of Strange.

Other dudes- Who the fuck cares why the 2am caller was calling. Or how long ago they fucked.

She is being next’d because she’s a liar and she’s only sorry she got caught. Lastly and most importantly she is not worth his monogamy (ever or especially at this stage in his life).

[–]throwawayhealth934290 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

and possibly STDs as well

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

A guy only calls a girl at 2am if previous early time contact has been established and welcomed.

[–]linkinway15 points16 points  (7 children) | Copy

LTRs can be amazing, I just don't understand why women do this and why those simps chase girls in LTR, I mean sex is freely available nowadays, just so many single girls there, why go after committed women? just don't get it.

[–]TRPKaty[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the 7 wonders that’s for sure haha

[–]CasaDeFranco1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Often these women don't reveal they are in a relationship. They just want the validation of someone pursuing them / wanting new dick.

[–]Ankuno_3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

I mean, if a plate gets into a relationship I'm not gonna stop booty calling her unless she tells me otherwise. I don't get to define other people's relationships.

[–]linkinway6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

ain't that being overtly thirsty and intruding into someone else's establishment? I wouldn't ever do that, I have some standards. That too when I can get sex easily, and making a new plate or more than that ain't a difficult job today. and for me personally any committed woman consenting turns me off. guys who do this excuse it to sluts will be sluts but I find those guys sleeping with those sluts to be also sluts. it amazes me how men give more importance to sex over brotherhood. if I happen to be ever in such a situation I always let that bf/husband know... I mean women do this actively, that's how they get much less cheated.

I think this is another reason why women cheat disproportionately more... guys keep running after your woman.

[–]Classic_Touch2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel the same way. Even female to female (femalehood). I will never get it. It is insulting someone would use me to cheat.

[–]Ankuno_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I respect your reasoning although we disagree the definition of what having some standards means. I think you're just using that to feel better about yourself and look down on some guys (I don't know how some guys do that, I consider myself better than that). I don't think that men excuse that kind of behavior as "sluts will be sluts", it's just that they have a idgaf attitude towards it, the whole sex is amoral and all that shit.

If my LTR is gonna cheat on me just because guys were running after her, I definitely don't see that as the guy's fault, and I definitely don't blame the guys for women cheating more than men. I think it's more down to men and women having different definition of what loyalty means. That being said, I'm not even that sure that women cheat more than men. From my own experience, it's at least equal.

[–]Unlikely_Composer12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I think she’s still fucking him. I’ve seen this shit before.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon35 points36 points  (3 children) | Copy

Any advice, tips, etc. on how to move forward from here? It hurts I admit because you until this point she was good LTR material

Good LTR material apart from the blatant lying.... um.

She’s only sorry she got caught and wouldn’t have told me if I didn’t say anything otherwise.

Exactly. AWALT.

Yes, you did the right thing.

[–]TRPKaty[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thank you for reassuring. Any idea how to get over the pain? Besides gaming new women and lifting.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Besides gaming new women and lifting.

Also: try not to think about it

[–]Distractingyou4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would read here on how to find a good ltr on the future cause you will want children at some point in your life i think first clues are 80% true qualifier of a womans behavior.

[–]BPasFuck16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

You did the right thing, because you're certain it was right for you. Good job.

There are decent odds that this chick wasn't actively fucking this guy during this relationship, and was merely keeping him as a backup plan in case things went south with you.

That's something chicks do. They always have emergency dick lying around, because reasons.

Doesn't matter in this case however. Even if she was never ever considering fucking this guy-- even if she was relatively happy with the relationship, this isn't about her.

This is about you.

Good job being true to yourself.

[–]TRPKaty[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

In order of my priorities I place myself first, my career second, my family third, and my friends fourth. It’s all about self care. I did what’s best for me. And what was best for me is not being with a woman who lies to me.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the correct attitude. You did well.

[–]ntkstudy4439 points40 points  (27 children) | Copy

If you value honesty to the point where you have never told a lie to her, then go ahead. The way I see it is she lied bc she cares about what you think about her, not the end of the world to me.

But sounds like you have a fragile ego and bc the lie was sexual you are trying to protect it by cutting her off temporarily till you feel a boost of empowerment.

[–]Condescending-Guy33 points34 points  (11 children) | Copy

Yeah I agree. Fragile ego. In my opinion if she’s super respectful and this was totally a one off he should talk to her and not just run away so quickly. OP is not perfect, no doubt he’s lied to her before. People lie. Get used to it. If he checks her phone and there’s never been any problems, what’s the big deal. If she was clearly uneasy about it and she came into the shower to confront him about her lie, sounds like she’s a keeper. I just don’t this story. This is throwing something away because some dude called her at 2am. She didnt answer and talk to him and then lie to him about it. This is a non issue that he should confront and discuss with her.

I’m currently dealing with an ACTUAL shitty LTR situation. I ghosted her. She deserves it. But this guy is not dealing with anything bad.

This sub is full of people saying “leave her” for every little thing.

LTR said she was at the gym for two hours but she was actually at the gym for 1.5 hours and she got some food after. - leave her

LTR told me she likes some of my music but found out today she doesn’t like most of it. - leave her.

LTR has a guy approach her and hit on her and she told him she’s not interested, so he walks away. But she never told him she has a bf - leave her.

LTR farted in the bathroom and I heard it - leave her

In my opinion this guy is not ready to be in an LTR because he’s too insecure. Unless there’s something else he’s not telling us, this guy sounds like he’s got a superiority complex.

[–]ntkstudy4413 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ya I think guys really like the idea of other guys being single too lol

[–]Sylvester_Sterone6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yea man. I've come to realise that, while TRP has some good posts, most of TRP is cynical fragile egoed garbage.

"yea we're the ones who understand this secret dark truth that all women fucking suck." Why would you even go fuck women anymore if you're like that? Just buy a fleshlight kiddos.

Also, people need to read up on attachment styles. Yes, some people are not trustworthy. Other people are. And if you give trust, you also het more trust back. You know why these girls cheat on TRP guys a lot? Because they're fucking worried that she might cheat. If Chad doesn't even think that cheating is a possibility, she won't do it. She'll feel that confidence.

[–]novalentineforyou0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Actually the number one reason people cheat is that they think they can get away with it. One third of people would cheat if they had an attractive person to fuck and zero chance of getting caught (e.g. business trip in another city).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yea, but remember that those are hypotheticals. In real life most people don't cheat because they can't lie. Look, around 14% of women and 22% of men cheat. And don't you think most women cheat based on you becoming a needy guy and changing who you are as a result?

If you stay the exciting charming delightful man that you are, chances are small.

[–]novalentineforyou1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think those statistics are misleading. Boomers whose hobbies start and end with Netflix aren't going to cheat. Someone who has friends who don't shame cheating, makes frequent business trips, has coworkers who flirt with her, and is in contact with exes is far more likely to cheat than someone who doesn't do any of these things. The common feature is opportunity.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Doesn't change the fact that it's still only 14% of women. And that doesn't mean that 1 in 7 of your gfs would cheat either. It also depends a lot on what type of women you're attracted too.

[–]Arnoux2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have way higher SMV then her, I lift, have social status at university, and will be doing an internship at a Fortune 50 company next summer.

Lol just look at this. The OP thinks he is an absolute catch because he lifts. Everybody lifts. Social status at university is nothing spectacular either. The most funny is he is going to do internship at Fortune 50 company. What does fortune 50 have to do with anything? I have worked for a short while to a fortune 2 company, not even internship but normal position. It was shit. Now I work in a higher senior postion for a company which employes 30k people. I even have my own place to live, but OP did not mention it. Do I think I have inflated SMV? No, I think I am in a good postion but nothing spectacular. When OP will finally start his internship he will realise he is nothing. There are managers who lift as well, most people like them and has amassed a fortune in the past 10 years.

[–]chad_is_in_my_lady0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is not relevant to the discussion.

[–]nixon9934 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wish there was more people like you in this sub

[–]second-last-mohican2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only rule for my Ltr was: she cheats I'm out... I trusted her and she knew I was serious so kept herself in line, and that comes across as confidence, and they respect it and wont stray. Trying to control them in too many ways, to me anyway, is insecure and weak and they will stray, take the piss and lie about it. As the top post said, let's are just long term plates.

[–]Toxik626 points27 points  (11 children) | Copy

This. You can’t control a random hit up. Granted she lied at 1st but then told the truth. He hadn’t even left the house yet before she confessed. To me it sounds like she didn’t want to risk the lie and only did it in the moment out of panic. I agree with a ton of red pill ideas but this idea that women are this calculated and evil is gross.

[–]rpMadler6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP lied to her too.

[–]Dat_Black_Guy6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

I agree with a ton of red pill ideas but this idea that women are this calculated and evil is gross.

Scary to think about but, fun thought experiment. Consider if they were this coldblooded and calculated, our community would be a safe haven in a hellish environment.

Female level : terminator

[–]ntkstudy4414 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Couldn’t agree more. I have gotten a lot out of this community and am super thankful for it, but there’s this creepy undertone of female hate here. Seems like the people who post that type of shit do it because that’s the only way they can feel confident around them, if they think of them as less.

True confidence is being able to feel proud of yourself without having to do shit like that

[–]nixon9932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A agree with you theres a lot of hate here,i was thinking about writing a post about that but i will be bluepilled anyway

[–]juggernaut_child1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Some very few women are cold and calculated, but they just suck at it. A small majority are better at it, but they never amount to anything above being lower class.

[–]Dat_Black_Guy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

True, I've met these women. Seems like its more liekly to be associated with less attractive women, since they need the skill set more.

[–]juggernaut_child0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not quite..

[–]Helmet_Icicle1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Granted she lied at 1st

[–]Toxik64 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think it’s crazy to assume anyone is incapable of a panic response. Every single person has said something in the moment they didn’t mean.

[–]Helmet_Icicle-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lying is intention.

[–]Toxik63 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cool. You must be the 1st person in the world to never say something you didn’t mean.

[–]Modbsutansalt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The way I see it is she lied bc she cares about what you think about her, not the end of the world to me.

That is only one data point. Another is the fact the guy called after midnight thinking he's still in the clear to tap that ass. Add them up and something smells off. As I stated up thread, her behavior being cagey like that combined with the guy sniffing around signals clear failure to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

[–]linkinway1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

exactly the more TRP is growing, the more beta males are infiltrating it. anyone with sound mind who read this will definitely conclude that she was by no means any innocent here - she has no right to hide sexual relations with a guy who she has on the phone. it was smart of OP to unveil that on his own which saved him.

[–]Boogaboogabrother-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

How can you not have a fragile ego after that? Are you super man? A psychopath?

This guy had his ego destroyed but at least he’s swift with repairing by dropping her — forever.

[–]Lambdal729 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

That’s bs.

What if some old flame from the past calls you, your gf asks you about it, but you just don’t want to be bothered today with discussing bullshit.

Of course she breaks up. Lol.

[–]askmrcia23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea but op wouldn't lie. The problem is the girl lied about who the guy was to her

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, you're paranoid as fuck.

[–]EternalByte9 points10 points  (17 children) | Copy

Do you mind if I ask how old are? I'm about to go to university as well. How did you build social proof and how long did it take?

[–]TRPKaty[S] 19 points20 points  (16 children) | Copy

I’m mid 20s. It didn’t take long. I joined clubs, was outgoing, got involved in community service, and did leadership positions on campus. I also went to events and made myself known by being outspoken and blunt. It doesn’t take long if you’re naturally outgoing and people oriented.

EDIT: typo

[–]Aizenchair-sama3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy

When did you start uni?

[–]TRPKaty[S] 6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy

Started 3 years ago. I’m a senior now.

[–]Aizenchair-sama4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy

Ahh okay, I Started uni in my late teens but messed around and stupidly failed 2 years and I’m wanting to do it right next year at roughly the same age you started. Just isn’t really ideal when most of your friends are graduating and you’re just feeling like a failure lmao

[–]TRPKaty[S] 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy

Everyone’s journey is different. I started late too. So far I’ve done 4 internships at big firms Fortune 100 firms and am set to make 100k starting salary post grad due to my experience and knowledge, while those who graduated before me are going to be making 50k starting.

[–]EternalByte1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Everyone’s journey is different.

Yeah. I'm 17 and considering taking a gap year to work on myself before going to university. I feel like my social skills are seriously holding me back but I'm on the right track in terms of hitting the gym and academics.

[–]TRPKaty[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keep progressing. Just be open minded to things and everything will fall into place

[–]Kkiy0M1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

Wow congrats bro. What field are you in, I might as well start studying what you’re studying lol

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[–]ntkstudy4411 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy

Sorry but I have to call you out on this shit bc I’m sick of dudes like you in this sub.

Considering “business” isn’t an actual major at any halfway descent school, gonna go ahead and assume you ain’t really doing all that you say you are. So you’ve had 4 internships over 3 summers of college? That math doesn’t seem right. Also I hate to break it to you, but no “fortune 100” company wants freshman/sophomore interns, it’s a waste of fuckin time. They hire kids who we think we can retain.

never understood why people have to lie on the internet to boost their self worth.

[–]11-Eleven-117 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Plus I don't know why he thinks he'll be making 100k out the gate. Does he have a job lined up already? Doubt it, why is he doing another internship if he knows he'll be making 100k. Op is either full of shit or clueless about real life.

He has another post saying he started uni last year hmm.

[–]spungebawbswegpants4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

What are you majoring in?

"Business" 😂😂😂😂😂

[–]TRPKaty[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I don’t need your validation or for you to believe me. I know what I’ve done and what I’ve accomplished. I’m triple majoring in business related majors. One of them is marketing another is management information systems. Obviously I have to be vague because this is the internet and I don’t want to get doxxed. If you’re sick of “dudes like me” in this sub then I suggest you find another sub.

I started working when I was 14. I did my first internship when I was a sophomore. I already had experience and knowledge. After that is was easy to obtain other internships because of my background, grades, and knowledge. It also helped that ive joined the military when I was 17 and have been enlisted ever since. I have no reason to lie to prove my self worth. Stop being jealous and envious.

[–]BlairChase8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol this is one of the most insecure moves I’ve read on here.

Hot take- attractive women will have men blowing up their phone at all times of the day, all the time. If you can’t handle it then date 4’s.

Another hot take- she likely initially told a lie, as she has been picking up insecure vibes and knew you would end it or kick off if she mentioned she had actually banged another guy at some point. No way if your insecure enough to secretly check people’s phones that vibe isn’t come across in your social interactions.

Work on yourself bro, rather than male hamstering.

[–]TheDopestPope4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

So are you happy about it? Because to me you come across as a paranoid faggot

[–]KettleLogic8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy

She lied then came clean. I think you were drastic. Obviously you avoid possible misconduct with this strategy but people on here need to remember a red flag in mine minesweeper means you think there is a bomb underneath not that there is.

With only this conduct it sounds like a dude is doing what you are doing now. Hitting up an old plate. If you are going to break up with every girl who has this dynamic you might want to start looking in nunneries for partners.

[–]caoboi0255 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

This! I wanted to say this and was surprised by how many other people reacted to OP's decision.

[–]Arnoux1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Me as well. Probably OP was fed up with the girl and rationalized the breaking up

[–]Modbsutansalt-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

She lied then came clean. I think you were drastic.

Not so fast. The fact she lied about a guy actively calling her after midnight like that signals HE thinks they're still on FWB terms, and she's being cagey enough to warrant suspicion she's up to no good. That's a failure to avoid the appearance of impropriety right there. NEXT!

[–]KettleLogic3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

She also when asked to call him back was like "ah nah"

The logic you are running with that the guy hitting her up belief has anything to do with it is absurd. Check out sadcringe there are plenty of guys hitting up girls at 2am and getting no where.

Her acting cagey, I mean why are you believing op at face value that he held frame as well as he claims he did? Dude seems super concerned with getting the subreddit approval through constantly making mention of how alpha and successful he is while getting super defensive over the bread crumb of being insecure enough to check her phone.

I doubt he tactfully brought it up at all. I bet he said it with all of the tactfulness of the Gestapo questioning a home owner. At least the Gestapo had the good sense to realise people being scared or cagey around them is normal.

My vote she said no in the instance because she knows him and his frame ain't A game and his prone to dramatic jealousy. She then felt guilty to have lied and told him post shower because she was good quality.

Either one of us could be right. I just wish this sub was as skeptical of the guys posting as the women they post about.

Ain't no one with A game posting this piece of validation prose, so what else is slipping?

[–]Modbsutansalt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

We have no idea how tactfully he handled it, but it's the internet so we can only judge things as written.

[–]KettleLogic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. And from what there I dont believe him.

[–]MindlessCalendar11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy

I knew they used to fuck because I sometimes check her phone when she’s unaware. Call me insecure, beta, or whatever, but I won’t be made a fool.

You're definitely not a fool. It's actually a smart thing to do. Yes, you should trust her (when proven), but you should also always verify. Look how checking her phone made you dodge a huge bullet? Imagine if you didn't and you would have spend more time with her and then she cheated? You would be fucked in so many ways.

Always verify.

[–]TRPKaty[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I agree. Most people won’t and they’ll suffer for it. However I won’t be a made a fool. I’ll end it before that happens.

[–]Nergaal5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

The simple rule is "trust but verify". I trusted in the past and almost got out of my way to not verify, and got super burnt by it.

[–]PhaedrusHunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn what happened

[–]linkinway 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

but however that's not always possible because they might have a lock on the phone. how do you suggest then?

[–]MindlessCalendar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Try to figure out the lock. They will open it in front of you sometimes (if they aren't hiding stuff) and you can see how to open it.

[–]Hedser9116 points17 points  (10 children) | Copy

Why were you with her in the first place if her smv is so low and yours is so high? Nice humble brag btw, dude. Also, if you're in a serious relationship you can be a little bit more lenient in these situations. I have lots of numbers of girls I have fucked in my phone, I will never contact them. What if a girl like that calls me all of a sudden, my girlfriend should break up with me on the spot? And why are you going through her phone if youre of such a high smv? Trying to poke through your story because of the humble bragging.

[–]CasaDeFranco1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I dated women with lower SMV after investing in myself. I found that higher SMV women usually don't cross boundaries as often and are better at rejecting advances of others oddly.

[–]MR_SKINNYPENIS690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Seeing women who have lower SMV than you can be a lot of fun, especially if they feel like they've won the jackpot.

[–]johnnydanconia457 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

good work!

[–]kellykebab3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely the right move. If she didn't immediately realize in that moment that lying was a bad move, she's not trustworthy. It also definitely makes you wonder if she was covering up something related to that 2am call.

[–]trpppp1235 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

I might be missing something here but it seems like a bit of an over-reaction to end it over something like this?

Most girls have a past and she probably "lied" because she didn't want to cause drama. I mean if she was engaging with him by replying to him or texting him back, then I totally think what you did was right, but if a dude just hit her up from her past, and she didn't engage, what's the big deal?

She was probably worried you'd be mad at her for it so she lied under pressure, but later came to you and told the truth anyway... I don't see why this is a big deal.

AWALT, most girls have a past and will lie about it if you ask because they're worried about your perception of them... it's just one of those things you have to accept in this game

[–]linkinway-3 points-2 points  (7 children) | Copy

yea but when she still had his number saved and he was calling her at 2 am in the night... that too she didn't tell him about the sexual relations... its an entirely different story. as many other commentators pointed out... they were still fucking.. she just got caught.

[–]nixon9931 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

And OP has his ex plates number and he is going to call her but he is man afer all right.

[–]linkinway-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

And OP has his ex plates number and he is going to call her but he is man afer all right

how do you know that? stop bullshiting and whiteknighting. this had no contradiction to my comment even. point is hiding someone with whom you had sexual relations with and having him on the phone is a whole another story. there should never be any hiding, and if there is just know there is more to hide. you all are weak men, just so pussy hungry that you all will turn a blind eye to these huge red flags.

[–]nixon9931 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I am not saying op is wrong maybe she is still fucking him nobody knows for sure,but he is overreacting little bit.A lot of people call their ex becouse they are horny or whatever i am guilty of this too.It doesnt mean she is cheating and if you find one person who doesnt lie or hide something,good luck to you.I have alot of contacts on my phone i dont who the fuck they are i dont delete contacts every day.

[–]linkinway0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

yea like I said but she hid that ex from him. that's the problem. and whenever there is hiding means there is something going on.

If you are having exes numbers on your phone and your partner doesn't know about it, good luck to you when your partner finds out about it (which was the case in this one). hiding something this big is totally unacceptable and inexcusable. I am seriously done with this bullshit of yea there are other people who do this - that's bullshit, this is only what people who cheat say to condone their behavior.

[–]nixon993-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

In the end you do whats best for you.If op thinks thats best decision so be it but i think he wasnt that sure otherwise he wouldnt search for validation.

[–]linkinway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

you are being ignorant. go through the entire thread, most agree they were still fucking. post this on the generic relationship subs here, you will be much appreciated because there it is filled with sluts mostly who openly defend cheating women like even married women. don't take the wrong influence.

Edit: maybe they were not fucking. doesn't matter. it was just an added conclusion. point was she was dishonest and disrespectful to him.

[–]UncleWarwick6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

You’re an idiot

I hit up a girl I haven’t fucked in months because I was bored last night and she has nice titties. She could very well have a boyfriend. I don’t know. Nor do I care.

Most girls, especially younger ones, aren’t going to be comfortable looking the guy they’re currently fucking in the eyes and saying “yeah old ex, whatever.” Because they’re a fucking girl.

She’s probably thinking “oh shit John hit me up last night out of nowhere and TRPKaty saw it, what do i do????”

If you’re so insecure (which you are), instead of reacting emotionally (which you are), and if you know the dude (which you do), how about you him up and ask him yourself. Which will validate you one way or the other. You’ve already shot yourself in the foot so lol.

[–]PhaedrusHunt2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Man I think you must be at least 30 because you've lived lol. We've all been the victim of our own insecurities. It can become a negative feedback loop that spirals out of control

[–]UncleWarwick6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, I’m older. I’m not perfect - I’m going through insecurities of my own right now.

It’s sad to see the echo chamber in here honestly. OP is saying “I broke up with her because an old flame texted her late.”

How many times have you all texted an old flame that went nowhere? All of you have done it.

Now you’re congratulating a guy for making a rash decision - when he’s shown his insecurities by snooping through her phone. It’s mindboggling

[–]nixon9930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Glad to see there is someone with clear mind on this sub

[–]PiperBigBell16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'll get this out of the way as soon as possible. Yes, you did the right thing by leaving.

But, you are also a beta male and very insecure for having done what you have done so many times. Everyone has a right to privacy, and you sneaking around violating that shows way more about you than it does her. Going through her stuff shows me that you think that you own her and the contents of her mind. That you are an entitled person. That, and, if you felt like she was being unfaithful to you that just shows that you have a lack of standards. Having to ask the question shows you didn't initiate the vetting process the right way.

Next time you can tell a girl, "These are my standards. I want phone access for whatever reasons and I'll be doing random checks every so often until you can prove that you are who you say you are." You're not justified in any of this. Because even if you have nothing to hide, your space is still being violated. In this day an age a phone is a mirror of a person's mind and life. Be better. Vet better. Stop justifying shitty behavior. And be happy that this time, the ends even appeared to justify the means.

A final question. All the times you snooped, snaked, and slithered through her stuff like a jealous woman, if you had found nothing, would you still feel okay? Would you want it done to you? Even having nothing to hide, would you? Do you think she's entitled to your private space?

  1. You should know that women never fully break contact. And that there will always be people before you. Getting mad at this is ridiculous
  2. She's not yours, its just your turn. You tried to make her yours, and found out it was just your turn
  3. Learn how to vet properly
  4. Stop justifying your own bad behavior. Think of it like court. If the judge finds out evidence was obtained illegally, the entire case gets thrown out, because the state has compromised the rights and integrity of everything else involved. Use this as an opportunity to not only remember the rules of the game, but look at yourself player

[–]Helmet_Icicle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Having to ask the question shows you didn't initiate the vetting process the right way.

Vet better.

Bingo. It's a filtering issue.

[–]uptimex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Let me fix here.

*2. It is just her turn.

[–]PhaedrusHunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If he hadn't verified and she had wound up getting her tonsils buttered then coming home and giving him a kiss, would you blame him for poor vetting?

Don't get me wrong I think you make a lot of really good points.

I feel like we're having legal argument over the fisa court hear

[–]Distractingyou2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You did good

[–]Black_Jesup2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

These plates of yours... were their numbers stored in your phone?

[–]juggernaut_child3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds to me like OP basically could have mimicked the guy texting her for all we know lol Guy texts girl at 2am for booty call -> OP dumps LTR and proceeds to booty call

[–]nixon9931 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe...they are the same person

[–]JJ1505852 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right question is: would you brake up with her if ahe have told you YES, i did??? Something like: I was fucking a guy for 2 month and I realise that h us a right choice for anything else so I left him. But he stil want me back. Ima humang being and I love having sex and that guy seemd like a good choice at the time but didnt proove he is worth it.

Have u let her explain? I think this girl paniced and didnt tell you right away coz she was scared that she'll loose you. That you will think of her as a slut? DO YOU THINK OF HER AS A SLUT FOR HAVING SEX WITH ANYONE BEFORE YOU?

[–]whatswronglisa4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I should have done this with my previous LTR. She wouldn't tell me about something she did the first week we were together. She went to a party and said a guy touched her. I asked her if that was all that happened. When I confronted her, she wouldn't say anything. So I let it slide. She slept with another guy. Who knows after that how many times she's done it. I figured that out when we broke up after 3 years.

[–]uptimex1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sorry to hear this man. Most of us have this kind of experience, that is what made us come here.

[–]whatswronglisa1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, man. Thanks. I'm glad we have a community like ours that just gets this. It makes recovery all the more bearable.

[–]antichrist_redpill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You don't seem to be too much emotionally invested in her because you broke up with her pretty easy which is a good sign. If you told us the truth, you are in a good place right now and don't need that girl. Its just fucking with your head and you need your head for your purpose. Fuck this ltr and fuck all ltr in the future. You don't need that.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Everything about your post points to you being tremendously insecure underneath a veneer of strength.

[–]juggernaut_child5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Was this person long ago. OP sounds like he’s trying to prove he’s a BigDickBoi™ too, but fails to understand that the fact he’s trying to prove something in the first place is the weakness in his system.

Imagine living a life where you just didn’t care to prove anything, you just “are” and are amazing alone because you just do your thing like every other animal on the planet. You know, like a blissful childhood that lasts an entire life time.

[–]nixon9931 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I like second part of the comment.Ever took acid🤯

[–]juggernaut_child0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Acid, no. Shrooms and DMT, yes.

[–]nixon9930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lucky you

[–]1walawalawa7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't second guess yourself. She'll come back begging you to take her back.

Then you can decide if you can stomach just banging her. \

[–]TRPKaty[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not going to haha. There’s better women out there. Plus I’m in my 20s, entire life ahead, more women to fuck, more things to experience. Plus I can’t even look at her. I’m disgusted.

[–]SnowyTreeFish6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

You did the right thing but you’re still a fucking cuck. So insecure, and so interrogative. Be a man and do what needs to be done.

[–]flying-backflip22 points23 points  (13 children) | Copy

You're majorly insecure bro. You ended a whole relationship because a guy she used to fuck called her randomly at 2am. You freaked out because she lied about the person when most people would in her situation. Obviously she knows it looks bad if she admitted the truth. This is seinfeld level vain.

[–]MotiMorphosys9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

No, he ended the relationship because she was disrespectful to him in the form of lying.

This was an LTR, not a plate. he was invested in her on certain levels that require a level of respect far above what she was showing him.

Common sense..

[–]juggernaut_child-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you and your LTR aren’t lying to each other at some points in the relationship, then simply you two are not having good sex.

[–]TRPKaty[S] 15 points16 points  (6 children) | Copy

Lol alright bud

[–]bkjr128123 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy

Ignore, the white knight. Your gut told you some fuckery was afoot. Trust it.

[–]TRPKaty[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]Sonny_Luna 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Wtf? That’s pussy shit. If I was in her position I’d tell the exact same lie unless telling the truth afforded me some strategic advantage, such as dread game.

Lying is part of every single relationship known to man since the beginning of communication. I don’t know if you’re just terrified of women or if you’re so inexperienced as to have never had this exact scenario happen to you. It’s reasonable to expect her to lie in this situation. She’s obviously trying to protect his feelings. But you pussified incels are so mystified by women and you attribute such malice to them because they don’t care about you, that you think anything they ever do is indicative of some deviance.

So anyone who isn’t insecure enough to consider anything a woman does as malicious is a white knight in your eyes.

You’re a total pussy and you deserve nothing but contempt and disdain.


[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey you asked, and he’s right.

[–]kpl0081 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Stfu backflip, beta white knight cuck.

[–]linkinway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're majorly beta cuck

[–]linkinway-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

only ones upvoting your comment are the cc sluts 😂 don't be surprised there are plenty who intrude into TRP... caught one red handed just down below haha... well the sluts and beta cucks haha.

[–]PhaedrusHunt1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think you are asking if your personal boundary is set too tight. That's for you to decide. Anyone is free to end a relationship with anyone else at any time for any reason as far as I'm concerned. I think you're asking if this is good enough a reason.

If that is your boundary, yes.

I take a different approach. AWALT also means that all women lie. All of them.

They also fuck themselves over with it, because they lie over stupid shit for stupid reasons and throw a tantrum when they get caught like little children. It could be that this girl is legit into you, but she's trying to craft the image of her and your mind that she wants you to have. Women are really weird about being slut shamed and they can't believe that there are actually men out there that understand what their nature is. It's like-- you would have been cool if she had leveled with you. I'm guessing you would, anyway. if she had just said, "It's a guy I used to hook up with before I met you and nothing's happened since and I'm going to text him back and let him know I'm in a relationship and he shouldn't be trying to booty call me at 2 a.m." Would that have been acceptable?

But she just had to lie to protect her image, and she got dumped for it.

I'm at the point where it's just amusing and I would say he probably just needed to come borrow a cup of sugar. They all lie they're like little children.

Demote to plate.

[–]juggernaut_child0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Everyone is a child, dolt. Everyone experiences anxiety at some point in their life. Sociopaths even, but to them it’s a high. Everyone lies. Why don’t you grow up and realize nobody is perfect and mistakes are made in the heat of the moment, especially under the rush of adrenaline release? Whether OP is justified or not is irrelevant. For all we know, OP could have just been tired of her ass already and this was the last nail in the coffin. Who cares, OP is gonna do what he wants. No different than the rest of us. Shit happens. Bottle this anger up and save it for when you want to fuck a girl into dick-whip status as opposed to smearing the same anger-phase shit all over the walls of this subreddit. Absolute waste of anger.

[–]PhaedrusHunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, everyone IS a child, juggernaut child.

[–]Hydrakeen1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hopefully she grows out of that dumb shit.

Sucks she didnt follow through and cut him off with you to witness. Seems like her only rational move.

[–]cyyr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You shouldn’t have gone through all that confrontation and all. Just tactfully make your exit and say away from her. If she loses her mind over it then even better

[–]Andorli1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

LTR lied about fucking a guy in the past. Broke up with her. Did I do the right thing?

Without even reading your post: YES

[–]th33unsaltednutt3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You made a decision and thats that. Just learn to deal with the outcomes of your actions and just move on and keep doing your thing. Thats life, not all decisions have a perfect outcome.

The crabs in the bucket are real when people are already dragging you down for your decision. You had boundaries set and it was crossed. So your decision fell in line. If you kept the relationship going after your boundaries were crossed. Your boundaries are bound to get crossed again. You give and inch and some take a mile.

Also congrats on the intership and hope you do well. Keep on grinding man.

[–]ThrowawayYAYAY20022 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Booty Call's at that hour are a crazy thing to experience in real time.

You did the right thing.

Kinda makes you wonder what she would had done had you not been there...

How long ago did they break up/stop fucking?

[–]TRPKaty[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I broke up with her today. This all happened this morning. The dude called her last night.

[–]ButMessiDeservedIt2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

He's asking when did your gf and her ex break up.

[–]ThrowawayYAYAY20020 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep ;-)

[–]TRPKaty[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ah haha I was confused but I’m not sure it was a few months before she and I started dating.

[–]whammyface0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They might have stopped fucking (I’m 50/50 on that) But she still gave him PLENTY of access all this time. I guarantee this was not just a random call out of the blue. There was some normalcy to this Shiy that wasvestablished behind your back.

[–]Lateralanouncer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do what you want. Personally If she is a good lay I would demote her to plate.

[–]craneonacrane1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think you're being little bit of a cunty sociopath. What would you say if your roles are reversed? Saying it was some chick I used to bang and now she is calling for my cock? Who the fuck doesn't have some history?

[–]juggernaut_child2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Other posts indicate OP gets high off power and does what he can to feel like a BigDickBoi™. I mean, dude dates lower SMV women, wants them fully dependent on him, and is willing to abandon them on a whim. Look, I get might is right. These are power moves. But what’s all that power going to do for you when you’re cold and limp forever? How insecure in your frame and assets do you have to be to blacklist any girl of higher SMV instead of pursuing a constructive relationship with a better balance of power?

OP’s going to shit a brick if his career ever takes a wrong turn.

[–]Dumweight0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes sir

[–]Psycholephant0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You did the right thing and I can only hope I would be as strong as you if I was in a similar position.

[–]Rp9970 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Off topic: How do you manage to figure out what her password is ? All the girls use Face ID on their IPhone these days so you can’t really figure it out.

[–]linkinway0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

hmm that might be tricky.... face id her while she is sleeping maybe.... or make a replica of her face, watch it on YouTube, it actually works... face id is the most insecure lock

[–]PhaedrusHunt1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you had a picture of her in your phone and you put it in front of her phone would it work? Intriguing. Asking for a friend lol

[–]linkinway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

nope. YouTube it man

[–]nixon9930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So you want to be alpha who is snooping on his girls phone

[–]BluffButt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Absolutely, she lied because he is still a prospect to her. Good choice brother.

[–]250kcal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Whats your question? Shouldnt this be posted to the main sub?

[–]agjrpsl0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

She's probably banging the other dude righ5 now. Good move.

[–]nixon9930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Probably,maybe,not sure...

[–]Sylvester_Sterone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women are always going to have past orbiters and flings thanks to social media.

Maybe it was a drunken 2am phone call for a blast from the past booty call. Maybe she was still seeing this guy.

Good job following through but grow some thick skin. You can’t prevent a girl from being hit on all the time.

Set your expectations early to prevent this crap from occurring.

[–]QuentinLeiataua0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good work brother. Leave that hoe and fuck more bitches now

[–]bakachelera0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You did the right thing.

[–]MR_SKINNYPENIS690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a win because university is the worst place in the world to have a gf. Now you're free and not trying to keep a gf at a time and place where women are most likely to be sexually promiscuous.

[–]idontevenlift370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You absolutely made the right choice. You ended it now vs. dealing with a ton of pain and misery down the road when you catch her fucking that guy or somebody else because history repeats itself.

[–]SoulRedemption0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I didng read the post but only the title. From that, even if people say you did the wrong thing does it matter at this point?

[–]throwawayhealth934290 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

100% did the right thing bud. Props for doing it so calmly, well done. And you're right: she's only sorry cos she got caught. It will hurt for a while, but you'll get over it, and then you'll be proud of yourself for having balls and doing the right thing, I know I would be.

[–]whammyface0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You made the right move. This puts you in the best position to move On and it also Puts you into in the best position to move forward with a better relationship. Instead of wasting your time thinking talking will work you draw a line, created new boundaries, and some with your actions. No matter what these assholes say, this is salvageable. But that’s on her making the changes and doing the work to earn you back and started on the right foot by serving consequences right off the bat. But we both k ks this wasn’t out of the blue... he called her at 2am because she felt entitled to based on her allowing it and there’s a metric fuck ton that you don’t know.

[–]PolesWithGoals0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

100% the right move, good looks

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I said thanks for telling me.

Amused mastery. Keep this up, it's a tool that will do you well over your lifetime.

I have way higher SMV then her, I lift, have social status at university, and will be doing an internship at a Fortune 50 company next summer.

None of this has anything to do with keeping your dignity.

[–]OlderRedBrother0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Keep it up dude

You’re gonna be a slayer when you’re my age

You young guns these days with this knowledge 😭😭😭

Go forth and CONQUER!!!!!

[–]luce830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Puzzled about the whole thing about her past relationships and who she used to sleep with. Did you make it a big issue about discussing past relationships when you two got together? I feel you are missing some stuff out of here, partly to get past your own behaviour and why you need to know this information. And another thing why are you checking her phone? There is no justification for checking someone else phone. Clearly you have trust issues, have put them onto her and making her the problem.

[–]chad_is_in_my_lady0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why is this hard next and not soft next?

[–]danielcrestwellbestb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

100% respect bro, I would ask you for advice if you’re still around

[–]EspressoCappuccino0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Did the right thing bro. Dont second guess yourself👍

[–]griz3lda0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Honestly she probably lied to you bc you were acting like a little bitch. Who cares if some old fwb calls her?

[–]linkinway1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

checked her comment history, she seems to be some cc slut.

[–]lazydogg90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You did the right thing. I would've done the same. Now don't go weak. Block her on all modes of communication. Fuck around a lot to get her out of your system.

[–]Exo23030 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You should expect this sort of behaviour by default, it's up to them to prove you wrong.

[–]LeEbinConchShell0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

you couldn't have handled that better *applause*

[–]Livecrazyjoe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You set your boundaries and acted on them. I see nothing wrong. If all us guys did this then we'd have less behavior like this.

She'll always remember how she fucked up and hopefully she makes better decisions in the future. I won't hold my breath on that one though.

[–]Zanford0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

An ex-fuck calling her is meaningless (guys call up exes all the time when they get horny and are hoping for an easy re-lay) but yes her lying about it is a pretty bad sign. She's probably not about to fuck him again (just cuz guys call their exes all the fucking time and so each individual time is not meaningful)

You probably already had a gut instinct she was a cheating risk, given that you've been going through her phone and have thought a lot about this incident.

[–]-ThePathIsTheGoal-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody ever said doing the right thing was easy.

Even though you knew what to do, and followed the TRP principles to a tee, you’re still a human being with emotions that bonds with other people. Everything you’re feeling is normal and it’s normal to want the community’s opinion.

You did great. Onward and upward.

[–]Gordon-G-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Move on, these thots aren’t loyal

[–]mickJagermeisterr-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good choice. The biggest problem is her having his number saved, which means she probably still talks to him and maybe something more

[–]bakamoney-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel I read this exact post earlier (???)

[–]Red_Pill_Brotherhood-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good on you for handling it perfectly. Definitely do not take her back ever. You made the right move 100%. Just go do the standard RP stuff now: game other women, fuck your plates, focus on lifting/martial arts, be on purpose and keep on improving.

[–]meganano-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just trying to get clear here, if she had been honest about it, you hundred percent wouldn’t have broken up with her? Would you keep checking her phone and treating her as if she’s untrustworthy?

[–]Hypnot0ad-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, remember, it's just your turn. It was once that dudes turn before you. Big deal - not like she claimed to be a virgin. I can see you being upset that she lied, but could that be her response to your insecurities? Be honest - what would you have said if she told you is was a guy she used to fuck?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

For lies about sexual history, I recommend an immediate hard next. It's not a big jump from lying about sexual past to lying about sexual present.

[–]FillySapper-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

So when your future gf asks if you fucked another girl before, and she sees this girl trying to hit you up... then what.

[–]Haytch1234-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You did the right thing. But next time fuck them and cum on their face before dumping them.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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