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**Realization** Gay men are not just like straight women

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November 1, 2019

I'll preface this in saying, I think I may be RP'd but I still have shit in my life to sort out. While trying to figuring out who the hell I am, I am seeing a difference between women and men.

I'm a fairly fit guy now and only got this way after working through some serious baggage I picked up being in the scene and from childhood. I also had pre-hypertension about a decade ago and it was my wake-up call.

I make it a mission to set a challenge for myself everyday and to go balls-to-the wall and make that goal happen. Doesn't always work and some days I feel like I wrestle mental demons, but a nice workout helps me chill out and face another day.

Female family members and former female friends comment and coo over how great I look and I must have all the guys/girls after me. At first, when I was shallow as fuck, it was nice now it comes off as banal chit chat, especially when they ask me to write up a plan and methodology for them. They balk at the hard work it involves or bit!h about doing a diet or restricted eating.

It just made me see that when it comes to hard work, like Patrice O'Neal said (paraphrasing) Women do not want to work hard. Women want to wait at the finish line and then ride on top of the guy into the sunset

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Title **Realization** Gay men are not just like straight women
Author Rano_Ali
Upvotes 7
Comments 10
Date 01 November 2019 05:06 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]EXQUISITE_WIZARD4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't get it.. what does this have to do with gay men?

[–]Rano_Ali[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Mainstream media/society at large would have you believe that gay men and straight women are one in the same or allies. Maybe that's part of the brainwashing that's sold to gay men to effeminize them... just a thought though.

edit: all men -> gay men

[–]EXQUISITE_WIZARD1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I see what you mean. Maybe I've just had a different experience but I always felt that being effeminate was discouraged in gay men, or at least not seen as desirable. I tried for a long time to suppress it because of that.

[–]48151_623420 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hatred of gay male effeminacy is pushed by heterosexual men. Gay men internalize it and push it on themselves and other gay men. Inherently, no one hates themselves. Society's ideals and standards, once internalized by us, cause us to hate ourselves. No one would give a shit about one's effeminacy if it were seen as neutral by society. However of course it is seen as very negative, not neutral, so it causes one to want to suppress it and feel repulsed by it when it is exhibited by others.

This is where the halo effect come from as well. When people exhibit "good" qualities (beauty, fitness, health, strong adherence to gender roles), we assume they themselves are good. When someone exhibits "bad" qualities (fat, unhealthy, ugly, dumb, poor adherence to gender roles), we assume they are bad people. Regardless of what their character actually is. The "good" person could have awful character, and the "bad" person could have extremely good, saintly character. But it doesn't matter; few will ever see it, distracted by the more superficial qualities that a person exudes. Hence TRP and looksmaxing.

[–]48151_623422 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women do not want to work hard. Women want to wait at the finish line and then ride on top of the guy into the sunset

True for some women. Not true for all.

Likewise, MOST men I have met have 0 desire to work hard, especially as it applies to anything involving self-reflection or discipline, like exercising and dieting.

And I don't mean to single out men here; this applies to most people. Most people have 0 desire to diet or exercise.

This is also true for most gay men. They/we are much more similar to your characterization of women: 0 desire to diet or exercise or work hard. Very few of us actually try to better ourselves.

[–]chastityBoy4You0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Gay here and really see that last sentence in action. So many female friend just getting lazier and more stagnant looking for a guy to be with. It gets harder and harder as theyre now acting and eating like they have a 20yo body still and they will find a prince charming.

Meanwhile "prince charming" spends his days improving himself while she is getting frumpier. Ive had friends claim "if i can just find a man who works out I will be in great shape." That line disgusts me. Not only is she depending on his goals to become hers she is also writing off that she needs to work to improve herself at all. Its lame to see this in person.

[–]Rano_Ali[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

"if i can just find a man who works out I will be in great shape."

After a few failed attempts at helping friends get disciplined in cleaning up their diets and habits that line pisses me off like none other too. What I see of it, the guy/gal looking for that one buff Adonis is potential hijacker of the first guy they can latch onto and work down to their standards. This now makes me wonder if there are long lasting mixed success oriented couples, and I mean success in any sense (money, fitness, business, education, etc).

To play devils advocate for a moment, if these seeker friends have a mindset to succeed and simply need that first nudge in the right direction it may work, possibly.

[–]chastityBoy4You1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel that couples should always be pushing each other to improve if it makes them both happy.

[–]crackpjp30 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No but the thottery and cheating is all the same... these little shit bottoms will tell you anything you want to hear because they don’t like being alone... or fucking your best friend behind your back and lying or calling the cops on you when you haven’t done shit. Yes the mainframe may be male but when all you do is plug shit behaviors into it what’s the fucking difference. Go your own way gents. They’re all hoes.

Now if I did find my self a cute bottom who was a virgin from a traditional/country family... yeah I’m down but the chances of that and slim to very fucking neigh. So yeah... it’s almost as if that’s what sex dolls are for😂

[–]Rano_Ali[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If I could make a suggestion, go to a rural town. I travel around a bit for work and outside the bigger cities I've found more traditional more guys who are into men who are curious. I can't say if those guys were virgins or not, but that's a topic for another thread. ;)

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