I’m starting to think this club shit is a waste of time.

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November 16, 2019
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Honestly, i can’t tell if its me being a beta or me just genuinely lacking game in the club scene. Its filled music i dislike, weed, and general obnoxious bs

I mean, i’ll go if invited, or if i’m aware, but most of my lays are a product of me being interesting.

I can’t chat you up if your 100% focused on your homegirls. Its just, too much effort for pretty much zero return. It takes effort to pull bitches in the day, i don’t have time to get my soul crushed at night as well.

Should i just give it up? Cause i’m not a fan of this shit.


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Title I’m starting to think this club shit is a waste of time.
Author UniversalFapture
Upvotes 142
Comments 141
Date 16 November 2019 06:10 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/295431
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[–]1Red_Pill_Brotherhood145 points146 points  (8 children) | Copy

Club scene obviously isn't for you. Thats okay- Im not a big clubber either. I'll go from time to time but its not really my thing. I like an environment where I can have some convo and where the chicks attention span is longer. Daygame, approaching in natural situations during my day, bars that arent TOO crazy, etc.

[–]UniversalFapture[S] 27 points28 points  (7 children) | Copy

I’m tending to agree, and to be honest, this is dangerous to my confidence.

[–]1Red_Pill_Brotherhood55 points56 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're letting it affect your confidence. Anyways, club aren't the best for a number of reasons: high competition, women's guards are up, many people are drunk as hell, huge groups can be difficult to penetrate sometimes, women have very short attention spans in environments like this, women go here mostly for attention while most guys go for pickup.

Club game can definitely work, but its not optimal.

[–]UniversalFapture[S] 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

These hoes have short attention spans as it is

[–]PayneGreyWolf4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Which is why the strategy to getting the most out of you can in a club is to be short, sweet and to the point. Most importantly, get out of the club asap and to someplace quiet, ideally your place. Introduce yourself (preferably to a girl showing IOI's to avoid wasting time), make small talk (3 min or less) and keep it pushing. If you see eachother later in the night, dance and give her an excuse to leave the club (ex: let's go eat). = Easy lay

If you go with a small group and are there to genuinely have fun, even better (social proof). If you're just going to the club to get ass you're sabotaging your success in that environment

[–]Sad_Sleeper16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well i started doing club game with the sole purpose of getting rejected. Belive me i couldn't approach a single girl. Now i just go, talk some shit, whatever i want. 10 will reject me, the 11 will like my witty sarcasm.

[–]falcorn2231 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

But they all rejected you?

[–]Sad_Sleeper3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, and i am still alive.

Rejection is better that regret!!!

[–]ElegantCyclist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is pretty close to how clubs really work.

Guys who do it well are usually extremely good looking and socially connected to start with.

You also don't see the guys posting about it or the girls they are getting.

It's not that hard to get girls who are -3.

[–][deleted] 97 points98 points  (18 children) | Copy

For the most part it is a waste of time. Honeypot designed to extract the maximum amount of money from thirsty betas.

[–]UniversalFapture[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed

[–]IndiansSmellLikePoo30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ie buying girls drinks

[–]Hungboy69694209 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep they exist to take your money and who's spending at the club?

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

literally. pulling from clubs and loud parties is so easy if you know how. it's essentially a meat market that only like 5% of the guys in the club actually have any idea how to really take advantage of.

the other 95% occasionally get lucky, buy girls lotta drinks, get a make out sometimes, get zero action etc. etc.

game saves lives. but it's hard to get game.

[–]OttoVonBismark711 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

so I have a question about this.

my day game is unstoppable. essentially I am able to approach any woman at any time and I almost very rarely if ever get blown out (ironically, the uglier the girl the worse my chances!). this is because I'm excellent at openers as well as convo improvisation, and I have no approach anxiety as I have had so much success that I simply no longer *wonder* if I can succeed but *know* I can from broad experience. my typical move is catching a hot girl off guard (let's say she's just getting on the subway and has had no chance to really size people up), talking to her like a kid sister, and then withdrawing attention. 9/10 times *she'll* ask *me* for more information because it's a total flip of the script

but in clubs I suck (unless I can isolate). I feel like girls are on their guard and there are better looking guys than me, and my natural advantages (namely, talking to her) are minimised. any suggestions?

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[–]OttoVonBismark711 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

with no purpose

that's the problem. you always genuinely need to have a purpose otherwise you're faking it and she can tell. coming up with a purpose isn't hard though. for example, the weather has just gotten cold here in NYC and it has given me the opportunity to stop women on the street and ask where they got their coat from (because I'm cold and need new clothes). it's been a great opener and it's genuine.

I'm also really really good at building a lot of rapport within about 5 seconds so that it doesn't feel like talking to a stranger, but rather to a friend.

I would highly suggest taking an improv class. It will help you in business too.

[–]UniversalFapture[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So... whats the secret?

[–]TheGillos0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just tell her: do ee oo ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang ooh ee ooh ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang.

[–]antariusz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Solution: purchase a bar and extract resources from thirsty betas.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That describes most of society these days though, to be fair. You just work within the system and let everyone else pay for it.

[–]fratercicero56 points57 points  (18 children) | Copy

I had this exact epiphany about a year ago. What I did (which I advise) is stop going out. Maybe I’ll go out once a month, but instead of partying 2 days a week I stay in and go to bed at a normal time. This in return cemented a consistent sleep schedule which improved my mood, saved me time (a man’s most valuable asset), allowed me to lift more/get greater gains (from more lifting time/more recovery from sleep), and saved me a shit ton of money (literally thousands of dollars). Since I still want to get laid all I did was start cold approaching girls during the day. I know you said it’s a lot of effort approaching during the day but trust me, approach one girl a day five days a week will get you results (I’ve banged 7 girls in the last 12 months doing this). If you have any other questions let me know bro, there’s no reason a guy has to spend thousands of dollars as well as use his valuable time for the chance of maybe getting laid.

[–]enlightedM13 points14 points  (11 children) | Copy

Could you share some of your cold approach experience? Like what you said, what was the scenario, what was their reply?

[–]fratercicero36 points37 points  (10 children) | Copy

Well I’m a senior at a large state university in the United States so as other people here have pointed out I definitely have an easier time coming across hot girls my age. My strategy is that once a day walking to/from class I stop a cute girl and ask her for directions to somewhere I already know. When she’s done giving me directions I just say “Ok, well I actually just asked you that because I thought you were cute”. It’s pretty corny but I have a pretty high smv so most of the time they are flattered and then I proceed to ask her things like where is she going or what’s she doing. My advice is that it really doesn’t matter what you talk about it... What’s important is how you talk to her. Keeping your shoulders back/standing tall, speaking in a slow/relaxed deep tone, etc... just like over texting can shoot yourself in the foot so can over talking, so keep it brief and say “Hey I’m already late for class so I gotta run, but if you’d like give me your number and we can hangout sometime”. Oh and lastly MAKE SURE YOU SMILE. Not like a 10 year old autistic kid but show that you generally enjoy your interactions.

Summary, if you have a 7.5+/10 SMV and you hold frame you’ll get a number like 50% of the time hope I helped

[–]ExternalCake9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy

Where do you take them to meet up? Where do you smash?

[–]fratercicero10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy

I take them to my house 2 blocks off campus. I live with 9 of my bros there. I’m into cooking so I invite them over to cook. “I don’t know if your into cooking but I’m cooking ____ dish on ___ day, if you’re around come and join me. They usually do, and after we cook I almost always smash. It’s a cheap date (under $10) and I smash 80% of the time.

[–]ExternalCake4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Cool thanks man. What are your favorite dishes to make?

[–]badabing65414 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

Jesus christ, are you the fbi lmaoo

[–]ExternalCake12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

dude stop seriously im this close to getting his mother's maiden name

[–]badabing6548 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably give it to you. His question answering game is top notch

[–]JSuma2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Quality thread all around

[–]FBI_AGENT264 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

law enforcement noises

[–]its-mystery4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks man, I needed this

[–]Diche_Bach9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dudes got game like a 50 year old stud in a 23 year old body.

[–]Giagle5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's awesome

[–]no_its_a_subaru5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Did you ever feel like you are missing out on something by not going out?

Don’t get me wrong I agree with you, I hate clubs, they are designed to fuck over the men who go there and club game seems so dumb to me. It’s either be the most obnoxious jackass there incinerating money to flex and peacock or pray to god that the girl you’re about to hit on hasn’t heard the line that you’re a about to use 10+ times today.

As odd as it might sound day pickup seems so much more organic to me. I can use the location and whatever else is around to make conversation. In contrast to the club where every thot is there to validation farm and get free drinks from thirsty betas. That being said I still feel like I should be out on weekends doing something fun, or at a bar or show. I didn’t get to really do any of those things in my early 20’s and maybe I’m subconsciously trying to make up for it. Idk, just wanted to get someone else’s thoughts on it.

[–]its-mystery2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah man, don’t spend weekends inside unless you’re working on side hustle. Make the best of it. Go to social places. Meet new people. People even pickup at Museums

[–]no_its_a_subaru2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

People even pickup at Museums

Fuck yea, museum pickup/ dates are some of my go to’s. I’m into photography so it’s super easy to get girls to “model” in front of something and take it from there. Plus museums have lots of quiet places where you can sneak in some kino and the trill of potentially getting caught and being “bad” makes chicks fly off the handles. Even if logistics don’t work out for the close, the constant waking and scenery changes builds so much confort and connection that usually all the need for a second date fclose is an excuse to meet up.

[–]its-mystery0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Totally. It’s just, i don’t think girls my age go to museums. I’m 20

[–]no_its_a_subaru1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The last girl I picked up at a museum was 20. Most of them will be the artsy type so idk if that’s what you’re into. As long as you have some minimal art knowledge and don’t look like the typical “artist” twat you should actually have an easier time. (Google brandon woelfel if you don’t know the look I’m talking about) I’m so far away from that look that they can’t help being interested.

[–]LexFrota48 points49 points  (16 children) | Copy

What do you like to do?

In clubs you'll find girls who like clubs. Who like attention from drunk guys and getting hammered at 2 am.

Find the stuff you like and you'll find girls and people who like the same there. If you like getting up at 6 am to go for a run, you'll find chicks who like to do the same, and they probably don't go to clubs until 5 am.

[–]UniversalFapture[S] 14 points15 points  (15 children) | Copy

Should i look into new hobbies? They are mostly male dominated

[–]RileysRevenge16 points17 points  (10 children) | Copy

Yes. Martial arts is fantastic, but it’s not impressive to women unless you’re a black-belt world champion. Until then girls see martial arts as dorky (just being honest here).

Keep doing martial arts, but find a hobby that you enjoy but is also impressive to women. Be the best at it. Examples would be:

  • Art
  • Music
  • Acting
  • Sports
  • Modeling
  • Racing
  • Bartending
  • Weightlifting
  • Cooking
  • etc

There’s always going to be someone better than you. Just be the absolute best you can be. Try to attain some public notoriety. Women will take notice.

[–]RugerHD10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy

Note that he isn't looking for hobbies to impress women, but rather to meet women.

[–]RileysRevenge6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

If you can impress women, you don’t need to meet women. They’ll come to you.

[–]MindlesslyBrowsing2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

But how can they be impressed if they don't know you? I genuinely focus on my hobbies but that doesn't make me meet new girls that much.

[–]deadstick_it7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Kind of like my situation. I fly planes and girls would be impressed by that. Problem is that there aren’t any girls hanging around at airports and a truth about women is that if something isn’t physically right there in front of them then it’s not real. I’ve proven this by pulling a few away from the bar and f closed at the hangar when they saw that plane is real and I’m not full of shit.

I need a new hobby. Ha!

[–]MindlesslyBrowsing1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I guess what we can do is talk about our hobbies when the opportunity comes up. There'll still be girls in the street for day game.

[–]RileysRevenge0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The Internet. Build a presence. Post rad photos or yourself doing your hobby and being great at it. Build your social circle. Meet new people- guys and girls. Don’t try to fuck every girl you meet- even some hot ones if there’s no vibe.

Having hot girls as friends is the best way to surround yourself with other hot girls who will want to fuck you.

Then other dudes will want to hang out with you more because they can tell you’re good with women.

Rinse & repeat.

[–]MindlesslyBrowsing1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow man that actually seems like awesome advice, I don't exist in social media because when I had it, it was simply a waste of time. But I can see how I can leverage it with this perspective!

[–]mrbasic-0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Wait, modeling is considered a hobby?

[–]RileysRevenge1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Most people modeling are trying to “make it” and/or make it their sole income.

If you just do it for cool photos and some store credit or fun shooting with friends, it can absolutely be a hobby.

[–]mrbasic-1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh word? That's dope, I might actually look into modeling as a hobby!

[–]LexFrota9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

What are your current ones?

If you're into this specifically to find girls, then I guess yes. Although I don't approach things like this, I do the things I like and don't care about that.

But then, I am a ballet dancer, so I can't say I have male dominated hobbies haha

[–]UniversalFapture[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Martial arts.

[–]LexFrota11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I dunno, don't you like other activities? I for one like roller skating in the park sometimes. But I don't do that for chicks. I do it because I enjoy it. Girls are a collateral. This is where I think many red pillers err, they still so things for girls. Girls come as a part of you improving yourself and being your own man.

[–]Bleizy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That would depend on the hobby. Cooking, playing music, dancing, horseback riding, reading, language learning, anything related to crafts, yoga, working out, are not male dominated.

[–]RileysRevenge47 points48 points  (4 children) | Copy

The thing with clubs is, your SMV must be so high that women are eye-fucking you before you even talk to them. And, they have to make it pretty blatantly obvious they want to talk to you. Otherwise, you’re right- they’ll say they just want to dance and be with their girls.

The stakes are high at clubs. It’s concentrated hypergamy on hard-mode.

Honestly, your best bet to making club-game work is:

  • make your SMV undeniable.
  • ignore the girls and have fun with your dudes or group of people
  • pay no attention to the females but be aware of who’s looking your way. Once your sure they’re trying to get your attention, then you talk to them.

This is really the only way unfortunately. OR shoot below your usual standard and use the shotgun method: talk to as many as possible and be prepared for lots of rejection. Fortunately, girls (and guys) are used to being approached at nightclubs, so rest assured you won’t come across as weird. Just have fun and be confident. Exude outcome independence.

Source: work in nightclubs

[–]scorpionkinggg11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

This x10000

[–]falcorn2232 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

So how do you get a high smv and get noticed by girls? If you're good looking and have a good physique (4 years of lifting) and dress decently (they have dress codes), what else do you need to look high value?

[–]RileysRevenge1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone is different so you’ve got to sort of find that extra factor yourself. I would recommend extreme confidence and lack of “thirst”.

Make it obvious you give zero fucks about the women there (don’t be an asshole just focus 100% on having the best time with your friends) and they’ll wonder what makes you different.

Again, outcome independence is everything.

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[–]2stoned0jaguar9tre5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

thats sad, some of our best djs in the southwest USA are from the UK.

[–]Kobinks2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Is it fuck, your average top 40 club plays that shit yeah but the trick is to go to an actual decent sesh...

You go to any major city in the country on a friday or saturday and you can find a dirty sesh with either house, garage or techno.

If you're going to the local commercial PRYZM or other generic super club you're obviously going to get shit music, just go to where actual named DJ's are playing.

[–]zaheer12a0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know EDM is pretty big in London.

I guess larger cities just have more variety. Here in Amsterdam there are both Hiphop and EDM clubs.

[–]JoeBuckYourslf10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

I stopped going to bars/clubs in my early 20s. It was then where I’d go 3 nights a week. Now I maybe go 2-3 times a year. Maybe.

What a fucking waste of time.

Serious question.. why the fuck would you knowingly go knowing that you dislike the club in general?

[–]Hungboy69694201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same. I'll go see a DJ I really enjoy a few times a year and or if I'm traveling to a big city. Thats basically if for me

[–]smgtn9 points10 points  (20 children) | Copy

I'm in a very similar position - I fucking hate everything about clubs and bars, but I don't have many options. My day approaching conversion rate is even worse. Those chicks are always running somewhere and if you get in their way they give you this "DIE NOW!" look which under different circumstances they probably wouldn't. It's a fucking hectic world we live in. At least in clubs and bars they're not running anywhere and are quite a bit more receptive.

I see some people giving advice here from a rather biased perspective, because their lifestyles/jobs allow them more socializing, but if you have to sit on your ass in an office all day long and don't have time after work, because you'd rather have a good night's sleep and a workout - your options are pretty limited.

I was thinking about maybe trying some large mall with a chance to isolate some thot while she's distracted counting her Victoria's Secret loot. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[–]rosesmellikepoopoo14 points15 points  (19 children) | Copy

You’re going out with the intent of picking up women, and with a losing mentality at that.

It’s never gunna work.

Just let it happen naturally. I got 3 numbers last weekend before I even got to any bars/clubs.

First one was buying a beer in a store, told the girl next to me the beer she was getting sucked and to get the one I had.

Second one was outside the same store, 2 girls were walking down chatting, put my arms round them both and got one of their numbers.

And the third I don’t remember too well but I was walking to a bar and I got chatting to some chick outside a McDonalds and got her number.

I didn’t even want to get numbers I just wanted to chat to some new people and looked for any interesting opportunities. Don’t overthink it or be afraid of anything.

Just go out with the intention of having fun with your friends and girls will notice and give you signs. Go out with the intention of getting numbers and getting laid and you’ll give off a thirsty vibe and get labelled a creep.

[–]smgtn13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy

Well, just confirmed what I said about biased perspective due to different lifestyle choices.

You buy alcohol - I don't, that would be bad for my gains, sleep and overall health. Hell, I rarely even go to store, I get my food delivered by Amazon and that saves me a lot of valuable time.

2 girls were walking down chatting, out my arms round them both

I can see that backfiring in the #MeToo world. Not worth the risk. Actually I used to do that many years ago with decent results, but today I'd be way more careful.

Just go out with the intention of having fun with your friends

Don't have too many friends, especially those without nagging wives.

Life choices put many of us on very different paths, so we have to work with what we've got. Bars and clubs fucking suck for me, but you go where the fish is.

[–]RileysRevenge2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I admire your will to not drink and your reasons behind it, however:

Women that are out at nightclubs are usually there to drink, let loose, and have fun. If you’re not drinking, you’ll inevitably come across as stiff, and they’ll sense that from a mile away.

If you can handle your liqour and allow it to increase your game, then you can make it work in your favor. Women are liqoured up at clubs, are much easier to approach, and much easier to take home and even date.

I’m not saying this to you as much OP because it sounds like you’ve already got your situation figured out, but for everyone else reading: clubs can work well if you can handle your liqour, be the man of the hour, and still wake up and workout and go to work.

It’s a delicate balance.

[–]smgtn0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Actually there are ways to relax and in fact compounds that mimic the effects of alcohol without it's negative side effects. Keeping up with that kind of stuff is actually one of my hobbies. Advanced BLTC 😎

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Which compounds? Pheni?

[–]smgtn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is certainly one of the best, yes. In combination with phenylpiracetam it will put you into kick ass mode.

[–]Pycnostyle0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Where might one go to learn more about this better living?

[–]smgtn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nootropics subreddit of course.

[–]bionix901 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

You put your arms around two random strangers in a store and walked away with a girl's number?

Seriously, I don't know who I feel worse for. You making this shit up or the gullible fools who believe you.

[–]RanaMahal3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy

to be fair i’ve done that 3 times, once i got a fuck out of it, once i just had a decent convo before she bailed and once i almost got pepper sprayed in the face so i’d say it has a 33% success rate? ymmv lol

[–]bionix901 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

And then the whole store clapped. That girl's name? Albert Einstein.

[–]RanaMahal1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

nothing ever happens amirite

[–]bionix900 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

No, plenty of things happen. Just not that.

[–]RanaMahal1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

if you say so baby

[–]deadstick_it1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

You can’t argue with idiots. Lol

[–]RanaMahal1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

am i the idiot in this situation or is he because honestly i can’t figure it out myself at this point lol

[–]Thatbiengsaid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Best advice and it works every-time.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire23 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't go. It's not for you. You are enriching people who make a living degrading other people under the guise of providing a venue for socializing. Find a better scene. Even better, put yourself in the position to make the scene.

[–]masterpiece005 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Its filled music i dislike, weed, and general obnoxious bs

Why the hell would you go when you already know this and feel this way?

[–]okuli4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Follow the fish

[–]deadstick_it3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s like sticking your finger in the electric outlet a second time.

[–]2stoned0jaguar9tre5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

It depends on your looks. You better be in the top 10-15% physically. Grooming gots to be on point and so does your clothes. Gotta have miney for drinks. I hated clubs until i started to get physically better looking, and started to go to the right clubs. Ones with young chicks instead of those ratchet look at me im dressed up tonight and post wall places.

Cluvs are also a gauge for me. If i do shitty in terms of pulling girls or didnt pull that girl i was feeling that night, i can take that thought out at the gym for weeks. Especially if i was close and fucked up somehow.

But i like to dance so, if ur not into dancing then theres one less reason to be at the club.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

How long have you done it?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

I go there solely for the music anyways. I don't care about drunken wannabe chads and crazy sluts.

2 days ago on a dubstep/trap event a girl came up to my face, pulled down my skull mask and looked at me for a few seconds before making out with me. I admit I was caught offguard.

She wanted to know who I am - I didn't answer. Anyways I disappeared in the next moshpit. Because I cba about sluts when my music is playing.

Clubs are pretty bad for pulling imo. I hate the environment so much. I stand no chance against roided aggressive neanderthal chads. It's basically their playing ground.

Most of my success is from having a conversation & talking to girls, teasing them etc.

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[–]bionix90-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy

If you think that way, you probably are the idiot in the room.

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Physique makes all the difference in the world but even though I have no doubt you are a roided aggressive Neanderthal, I doubt anyone is thinking that they have no chance against you. That's not how people think or behave.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

This is not what hamstering means. I literally play with a handicap in a club environment with my current self - IF we talk about getting girls, which I am not trying to do at clubs. Furthermore, how tall are you?

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No excuses, just curious.

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[–]mariusabazios2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Clubs stop being that cool once you age. I never thought I would say this but most of them are really shit.

I used to go out alot, anywhere from 4 times a week to everyday. Now I carefully select specific events and I hit one party a month, tops. It's jus not worth my time anymore. I prefer to invest time in other areas of my life instead of pretending I have fun doing the same shit every night.

[–]RaidenDark2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I only go to the club for artists I like. I don't recommend ever going for any other reason(maybe with the exception of an artist your homeboy is into, to keep him company). There's going to be a serious difference in your game when you're there because you want to be VS being there specifically to pickup.

"What brings you here tonight"

"...uhhhh, stuff and things"

Nope.

"What brings you here tonight?"

"I fucking love Pendulum"

Alright, let's hang out

Approaching in the club is easy. If you're having trouble, you're letting yourself get too deep into your own head.

[–]SalporinRP2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. Clubs are not only loud and expensive but they're also the most materialistic way to game women. From my experience all that matters in clubs is looks and status but it's to an even more extreme degree than in real life.

All the 8s and up aren't even giving you the time of day unless you have your own table plus bottle service which is hundreds of dollars.

I cut back a lot on going out (once a month at this point), but when I do go out I much prefer more laid back bars with a dance floor.

On another note bars/clubs are good if all you're into is fucking dumb bar sluts but if you want to try to game women with some modicum of substance you need to look in different areas.

[–]1InformalCriticism2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

All of my encounters that were worth anything to me were cold approaches in loosely appropriate social/professional situations (not to be confused with shitting where you eat), and social acquaintances.

You don't need to pay for a chance to introduce yourself. Just be in a community where introducing yourself is to be expected.

[–]seducter2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Day game is 100% easier and the girls dont have their guards up as much. Just go up to a chick and tell her you saw her and think she's cute. Introduce yourself, then say "I gotta get goin, but let's grab coffee this week". Give her your phone with the contact entry screen and let her fill it out. Too easy.

[–]UniversalFapture[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

In the day or @ the club?

And what if she declines? I wanna accept the L gracefully

[–]seducter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

In the day. At the mall, grocery store, etc. usually they say they have a bf, so you can just say “that’s too bad, well it was cool meeting you.” Generally they will be impressed you had the balls to come up to them. It’s a numbers game so maybe 1 in 10 or so will be a number close. After that, just set up a meetup somewhere. Isolate to your place after etc.

[–]manofnoego1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You don't have to force yourself. If you don't enjoy it, don't go. That way, when you actually feel like going, you can go and have a swell of a time, but the only way that can happen is if you let the fun come to you naturally.

How it works is very simple: Girls (and most people really) are naturally attracted to guys who are genuinely having fun, and if you cannot genuinely have fun, there is no point anyway. All this stuff about trying to game girls is actually making your game weaker.

So congratulations on coming to this realization yourself; and from here on marks the point where you'll see more and more clearly as time goes on, that pulling girls will become natural and effortless to you, as if it's second nature—because really, it is. And the best thing about this is, you don't have to do anything different that you would have done in the first place, just being you.

[–]scorpionkinggg1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The most ONS’s I’ve gotten from clubs have been unintentional. It’s really numbers/luck game.

And that’s on top of having decent SMV.

If you are not already getting IOI’s at clubs then forget about it.

[–]downvotesanimals1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, the club scene is shit. Try elsewhere. The important thing is to do what works.

[–]porkmissiles1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I totally agree. If you want to collect trash go hang out at the dump.

That being said some of the less mainstream clubs in the bigger cities may have some interesting people inside. Bars with good jazz bands playing or actual non mainstream music are probably going to attract people for the music and weed out the girls who come dressed like hookers collecting in-person likes.

For me I find the type of music playing is pretty indicative of the calibre of people inside. Top40 low effort shit music? Likely brainless hoes with no interests.

[–]ghosts_of_me1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

go to clubs for the music not the girls. If you dont like the music dont be there.

[–]GrooveDive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I recently started working at a club. My job pretty much consists of work for the first couple hours then partying the rest of the night with free drinks, so I've been getting a lot more accustomed to clubbing pretty quick. I find it's only soul crushing if you go with any expectations other than having a blast. When it comes to girls there, I rarely get results other than a couple numbers and some dances, so if you're the type of person who doesn't enjoy the loud music and find it hard to have fun with strangers, then the club isn't for you. You have to be top tier attractiveness to get consistent pulls clubbing, I just go for fun and the odd success will make your night. I don't think blowing off steam is a waste of time (especially since I'm paid to be there), but if you're only going to get girls than sure you can call it that.

[–]Regam451 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know what you are talking about. For a cupple of months in the beginnig of this year I've gone out clibbing regularly also mostly alone. I found it a hard enviorment, guards are up here (Switzerland) as well. The only reaspn i think you should go is if you genuinely enjoy the music and like to dance. For me it is Latin music, where i learned to dance approach a bit by observing the more experienced guys. It can be en interessting place to observe RP behaviour.
But I'll be honest and say it hasent gone further than some grinding and a Kiss fore me.

Bit

[–]Zero-Milk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is a waste of time. "The club" is a place where you can expect everyone you meet to be 100% fake, and personally, I can think of a million better ways to spend my time, many of which include putting myself into situations which don't require that I craft some imaginary version of myself to appear cooler than I am.

Go out to the club when you're already in good company, and go without the expectation that you'll be bringing home a 20-something early burnout, and you'll likely find you have a better experience. As for picking up women, raise your standards and put yourself into more environments that actually allow you to be yourself and engage with people the way you're naturally inclined, and I promise you'll have a much easier time of it.

[–]Jsieijejeieokkd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m a club it’s close to impossible to have a conversation, girls are out in packs so their anti slut defense is on high. If you vibe with a girl and then isolate you can make it work, but never buy them a drink.

Try kareoke bars and bars where up and coming adults hang out.

Maybe try a club that is not your scene. If you are white go to a black club. If you are a preppy guy go to a redneck bar. The key is to be different. Still same rule isolate or your chances are slim.

Changing venues works well too.

Try church, it may seem counter intuitive but it’s a good social venue.

[–]1XXXMersenne0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

you can leave it behind if u want, but u can also get really really good; sober and get the bulk of the understanding out of the way quickly.

Check this out and see if it reboots you on the right track

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I despise clubs. I haven't been to a club in over 5 years, I will turn down all invitations to a club even if it means cutting my night short, and yet my dating/sex life is better than ever.

[–]IXseed0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'd look for other places. I love bars/clubs but I actually like being there in general.

If you're trying to game at a place where you're not 100% comfortable you're playing an away game where more things are against you. Better to play on your home court if you have the choice to.

[–]PolesWithGoals0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If it’s not your thing, don’t force yourself into it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't do things you don't like doing brah. Life is too short for that. That goes for everything, not just clubbing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I hate club environments too but there’s no denying how easy it is to get laid there if you are high value and pretend you’re having fun.

[–]ias180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have gone to clubs only multiple times since I was introduced to red pill, and honestly I totally agree with your point. It is very hard to game in the club scene; you can barely talk to anyone, girls prefer to dance and remain with their friends, and you have to have God-level SMV to isolate a girl and dance with her. Given such circumstance, I prefer day game over night game and just go to clubs to enjoy my time with my friends; instead of expecting to pull girls and getting laid.

[–]spider_13370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with the sentiment however i love the club scene. I live for the nights i get to get fucked up and drunkenly make out with some broad, who knows maybe I'm just too young i suppose. Imo its always best to learn to adjust in uncomfortable situations.

[–]str8_rippin1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes it's just fun to go out and get absolutely destroyed with your friends

[–]Valuevow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It depends. I'm a relatively good dancer. Especially Latin dances, I can get a girl to grind up to me no problem, and get her really horny and ready as far as that she pulls me in to make out and let's me touch her everywhere. Pull her over to a chair and let this young 20smth give me a lapdance. It's pretty awesome and easy to do when you know how to dance well. However, it's just an in-the-moment emotional reaction and it could be that you take down her number and next day she's already forgotten about you. It doesn't easily translate into sex. I've always found that time and logistics fuck me over. But it's fun while it lasts If you can't/don't enjoy dancing or the music.. don't go dude or. you gonna be that creepy dude that passive aggressively stands in a corner watching a guy make out and hoping for some action himself with a girl 😑

[–]freethemans0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

As others have stated clubs just aren't for everyone. I personally am a fan of rap music so I like going to clubs that play hip-hop, but if I wasn't a fan I probably wouldn't go (music is very big for me). You have to go w/ a group cuz other girls always go with a group of their friends or their bf. You're not gonna have much success trying to chat up girls who are occupied w/ their friends when you're alone (not saying it can't happen, it just isn't very likely).

I've found that going w/ a group of girls always disarms other girls at the club. If you're alone or w/ a group of guys girls may automatically think you're a "creeper" for approaching them but if you're with at least one or more girl(s) I've found that it tends to disarm most women you approach from thinking you're a "creep."

[–]UniversalFapture[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thnx

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