Perpetual red pill rage: are some men better off MGTOW forever?

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November 20, 2019
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I read The Rational Male years ago. Been consuming more red pill content since then. I still have not reached a point where I even feel like dating again. I honesty feel like "the juice just isn't worth the squeeze". Does this really mean I have "given up". Should some men just be MGTOW forever? I feel like it's one thing to accept female nature; it's another to voluntarily sign up to deal with it.


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Title Perpetual red pill rage: are some men better off MGTOW forever?
Author E46M54
Upvotes 89
Comments 98
Date 20 November 2019 05:57 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/295967
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/dz5mrp/perpetual_red_pill_rage_are_some_men_better_off/
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[–][deleted]  (9 children) | Copy

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[–]abomba2454 points55 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes this. be honest with yourself - it's very easy to rationalize unproductive behavior as your choice. Slippery slope

[–]ialreadyreadit3334 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Whether someone agrees with your POV really depends on if they see women as an essential component of a happy life.

A purpose, a home, family, health, financial security are all essential, but it's highly debatable whether women fall into the same category of importance. In fact, judging by TRP ideology, I'd say women fall more into the category of overly consuming hobby than something essential to a happy life.

Personally I enjoy socialising with women, but if OP doesn't find the same pleasure then it makes sense he should be doing the MGTOW thing, at least until that changes.

[–]BJJ-Panda10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

mgtow doesn’t mean you don’t see women, it just means you put yourself and your goals first and if a woman comes along then cool, and if not no big deal

[–]ialreadyreadit3335 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe I'm mis reading his post. It seems to me that he is saying he feels as though he doesn't want to deal with women in his personal life (in a romantic way) at all and when he says MGTOW he means acting on this feeling. That they aren't worth the effort and he would be happier without.

I think what you're there describing is a perfectly healthy view... but I didnt think that's what OP meant.

[–]BJJ-Panda0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree this isn’t what OP expressed, this was just my understanding of MGTOW. OP is still in the ‘anger phase’ as he said which isn’t healthy

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agree!

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe?

[–]bestsparkyalive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Amen brother

[–]Ass-a-holic-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

How do you know how a mgtow spends his day? Isn’t what u wrote the same as reddit/feminists saying TRP is about tricking women/pro rape and filled with losers?

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed69 points70 points  (20 children) | Copy

If you don't want to fuck women, then that's ok.

What's not ok is using your "rage" to overlay your desires as an ego protecting coping mechanism shifting blame from yourself to "women".

That's what you need to figure out.

Have you ever had abundance?

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten42 points43 points  (18 children) | Copy

I think we know the answer to that

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[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yep. Impossible to hate women once you understand them as people

[–]Ass-a-holic10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Really? The more experience/time I’ve been around women the more I dislike being around them

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[–]hrm08942 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just hate them. They constantly manipulate and use men--just look at some of the fools in this thread. Then, after they hit the Wall, they will sucker some poor beta who doesn't know any better. They are awful people.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

And it's impossible to stay mad at people who are nice to you all the time.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't go that far.

[–]Metalcrazyx1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Indeed, also impossible to love them once you understand them. I don't blame the mosquito for sucking my blood, but sure as hell don't 'love' it either

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

I couldn't disagree with you more, as if gaming them is supposed to make you happy.

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Obviously, but youre attributing happiness to abundance. Youre the one making the claim

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think youre missing the point of the whole post, you act as though we are missing some information but this all is going above your head. In abundance the shallow and pedantic nature of women is shown at full force. In my opinion, if youre capable of living a whole life with the mentality you have right now, I would consider you more naive than the blue pills we make fun of here.

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

amazing argument

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Many guys haven't. That's basically like saying, "have you ever tried being rich" when someone's in medical debt.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Seeing a lack of sex as medical debt is victim mentality. Can't get onboard

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It however illustrates the point very simply. That the request of OP that "abundance would change your mind" provides him with no explanation of how to escape or why it would we don't know for certain whether he truly cares or not

[–]PhaedrusHunt34 points35 points  (17 children) | Copy

Are you angry at reality?

Or are you angry at your inability to deal with it?

[–]wtfdoiaskfor14 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Or are you angry at your inability to deal with it?

Let's assume this. What now?

[–]think_90909096 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ultimately, you have to realize that you only control yourself and it's absolutely pointless to criticize or blame everything or everyone around you. You have to have to move on and make the decision to work on yourself. Nobody else will do it for you.

Step 1: Stop being triggered by everything and start focusing on the positive things people do everyday.

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[–]PhaedrusHunt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not sure he seems angry. Perhaps he is...

Read his title again man. Perpetual red pill rage. Sounds pretty angry

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Would you be living a happier and more fulfilled life if you were fucking women?

Are you uninterested in gaming women because you're too preoccupied with other worthwhile shit, or are you uninterested because you know you'll be bad at it and it will hurt your fragile ego?

[–]PhaedrusHunt9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

After reading some of the other comments here and discussing things with other people a little bit I think you might have a similar attitude to one of my best friends. Interesting guy. Israeli that served in the IDF and is a US citizen now and got divorced a few years ago after like 7 years.

I've seen pics of his ex who is an absolute babe and a yoga instructor that can do all sorts of stuff, and it still wasn't enough for him to want to work it out even though he had oneitis for her.

He's about 34. He owns his own company. He runs works out does kickboxing so his SMV keeps going up.

He has absolutely zero interest in dating anyone right now. He goes out and picks up a chick about once a month, bangs hee a couple times and ghosts.

His attitude for women is dismissive and blasé, But it's not that it's women in general it's just more that he doesn't like the way they are behaving these days and kind of thinks they're on a high horse. In other words he thinks he's better than they are and he's pretty much correct.

He doesn't spin plates, isn't even interested. He does however have a desire to have children one day, and when I asked him about that he says that his wife is currently age 15 at the most. Fucking hilarious. I guess this comes from his background where growing up in Israel when he was a teenager his mom used to tell him stuff along the lines of his wife hasn't even been born yet.

I can't argue with the guy's logic. He says whenever he turns 45 he's going to start dating girls that are 25 at the oldest and keep it like that for the rest of his life if possible.

One thing about the guy though is it's gotten to the point where I can't invite him to parties and stuff like that anymore. He's had an argument with pretty much every one of my wife's girlfriends, couple guys and our friends group, and my wife too. So the one thing is it's like he hasn't completely convinced himself of where he stands yet, he still questions it and it manifests in these arguments with people over political and social issues that he's trying to work out in his head for himself. The thing is it makes for a terrible atmosphere to have a party. You can't just sit around and tell the truth to women you can't engage them on that level but he engages them as if they are men.

and although he says he doesn't have residual anger toward women I think he still does a little bit because we all have our BP dreams that are the male equivalent of girls wanting to be a Disney fairy princess bride. You just have to get to that point where you're not angry about reality anymore you just accept it.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (7 children) | Copy

I feel you brother, look at the top comments to your post, basic bitches whos only argument is that you must have a fragile ego or are self loathing.
Brother I lifted myself into someone that had dreams and went out to make something of myself. I was confident, gamed several women at a time and became more popular than I had ever been before. And in the end my restlessness came full circle. I found instead of finding some meaning and happiness I found that the world was full of shallow narrow minded crabs who wanted nothing more than to be validated and propped up on your failures.

We are taught to accept women for what they are, I found more and more that I was happier in my naivety, I cant love something I dont respect and I am hard pressed to find a woman I both respect and can be attracted to. And I know what it takes to go out there and try to find one, for what? I dont find any satisfaction fucking a bunch of human fleshlights, there is quite literally nothing substantiating involved in that effort. Its animal, its basic and fundamentally shallow.

I dont have an answer for you, all I can say is that there are others out there sick of it all as well. Dont listen to the frogs spouting their snake oil of fucking dopey broads. There is nothing honorable about gluttony or hedonism.

[–]Ass-a-holic3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Excellent response. You write like someone with experience, most of the people replying don’t sound like they’ve experienced much in relation to women

[–]hrm08941 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is asktrp. Most of these guys don't truly believe in AWALT and are still in the LEARNING phase of getting pussy. Once you get it, you realize it's not all it was cracked up to be.

THE JUICE IS NOT WORTH THE SQUEEZE.

[–]GetBehindMeSatan6666 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

^ This

[–]Metalcrazyx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I love it when I read something evolved, high IQ here, besides the 'go lift, approach, game' cookie cutter shit

[–]gsp95117 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

The sexes are complementary. Women need the masculine in their lives just as much men need the feminine. I believe you're coming from a mindset of scarcity, because if you had abundance in your life you would be enjoying the female psyche for what it brings of good to your life. Remember, a Man with options is a powerful man. It seems your forgot the lessons, so reread The Rational Male.

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[–]gsp9511-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you!

[–]Metalcrazyx-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

They are only complementary as far as reproduction goes (need sex for babies). Men don't 'need' the feminine besides that. This is blue pill romanticizing

[–]liquorbaron3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not a black or white issue. IF you feel as though you don't need or want women in your life at the moment or in the future, it doesn't mean that it will forever or has to forever be that way. Women are a side quest if you choose it. That's all it is. They're NEVER your main quest. Your main quest is improving yourself and doing shit in your own life that makes your own life better and makes you happy. If you choose to allow women to be a part of your life or not is on you. Some guys have decided that women can bring more fulfillment in their own lives. Some guys don't see it that way. Every guy is different.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil11 points12 points  (12 children) | Copy

Hai Red Pill I really wanna give up and be a faggot. Can one of y'all please tell me that I should be a forever alone faggot cuz that's what I wanna hear. I'm the kind of faggot who's indecisive in his faggotry and needs other faggots to tell me to fag before I can fag confidently

How would you rate this translation?

[–]Ass-a-holic1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

When did mgtow = giving up on everything, I thought it was just about giving up on serious relationships with women. Also Where is everyone finding these unicorn women that are attractive, interesting, and fun to be around that anytime someone mentions going mgtow they get torn to shreds.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

In 2015 MGTOW content hit such a critical mass that we were able to survey the population and determine that they were the kind of queers we bullied in middle school.

Just look at your response. You feel excluded and now are begging me to show empathy. Gay.

Respond with a picture of your hand with MGTOW written on it so we know you actually lift.

[–]Ass-a-holic0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Hmm interesting, I'd like the link to the study please?

The only thing I'm lifting is my cheeto bag to my face, m'lady

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Until you respond with a picture of your hands with MGTOW written on it, we can safely say that you have frequently moisturized buttery smooth coomer hands and not the hands of a lifter.

[–]ahackercalled4chan0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

10/10

also, he said he's consuming RP content, yet doesn't say anything else about what he's done. therefore, obligatory "do you even lift bro?!"

sounds like this guy has done nothing but masturbate, mentally or otherwise.

[–]E46M54[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Been lifting for years. Good job, house, toys, money in the bank, but all in all disinterested in game.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bro I suggest doing something that gives you purpose. I volunteered with my community and it helped a lot. You meet a lot of kind hearted people too.

[–]ahackercalled4chan-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

what are your stats?

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[–]ahackercalled4chan-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

huh? I'm not trolling. just curious to see where OP's at

[–]Gaidsbola-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Accurate for 90% of the people posting questions here.

[–]Dilduo7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

U don't have to date when you can plate.

Accepting is part of dealing as its life man.

If you choose to ignore women and go full mgtow you will just become bitter and angry and women and the world.

The hermit always thinks about the other.

Accept women for what they are and use it to your advantage. Don't date, just plate. Only start dating of you feel like you may want to reproduce at some point soon.

[–]nonutnovember773 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

How do you expect to plate if you don't date?

[–]Dilduo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I meant date as in LTR. Yes go on Dates if you want. Just never upgrade them. You shouldn't care how your plates act, rather just fucking them and getting new ones. Thus you don't have to put up with the women's shit you dislike all the time

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everything you said is sidebar material, you arent actually responding to his question. The problem is that what you put is the default solution, which it clearly doesnt work for everyone.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whether the juice is worth the squeeze depends not only on the juice, but on how good you are at squeezing.

[–]Madhatter7472 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Low SMV: MGTOW middle SMV: REDPILL High SMV: EITHER REDPILL OR NEVER HEARD OF ANY OF THIS STUFF

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think you could use a different approach. You probably visualize it all as going up to girls at a bar or day gaming or some other such shit. That sounds and feels like a chore for many guys. Go out and do stuff. Lately most of my opportunities have come from just doing things out in the world. No day game, no night game, just living and doing interesting and fun stuff. I plan on taking a dance class when the next enrollment comes and after that I plan on taking a music class, haven't decided what kind though. Point is, I'm going to interact with people naturally, I'm not going out with the purpose of it.

[–]Pluglord0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This

[–]prettyprincess910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah - this is even advice for women on how to meet guys - do the things you enjoy doing and you will meet people that you have something in common with.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–]athrowaway-90010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent information. Just shows that people either don't do their readings nor have they even applied half of TRP principles; especially shown by the ridiculous amount of posts that can easily be answered by reading the sidebar.

[–]1morescoobysnacks1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

most men are better off not circle jerking about theory in this faggot ass forum. no body told u to to get married dawg.

[–]smgtn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I went MGTOW or monk mode, whatever you call it, for a while in my late 20s, but I did it for different reasons than most do though. I did that because at some point I realized 2 things: fucking chicks became boring and it is having a major negative impact in terms of time, energy and resources it requires.

In the end you should ask yourself what do you have to show for in your life? Do you want your biggest achievement to be fucking hundreds of chicks or do you have something else in mind?

EDIT: Just wanted to add this obvious bit of irony - eventually even the most hardcore redpillers will MGTOW. Why? How many 70 somethings do you know who are still spinning plates? Yeah, time will come when you can no longer get it up and then the end game is always MGTOW.

[–]WolfofAllStreetz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, we’re just better than them.

[–]AlmostWardCunningham0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I make too much money to casually date. One bad move and it could be all over with, and I've worked way too hard to throw it all away.

I'll get married when Kurt Russell gets married.

[–]prettyprincess910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Russell married actress Season Hubley, whom he met while filming Elvis, in 1979, and had a son, Boston (born February 16, 1980).

[–]MagnumBurrito-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Do some LSD. Kill your ego. You'll see you're the problem. Not society or women.

[–]E46M54[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Would try DMT if I knew it was real.

[–]Eartripping3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It literally exists bro

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[–]Spaghetti1776-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some men have shit genes and mental illnesses than will never go away. Red pill is for men with natural desirable traits who should reproduce, mgtow is for men who no matter how hard they try, could never be a high value mate.

Both are needed to put women back in their place and bring about the age of polygyny.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

It depends. If you can't meet women's standards then yeah you better stay MGTOW.

You can work to meet their standards but your effort will get you so far.

This red pill shit is really for attractive men.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes.

[–]Over60_FireTempered30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes some faggots are better off MGTOW forever.



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