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Natural alphas don't lift

by slay_it_forward | February 27, 2015 | TheRedPill


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Looking back at all of the natural alpha characters I've encountered in my life, a reoccurring theme I've noticed is that very few of them lifted weights. Even if they did, it was usually for a purpose like training for a sport or to actually enter a bodybuilding competition, not to look jacked. Why that is I'm not 100% sure but I believe it comes down to their inner confidence which they gained from growing up in a masculine household. Also, they probably naturally have high T which contributes to their confidence so they don't feel the need to look like an Adonis to attract women.

I bring this up because there's such a huge emphasis on lifting in this sub for the purpose of enhancing your aesthetic. The mindset goes something like this, 'you need to get jacked so the ladies think your haaawt'. Looks-money-status and all that. The mindset should be more 'challenge yourself physically and stay in shape'. The difference is in the former you're lifting to look good, in the latter it's to challenge and exert yourself because that's what brings out your masculinity, with looking good being a bi-product. Frankly, obsessing over how you look is gay. That's what women do.

Challenging yourself physically makes you feel like a man which is obviously good for your confidence and will also balance your hormones and keep you healthy. This doesn't mean you need to lift weights. I went surfing for the third time in my life recently here in the Philippines and battling the ocean on a board for 2 hours left me feeling exhilarated and tough. I'm guessing MMA, rock climbing, intense labor, playing hockey, etc would all have the same effect. I'm not saying lifting weights doesn't have this effect but you should be doing it for the right reasons.

Chris from Good Looking Loser wrote about the trap guys can fall into when getting into bodybuilding here: http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/get-laid/plight-of-the-lonesome-bodybuilder-part-3. I was one of these guys. I lifted for 15 years and was usually the most jacked out of all my friends but it didn't do a damn thing when it came to getting laid because many of the other pieces weren't in place.

I've been all of the world and North America in particular is overly obsessed with muscles but it's more the men that are obsessed than the women.

Go to battle in whatever way you choose and then take that masculine energy and flirt with girls. Show your sexual intent. Get rejected. Do it again. Eventually pussy will come.

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Title Natural alphas don't lift
Author slay_it_forward
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Comments 32
Date 27 February 2015 09:19 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]LC27752 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd say choose whatever sport/physical activity gives you more confidence. For me it's martial arts (Muay Thai and Bjj). Some guys prefer gym, others would rather spend 3 hours rock climbing. Its really a question of preference. A real alpha does whatever the fuck he wants

[–]anonlymouse1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are attracted to markers of high attractiveness, among those are broad shoulders. Natural alphas have naturally high T, so they naturally have broad shoulders. The rest of us have to lift to get there.

It's also quite feasible to get a sufficient body doing things other than lifting - such as a sport, but lifting is very well studied and is a fast and direct path to the goal.

[–]1oldredder1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

We live in a new generation where many labours are performed by machines.

30 years ago far less was.

100 years ago even worse for technology.

Being a real man with a real job meant, pretty much, you were lifting but it was your paid work rather than "going to the gym".

In today's society with so many things driven by engines, motors, robotic arms, hydraulic machines for plowing, bulldozing, etc., what's a man to do to keep fit?

Today's alpha man lifts. The jobs of yesteryear where you always had lifting/dragging/etc. as paid work are far less common.

[–]Tankingtype1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lifting also helps with confidence building, which is why its probably suggested so much in this sub

[–]CptStelios0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

One of my best friends is a 5"11, skinny-fat ginger with not even great facial asthetics that is drowning in pussy. He used to be really fat but now he´s just average out of shape. The thing with this guy is that he is a natural with the ladies, spinning plates and getting the number of the cute waitress without even asking...

He is just crazy confident and also doing very well for himself businesswise. In my beta days I couldn´t put my finger on how he does it. He is just great at socialising and fun to be around while I was just odd and socially awkward. His confidence and success with women in the past lets him float through life on a cloud of self satisfaction. Girls love it.

Sometimes it really pissed me off, but actually it´s quiet thought-provoking. As his approach doesn´t come naturally to me, though, I go the self improvement route with great success. But I like to believe that it´s the things that lifiting does to my mind rather than to my body that get me laid.

[–]slay_it_forward[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

As RSD would say he's 'in his own reality'. Funny enough that guy actually sounds like he looks like Owen Cook.

[–]CptStelios0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Googled the guy. The pictures of him with the badly groomed long hair. That´s my friend, allright...

[–]BlaiseDB0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Probably the most naturally alpha guy I know lifts just to keep in shape so he is happy with himself. He's a reasonably big guy - 6'1" and 220 - broad shoulders etc, but not a body builder physique. He just doesn't want to balloon out to 260 or whatever.

I am no alpha, natural or otherwise, but I have enough skillz to land a tall, slim, beautiful girl 22 years my junior. I just recently turned around my diet and exercise for my own reasons. She takes a piss out of me every now and then about my gut. Same with many others who had high SMVs. That being said, they don't mention anything until after I had already taken them to bed once.

On the other end, thinking back to when I was in my early 20s, I was in the army, trained by the airborne, had good pipes and a slim waist and all the young girls noticed. They said so. They complimented me. They took me to bed.

It makes a difference. As hard as it is, it is probably the easiest thing to change and improve.

[–]SgtBrutalisk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I disagree. I just got a dumbbell for 30 euro with adjustable weight and I love it. Lifting it gives me amazing clarity of mind.

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[–]reddishman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Guys submit naturally to the man who is more strong and jacked then them. The strong masculine guy is Infact seen as the leader. Women have the innate ability to pickup on these little social clues.

Every guy should lift enough to have a defined body. Broaden his shoulders, have some chest, have some back muscles to have a v shape appearance. You know what sucks on a man ? An hour glass figure with a pudgy tummy !

[–]slay_it_forward[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Staying active and pushing yourself physically in whatever activity you choose should be enough to keep you strong, healthy and give you the appearance you mentioned.

These young guys I was surfing with recently were ripped, the same way I was when I was younger. Zero lifting. I guess if you have really bunk genetics lifting might be the only avenue to getting a manly look but the hand you're dealt is still no excuse to obssess over your look.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Strength, lean mass, improved metabolism, prevention of numerous chronic conditions( diabetes, heart disease, obesity etc ), improved mobility and balance, improved posture, improved bone density, decreased risk of injury, enhanced performance of everyday tasks. The list goes on...

You mention surfing, I surf and have for years but it is not a replacement for resistance training. If you choose not to lift that is up to you, but any smart man will lift because of the undeniable benefits that come with it.

I'm not saying you need to look like a IFBB pro bodybuilder or a fitness model, but if you can't see the benefits of have a strong, muscular physique, you are either lazy or need to do more research.

[–]slay_it_forward[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've played high level sports most of my life and, as mentioned, lifted for 15 years. Wouldn't equate that to laziness and I'm obviously aware of the benefits or I wouldn't have done it for so long.

My point wasn't that there aren't benefits. Thought I made that pretty clear. My point was about the mindset - need to get jacked to attract the ladies. It's not necessary and it's a feminine attitude. You don't need to lift barbells and dumbells to be getting some resistance training. I mentioned surfing but I also pointed out several other activities that would provide resistance. Surfing in-conjunction with some body weight exercises would be a great workout and all you would need for all of the benefits you listed. For most of human history men did work. That's all that was necessary to be a beast. Like my grandfather, they didn't worry about having a six pack to attract Suzie at the dance. Their masculinity took care of that.

Again, I said you need to challenge yourself physically. That does not mean you have to be putting a bar on your back and squatting to the ground, although you could.

There are also undeniable risks with heavy weightlifting. I have three herniated discs in my spine from it to prove so. I know now you're going to accuse me of improper form but that's just not the case. When you push yourself to the limit there's risk involved. Here's an article Mark Sisson (red-pill paleo nutrition guy) just came out with addressing that exact issue.


[–]idle_reception0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Honestly I thought the main reason lifting was so heavily advocated here was to learn a simple discipline. Yes you do look better which leads to confidence in your physical SMV but the real hidden treasure was learning to grind for something you want.

In all honesty I started "lifting" to help back problem, I adopted the 5x5 strong lifts a few months later when I almost couldn't follow my MMA/state wrestler friend up the side of quarry free climbing. I physically couldn't do the activities I wanted to do so I decided being skinny wasn't the same as being in shape.

I guess you're right though, it wasn't until I came here I decided I was unhappy with my physical appearance (6'1 155lb) and started ice cream 5x5 and bulking.

The biggest thing that struck me though was how ever aspect of my life improved after I started lifting. I realized this after 2 months of monk mode, returned to our local pool hall and ever one was impressed with how much my shots had improved. I literally went from the worst in my circle of friends to winning 2/5 games against our raining champion.

[–]slay_it_forward[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lifting helped your pool game? Lol. Pool takes next to no power.

[–]idle_reception0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Check out MLG most of the those guys are physically fit. It's not that my power has increased but mu body controll.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think the whole of RP can basically be summarized as "Testosterone". Everything it advocates is stuff that someone with naturally high testosterone levels would do anyway, regardless of whether society tells them they're wrong. Lifting raises your testosterone, which is why so many RPillers have found it to be so beneficial for them. It's not so much the physique they get that gives them new respect from others and glances from women (although of course that plays a part), it's more the way they carry themselves and act from increasing their testosterone. That's why you're kind of right: natural alphas will do well because they have high testosterone, regardless of whether they lift. A feminised environment will have some effect on making you beta, but if you're testosterone is high enough you will still be alpha, regardless of how much people try to brainwash you. High testosterone makes you feel good, it makes you take risks, it makes you say what you think without considering the consequences, it makes you not give a fuck (i.e. it gives you a strong frame). If you're feeling horny, you just think, "I'm going out to get my dick sucked", there's no doubts in your mind, no questions, no options, you just get it sucked. I think a lot of men here have low-average testosterone levels, otherwise they wouldn't have had any problems in the first place, i.e. they wouldn't have been beta. A lot of people will disagree with this, because it's part of the whole nature/nurture debate. I side with nature, believe in personal responsibility and not making excuses.

[–]Billybob25112-1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy

There's no such thing as a natural alpha. You are the way you are because of your environment and the only difference between you and a natural alpha is that he had access to RP knowledge before you did.

[–]slay_it_forward[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That's not true. While your environment places a big role you can't tell me your biology (stature, hormones, temperament) don't also have a huge role in shaping where you are on the alpha / beta spectrum. There have been some more alpha and some more beta men throughout history. They didn't have access to TRP reddit.

[–]Billybob251121 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's not true. While your environment places a big role you can't tell me your biology (stature, hormones, temperament) don't also have a huge role in shaping where you are on the alpha / beta spectrum.

To a point and any imbalances can be corrected. Behaviour and temperament are both things you learn growing up and they can be changed.

Since when did TRP start placing so much emphasis on biological determinism? This wasn't a fact of life here before. What the fuck happened?

There have been some more alpha and some more beta men throughout history. They didn't have access to TRP reddit.

No, but they lived in a world where RP knowledge was a fact of life. A beta two hundred years ago would be an Alpha today by any account.

[–]1oldredder-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy

No. Alpha is born instinct. I am a natural alpha. Natural beta is the opposite but again instinct.

A natural alpha can never feel the need to supplicate and never feel guilt about just taking what's in his reach.

A natural beta can ONLY feel a need to supplicate. It can't be taught. It's BORN. It's like breathing.

A beta can over time pretend to be alpha but requires life-long suffering to fight his nature.

A true born alpha can't ever accept a beta way of life but if forced under threat of death will sometimes do what he's told - or sometimes turn around, risk death and try to kill his oppressors.

RP knowledge is core knowledge of all mankind but a man taught none of it will be alpha or beta by birth and do these things with not a word spoken.

[–]slay_it_forward[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would agree with this and it's also why lifting doesn't change a beta mindset. I have naturally high T (checked recently) but I always had a beta mindset and bought into the blue-pill inter-sex narrative hook line and sinker.

[–]relsanct 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

I can see that. I mean, there are men with extreme power that definitely do not lift. But they enter a room and every single person there know's who the top dog is.

I just recently started lifting, but before that, I never had any issues being the life of the party and grabbing girls. At work everyone knows to "run it by him" first. And bosses, bosses look to confide in me both personally and professionally.

Some people are just bad leaders. Just like no matter how many art books I read, I'm terrible at drawing. Sure I could practice for 10,000 hours, but I have better shit to do with my time.

Lifting does not make someone alpha, it really only helps beta->alpha progression.

[–]relsanct 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

To add to that.. how about this guy:


I know it's just a movie, but I know men who have similar frame in real life. They don't lift. Would you fuck with them? Call them beta? lol

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

didn't see the movie, have no idea

[–]Billybob251122 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

The only biological marker of "alphaness" is testosterone. Everything else is learned. Your post reeks of ego inflation.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

No. All males have testosterone and even a beta can have as much as an alpha. The neural wiring that makes a man want to lead, need to be in control of a group, have a need for many women instead of attachment to just 1, refuse to supplicate in any way to a woman - all this is hard-wired. It isn't taught.

[–]Billybob251120 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Neural wiring doesn't account for stark behavioural shifts among males given hormone manipulation.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

It does, in fact: hormones change the sensitivity of response of all the neurons they're exposed to.

[–]Billybob25112-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Which goes against your claim that neural wiring determines an Alpha as opposed to hormones.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

it doesn't: neural wiring moves and changes sensitivity at each node, changing the entire network, with exposure to various chemicals including hormones, which means it's hard-wired neural wiring. In this case the wiring will be set by hormones in the fetus and will stay that way after birth. Alpha for life, beta for life.

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