Will women and men ever see eye to eye on this - not having sex immediately even though she has before

OutOfOranges · 2019-11-29T20:02:06+00:00

OP you need to edit this to be more coherent as to what view exactly you want changed since your title and post body don't match.

NigroqueSimillima · 2019-11-29T20:45:49+00:00

Yes, women wish they could tell men about their past sexual exploits without them losing attraction, just like men wish they could tell women about their insecurities without them losing attraction.

But that's not how the world works, especially when in the early states of dating, both sides should be putting up a front. Part of having good social skills, is what you don't say moreso than what you say.

Girls should feel lucky, as a man I wish good game was as easy as not mentioning getting railed at a kegger in college.

darksoldierk · 2019-11-30T00:59:03+00:00

Becky always insists on paying her share

Lols. You think insisting on paying means anything. Every woman I have spoken with has told me straight up "yeah, I insist on paying, but if he actually lets me pay, even if it's just for me, there won't be a next date"

WHEN I HEAR GUYS TALK ABOUT SEX BEING A BODY SACRIFICE WE GIVE UP TO MEN, AND COMPARE WOMEN TO USED CARS BECAUSE SHE HAD CASUAL SEX BEFORE AND HE HAS TAKEN HER OUT ON DATES...THIS IS HOW STUPID YOU ALL SOUND TO ME.

I have yet to hear any guy ever say anything about sex being a "body sacrifice". Let me put it this way. Lets say a girl you know is dating this guy. You aren't friends with this girl, at all, just an acquaintance. Every time you talk to this girl, she tells you how great this guy is, how romantic he is, how he does things for her like surprise her with a candle lit home-cooked dinner, or how he plans romantic vacations. You meet up with them for dinner or whatever a few times, and you notice how affectionate he is towards her. You could just tell from his body language that he loves her, or, at the very least, respects her.

And you sit there thinking "wow, what a great guy, I wish I could find a guy like that!".

Then one day, you see that girl sitting and having dinner with that guy, they see you and wave you over encouraging you to join them. You go and sit down with them, and somehow it comes up that they decided that their relationship wasn't going to work. Say, she's decided to move oversees, and he couldn't move, so they decided to break up. A few weeks later, she's gone oversees, but, again, you see him somewhere, and you both talk for a bit.You hit it off. You get along famously, have similar goals, values, compatible interests, are physically attracted to each other, and genuinely enjoy one another's company. So, you start dating.A year later, you notice that this guy doesn't do anything for you that he did for his previous girlfriend. He's never surprised you with anything, never really did anything unexpected. So you decide to have a conversation with him. He tells you, "yeah, I did that stuff for my previous girlfriend, but with you, I feel like we have a deeper connection. A better relationship. A relationship filled with so much love and care that I don't feel the need to do that stuff. I know you love me for me, and that you know that I love you for you, so I don't feel the need to do stuff like that. For her, I wanted to do that stuff because she was special to me, you are also very special to me, more special to me than she was, but in a different way. With her, I noticed that the more of that stuff I did, the more willing she was to have sex, and do more exotic things during sex. With you, I'm contempt with our sex life, so I don't feel like I need to do those things. I'm also past the point in my life when I want sex that frequently, I just want a deep relationship, like the one we have. ".

So you sit there and realize, you DO love him for him, and you DO know that the loves you for you. You realize that he's right, you DON'T need all that stuff, but, man, would it ever be nice for him to treat you like that and make you feel special in that way every once in a while.

If you think that you, or any woman alive, wouldn't be upset in this scenario, then you are delusional. If you think that relationship wouldn't end, or at least, change, then you are delusional.

That's how it is with guys. Becky had sex with other guys pretty quickly, much quicker than with brad. Yeah, she might be more interested in him then those other guys for a relationship, she may have "matured" and moved past those things, but that's not the point. The point is that he isn't as interesting to her in that way as those other guys were. If he was, she wouldn't make him wait, just like she didn't make the other guys wait. So yeah, he's special to her, but in a different way.

See, the thing is that women don't understand why sex is so important to men. And I keep trying to explain it. Men don't have inherent value. We aren't valuable to anyone. No one cares about us. No one. That's why men are more likely to get a more severe punishment than women for the same crime. That's why society doesn't care about men's right to choose to be a father, and why paternity fraud is the only type of fraud in the world that does not carry judicial consequences. It's why a woman screaming for help is more likely to receive it than men. It's why there's more public services to deal with depression in women despite the fact that more men commit suicide annually than women. It's why more public funding goes towards research for treatment for breast cancer than prostate cancer. Society. doesn't. care. about. men. Men have to prove their value to others. And sex is a physical representation of that. So is money. That's why men often negotiate for higher salaries, because they prove they are worth that higher salary. These things are somebody showing you that they value you. That you mean something, even if it's just for 1 night, even if it's just to get off.

Becky wanting a long term relationship with brad doesn't show brad that he's worth anything. From Becky's point of view, Brad may very well be more valuable to her than any man she had ever met, but from Brad's point of view, he's just another guy going out on dates with Becky except he's getting less from Becky then the other guys who dated her got. If she made every guy she ever dated wait as long as she made Brad wait, then that's a different story. A woman wanting a relationship with a man doesn't show a man that he is valuable to her or to anyone. Intent has no value. I could sit there and say "I intended to go to africa and help out hungry kids", but that intent means jack shit when I'm sitting her in my warm condo eating a turkey while buying $500 earpods. I may want a relationship with that girl at the bar, but if I don't go up and ask her out, then I'm not showing that she has any value to me.

HarassMyAnger · 2019-11-29T19:28:48+00:00

I think part of the issue is that a womancan always be assumed to be lying about their sexual past, so when Becky says something like that the guy assumes the worst.

Also obligitory you're getting mad at your own made up scenario.

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2019-11-29T19:22:05+00:00

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jcolls69 · 2019-11-29T22:06:01+00:00

This scenario is based off of an absurd reaction by the man in this situation. I have been in a similar situation and so have many of my friends. Not once have I had or heard any stories of someone getting unreasonably angry at a girl for turning him down in this way. A level headed man would simply acknowledge that she feels uncomfortable having sex at the time and make the decision to either give her more time or stop seeing her. Also I would assume all men realize that practically all women have had casual sex previously, and if this man is looking for a relationship and feels the woman he is interested is as well it should be a comfort to him to find she doesn’t want to have sex after a couple of dates. The type of man who gets irrationally angry over something like this is the type who thinks women are possessions and will never find a woman that can truly be a partner and not just someone they order around and put their dick in.

RLskeleton · 2019-11-29T21:38:15+00:00

In short, yes, but it takes understanding on both sides. My girlfriend of six years and I met after she had just gone through a nasty breakup. We really liked each other, but I understood it would be weird for her to jump into bed with me after just getting out of a LTR. I think it took a little over a month for her to be ready, and the rest was history.

On the other side, she knew I was hungry for her, and made it very clear she understood my position and she wasn’t stringing me along arbitrarily.

In the end it took patience and understanding on both sides. It wasn’t about men vs women, it was about us being on the same page as people. We knew we wanted to be a team after the first time, and we have been a team ever since.

xXxINCELFAGGOTxXx · 2019-11-30T05:46:33+00:00

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2019-11-29T19:16:50+00:00

Brad is in prime position to do a lil' alpha widowing. She's shown her hand, Brad knows the deal... Brad should hold out a little longer, keep the dates cheap, show interest but not too much. She'll play her trump card (suck and fuck) to keep Brad interested.

Competing mating strategies are a game, and a fun one at that. She's executed on her hypergamy and is sliding into the BB/security phase of her dual sexual strategy. If only Brad knew... She's proven herself to be a pump and dump twice before, why not go for the trifecta? ;)

trueorfalsedmitry · 2019-11-29T19:28:00+00:00

This is a good gedanken experiment right up until:

she did have a few casual NSA encounters, but they left her feeling empty, and she ties sex and emotion closely together, so it wasn't for her.

This explanation fits perfectly into the narrative. However, it is a lie no matter how it is presented. If she actually does "ties sex and emotion closely together," she wouldn't have been having casual sex ever. If, rather, she means that she now, "ties sex and emotion closely together," she's just lying under the guise of "changing her priorities." (to be clear: This is horseshit and never really happens to anyone with respect to their sexual preferences.)

If she can hold out now when she didn't for other men, Becky does not find Brad genuinely attractive, no matter her protestations.

satanic_hamster · 2019-11-29T21:04:28+00:00

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cxj · 2019-11-29T23:49:18+00:00

Your girls past sounds ideal to me, and like my current gf. I want her to have learned her lesson with like 1-2 experiences she expresses genuine regret over, that way she may be less likely to do it again in the future .

The key here is that it’s 1-2 of such casual experiences, not 5, 10, 100+

diffdedbed · 2019-11-29T19:19:14+00:00

Becky is an idiot and should have kept her mouth shut.

See Becky can do what she wants by saying "Hey I used to be slutty and I know you are horny but lets wait because I don't want to be slutty anymore", which is fine but Becky doesn't understand men. Becky is thinking of Brad like another chick she talks to, where testosterone isn't a thing and "You go girl" is going to be the response to any idea which sounds "empowering".

Becky needs to bring Brad in, get him hooked first on her, and only under circumstances which I can't think of but perhaps exist should Becky even hint at her slutty past.

bonusfruit · 2019-11-29T19:36:38+00:00

More fuel for the fuckboi fire. There is no reason and no reward for being good to women. Do your best to be dominant, masculine and dismissive to women. They will reward you with sex and affection only as long as you maintain the persona and never give into the temptation to love them back. They will punish foolish, earnest men with blue balls and never understand how clownish their behavior is. Don't try to change women. Don't argue with them. Don't try to make sense of it. Don't try to get them to see your side of it. Don't expect fairness or reason from women. Just adapt and get what you can out of the world as it is

chomponthebit · 2019-11-30T06:59:40+00:00

Becky wants to sell her car to Brad.

Brad thinks the car looks good but, familiar with the term “buyer beware”, he asks, “Has it been in any accidents? How many people have driven it?”

“I let a few people drive it on short road trips. And yeah, those boys got it in a few accidents,” responds Becky.

“Well, let’s see how she handles and take it for a test drive,” says Brad.

“Oh no,” says Becky, “I’m super cautious now about letting anyone else drive my car since those other guys smashed it. You have to buy it before you try it.”

And then Becky went and bitched to Purple Pill about why Brad wouldn’t buy her wreckage

HazelMania · 2019-11-30T13:09:15+00:00

I love this post. It's paranoia, constantly comparing yourself with your partner's exes and blaming your partner for your own insecurities.

Grek27 · 2019-11-30T18:10:46+00:00

There was a chick who wrote on her dating profile she "wanted to develop a relationship the right way for once and take things slow". I had a good laugh and passed.

There is no such thing as being a reformed ho, you just a ho.

nonbog · 2019-11-29T20:40:29+00:00

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eboy4hire · 2019-11-30T02:12:36+00:00

It's just a question of honesty on a woman's part that the guy has. If there was a way to verify you're telling the truth about your reasoning behind taking things slow, then I think most men would not have a problem with it. If it's actually the case that you're holding back sex because I'm not as sexually attractive as the partners you gave it up to quickly in the past, then we're gonna have a problem.

It's also a matter of allegiance. We want you to be on our side before any other man. The worst thing about cheating is that you're probably being more truly yourself with your affair partner, while you think us to be a sucker. A man doesn't want to be a romantic loving sucker.

One last thing about holding back is that it suggests that you don't trust us to not take advantage of you, which means you're not totally on our side yet, which means you're probably evaluating us with your girl friends, which means that right now, we aren't on an allegiance level.

soaghettidarkness · 2019-11-30T05:43:25+00:00

Brad is a dumb ass,he almost had her and then could have dumped her. Brad is dumb for just dating Becky. Brad could sleep around with other girls while becky makes him wait for it.

dmoneycrowgod · 2019-11-30T07:11:35+00:00

A girl i once dated for like a month had actually brought a guy she had casual sex with on a group dinner gathering, saying he was just a friend. I had pieced it together later, but yea. Girls will absolutely bring those guys around, and even if she didnt, it’s still the principle

Kos_-_Omak · 2019-11-30T07:35:13+00:00

first of all, i'm not going to read your long ass story.

if you want to be slutty and fuck a million dudes, go for it. it's your life and your pussy use it however you want to use it.

but you need to realize that actions have consequences. it's clearly hypocritical, delusionally self-centered, and honestly kinda retarded to live your life as a huge slut then expect men to treat you as anything else.

DubsPackage · 2019-11-30T08:20:09+00:00

If you do it once and say "it's not for me" ok.

If you do it for your entire 20's then at 30 you decide to change your strategy.

That's not "it's not for me."

It clearly IS for you, but the strategy changed.

In your 20's the objective was "good feels, easy lifestyle, easy money."

In your 30's the objective is "find a provder to settle down before my SMV depreciates any further."

Which all boils down to :

"Whatever is good for me at any given moment, with no regard to men, their feelings or interests."

PM_Happy_Puppy_Pics · 2019-11-30T09:17:24+00:00

I am a dude. I don't give one shit what happened before you met me. I just want to be treated right by you. Why is that so hard to understand?

Whereitatson · 2019-11-30T13:24:04+00:00

WHEN I HEAR GUYS TALK ABOUT SEX BEING A BODY SACRIFICE WE GIVE UP TO MEN

It's not a 'sacrifice' but sex is something 100% given from a woman to a man.

iLiveInAHologram94 · 2019-11-30T18:58:27+00:00

Yes. All men and all women? Probably not. But in the right situation with the right people yes.

I’m not a virgin and am seeing a guy now for the last nearly month and we haven’t had sex yet. We both have come to realize that sex means something to both of us and don’t want to rush into it until we are exclusively seeing each other. He actually brought that up first and I’ve agreed and we’ve maintained that. It’s both very clear to both of us that we very much want each other so that’s not a doubt in his mind.

I’m hoping this coming week things will change.

Dora_Bowl · 2019-11-29T19:05:14+00:00

You made up a fictional story to get outraged at? You have to remember that these men comparing women to used cars or whatever else are just almost all talk.

v1cgt · 2019-11-29T22:39:57+00:00

Personally I find it annoying if a girls slept.with guys on first dates but not with me cause what we got is " different ". Fk that I'm not a plan b

rizzyraech · 2019-11-29T20:46:52+00:00

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understatedalways · 2019-11-29T20:41:43+00:00

this is so dumb.

when a girl says she's making you wait, she's full of shit. full stop period. (unless she's been like that with EVERY SINGLE OTHER GUY, which these days is 1/1,000,000).

i mean she believes it of course.

but what that really means is "i don't have enough raw attraction to you to break my rules for you" which as a guy means you should leave because you're better off spending your time on a girl who's more into you.

as guys we try to understand the underlying causes and dynamics going on behind their actions while a girl just experiences it as a feeling.

TRP has realised that when a woman is making you wait, when she DIDN'T make some other guys wait. that means she doesn't view you as alpha because if she did, she'd be breaking her own rules for you. she'd be falling into your frame.

in your frame (the alpha's frame), casual sex is no biggie, so a girls views on casual sex will become "it's no biggie" when she's in your frame . so you'll know she's in your frame, cos she's following the rules of your frame.

and if she's making you wait that means she's following the rules of HER "no more casual sex" frame. and if she's still in her frame, this is a problem.

cos the successful relationship, is the one in which she comes into the mans frame. but she won't come into the mans frame unless she views him as alpha.

so in simple terms, the reason a guy will drop a girl for relationship potential if she's actively making him wait, is because it shows she's unwilling to enter his frame.

i mean i'll drop a girl even for a fuck buddy status if she's making me wait but that's more for efficient time usage. but for relationship it's even more important she doesn't make me wait more than 3 dates. if we ain't fuck on the 3rd date then it's a no go cos clearly she ain't feeling me like that.

and this all makes sense on a male brain intuition level because if she DIDN'T make others wait but DID make me wait that's literally her saying that i'm not as attractive as the others to her. and no self respecting guy wants that bullshit.

and no i don't expect 99% women to understand this because they are incapable of empathizing with the male experience much like men are incapable of empathizing with the female experience. so women will never really get why this is such a big deal. and that's ok as long as women shut the fuck up about shaming men into acting like women. seriously cut that shit out. moan about it to your GFs all you want but stop telling men to be more woman because it's ridiculous and just plain dumb.

NockerJoe · 2019-11-29T19:20:41+00:00

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CosmicBioHazard · 2019-11-29T23:48:19+00:00

I’ll throw in my two cents here, to what extent this applies to men in general, no idea.

I see sex as an act of intimacy, one that generates within the brain all those feelings of attachment, warmth, etc. It’s easily the most intimate activity.

If I absolutely had to be in a relationship with someone who had done that before, with someone else, I would lose sleep over it. The most intimate of intimate acts that I could have with her simply would not top the charts of what she’d experienced before, I’d have nothing to give her that would be ‘more’. What I could give her wouldn’t be tinged with the excitement of the first time, it wouldn’t be the only experience of it’s kind that she’d had. I’d feel like I just could never be good enough for her. I’d lose sleep.

Women, in my experience, are leagues more forgiving about a man’s past. The considerations are different, the evolutionary advantages are different (men who fuck women who are also fucking other men are less likely to impregnate her, and I can’t pretend that isn’t part of why we think this way.)

What do women focus on, that makes them think differently about this issue? You tell me, but it makes me think that insecurity in women is much less potent than we’ve been lead to believe.

Long story short, I’m interested in the reverse; what considerations are women taking into account that they’re forgiving a man’s past to a greater extent than he can forgive himself in some instances? I’m (a broken record at this point for bringing up that I’m) divorced once and having trouble forgiving myself for all those same reasons.

MrHerbSherman · 2019-11-30T01:45:47+00:00

Yeah it’s pretty lame to blow up on her for it, what you should do is just have a good time and when she leaves don’t call her again, move on to the next, find someone who’s more into you

theoracleofosiris · 2019-11-29T23:39:47+00:00

OP is triggered.

Men to some extent will always value innocence in a girl.

rus9384 · 2019-11-29T20:02:02+00:00

I am not condemning her. But if she felt acts Brad likes are degrading or something, it better for both of them if they don't escalate and break up.

RF111164 · 2019-11-30T04:45:14+00:00

Aww I was really into this story until the third paragraph and beyond ruined it :(

M4sterDis4ster · 2019-11-30T09:43:09+00:00

She is emotionally healthy, close with her family, parents still together, and she is doing things with her life.

Girls like that usually have only LTRs.

andipandey · 2019-11-30T11:09:05+00:00

If she waits over 3 dates to have sex with you she probably isn't really sexually into you. If she was she wouldn't be able to wait 3 dates.... maybe even one date (but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and allow 3).

If she experimented with casual sex and didn't like it I don't care. But if she makes me wait a long time it implies she's not really sexually attracted to me. This will not get better over time, infact it will actually get worse as she becomes more familiar with you (therefore less exciting for her).

Infrequent sex now means infrequent sex later on too (probably even less).

Not to mention just about all women are having tonnes of casual sex with tonnes of guys when single. So there's women who are riding the cock carousel and women who are lying.

Silva_Shadow · 2019-11-30T14:54:35+00:00

Mate fuck off. It's perfectly acceptable for a man to have standards and be annoyed that she gave it up for free easily for other men, but this guy she actually likes she's making wait. It's disgusting behaviour that signals to a man that she thinks you're beta and she wants to use you.

I don't know about you guys, but the more a woman makes me wait the more i make up my mind that she's pump and dump material. The girl that denies me the first date but bangs in the second, that's acceptable to me, but any longer then i know she isn't really into me for me, she's into me for herself.

imjgaltstill · 2019-11-30T17:01:48+00:00

Even when buying a used car would you prefer a car that was on the rental lot or one that sat in some little old ladies garage?

2019-11-30T23:35:26+00:00

I didn't answer because I can't relate to being an unattractive fat woman.

Also regardless of my appearance if a guy spent the first date bragging about fucking hotter chicks he would not have gotten to the second date, so the entire scenario is not plausible.

User7482848 · 2019-12-19T10:45:10+00:00

As a guy, if you had a few flings in the past then I don't care. But how would I kmow whether or not it's a few flings or a ton of guys. Online dating has thousands of guys thirsting on girls every day. How am I supposed to know if you are telling the truth? I know you might think it's not a big deal, but for someone like me I like to find that both my partner and I have mutual intentions. I don't go around sleeping with girls on one night stands, so I feel like she shouldn't either. Experimenting is one thing, but sleeping around with others consistantly is another. If a guy has a history of using women for sex, then I would COMPLETELY understand why a woman who wants a LTR would be put off by that. Which is why I, myself, treat sex and relationships very seriously and not as a game.

If Becky had casual sex with, let's say, 4 guys. Then Brad has to come to terms that she was indeed experimenting.

If Becky had casual sex with more than 10 guys, then Brad has a point in taking her seriously.

Same goes for Brad if he was a player and Becky didn't want to continue to see him for his promiscious behaviour.

Just my two cents as a 20 year male.

Nevidimka- · 2019-11-29T19:49:16+00:00

Men think 100% of the reason why women don't have sex with them as fast as some other guy is attraction. For me it had more to do with relaxation. If I'm super duper into somebody I get insecure and I don't want to ruin it and will push back the sex until I'm a little less uncomfortable and maybe throw in some extra gym sessions in there lol.

Then there's having an important work day the next day or not, how does my stomach feel, did the wine maybe hit a little too hard and am I feeling dizzy, i might be on my period or not, did I go in thinking I was going to have sex or not, oh shit I didn't prepare so I'm wearing that old Disney underwear with gaps and I haven't shaved in a week etc etc etc

FatmanSlim93 · 2019-11-29T20:25:31+00:00

This is why you talk about it before you get this far in. It’s incompatible sociosexuality. Learn to sort better and not date outside your range.

NagyonNagy · 2019-11-29T22:37:20+00:00

I am a religious person. If you have casual sex you are an immoral individual according to my standards. End of story. Your rant is unjustified.

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Jimmy_Cosmo · 2019-11-29T19:24:42+00:00

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decoy88 · 2019-11-29T21:59:06+00:00

Becky is fine because she does not engage in casual sex anymore. She realised it wasn’t for her (makes her feel empty), so she stopped completely.

BUT

The issue is really when women implement a different “strategy” between the men they fuck and they date. If they are like that, they need to figure out their values.

Either sex is important and significant, or it is not important

Sex cannot be “important only sometimes when I really like them”. Because people value consistency as proof of authentic and genuine character.

Learning from mistakes is fine. But if a woman holds out on sex to “confirm commitment this time” is planning a manipulation to retain some kind of abstract upper hand, when other situations she was perfectly comfortable to risk a guy catching feels for her.

And at the end of the day. Becky would feel like shit if the situation was reversed. Brad fucked all these women right away but suddenly wants to wait with her? Is she ugly? Does she smell? The same exact thoughts run through her mind as would Brads

MikepGrey · 2019-11-30T00:23:59+00:00

if a womans not into sex with her partner, then I am not into her as she is clearly not into me. Relationships build as follows

text

call

video

face to face

physical contact

fantasy and physical contact

kids

If we are not moving twards the culmination of a relationship which is "lets have a family and stick together" your just wasting my time, and since this process takes 5 years to safely complete I don't have time to waste.

lestratege · 2019-11-30T00:59:30+00:00

The past is indication of the future. Your story is all cute but not surprisingly one sided and caricature the thought process of the man.

If she's had lots of casual sex, she will likely be unable to go through a committed relationship. She will seek tingles and will monkey branch at first sight, no matter how she feels now. She says it's perfect now but her she will say the same thing with the next guy.

So this girl is just not made for a LTR. But it's okay for casual sex, but she refuses. Hence the annoyance.

Your mistake is to assume that she is still LTR material after having ridden the CC. She's not. This ship has sailed. Women know it themselves, that's why they lie on their n-count.

Hence the male faces two successive disappointments: 1. She's not LTR material 2. he is not casual sex material.

They are independent things.

wtknight · 2019-11-30T01:05:38+00:00

It's pathetic and beta to be mad at a girl because she has had casual sex in the past and has decided it's not for her.

That’s why I would give a pass on a woman who tried it once and decided it wasn’t for her. If she had casual sex more than once though then it shows she enjoyed it, and I’m not into casual sex or women who enjoy casual sex. There are plenty of women out there who don’t enjoy it.

RRBeachFG2 · 2019-11-30T01:49:43+00:00

The woman anger phase is here

Willow-girl · 2019-11-30T03:27:23+00:00

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Workaholiconew · 2019-11-29T20:38:33+00:00

Lack Tl:dr

Popeman79 · 2019-11-30T11:22:58+00:00

I propose this solution: Becky tells Brad that although she has had casual encounters in the past, she's not ready for sex with him yet.

However, she tells him she knows how sex is important for men, and she wants him to feel that she's not witholding it as a weapon, so she offers to go back to her place and give him a handjob and/or blowjob.

That way he knows that she values his sexual happiness. And she doesn't have to take her clothes off, and has time to ease into actual sex.

Title	Will women and men ever see eye to eye on this - not having sex immediately even though she has before
Author	katymarx
Upvotes	80
Comments	474
Date	November 29, 2019 7:03 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/e3j4dz/will_women_and_men_ever_see_eye_to_eye_on_this/
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